Next years vintage vehicle update from Hasbro guesses?

[Starfighter]

At the panel, Hasbro touted a major update to a vintage vehicle in 25th style would be coming. What do you think it will be?
Dragonfly
A.P.C.
Night Raven
Other

[CobraCrimson]

Pogo Ballistic Ball or Buzz Boar

[Zarana]

Swamp Masher!

[CobraCrimson]

Killer Whale!!!!! Please!!!!!

[KrymsynGardImmoral]

Tomahawk.

[RolandofGilead]

Thunder Machine. If for no other reason than that I went though the trouble of obtaining one for my modern Drednoks.

[ero]

Wow, I appreciate the option for "other," but you sure did leave off a few very tangible options.

Tomahawk, Whale and Hydrofoil being three very realistic possibilities.

But, I hadn't even thought of the dragonfly as a possibility. That's a good one. I could almost put money down on it being this one. If it does come out, I hope they forgo giving us Wild Bill. I know nobody likes the 25th version, but he's fine for piloting a vehicle. I'd like to see them give us another needed character instead. Maybe a Sunbow Flint or something.

Either way, I've had a back up comic pack Wild Bill just waiting for it.

Thunder Machine. If for no other reason than that I went though the trouble of obtaining one for my modern Drednoks.

Ha, yeah. Murphy's Law and whatnot.

[Trazz]

Tomahawk, please, please, please, Tomahawk

[Kwobubba]

how bout a rolling thunder. thatd be flippin sweet

[kneroh]

mole pod

[ChaplainAsst]

Mamba.

[Xenos]

I'd really like to see a Tomahawk, but instead of making a faithful reproduction of the original, I'd like to see them make a PoC Tomahawk. Basically make something that when you see it you know immediately that it is a Tomahawk, but is ramped up. Just as long as it isn't tiny.

[Lantern_Lad]

I'm going with the Thunder Machine... I don't think they would go "big" with the Rolling Thunder, Tomahawk or WHALE. I could be wrong, of course, but I just don't see them committing to something that big.

[ero]

I'm really starting to think it will be the Dragonfly. Has to be something they can repaint if it's in the vein of the new Skystriker, which we all know will be a Night Boomer at some point (and has already been an SDCC exclusive).

Edit: And my vote for pilot is a Sunbow Airborne!

[Saboteur]

Whale

[bassistcarlos]

I voted APC, because it's my all time favorite joe vehicle. I played with that thing until a wheel fell off; literally. A dragonhawk would be cool too, but there has to be a way of getting large numbers of joes from place to place. The APC carries at least 2x as much as a tomahawk or whale; although those would be nice too.

[alcoholic ewok]

Mauler...

[Snow Wolf]

Tomahawk baby!!

[Cdt Weasel]

The joes could really use a new road toad.

[manic mailman]

I hope it's a whale
Thunder muchine would be cool too

[luigi]

I voted APC, because it's my all time favorite joe vehicle. I played with that thing until a wheel fell off; literall

that happened to me too
i tried to glue it
didn't work
ended up breaking off the bit on left on the axle and made a hole in the middle of the wheel and the glued it again still holding right now

[WVMojo]

I'm guessing updated Rattler...

[Nightrain]

AWE Striker.

[CrimsonGuard101]

It will be something we alreayd have gotten...I am going with Hiss V1 repaint lol.....or 25th Vamp repaint...or another ROC Helo...ya know all the joe vehicles that Hasbro has written off and isn't making anymore?

[sbartek1974]

I would have to say Stun. Didn't they already update those for the Python Patrol or something recently?

[sbartek1974]

AWE Striker.

Don't we already have that in the Retaliation line?

[cobracobra]

Ninja Cycle please.

[ero]

Don't we already have that in the Retaliation line?

He was making a funny.

Hey, let's try to be a little optimistic, guys.

The VAMP was retooled, right? I would love to see a VAMP Mark II in Sunbow colors, but I don't think that has the same splash they're likely going for.

[wertdog91]

mole pod

Ha!

[sbartek1974]

He was making a funny.

Hey, let's try to be a little optimistic, guys.

The VAMP was retooled, right? I would love to see a VAMP Mark II in Sunbow colors, but I don't think that has the same splash they're likely going for.

Yeah, I know. I was playing along, kinda.

[Scotty97]

I would lean towards a real classic, like the WHALE, Tomahawk or maybe even the Mauler since we know they had recently attempted to retool some of the molds but found it too pricey at the time. A Dragonfly would be cool, but you know they'd make it into a one-seater like the Skystriker.

[switchback]

doubt it will be anything big so I'm guessing TTT

[Dragasses]

if it's not the whale I will throw myself down a well.

maybe not. they're just toys after all.

[kneroh]

if it's not the whale I will throw myself down a well.

maybe not. they're just toys after all.

You have a cabin boy sig. No matter what you say I will agree with.

[Dragasses]

You have a cabin boy sig. No matter what you say I will agree with.
and that's why we're best friends.

[Nightrain]

Hey, let's try to be a little optimistic, guys.

Well, I am optimistic that after it's revealed to be the AWE Striker, at least it will be canceled.

[blackman2005]

WHALE!!!

Simply because Hasbro has barely scraped the surface with the water themed vehicles over the last five years.

[paraviper]

Well if we go by clues the Hasbro team has given to us in past Q&A sessions I'd bet we see an updated Dragonfly. If it's not the Dragonfly. It'll be the Warthog with Sgt. Slaughter (Warthog version) While I'd love to see a Tomahawk or Killer Whale updated. I just don't see them offering those yet.

[blackman2005]

I forgot:
http://www.yojoe.com/vehicles/88/phantom/phantom_box.jpg

I wish this more than anything else.....

[Crimson Rage]

The Dragonfly... oh please, the Dragonfly. The original has so many design flaws that need beefing up (skids, chin turret, canopy hinge)... address those, add a bit of interior detail and it would be awesome.

But please, NO not the APC.. damn that thing is so boring....

[cmax75]

I'm guessing the Dragonfly too.

But if it's land-based, I'm guessing the H.A.V.O.C.

[sbartek1974]

I forgot:
http://www.yojoe.com/vehicles/88/phantom/phantom_box.jpg

I wish this more than anything else.....

And it would be nice if it was a two seater.

[zx670]

Hammerhead?

A boy can dream, can't he?

[Superion]

Am I the first to say it...

Flagg

lol

[Jmacq1]

It's going to be something that will fit in one of the two current vehicle pricepoints/packaging for the Retaliation line. So it won't be a WHALE, Tomahawk, Mamba, or anything particularly "Big."

My realistic guess? A simple tan repaint of the Ninja Combat Cruiser representing the Vamp Mk. II.

My optimistic guess? You MIGHT be able to squeeze a Dragonfly into the Bravo vehicle box if you were creative. Thunder Machine? A distant possibility, and would fit into the Bravo box, but given that Dreadnoks have basically become "exclusive" material rather than "main retail line" material, I wouldn't count on it.

My "disappointing" guess?: Slightly retooled Snarler Cycle as the Silver Mirage.

Another offhand guess: The Devil Fish as an Alpha Vehicle.

If they were more clever than we give them credit for: An updated/modern Despoiler

[CrimsonGuard101]

And it would be nice if it was a two seater.

it is already a 2 seater, but knowing Hasbro it would get micro-sized and then made into a 1 seater lol...i got one of these off ebay for 99 bucks. Mint conditon...never had the stickers applied. I can't wait to put cobrastickers stickers on that bad boy...project for this weekend weeee

[sbartek1974]

it is already a 2 seater, but knowing Hasbro it would get micro-sized and then made into a 1 seater lol...i got one of these off ebay for 99 bucks. Mint conditon...never had the stickers applied. I can't wait to put cobrastickers stickers on that bad boy...project for this weekend weeee

So was the original Skystriker but they made that one a one-seater for the 30th version. I was basically saying the if they do the Phantom they need to keep it as a two-seater.

[Steevy Maximus]

I'm still placing my bets on a Skystriker repaint.

If we're lucky, maybe something in the Bravo size like the Devilfish or PoC vamp repaint.

[Ford]

I'd hope that it's a Wolverine. But I fear it's a H.A.V.O.C.

[CrimsonGuard101]

I'm still placing my bets on a Skystriker repaint.

If we're lucky, maybe something in the Bravo size like the Devilfish or PoC vamp repaint.

Devilfish repaint would be cool for the free vehicle...could do it up in Nightforce colors (cant think of a better theme for it they could be using for next year, Nightforce has a lot of goodies and easy repaints/kit-bashes). However the Skystriker for the club would be insanely expensive...it would be limited to like 200 units at $300 each at the con store lol....

[PhantomStranger]

As much as I would love to see an updated Dragonfly or Tomahawk, I think the vehicle will be a tank of some sort.

