JoeCon 2012 Saturday - Insider's Guide GI Joe 2013 - The Hasbro Panel

[Shin Densetsu]

Pics aand juicy info from the insider's guide

[Tony_Bacala]

Joecon 2012 - Insider’s Guide: G.I. Joe 2013 (The Hasbro Panel) - GI Joe News (http://www.hisstank.com/gi-joe-news/conventions-9/joecon-2012---insiders-guide-gi-joe-2013-the-hasbro-panel-11482/)

Bump - This is live. Check there for updates from the panel, pics and full text info after it's over!

[RolandofGilead]

Let's go, let's go, let's go!

[Night_Force_GI_EDDO]

I'm guessing the micro force are like squinkies

[RolandofGilead]

I was hoping they were like micro machine figures.

[Cdt Weasel]

Probably like the star wars fighter pod line. Bad thing about that is you had to buy doubles in order to get a full collection of the star wars series.

[firefox91]

Probably like the star wars fighter pod line. Bad thing about that is you had to buy doubles in order to get a full collection of the star wars series.

I'm thinking the same thing. And really, that line is lame. I just don't see how this will be successful at all.

[RolandofGilead]

You're right. And I was so excited.

[Rhetoric]

In a way I feel bad for Hasbro, they got screwed in this whole movie fiasco. They have some nice product and now have to deal the clusterfuck.

[RolandofGilead]

That was it for new stuff?

[Night_Force_GI_EDDO]

Yeah, but what's the point? They don't do anything. They don't even move their arms, legs, etc.

[JediJones]

These are about the best G.I. Joe Micro figures that one could expect, and even they're nothing to get excited about. That's why Hasbro gave them away free back then.

YOJOE.COM | G.I.Joe Micro Figures (http://www.yojdoe.com/archive/insertis/microfigures.shtml)

[RolandofGilead]

Maybe they make good Retaliation vehicle drivers. :)



So will they have any product before next year?

[RolandofGilead]

These are about the best G.I. Joe Micro figures that one could expect, and even they're nothing to get excited about. That's why Hasbro gave them away free back then.

YOJOE.COM | G.I.Joe Micro Figures (http://www.yojoe.com/archive/inserts/microfigures.shtml)

http://www.yojoe.com/archive/inserts/images/microfigures1.jpg

That is actually pretty cool. I wish we were getting those again.

[B and H Comics]

GAWWW They could have taken the destined for clearance micro line budget and gave us articulated drivers.

[fireflyguy]

GI Joe Micro, eh? I'm in!

I haven't bought the SW pods because I wasn't gonna give Georgie any more of my money, but I'll definitely buy into GI Joe stuff.

[Cdt Weasel]

GAWWW They could have taken the destined for clearance micro line budget and gave us articulated drivers.

Probably not even close. They sell to differnt markets and price points so not even really related.

[RolandofGilead]

*sigh!*

[manicmotive]

Magic Mike photo. Even Hasbro knows that Duke is joke.

[Nirvana]

I'm guessing the micro force are like squinkies

I was hoping they were like micro machine figures.

Probably like the star wars fighter pod line. Bad thing about that is you had to buy doubles in order to get a full collection of the star wars series.

I'm thinking the same thing. And really, that line is lame. I just don't see how this will be successful at all.

Yep. A new Micro Machines GI Joe style line, I would pick up. Squinkies will sit around as much as the chibi figures did last time.

[rglass2]

Well awaiting pics to fully chime in but any Joe product out there currently is good for the brand. Yes we all have our dream figures that if we were in charge we would make, but to make it to that point Joes gotta be more in demand. It's working for the other lines, transformers, marvel, starwars, etc. so I say bring on mini figures and such if that's what it takes to see pegs and pegs of Joes, that I want, again.

[Nirvana]

New Guard comes with sticker sheet to customize division and rank.

Meh.

[manicmotive]

Meh.

I wonder how that will work out. I don't see stickers holding to ME sculpts very well.

[manic mailman]

Joe panel__new ultimate v2 snake eyes. All new tooling looked sick

[Lody]

Hasbro has confirmed that the variant Croc Master and Blowtorch WERE made but they don't know where they went or what happened to them.