Hasbro was already planing a straight up repaint of the Mauler for ROC, perhaps a re-tool/update isn't too far off. It actually would make sense given how Cobra keeps getting Hiss tanks and Joes have had jack for I don't know how many years.

[poddie]

I really wish it was a Whale... but I don't hold out much hope for that. :(

I would enjoy a VAMP Mark II though.

[Python_Puckman]

I'll keep saying it until they do it... ASP!!!

[Jinx723]

Looking back at what we've gotten in the past five years, I am going to say it's the Dragonfly.

We got the Snow Cat, Ferret, Rattler, VAMP and Water Moccasin in the 25th/ME line. Which all are part of the ARAH Tiger Force. The Dragonfly is the only one left (and the Devilfish) from that sub group.

I really don't see Hasbro releasing a large vehicle like the WHALE Hovercraft or Tomahawk. Then again I wasn't expecting the Sky Striker last summer. Also how well did the Sky Striker sell (before clearance)?

[Xenos]

It's going to be something that will fit in one of the two current vehicle pricepoints/packaging for the Retaliation line. So it won't be a WHALE, Tomahawk, Mamba, or anything particularly "Big."

My realistic guess? A simple tan repaint of the Ninja Combat Cruiser representing the Vamp Mk. II.

My optimistic guess? You MIGHT be able to squeeze a Dragonfly into the Bravo vehicle box if you were creative. Thunder Machine? A distant possibility, and would fit into the Bravo box, but given that Dreadnoks have basically become "exclusive" material rather than "main retail line" material, I wouldn't count on it.

My "disappointing" guess?: Slightly retooled Snarler Cycle as the Silver Mirage.

Another offhand guess: The Devil Fish as an Alpha Vehicle.

If they were more clever than we give them credit for: An updated/modern Despoiler
I don't think it HAS to be in one of the current vehicle classes. I remember last December when Kokomo Toys got their first solicitations for Retaliation stuff that there was an Echo class vehicle in there. Maybe it was originally supposed to come out this Christmas, but with the move of the movie, they had to push it back.

Also, I doubt that they would tell people to be on the lookout for a classic vehicle if it was just an Alpha level vehicle coming out, or if it was just a repaint. I think that the Dragonfly is a good guess though.

[CobraOfficer999]

APC, PAC RATS, or Mole Pod.

[Steevy Maximus]

Devilfish repaint would be cool for the free vehicle...could do it up in Nightforce colors (cant think of a better theme for it they could be using for next year, Nightforce has a lot of goodies and easy repaints/kit-bashes). However the Skystriker for the club would be insanely expensive...it would be limited to like 200 units at $300 each at the con store lol....

Why are you talking about club stuff?

[firefox91]

Tomahawk.

I agree with you Cat Man. The Tomahawk is as major as it could get IMO.

[sithewok]

I'll keep saying it until they do it... ASP!!!

I'm hoping against hope for a whale, but an asp would be a very cool update...

[Nightrain]

Am I the only one that would rather have a new vehicle?

[sithewok]

Am I the only one that would rather have a new vehicle?

If it was the coyote or aliens style apc shown at Joecon, I would be with you. I'd prefer either of those to a remake.

[bassistcarlos]

Am I the only one that would rather have a new vehicle?

I wouldn't mind some new blood in the line; but there will never be a shortage of demand for what once was.

[ero]

Am I the only one that would rather have a new vehicle?

I don't think it has to be one or the other.

[sbwy80]

I went with other. You never know what Hasbro will give us. It will either be something we all love or we all hate.

[Sean_C]

A tomahawk or Mauler would be great.

What would be cool is they totally redid the MOBAT as a real vehicle, larger size with opening hatches, etc...no motorized action...but working treads.

I'd be happy if they stuck the recent Stinger in the bravo assortment.

[Waxy]

The Tomahawk or Whale would get my vote, though I'd be happy with another Whilrwind w/ Range Viper set.

[Scoop]

I think we might be getting a repaint of this canceled Mauler hopefully in its original ARAH colors...

http://www.hisstank.com/database/attach/4/2/0/1/1/Rise-Of-Cobra-Mauler_1309912814.jpg

[dgnr82]

I think we might be getting a repaint of this canceled Mauler hopefully in its original ARAH colors...

http://www.hisstank.com/database/attach/4/2/0/1/1/Rise-Of-Cobra-Mauler_1309912814.jpg

I tend to agree,...although I could see a Moray, or Havoc.

[SteelersMobat]

Cobra Battle Barge? Anyone?

[SteelersMobat]

Seriously though, I hope it is the Wolverine, or Equalizer.

[Viperscout 7]

I thought they couldn't re-do the Mauler cause one of the molds is broken? But if they were re-tooling it to accommodate 25th that would be cool.
but i'm thinking re-using POC Vamp as a stinger

[Black Rose]

I think it will be between:

Dragonfly Probably this one due to size

Mauler My vote for runner up

Whale To Big!

Tomahawk To Big!

Hydrafoil Maybe, but I'm still thinking to big!

NightRaven To Big!

[will_winkie]

i bet we've seen the last of the vintage vehicle remakes for a while.

[Headman]

Septic Tank

[Owner of a Lonely B.A.T.]

I've been HOPING Whale for awhile now, but expecting the Moray...they have the mold and used it 2005 so to me at least that seems like the most cost effective re-release maybe redesign the launcher (which at times was a little tweeky) remold the rear floor boards, toss in a better set of rear guns maybe even a better depth charge systems and its really good to go again...HOPEFULLY add in the Lamprey again BUT if its a better price point I can live without another since they gave us the DoCI pack and the ROC Aqua Viper Officer already...BUT adding a Hydro Viper would be a complete sold for me.

[Shin Densetsu]

Tomahawk.

I'm beginning to think and HOPE that's what it is..especially since I broke my old one way back in the day..by mutilating the rotors.

I've been HOPING Whale for awhile now, but expecting the Moray...they have the mold and used it 2005 so to me at least that seems like the most cost effective re-release maybe redesign the launcher (which at times was a little tweeky) remold the rear floor boards, toss in a better set of rear guns maybe even a better depth charge systems and its really good to go again...HOPEFULLY add in the Lamprey again BUT if its a better price point I can live without another since they gave us the DoCI pack and the ROC Aqua Viper Officer already...BUT adding a Hydro Viper would be a complete sold for me.

I usually don't say this about Hasbro product because even if the toy overall isn't to my liking the quality control is usually good but in this case, the 2005 Moray was garbage. It is no wonder to me why that thing was on clearance, the quality was atrocious at best and if Hasbro were to make another, I hope they increase the tolerances all around and make that thing sturdy and work right.

[Iron Guru]

I'm going with the Hovercraft, but I wouldn't scoff at a Tomahawk or Moray either.

[CrimsonGuard101]

Why are you talking about club stuff?

fixated on it and since hasbro does make the con stuff too it isnt too far off base..all be it offbase...i wasnt thinking of it as a general release since well get retaliation stuff vs. anything ARAH like we been discussing so club would be more inclined to do it then Hasbro on thier own.

[alcinde4]

mole pod

Unacceptable.

[Ruin]

At the panel, Hasbro touted a major update to a vintage vehicle in 25th style would be coming. What do you think it will be?
Dragonfly
A.P.C.
Night Raven
Other

that's too small a pet list to warrant a poll, I think.

What did they mean by that? Does that mean they are going to re-release an old mold for ME joes, or are they going to reinvent a model like they did with the VAMP?

[Un_Chakal]

Cobra BUGG

[paraviper]

The Warthog with 87 version of Sgt. Slaughter. Dragonfly,Mauler, Night Boomer or Devil Fish all have a great chance.

[paraviper]

Cobra BUGG

To be honest I'd love to see them revisit the hiss two from 1989. Either that or the DTC Hiss with some upgrades. The Bugg was neat because it held tons of figures and had great play features. Although the colors on that thing were way over the top. Cobra always had smaller vehicles. The Joe's had the Rolling Thunder and all kinds of other large kick ass vehicles.

[wormser]

Bugg

[fireflyguy]

Whatever it is, I'm sure peoole will say they'll buy it but then wait for it to go on clearance.

Personally, I'd like to see a Tomahawk or whale.

[Steelgrave]

Um....yeah, we're talking about Hasbro here, so I'm gonna have to go with the Water Moccasin or AWE Striker.

[super curry max]

Shark to accommodate 2 passengers.

[Starfighter]

that's too small a pet list to warrant a poll, I think.

What did they mean by that? Does that mean they are going to re-release an old mold for ME joes, or are they going to reinvent a model like they did with the VAMP?