[Nirvana]

I wonder how that will work out. I don't see stickers holding to ME sculpts very well.

Cobra Stickers does decent enough, but the thing is you almost always know it's a sticker. If a kid is going to play with the toy, I don't see those holding up in the long run.

[manicmotive]

Yeah, I don't particularly want stickers on my figures. Guess my new CGs will just be rankless.

[netkid]

Joe panel__new ultimate v2 snake eyes. All new tooling looked sick

But the POC wave 3 Snake Eyes is already so great. What could this one possibly look like to be even better? Is it more like a realistic looking wave 1 25th Snake Eyes?

Hasbro has confirmed that the variant Croc Master and Blowtorch WERE made but they don't know where they went or what happened to them.

Huh. Well I hope they show up then.

[Gyre-Viper]

Hasbro has confirmed that the variant Croc Master and Blowtorch WERE made but they don't know where they went or what happened to them.

What he said.


They are lost in limbo cuz of the line change so I'd assume
wherever POC 5 &6 end up (Ross etc) is where we will probably
finally end up with them.

[Cdt Weasel]

Hasbro has confirmed that the variant Croc Master and Blowtorch WERE made but they don't know where they went or what happened to them.

Hmm, well thank you hasbro. But now I'm still twisting in the wind. Is it possible to get a warehouse tour? lol.

[RolandofGilead]

So is everything on hold until next year, or what? Will there be any product to tide us over until the movie stuff comes out again?

[Rhetoric]

Can't wait for pics~

[Nightrain]

Sounds like a bullshit panel to me.

[manicmotive]

If this is true, I need that Croc Master.

[JediJones]

Hasbro has confirmed that the variant Croc Master and Blowtorch WERE made but they don't know where they went or what happened to them.

You have got to be kidding me. Watch for your next Chinese underground reseller eBay exclusive coming soon...

[Jmacq1]

That was it for new stuff?

Seems like the Joe team's hands are tied until Toy Fair due to the delay. Doesn't surprise me. It isn't like Hasbro's PR department is going to prioritize a bunch of hardcore fans over retail buyers.

[RolandofGilead]

I don't believe it. We would have seenu hem pop up from Chinese sellers on eBay if they ever actually existed.

[Konigstiger]

DG Joes info, yo?

[B and H Comics]

no comments on the dollar store joes?

[Rhetoric]

sounds like a bullshit panel to me.

wahhhhhhhh

[Jmacq1]

So is everything on hold until next year, or what? Will there be any product to tide us over until the movie stuff comes out again?

Comeon RoG, surely you of all people know the timeframes involved with developing toys for retail.

Because seriously...anyone that was thinking there was going to be "tide us over" product in the interim surely doesn't. It's a minimum of 6 months to go from concept to shelves, and that's for something that is ONLY a basic repaint of an existing figure. For an "all new" or "significantly new" character, it's closer to a year or a year and a half.

The only thing they might have been able to do is reshuffle the assortments to put out a wave of "non movie" figures in movie packaging, but then they're cutting into product they want to sell as "movie product" so...yeah, it was a very long shot to begin with. I'm not at all surprised, and anyone that was seriously hoping for interim product was carrying a case of unrealistic expectations.

[Jmacq1]

Sounds like a bullshit panel to me.

Through no fault of the Joe development team, but yes.

Corporate has basically told them "don't show off anything new until Toy Fair." They can't do anything about that.

It is absofuckinglutely pathetic that they're already telling us "Wait until Toy Fair!" in goddamn JUNE, but again...that's not the fault of the guys sitting here at the panel.

Nor is it their fault that one of the only things they -can- show off is a line that most of us probably won't give a hoot about (the micro-line).

But yes, as others have noted: Nothing on the Dollar Store Joes? Somebody ask some questions!

Also, it was advertised there would be TWO "major reveals"...which is the second one? :P

[RolandofGilead]

I understand the details, I was just hoping that they could either move up production of something they already had in the pipeline for after the movie (unlikely I know), or increase production of the Dollar General Joes and distribute them more widely. Hopefully including more of the rumored variations. That's not entirely unlikely.

[GI C]

It sound like we won't see anything joe related at SDCC.