How is this list too small? We have a lot of the old stuff already updated to fit the ME figures. They said that this will be an old vehicle that will be released much like the Skystriker and that it will be a main prominent vehicle. Not a reinvention. We have the VAMP and RoC Nigh Raven for that.

Here is a list of of the vehicles that we need (not including Large Playsets, Small Vehicles, Battlefield Accessories or Battle Stations) by year. We will most likely get one on these 35 vehicles below, but which one?

1982 H.A.L., J.U.M.P. & Joe M.M.S.
1983 A.P.C., Dragonfly [XH1], PAC RATs, Wolverine, Joe Twin Battle Gun, Falcon Glider & Viper Glider
1984 Cobra A.S.P., Killer W.H.A.L.E., M.A.N.T.A., Slugger & V.A.M.P. Mk. II
1985 Bridge Layer, Ferret A.T.V., Mauler M.B.T. Tank, Moray, Silver Mirage, C.A.T. & S.M.S.
1986 Cobra Hydro Sled, Cobra Stun, Devilfish, H.A.V.O.C., L.V.C. Recon Sled, Triple T, Tomahawk, Tundermachine, Swampfire, Dreadnok Air Assult & Dreadnok Ground Assault.

[Jmacq1]

I don't think it HAS to be in one of the current vehicle classes. I remember last December when Kokomo Toys got their first solicitations for Retaliation stuff that there was an Echo class vehicle in there. Maybe it was originally supposed to come out this Christmas, but with the move of the movie, they had to push it back.

If there were intended to be an "Echo" vehicle, they would have shown it at Toy Fair. So its' cancellation had little to do with the movie getting delayed. Plus, with the debacle surrounding the movie toys and the delay of the film, let's just say I'm HIGHLY skeptical that retailers are about to jump on board and pick up a new pricepoint/shelf space profile for a film tie-in that no longer has "summer blockbuster" buzz and already potentially burned them with an unsupported release on the wave 1 material. I would speculate they would be doubly leery about picking up said new pricepoint for a "larger" Joe vehicle when it's not even a vehicle that's in the movie. The Skystriker is still moldering on shelves in a lot of places, so it's not like we can base any speculation on the "wild success of the Skystriker." In fact its' relatively low sell-through may well be why we didn't get an "Echo" vehicle for Retaliation (along with lingering memories of the RoC Night Raven).

Also, I doubt that they would tell people to be on the lookout for a classic vehicle if it was just an Alpha level vehicle coming out, or if it was just a repaint. I think that the Dragonfly is a good guess though.

Why not? Why is a Vamp Mk. II or a Devil Fish any less valid as a "classic" vehicle than something larger? I think that's exactly the kind of move Hasbro would make, so they can still technically claim that a "new classic vehicle" has been put out for us collectors and if/when we whine about it just dismiss it as us being our usual ungrateful/whiny/entitled/impossible to please selves. Note that nowhere at all did they say it was going to be an entirely new mold, or that it was going to be "Big" in terms of size.

I'm just trying to temper peoples' expectations, because I think a lot of folks are setting themselves up for some of that aforementioned whining when it gets unveiled at Toy Fair and isn't anything particularly spectacular. I would be beyond astounded if it ended up something on the level of the Skystriker. Think more "Night Landing" or "Sky Hawk" and less "Skystriker" is all I'm saying.

[manic mailman]

the OP said hasbro said "major update" (i didnt go to the panel but let's say that's what they said...) i dont think an update to a small vehicle would warrant a "major" update tag

[Veedox]

Don't know what it will be, but I'm sure it will disappoint.

[Saboteur]

the OP said hasbro said "major update" (i didnt go to the panel but let's say that's what they said...) i dont think an update to a small vehicle would warrant a "major" update tag

The W.H.A.L.E. is now a rc water craft.

You're welcome.

[Xenos]

If there were intended to be an "Echo" vehicle, they would have shown it at Toy Fair. So its' cancellation had little to do with the movie getting delayed. Plus, with the debacle surrounding the movie toys and the delay of the film, let's just say I'm HIGHLY skeptical that retailers are about to jump on board and pick up a new pricepoint/shelf space profile for a film tie-in that no longer has "summer blockbuster" buzz and already potentially burned them with an unsupported release on the wave 1 material. I would speculate they would be doubly leery about picking up said new pricepoint for a "larger" Joe vehicle when it's not even a vehicle that's in the movie. The Skystriker is still moldering on shelves in a lot of places, so it's not like we can base any speculation on the "wild success of the Skystriker." In fact its' relatively low sell-through may well be why we didn't get an "Echo" vehicle for Retaliation (along with lingering memories of the RoC Night Raven).

I don't personally think that there will be a new vehicle class, I'm just saying that it is a possibility. Sure the Skystriker went to clearance, but none of us really know how well it did or didn't do. Maybe they had really low expectations, and they were exceeded, so they are going forward with another large vehicle. My gut feeling is that it isn't the case, but in the end we don't really know anything for sure.
If there really was a larger vehicle, if they had intended for it to be a Christmas release instead of a summer release, I don't think it would be strange for them to plan to hold it back for Joecon/SDCC.


Why not? Why is a Vamp Mk. II or a Devil Fish any less valid as a "classic" vehicle than something larger? I think that's exactly the kind of move Hasbro would make, so they can still technically claim that a "new classic vehicle" has been put out for us collectors and if/when we whine about it just dismiss it as us being our usual ungrateful/whiny/entitled/impossible to please selves. Note that nowhere at all did they say it was going to be an entirely new mold, or that it was going to be "Big" in terms of size.

I'm just trying to temper peoples' expectations, because I think a lot of folks are setting themselves up for some of that aforementioned whining when it gets unveiled at Toy Fair and isn't anything particularly spectacular. I would be beyond astounded if it ended up something on the level of the Skystriker. Think more "Night Landing" or "Sky Hawk" and less "Skystriker" is all I'm saying.
I don't have any big expectations, I'm just saying that I would find it really weird for Hasbro to say in their panel that there is a classic vehicle coming at Toyfair, if it wasn't something that the designers were really excited about. There's just no benefit to them getting people's hopes up over something that is an Alpha vehicle. If it was something small, then I could see them saying something like "at Toyfair we are going to have some classic items for you to see" not, "at toy there is going to be a classic vehicle." What they said just seems like they had something in the works that they were really excited about, and really wanted to get out to the fans. I just don't see there being any Alpha vehicle or repaint that would fit that description.

[Midnightinferno]

Everything goes to clearance. It is how a store gets rid of stock on the shelf when they change their layout. The Skystrikers were on shelves for 10 months. Plenty got restocked.
My guess is the Whale tho it will need major retooling to fit the taller figures. The Tomahawk might need more of a rebuild for the taller figures. Whatever they do make I know I will buy 1 or 2. No where close to the 13 Skystrikers I picked up to repaint tho.

[khill926]

Coastal Defender!!!! ;-D



Really, Tomahawk would be awesome.

[OreoBuilder]

I vote Mauler.

But I'll also take a Wolverine, a Dragonfly or any of the towed equipment (HAL, Whirlwind, etc).

STUN, HAVOC and Devilfish are other possibilities, but I'm not really interested in those.

Agree that the Tomahawk, Whale, Night Raven and Hydrofoil are all cool, but too big, even in a movie year.

OB

[Reverend Blood]

Weren't there images floating around of a new FLAGG that opened up like a storage case?

[steve_smmr]

Weren't there images floating around of a new FLAGG that opened up like a storage case?

yeah, but they were rudimentary, and not terribly good.

[teemu8]

Don't know what it will be, but I'm sure it will disappoint.

highly likely

[Jay West]

pogo ballistic ball or buzz boar

lol!

[Shin Densetsu]

I don't personally think that there will be a new vehicle class, I'm just saying that it is a possibility. Sure the Skystriker went to clearance, but none of us really know how well it did or didn't do. Maybe they had really low expectations, and they were exceeded, so they are going forward with another large vehicle. My gut feeling is that it isn't the case, but in the end we don't really know anything for sure.
If there really was a larger vehicle, if they had intended for it to be a Christmas release instead of a summer release, I don't think it would be strange for them to plan to hold it back for Joecon/SDCC.


I don't have any big expectations, I'm just saying that I would find it really weird for Hasbro to say in their panel that there is a classic vehicle coming at Toyfair, if it wasn't something that the designers were really excited about. There's just no benefit to them getting people's hopes up over something that is an Alpha vehicle. If it was something small, then I could see them saying something like "at Toyfair we are going to have some classic items for you to see" not, "at toy there is going to be a classic vehicle." What they said just seems like they had something in the works that they were really excited about, and really wanted to get out to the fans. I just don't see there being any Alpha vehicle or repaint that would fit that description.

Quite a number of you have said the Sky Striker failed and that it warmed shelves but in my area barely any made it to clearance(the only one I saw was repacked wtf), and while they were usually on shelves, they replenished quick because they were selling. I would keep track of the ones I saw since I got a few to customize. Not many Tiger Rats and Python Conquests went on clearance here and the Rattler was always tough to find. I did see Slipstream's Conquest on clearance more than the other 3 but even then not much.

Hell I never saw these things on clearance at TRU and there are none left at my local ones.

I don't know if a bigger vehicle was planned for Retaliation THIS YEAR but things do chaange and next year is a completely different animal. I remember in 2010 there was only ONE guy positively thinking we would even get a Skystriker and everyone else thought he was overly optimistic then Toy Fair 2011 rolled around....

What I've learned is that well, who the hell knows what we're getting? Leaks aren't as rampant, Hasbro is as tight lipped as usual and I find it fun to actually not know for sure what is coming out. However I doubt the design team would make a big fuss about s small vehicle, small vehicles are a given, if something is exciting them it's gotta be big. I don't mean FLAGG big but somewhere along the lines off the Tomahawk or WHALE is a reasonable expectation.

[paraviper]

Quite a number of you have said the Sky Striker failed and that it warmed shelves but in my area barely any made it to clearance(the only one I saw was repacked wtf), and while they were usually on shelves, they replenished quick because they were selling. I would keep track of the ones I saw since I got a few to customize. Not many Tiger Rats and Python Conquests went on clearance here and the Rattler was always tough to find. I did see Slipstream's Conquest on clearance more than the other 3 but even then not much.

Hell I never saw these things on clearance at TRU and there are none left at my local ones.

I don't know if a bigger vehicle was planned for Retaliation THIS YEAR but things do chaange and next year is a completely different animal. I remember in 2010 there was only ONE guy positively thinking we would even get a Skystriker and everyone else thought he was overly optimistic then Toy Fair 2011 rolled around....

What I've learned is that well, who the hell knows what we're getting? Leaks aren't as rampant, Hasbro is as tight lipped as usual and I find it fun to actually not know for sure what is coming out. However I doubt the design team would make a big fuss about s small vehicle, small vehicles are a given, if something is exciting them it's gotta be big. I don't mean FLAGG big but somewhere along the lines off the Tomahawk or WHALE is a reasonable expectation.

I agree with you. I'm thinking Whale,Tomahawk,Mauler or Dragonfly. As for smaller vehicles i'd love to see the Vamp MK 2,Stunn or A.S.P

[ero]

Glad this got resurrected. I'd like to see some more discussion on tangible possibilities (not wishful thinking).

[memphis01]

Whale!!!

[ero]

A Whale would be an excellent opportunity to give us a better Cutter.

[paraviper]

Glad this got resurrected. I'd like to see some more discussion on tangible possibilities (not wishful thinking).

The only other vehicle I can see them doing is maybe the Warthog with SGT. Slaughter. Although I don't know if they could get away with SGT. Slaughter at retail though. It would be a good SDCC exclusive though.

[paraviper]

A Whale would be an excellent opportunity to give us a better Cutter.

I'd love a new Whale. Although I'd be really happy with a new modern Tomahawk or Mauler.

[hellian75]

they could make sgt slaughter, but theyd have to change the name, to like maybe the sarge or something like that. Its not like they havent changed the name of charaters before for a new release of a figure.

[geekacres]

Another offhand guess: The Devil Fish as an Alpha Vehicle.


Kittenfish FTW !

Our Basement Workshop: Devilfish, Tigerfish & Kittenfish - Oh my!!! (http://dnjcustoms.blogspot.com/2010/12/devilfish-tigerfish-kittenfish-oh-my.html)

[Kaboomskie]

Good luck to us.

[Ruin]

The only other vehicle I can see them doing is maybe the Warthog with SGT. Slaughter. Although I don't know if they could get away with SGT. Slaughter at retail though. It would be a good SDCC exclusive though.

Problem is that Sergent Slaughter is not as popular as he was 20 years ago, and not only would he pegwarm, he would pegwarm while costing Hasbro royalties to Robert Remus and Vince McMahon.

Killer Whale, please.

[Life4Dreadnok]

I have no idea what the vehicle would be. Obviously there are several really cool options. However my question is, what type of quality would we get? The Skystriker in my opinion was junk. I didn't buy one and it seemed to warm the shelves in my area. At least until they went on clearance.

If we got something cool like a Whale, would it be six inches long and be constructed of shoddy plastic? Would it be something we really wanted? The same could be said for the other choices. Is Hasbro willing to go the extra mile for their products anymore? I saw the movie figures, and man they looked cheap.

I am lucky because I was a collector during the 80's heyday of Joe! I remember walking into the Joe aisle of TRU and seeing literally hundreds of figures on the pegs and vehicles stocked to the ceiling. However the product was relatively inexpensive, and extremely well made. Can Hasbro even do that anymore? And if they somehow pulled it together to put out a quality Whale, how much would it cost? $80? $120?

[triant]

my dream would be a flagg!

but I think due to zombie-mania hasbro will update some toxo-lab, bugg etc...
To be honest, I dont like this idea and I hope that I wont have right...

[crock master]

A.w.e striker. Rattler. And the r.a.m. And that's it

[fireflyguy]

I would be good with the Draginfly, the WHALE, the Tomahawk, or the APC. I just can't imagine it's going to be something big, though.

[fireflyguy]

A.w.e striker. Rattler. And the r.a.m. And that's it

Ha! I'd say AWEStriker! Of course, they already released the ninja Awe striker with the retaliation line.

[crock master]

Ha! I'd say AWEStriker! Of course, they already released the ninja Awe striker with the retaliation line.

There will be many many more to come

[Mr Hebime]

The Whale would be nice, but the price range might be higher than the Skystriker. Would love to get an updated Mobat or Mauler.

[laurenluna1977]

SDCC MU Super Heli-Carrier = (new) USS Flagg

[PrimeTarget]

Tomahawk


please please please please please please

[Saboteur]

W.H.A.L.E.


You're welcome.

[Rama Sha]

What do I think think Hasbro will do? The Dragonfly

What do I think needs it the most? The MOBAT

What do I really want? Hmmmm...that's the rub there. Because I would say Night Raven, but then I go no Moray. Then I say the WHALE. There are just so many choices and honestly I'll be happy with any of them as long as they are good as the Skystriker.

[Blaster'spunchingbagg]

Probably the havok because they can rerelease cross-country with it.

[Shin Densetsu]

What do I think think Hasbro will do? The Dragonfly

What do I think needs it the most? The MOBAT

What do I really want? Hmmmm...that's the rub there. Because I would say Night Raven, but then I go no Moray. Then I say the WHALE. There are just so many choices and honestly I'll be happy with any of them as long as they are good as the Skystriker.

Tomahawk and WHALE for me.

[vermillion21]

Tomahawk would be nice.

[Jmacq1]

the OP said hasbro said "major update" (i didnt go to the panel but let's say that's what they said...) i dont think an update to a small vehicle would warrant a "major" update tag

Except the Ninja Combat Cruiser is the largest vehicle class Hasbro currently has.

"Major" update could easily be wordplay. It isn't like Hasbro hasn't given a particular impression and then turned out that their heads weren't in the same place as many collectors before.

A fully new-sculpt small vehicle (ie Devilfish) would still be a "major" update to that vehicle.

Once again, I'm just saying: The folks that keep saying WHALE or Tomahawk are likely setting themselves up for disappointment, because there's no price point or "class" of vehicle that could currently hold a vehicle of that size, and if they were going to release a "big" vehicle it almost certainly would have come with the movie "push" and been something at least tangentially related to the movie (like a larger Ghost Hawk II, for example).

I'm pretty convinced it's gonna be something that fits into the current vehicle classes.

[crock master]

Why don't you guys just go out and buy whales and tomahawks other than waiting for hasbro to make crappy remakes of legendary vehicles that will never live up to the originals?

[ero]

Probably the havok because they can rerelease cross-country with it.

I love the HAVOC, and it's one of the few Joe vehicles I had as a kid, but I don't think it would do well. I've been surprised at how critical of it people have been on forums over the years.

Why don't you guys just go out and buy whales and tomahawks other than waiting for hasbro to make crappy remakes of legendary vehicles that will never live up to the originals?

Well, those two in particular have a few issues, including completeness and availability (in regard to cost). And there's the size issue. I'd like to see Hasbro do any vehicle in a way that stays true to the original but accommodates the new figure size. Also, anything that ups the ante on the original would be nice. I think a new HISS that's v1 in looks, but larger, has functional rubber treads and a compartment that can open and hold figures, would be a lot of fun. Make it Sunbow-accurate with gray trades and wheels and I'd be in heaven.

[poddie]

Except the Ninja Combat Cruiser is the largest vehicle class Hasbro currently has.

"Major" update could easily be wordplay. It isn't like Hasbro hasn't given a particular impression and then turned out that their heads weren't in the same place as many collectors before.

A fully new-sculpt small vehicle (ie Devilfish) would still be a "major" update to that vehicle.

Once again, I'm just saying: The folks that keep saying WHALE or Tomahawk are likely setting themselves up for disappointment, because there's no price point or "class" of vehicle that could currently hold a vehicle of that size, and if they were going to release a "big" vehicle it almost certainly would have come with the movie "push" and been something at least tangentially related to the movie (like a larger Ghost Hawk II, for example).

I'm pretty convinced it's gonna be something that fits into the current vehicle classes.

Unfortunately, I think you're right. But I still want a new WHALE. :)

[ero]

I dunno, I don't think they're playing semantics. They know the context here is the 30th Sky Striker.

[krisk]

If it was the coyote or aliens style apc shown at Joecon, I would be with you. I'd prefer either of those to a remake.
I could live with that..
The only other vehicle I can see them doing is maybe the Warthog with SGT. Slaughter. Although I don't know if they could get away with SGT. Slaughter at retail though. It would be a good SDCC exclusive though.

haha, Ironhide as the warthog with Sgt Slaughter for SDCC! haha

[WildWeaselZ06]

Zero, zip and nada. I think the Retaliation line has done some major damage to the line. I hope I'm wrong, but there is definayely some hurting in the line right now.

[Steevy Maximus]

Zero, zip and nada. I think the Retaliation line has done some major damage to the line. I hope I'm wrong, but there is definayely some hurting in the line right now.

I don't see how the delay of product to tie into the movie has had anymore damage to Joe than the last two years of weak retail support (in particular, Walmart's practical NON-support of the line to begin with).
It isn't like RoC where you had PILES of figures just sitting on shelves, or even PoC where Arctic Destro bogged down retailers for almost half a year.

[Still Wind]

I'm thinking either a mauler, dragonfly, or stun. It would have to be something around the price point of the skystriker or less. But I would love a Tomahawk or Whale. Heck throw in those concept vehicles too...Steelwolf, Coyote, and Renegades Jeep.

[Ruin]

I think any real "damage" to the line is due to declining interest in toys.

[GI C]

I am bit pissed we didn't get a cool tank for GI Joe.The Mauler would be nice.

[Ruination04]

Tomahawk.


I don't buy Joes, just Cobra. BUT......just as with the Skystriker, if they make this, I will buy it!

[fightingswords]

I would like to see the TTBP redone. And a Cobra version as store exclusive. I would also like see the Silver Mirage and Ferret done in classic deco. The Devilfish would also make a great alpha vehical too.

[jmc2915]

apc for me

[paraviper]

I'm thinking either a mauler, dragonfly, or stun. It would have to be something around the price point of the skystriker or less. But I would love a Tomahawk or Whale. Heck throw in those concept vehicles too...Steelwolf, Coyote, and Renegades Jeep.

These all fit the bill. We Know they still have the mauler as they almost put it out during Roc. They talked about wanting to do the Dragonfly in one of the past Q&A sessions. The Stun was a convention exclusive a few years back so the mold should still be around.

[crock master]

I don't kniw why people even dream if another night raven after that last turd. I have gone primarily vintage. I have a few modern stuff but am working on selling most if that. I basically gave my modern sky striker away due to its massive turdiness. The last things I'd ever want to see are newer renditions of a whale , tomahawk , or anything larger scale. Hasbro can't even release the atv ferret properly.

[WildWeaselZ06]

I don't know, I love the snake trax and tiger claw atvs. Almost as much as I enjoy my club con ferrets.

[Jinx723]

Well, it's a given we're getting the Cobra Night Landing next year.

Last time this was released was 15 years ago. Do they still have the mold or will it be new tool?

[Creeping Death]

Not to be Debby Downer but do we even know if Hasbro still even plans on releasing this?
They've said they're not releasing any large Star Wars vehicle next year and granted Joe has a new movie to generate interest in the line while Star Wars doesn't but their plans can change at any time and I don't think we should get our hopes up in case the just stick with movie-inspired vehicles.

[krisk]

Not to be Debby Downer but do we even know if Hasbro still even plans on releasing this?
They've said they're not releasing any large Star Wars vehicle next year and granted Joe has a new movie to generate interest in the line while Star Wars doesn't but their plans can change at any time and I don't think we should get our hopes up in case the just stick with movie-inspired vehicles.

well SW does have the 3D release next year....or is it the year after??

[krisk]

been thinking about it......given the box size for the Skystriker, they could do a night raven, just make it in two pieces like the ROC raven......
not saying I want one though...

also, if the Tomahawk was unassembled, it would fit in the skystriker box as well, just have the body come in 4 pieces; 2 sides, the bottom and the top snap together....then all the other parts snap on...

whale--well that would be tougher to do..

[Jmacq1]

been thinking about it......given the box size for the Skystriker, they could do a night raven, just make it in two pieces like the ROC raven......
not saying I want one though...

also, if the Tomahawk was unassembled, it would fit in the skystriker box as well, just have the body come in 4 pieces; 2 sides, the bottom and the top snap together....then all the other parts snap on...

whale--well that would be tougher to do..

While this is all true, there was no indication that the Skystriker pricepoint/assortment/what-have-you was continuing, given that no vehicle of that size was solicited for the Retaliation line. If Retaliation was intended to have vehicles of that size in the line, they would have been shown off at the previous year's Toy Fair.

If Hasbro were intending on continuing the "Skystriker Size Assortment" they would've had a vehicle for it with the rest of the Retaliation offerings. It's unlikely that Hasbro is going to break out a new class of vehicle outside of a movie.

Maybe a slight chance they'd do it as an indirect tie in to the 50th overall anniversary of G.I. Joe, but that's still two years away. Then again, Hasbro has a tendency to celebrate their anniversaries a half-year or so early.

Once again though, I re-iterate my belief that the "new classic" vehicle will be something that fits into the vehicle assortments we've already seen for Retaliation.

Which leads me back to my two guesses: Either a simple tan repaint of the Ninja Combat Cruiser as a new "Vamp Mk II" or a newly-resculpted Devilfish in the smaller vehicle assortment.

[pig iron grenadier]

well SW does have the 3D release next year....or is it the year after??
November I believe...

[krisk]

November I believe...

then the 3rd one is next year, think I saw where they were going to be a year apart for each one

[krisk]

While this is all true, there was no indication that the Skystriker pricepoint/assortment/what-have-you was continuing, given that no vehicle of that size was solicited for the Retaliation line. If Retaliation was intended to have vehicles of that size in the line, they would have been shown off at the previous year's Toy Fair.

If Hasbro were intending on continuing the "Skystriker Size Assortment" they would've had a vehicle for it with the rest of the Retaliation offerings. It's unlikely that Hasbro is going to break out a new class of vehicle outside of a movie.

Maybe a slight chance they'd do it as an indirect tie in to the 50th overall anniversary of G.I. Joe, but that's still two years away. Then again, Hasbro has a tendency to celebrate their anniversaries a half-year or so early.

Once again though, I re-iterate my belief that the "new classic" vehicle will be something that fits into the vehicle assortments we've already seen for Retaliation.

Which leads me back to my two guesses: Either a simple tan repaint of the Ninja Combat Cruiser as a new "Vamp Mk II" or a newly-resculpted Devilfish in the smaller vehicle assortment.

of course with how much Hasbro changes their minds about everything, maybe we were going to get a "Echo" class and then it got scrubbed...so who knows except for Hasbro

[Xerofall]

Didn't the head honcho for Hasbro say he'd love to see an updated Whale? I'd be okay with that, maybe with stronger vanes.

[sithlordsmart]

I can see a Moray hydrofoil, or the MCC..

[Steevy Maximus]

I can see a Moray hydrofoil, or the MCC..

Hydrofoil? MAYBE, but unlikely since Hasbro doesn't appear to be pushing stuff bigger than the $20 pricepoint as far as vehicles. If they do another big one, I'd say it has a better than average chance if some of the tooling is still viable.

MCC? Not a chance in hell, certainly not after the PiTT (The MCC reissue was $80 in 2003/4, how much do you think inflation is going to hit that?)

[Havok]

I'm sure whatever it is I will buy it. And while I have some favorites of what I would like to see, I just can't honestly pick just one.

[Trigue]

Like everyone else is saying I doubt Hasbro is going to take a chance with an expensive Joe vehicle for a while, even during a movie year. Joe took a massive hit this year. I doubt we'll even see anything in the Skystriker's price range for a several years, unless the movie line does extremely well next year. Heres hopeing they whip out the battlestations for a surprise next year like when ROC came out, and a real classic VAMP Mark II.

Hasbro could push out a bunch of lower price point items. Reissue the MMS again, either in the classic green or painted up to match what kind of looked like it in one of the trailers. ASP,Whirlwind, Outpost Defender, Snake Armor and Ferrets. They could repaint the crap out of those two. Python Patrol/Crimson Strike Team Ferrets and Snake Armor! but then of course they could paint a turd in Python Patrol colors and we'd buy them up like crazy. If we do get more than just the Night Landing I'll be surprised and it will pretty much have to be something they already have the mould for with very few or no new parts at all.

[Whargoul44]

I'm thinking the Dragonfly is probably the smartest choice. First off, it's an iconic vehicle. Everyone here will by them like crazy if they're done well. There are at least 3 repaint possibilities that I can think of. Obviously there's the Tigerfly, which if they decided to do a Tiger Force JoeCon set, would fit nicely. They also have every other vehicle repainted for TF minus the Devilfish, so that would make some sense. Also, following their Transformers/Joe crossover SDCC exclusives, they could do a blue Autobot Whirl version, and lastly down the road they could do a tan Locust repaint. If Hasbro wanted to get their money's worth out of a mold, this would be a good choice. I'd take any of the vintage vehicles mentioned here though as long as it was done well.

[krisk]

haha, they are going to do a 1982 Mustang in 1/18th scale! hahahha

[saltymarine]

They just released that Star Wars Droid Tank, Frigin HUGE vehicle, $129.00 at Wallmart, $179.00 at TRU, thats a huge gamble in this economy, I bought one and im broke, i know a few guys bought one too that don't buy many toys just cause it was so awesome, I hope this is a sign we may get at worst a APC or Tomohawk, but im sure it will B an AWE, like we need another one of those, Im guna pray for Tomohawks, Mobats, Maulers !!!!

[DR.Sin]

How about nothing so that I can actually not be annoyed when I can't find anything new on the store shelves as usual. Besides it will save me some money as Hasbro has done lately, what with their terrible distribution on the Star Wars toys and the postponed yet also bad distribution of the G.I. Joe toys.

[spiderpumpkin]

1983 GI Joe HQ please.

[ero]

Everyone who is saying that Hasbro won't do a big vehicle this year, we only speculate on what the vehicle would be because they said they were doing a big classic vehicle this year.

Right?

[krisk]

Everyone who is saying that Hasbro won't do a big vehicle this year, we only speculate on what the vehicle would be because they said they were doing a big classic vehicle this year.

Right?
I think some of that is because of the Echo class vehicle that was only mentioned once by a couple of retailers(kokomo was one I am pretty sure) then Hasbro came in and told them to remove the Echo reference....or something to that effect

[Shin Densetsu]

Everyone who is saying that Hasbro won't do a big vehicle this year, we only speculate on what the vehicle would be because they said they were doing a big classic vehicle this year.

Right?

Earlier last year there were people saying we wouldn't get a big vehicle while a few were openly stating a lack of surprise should a Sky Striker come(which later happened at Toy Fair).

Now given that, I highly highly doubt that Hasbro's G.I. Joe design team would be expressing excitement about a classic vehicle they were bringing back unless it was actually big. For years Hasbro was saying the Sky Striker would not be brought back then look what happened last year.

I am not expecting something like the FLAGG or Terrordrome. A WHALE to me, is not outside the realm of possibility, especially if a new mold based on the original has been tooled to break down into smaller/modular components to reduce retail footprint of the box on toy shelves, like what happened with the Sky Striker XP-21F.

[miscreant]

Where's the 'Another AWE Striker retool' option?

[Ruin]

Earlier last year there were people saying we wouldn't get a big vehicle while a few were openly stating a lack of surprise should a Sky Striker come(which later happened at Toy Fair).

Now given that, I highly highly doubt that Hasbro's G.I. Joe design team would be expressing excitement about a classic vehicle they were bringing back unless it was actually big. For years Hasbro was saying the Sky Striker would not be brought back then look what happened last year.

I am not expecting something like the FLAGG or Terrordrome. A WHALE to me, is not outside the realm of possibility, especially if a new mold based on the original has been tooled to break down into smaller/modular components to reduce retail footprint of the box on toy shelves, like what happened with the Sky Striker XP-21F.

that's what I think. Furthermore, why would they even mention it if it were another release of, say, the Armadillo or anything else we have had since the 25th line?

Tomahawk or Whale

[Jmacq1]

that's what I think. Furthermore, why would they even mention it if it were another release of, say, the Armadillo or anything else we have had since the 25th line?

Tomahawk or Whale

They would mention it because a classic vehicle is a classic vehicle regardless of size. Though I do think it will be something we haven't seen redone yet (IE not another AWE Striker or Armadillo), I just don't think it's going to be particularly "big" in terms of size.

Someone that was actually there can feel free to correct me, but the Hasbro reps never made any reference whatsoever to the size of the item when they dropped that tidbit.

Of course, by now the item could already be canceled or postponed. It sounds like it was something that was designed to drop after the initial movie rush. That might still hold, and if the movie toys don't sell well, it may never reach shelves. Especially if it's a pricepoint/size that's larger than what's currently on shelves.

[mrfu]

killer whale!!!!! Please!!!!!

yes

[Brcall]

I hope it's the Whale or Tomahawk too, but do you guys think it could be the Tactical Battle Platform?

[Steevy Maximus]

I hope it's the Whale or Tomahawk too, but do you guys think it could be the Tactical Battle Platform?

I still think if we were going to see anything close to that big...Hasbro would have pushed it at Toy Fair.

I agree with Jmaq, Hasbro said something along the lines of a "major/big vintage update". They never said it was going to be physically big, IIRC.

Something like the STUN, or Devilfish or Slugger would all probably be considered "big vintage updates", but all could fit in the current price points Hasbro has set up.

[Playful]

The Cobra Stun with vintage colored Motor-Viper (using the recent the 2009 Nitro-Viper action figure from the G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra Steel Crusher A.P.V.) would certainly be a winner in my opinion.

People buying three or more of these to army build the Motor-Vipers would probably make this a successful set in sales numbers (at least among collectors; kids wouldn't know a thing about this vehicle or character, especially now that Hasbro abandoned filecards and advertising).

[Jmacq1]

I still think if we were going to see anything close to that big...Hasbro would have pushed it at Toy Fair.

I agree with Jmaq, Hasbro said something along the lines of a "major/big vintage update". They never said it was going to be physically big, IIRC.

Something like the STUN, or Devilfish or Slugger would all probably be considered "big vintage updates", but all could fit in the current price points Hasbro has set up.

I think if they got creative they could squeeze a Dragonfly into the Bravo/HISS/Ninja Combat Cruiser assortment. Hasbro mentioned a Dragonfly being on the way a few years back, though there's some degree of question as to whether the "Dragonhawk XH-1" was supposed to be the "new Dragonfly" spoken of (And I still say if they had called that thing the "Locust Mk II" older fans would've probably loved it).

[paraviper]

The Cobra Stun with vintage colored Motor-Viper (using the recent the 2009 Nitro-Viper action figure from the G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra Steel Crusher A.P.V.) would certainly be a winner in my opinion.

People buying three or more of these to army build the Motor-Vipers would probably make this a successful set in sales numbers (at least among collectors; kids wouldn't know a thing about this vehicle or character, especially now that Hasbro abandoned filecards and advertising).

Yeah I'd buy up some Stuns.

[ShadowNinja]

None. The bigger ones didn't sell well. Some never restocked and Hasbro as a company is losing money.

[Xenos]

I think if they got creative they could squeeze a Dragonfly into the Bravo/HISS/Ninja Combat Cruiser assortment. Hasbro mentioned a Dragonfly being on the way a few years back, though there's some degree of question as to whether the "Dragonhawk XH-1" was supposed to be the "new Dragonfly" spoken of (And I still say if they had called that thing the "Locust Mk II" older fans would've probably loved it).

I agree. I think that the Dragonfly is probably the most iconic, reasonably sized vehicle left to do for the ME figures. The APC would be my other guess.

[Xenos]

None. The bigger ones didn't sell well. Some never restocked and Hasbro as a company is losing money.

Hasbro isn't losing money. They had lower than expected earnings, but they still turned a profit.

[ShadowNinja]

Exactly, Their earnings were low. They are not gonna put out a large vehicle (unless they already have one coming out for the movie if so and it doesnt do well like the night raven and the mobile pit then nevr again) till they see how they movie does . If the movies does crap end of joe as we know it in stores.

[ero]

I hope it's the Whale or Tomahawk too, but do you guys think it could be the Tactical Battle Platform?

Probably not. I wouldn't expect a playset from them anytime soon.

I still think if we were going to see anything close to that big...Hasbro would have pushed it at Toy Fair.

ToyFair 2012? That was movie stuff, IIRC. I think the idea was that the movie figures would come out, give Joe a nice presence at retail and allow for some collector-oriented stuff like the big classic (first mentioned at JoeCon this past summer, right?). I think we'll know better at Toy Fair 2013.

As for what it is, I continually come back to the Dragonfly. Props to whoever it was that first mentioned it in this thread.

[ShadowNinja]

I thought the dragonfly was suppose to be the roc dragonhawk thing.

[ero]

I thought the dragonfly was suppose to be the roc dragonhawk thing.


Sure, but that's like saying the POC Vamp was supposed to be the Vamp Mark II.

I think we would get an ARAH Dragonfly rebuilt to accommodate modern era figures.

[ChaplainAsst]

I would be on a Whale or ... that Flagg playset we were shown awhile back. That's a long shot, but I'm sure some bean counter might say, "But we could use that for a Battleship sequel!"

[youdoitimbusy]

I hope its an updated ninja speed cycle...that shoots 2 missles!

[Jmacq1]

I would be on a Whale or ... that Flagg playset we were shown awhile back. That's a long shot, but I'm sure some bean counter might say, "But we could use that for a Battleship sequel!"

Except there's not going to be a Battleship sequel.

[Steevy Maximus]

I would be on a Whale or ... that Flagg playset we were shown awhile back. That's a long shot, but I'm sure some bean counter might say, "But we could use that for a Battleship sequel!"

You mean that Flagg playset with the big placard that said "this is a display custom and we have no intentions of making a new one"?

[Dem_Yoe'z!]

I'd really like to see a new Mauler. Doesn't need to be motorized, but I'd like to see a detailed crew area.

My second pick would be either an updated Hovercraft or Moray, heck even an updated Shark 9000 would be nice, that vehicle has a lot of potential.

[Shin Densetsu]

I doubt the design team would make a big deal out of something unless it was something they knew we would be excited about. Devilfish, yeah I can see people wanting that but I don't think there would be that much hype on the part of the design team for that. If anything it would be expected since it seemed like it was planned then canned for ROC.

I still think we will see a big vehicle, like the WHALE or something. If not that, something closer in size.

[luigi]

I would be on a Whale or ... that Flagg playset we were shown awhile back. That's a long shot, but I'm sure some bean counter might say, "But we could use that for a Battleship sequel!"
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/07/27/g-i-joe-uss-flagg-comic-con-display/
-_-

[Firefly9145]

You mean that Flagg playset with the big placard that said "this is a display custom and we have no intentions of making a new one"?

Yup that's the one he is talking about.

[Firefly9145]

Sure, but that's like saying the POC Vamp was supposed to be the Vamp Mark II.

I think we would get an ARAH Dragonfly rebuilt to accommodate modern era figures.

And watch that be a 1 seater like the skystriker and then half the tank will bitch about that and wait till it hit ross

Ill bet my money on another awe striker lol

[Firefly9145]

Where's the 'Another AWE Striker retool' option?

^^^^
This lmao

[Snow Wolf]

Tomahawk, Stun, Mamba, Moray or ASP. Any and all would all be awesome in my books.

[blackman2005]

I'm really, really hoping for this:

http://www.yojoe.com/vehicles/88/phantom/phantom_box.jpg

http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss252/Grendelking1/eBay%20Items%20For%20Sale/100_0533.jpg

But knowing how Hasbro is going for cheaper strategies to keep vehicles on shelves, we'll most likely see this for the fifth time in four years:

http://www.actionfigurehq.com/GIJoe/25thanniversary/loosevehicles/awestriker.JPG

[NeilJam]

I'd like to see them make a new APC, but I think they may have to redo too much for it to be feasible. They'd need to remold all the seats (including driver and shotgun) pegs in the aisle, and I think they might have to redo both top parts for the modern figures to fit.

I'd most like to see the WHALE, then maybe the Cobra Hydrofoil the next year. Otherwise I'd really like an update for the ASP, which they could package with the Stinger since that was under-produced at the end of the 25th anniversary vehicle line.

[Owner of a Lonely B.A.T.]

I've previously said I expect the Moray with Lamprey...I would LOVE a Hydro Viper.

But recently I've been thinking more and more about that Skystriker mold...some where along the line you KNOW their gonna want to reuse that.

So I wouldn't be suprised to see the Night Boomer, or which I think would be more sweet, a Sky Patrol Skystriker...but I doubt chrome will happen HIGHLY, doubt it.

[ero]

I've previously said I expect the Moray with Lamprey...I would LOVE a Hydro Viper.

But recently I've been thinking more and more about that Skystriker mold...some where along the line you KNOW their gonna want to reuse that.

So I wouldn't be suprised to see the Night Boomer, or which I think would be more sweet, a Sky Patrol Skystriker...but I doubt chrome will happen HIGHLY, doubt it.

I have to think that they weren't referring to a repaint as the next big vehicle. I think the Boomer is something that will likely happen as a TRU exclusive or something. But I really doubt it's what they were talking about.

[Laser Viper]

An updated Maggot would be sweet! But ill take just about anything right now thats vintage updated that Hasbro makes in the future!

[Shin Densetsu]

I have to think that they weren't referring to a repaint as the next big vehicle. I think the Boomer is something that will likely happen as a TRU exclusive or something. But I really doubt it's what they were talking about.

Agree. I think it's different due to the hype

[Ruin]

I've previously said I expect the Moray with Lamprey...I would LOVE a Hydro Viper.

But recently I've been thinking more and more about that Skystriker mold...some where along the line you KNOW their gonna want to reuse that.

So I wouldn't be suprised to see the Night Boomer, or which I think would be more sweet, a Sky Patrol Skystriker...but I doubt chrome will happen HIGHLY, doubt it.

Way too soon.

[jmc2915]

well based of the last joecon i would say that whatever set of figures they do will tell us what vehicles they will do. even though the iron grenadiers got no love as far as vehicles.

i think the eco-warriors would be a cool set to do as a con exclusive! i would definitetly be interested in the following

25th awe striker - repainted as the eco-striker
poc hiss tank repainted as the septic tank
a new toxo-lab or a remolded toxo-lab

i would even be interested in seeing the international eco-warriors.

like: corrosao, biologico, biomassa, biosfera

and maybe some of the unreleased eco-warriors.

like: major bludd, outback, and snow storm

[paraviper]

Agree. I think it's different due to the hype

Tomahawk,Mauler,Stun,Whale,A.S.P or Dragonfly would be my top picks for modern updates. These are all iconic vehicles that people would buy. If it's a smaller vehicle in size.The Devilfish would be a good call as would the A.S.P. The Slugger tank is small enough and would also make a good update. Either that or they drop a version one Vamp mk 2 on us.

[paraviper]

well based of the last joecon i would say that whatever set of figures they do will tell us what vehicles they will do. even though the iron grenadiers got no love as far as vehicles.

i think the eco-warriors would be a cool set to do as a con exclusive! i would definitetly be interested in the following

25th awe striker - repainted as the eco-striker
poc hiss tank repainted as the septic tank
a new toxo-lab or a remolded toxo-lab

i would even be interested in seeing the international eco-warriors.

like: corrosao, biologico, biomassa, biosfera

and maybe some of the unreleased eco-warriors.

like: major bludd, outback, and snow storm

I hated Eco-Warriors back in the 90's and nothing has changed. In one way it would be good because I'd save money. I think Tiger Force is the next convention set. Easy repaints and all the tooling is in place. Same thing with most of the vehicles.

[Ruin]

While I appriciate the fact that GI Joe tries to have something for everyone, I personally would buy little to none of the eco-crap.

[jmc2915]

I hated Eco-Warriors back in the 90's and nothing has changed. In one way it would be good because I'd save money. I think Tiger Force is the next convention set. Easy repaints and all the tooling is in place. Same thing with most of the vehicles.

i would think this would be cool if they went with the international and never released joes for the tiger force. but i feel that most of the tiger force i already own and would prefer to have something that isn't a straight repaint

While I appriciate the fact that GI Joe tries to have something for everyone, I personally would buy little to none of the eco-crap.

i knew when i posted the idea that some people weren't going to like it. i personal would like to have the figure from 1982-1994 represented in my collection. so i wouldn't mind seeing these happen

[paraviper]

i would think this would be cool if they went with the international and never released joes for the tiger force. but i feel that most of the tiger force i already own and would prefer to have something that isn't a straight repaint



i knew when i posted the idea that some people weren't going to like it. i personal would like to have the figure from 1982-1994 represented in my collection. so i wouldn't mind seeing these happen

Cespool was the only figure I really liked. If you like them that's great. I just don't see them doing these figures as it would require massive new tooling. We know the Club loves repaints. I'd like to see Updated Night Force vs Shadow gaurd or Updated Night Watch. Who knows either that or update all the original 13 figures as a set.

[jmc2915]

Cespool was the only figure I really liked. If you like them that's great. I just don't see them doing these figures as it would require massive new tooling. We know the Club loves repaints. I'd like to see Updated Night Force vs Shadow gaurd or Updated Night Watch. Who knows either that or update all the original 13 figures as a set.

i think that the airtight and bbq bodies would be used pretty heavily but i think it could be done.

[PFunk]

Aren't all the old molds destroyed with a few exceptions like the AWE Striker and HISS?

[krisk]

Yup that's the one he is talking about.

I wonder if he meant the one that was supposed to come out with resolute? it was the one that folded and had a lower level......it was only drawings we saw...

[jmc2915]

Aren't all the old molds destroyed with a few exceptions like the AWE Striker and HISS?

maybe. i can't say they were all destroyed no one has confirmed that. but i thought that the skystriker was reversed engineered.

[FlintWO2]

My money is on a modern style Tomahawk. Which would be great.

[paraviper]

My money is on a modern style Tomahawk. Which would be great.

I'll buy at least 8 or 10 if they are done well.

[SteelersMobat]

What will it be? Canceled until further notice.

[Shin Densetsu]

Aren't all the old molds destroyed with a few exceptions like the AWE Striker and HISS?

No, but the thing is, whatever molds Hasbro got back from China in 2004 were never publicly revealed. The Hurricane is destroyed, was going to be an exclusive for JoeCon 2010 or 11 but the mold broke. There are a few molds which were returned to the US and found to be in working condition. SNAKE Armor, Cobra Jetpack, et al, however noone knew until they were re-released in the ROC line(and protos for the SNAKE Armor showed up late for the 25th).

maybe. i can't say they were all destroyed no one has confirmed that. but i thought that the skystriker was reversed engineered.

Sky Striker, Sting Raider(Moccassin) and Ghost HAWK are all new molds based on the original tooling but with modern construction. So they didn't use the original steel tools/molds but are new tools based on them, if that makes any sense.

Good rule of thumb is to handle a vintage vehicle, think of how sturdy it is compared to the new Sky Striker. If it isn't, if Hasbro ever brings it back, it will likely be new tools based on the originals. Like the Dragonfly, the last release(2000) was pretty sturdy but I can see Hasbro redoing it just to be safe.

[WildWeaselZ06]

I'm guessing that they are referring to the Night Landing set.

[ogre_h]

I'd love to see a Cobra Wolf. That thing still looks modern.

[RogueWingnut]

The Hurricane is destroyed, was going to be an exclusive for JoeCon 2010 or 11 but the mold broke.


I weep bitterly.
It was a beautiful plane.

[Steevy Maximus]

Like the Dragonfly, the last release(2000) was pretty sturdy but I can see Hasbro redoing it just to be safe.
The big issue with the Dragonfly is that the cockpit is too small for some ARAH figures, much less the vastly increased modern figure size. To maintain the original toy's dimensions, I strongly suspect the second pilot seat would have to be tooled out like they did with the Skystriker.

[DPrime]

No offense, but the three listed seem like odd choices. All three would be welcome, but still...

If they're hyping up something big, I expect it'd be either the Killer WHALE or Tomahawk.

In terms of vehicles, these two, along with the Skystriker, seem like the "big three" of the Sunbow days...

The Mauler would probably be a somewhat distant third, and could use an update. It'd be great to see a somewhat bigger version that had a turret with actual working hatches...

[DPrime]

The big issue with the Dragonfly is that the cockpit is too small for some ARAH figures, much less the vastly increased modern figure size. To maintain the original toy's dimensions, I strongly suspect the second pilot seat would have to be tooled out like they did with the Skystriker.

That would not work for me. :(

There are several one-seater fighter jets - not so much attack helicopters...

[paraviper]

I weep bitterly.
It was a beautiful plane.

It really is. I remember when it came out in 1990. I was in the store with my dad and begged him to buy it for me. He told me no! :( Although he got it for me for x mas that year along with a bunch of other cool Joe stuff. It really was Cobra's best fighter Jet.
I liked it more than the Night Raven

[paraviper]

No offense, but the three listed seem like odd choices. All three would be welcome, but still...

If they're hyping up something big, I expect it'd be either the Killer WHALE or Tomahawk.

In terms of vehicles, these two, along with the Skystriker, seem like the "big three" of the Sunbow days...

The Mauler would probably be a somewhat distant third, and could use an update. It'd be great to see a somewhat bigger version that had a turret with actual working hatches...

I love the idea of an updated Mauler. Although I agree with you that on the Joe side The Killer Whale and Tomahawk are the most iconic. On the Cobra side I'd be happy with an updated Stun or an all new A.S.P.

[rip_cord]

I voted Night Raven.

Not because I think it will happen, but becuase it's what I want the most!!!

[Laser Viper]

I see the Night Raven being released as well, but will this be released under the Retaliation line or a separate line altogether?
Maybe under the Renegades lineup if the cartoon series continues.

[1FormidableJoe]

My simple requests for a vintage vehicle revamp into 25th Anniversary-ish mold is: the Cobra ASP! The Cobra ASP still kicks ass to this day as far as its looks and functionationality! Hasbro if you re-release this vehicle; don't change the blue color or anything! - The modern Cobra ASP would go great with the Pursuit of Cobra/30th Anniversary Cobra Trooper! I would buy an ass ton of these modern Cobra ASPs! What other vehicles could use a modern revamp?



1. The Cobra Moray (..just so I don't have to pay the ridiculus Ebay prices for the vintage one; another great looking vehicle to this day)

2. The Killer Whale (..Hasbro couldn't go wrong with this one; this vehicle would fly off the shelf if this vehicle was re-released along with the modern Cobra Moray)

3. The Silver Mirage (..keep the same colors as the original; another classic Gi Joe vehicle that you can't go wrong with Hasbro)

4. A new U.S.S Flagg (..Yeah I know wishful thinking)

5. the Night Raven (..Ah hell yeah)

6. a new Mauler Tank (..but a little bigger)

7. a new Bridgelayer (..but bigger of course)

8. a new Wolverine (..but a little bigger; and with a " Sunbow cartoon accurate Covergirl please)

This is a good thread topic! It looks like Hasbro will continue on with the success of the 25th Anniversary line by giving us more vehicles from the Sunbow era (..if they could only give us more characters made into action figures from this era too)!

[Ash Talon]

I'd like to see the WHALE redone, but they have to fix the propellors. The vintage one was far too fragile, especially how they attached to the main body.

If TRU's True Heroes imports the Chap Mei Osprey, I would have no need for an updated Tomahawk. However, an update Tomahawk that can have modern-size Joes standing in it, ala the Star Wars Gunships, would be rather fantastic. And quite a bit larger than the vintage one.

I wouldn't mind them redoing the APC but giving it a hard/armored top. Something akin to a LAV or Stryker. Give it a few different types of weapons to mount on top too. It would be a classic vehicle but literally updated and improved upon.

In fact, I'd rather they actually update and tweak the classic designs a bit instead of keeping them the same. I know this is a little outside of this thread's intent, but it is my preference.

[Ruin]

The big issue with the Dragonfly is that the cockpit is too small for some ARAH figures, much less the vastly increased modern figure size. To maintain the original toy's dimensions, I strongly suspect the second pilot seat would have to be tooled out like they did with the Skystriker.

This is what I think too. I don't see how there's a way to fit it without significant changes to it's cockpit dimensions. For this reason, I Hope Hasbro leaves the Dragonfly to the customizers and their PTE Apaches. You can recreate the F-14 as a one-seater with some plausibility given there are many modern fighter/attack jets that seat just a pilot, but I cannot think of any attack helicopter besides the Ka-50 that lacks a weapons officer/navigator.

Also, I just want to see more vehicles that can seat multiple figures.

[Ruin]

If TRU's True Heroes imports the Chap Mei Osprey, I would have no need for an updated Tomahawk.

I'm not happy with how that Osprey looks. It's a goofy combination of GI Joe and Fisher Price.

[PFunk]

It'll be something small.

I'd like to see a new Hammer.

[jestermon]

Battlefield Robots.

[katdan847]

The Hammerhead or Bugg would be cool. With the whole hazmat theme they did, they can make these to fit in with that. Or what about a grenadier vehicle like the DEMON or Razorback. Those would be pretty sweet as well.

[Crossbones]

Terrordrome. Terrrordrome Terrordrome Terrordrome. Or that thing from TMNT that was from Dimension X that sounded like the Terrordrome. The Technodrome, right. Either way I need drome.