[Nirvana]

Yes, because those quick 4-packs on Amazon looked like it took a long time to develop a box with art and a tray with bagged figures. Until Black CC for Retaliation showed up (meaning all 4 singles were essentially the same as their Wave 1 versions), that box was doing well in sales and Renegades was doing very well.

The model has been tested and works. Give us some quick 4-pack to 7-pack box sets to fill a need now and develop the more collector looking window box 7-packs later for other items. They could probably do two 4-packs of just all of their Zombies and see how well the market takes them. There were plenty of army builders there to justify multiple purchases.

[RolandofGilead]

It sound like we won't see anything joe related at SDCC.

There's always Sideshow.

[sithewok]

To echo a few others... No info on the DG joes? I'm holding off on buying a set at ebay prices until I see if they are coming to a store that I actually have in my state...

[Jmacq1]

I understand the details, I was just hoping that they could either move up production of something they already had in the pipeline for after the movie (unlikely I know), or increase production of the Dollar General Joes and distribute them more widely. Hopefully including more of the rumored variations. That's not entirely unlikely.

Yeah, I'm a little concerned that no mention at all was made of the Dollar Joes. Expect those figures to start shooting waaaay up in secondary market price now. :P

But again, even an "increase production" order wouldn't hit shelves for a few months. And retailers still have to buy them.

[Nightrain]

Through no fault of the Joe development team, but yes.

Granting all of that, they still could've explained why there is an entire line of awesome figures in a display case that won't be produced and what they plan to do about it. Unless that's some other panel?

[Xenos]

I will be buying very many of those Night Landings. That is so sweet.

[Rhetoric]

Ultimate Duke = Red Spot.

[Gyre-Viper]

no comments on the dollar store joes?

Hasbro frustrated that even they cannot get them in RI so they are examining and brainstorming expanding availability for them. Sounds like it won't be easy but they
are going to try. They said they won't do a wave 2 anytime soon because they feel bad that people cannot even find wave 1 yet. NO word on repaints.

[Scoop]

To echo a few others... No info on the DG joes? I'm holding off on buying a set at ebay prices until I see if they are coming to a store that I actually have in my state...

Yeah, I'm a little concerned that no mention at all was made of the Dollar Joes. Expect those figures to start shooting waaaay up in secondary market price now. :P

But again, even an "increase production" order wouldn't hit shelves for a few months. And retailers still have to buy them.

Another site is reporting that Derryl DePriest, who was on the Hasbro panel, "is also trying to get the Dollar store Joe figures released in greater numbers. He has had problems finding them himself. Hoping to get them in other stores besides Dollar General."

[RolandofGilead]

Hasbro frustrated that even they cannot get them in RI so they are examining and brainstorming expanding availability for them. Sounds like it won't be easy but they
are going to try. They said they won't do a wave 2 anytime soon because they feel bad that people cannot even find wave 1 yet. NO word on repaints.

That's awesome reporting Gyre. Thanks for giving us something to hope for.

[dgnr82]

Night landings sets look awesome,...I will buy a crap ton of those....

[Jmacq1]

Granting all of that, they still could've explained why there is an entire line of awesome figures in a display case that won't be produced and what they plan to do about it. Unless that's some other panel?

Uh, no, they couldn't explain that, because once again...they don't have final say over what figures get made. Whether because of the movie getting moved up or the bean-counters ixnaying the product for cost reasons or perception that the product wouldn't sell, it's still not the Joe team's doing. Recall that the Joe "timeline" has had three major upheavals now: The first when Pursuit of Cobra was pushed back a year, the second when Retaliation was initially moved up, and now with the movie being pushed back. Couple that with low retailer orders and it's no surprise a lot of stuff has fallen through the cracks.

If the "Joe team" got to choose what gets made, and what retailers buy in what quantities, we'd ALL have every single figure we want. But they don't.

If you're asking why the case is there at all, someone else pointed it out pretty clearly in another thread: Because they wanted to have something that "hadn't been seen before" at their booth or it'd be an even more pathetic showing.

[sithewok]

I will be buying very many of those Night Landings. That is so sweet.

It is a very cool set, though I'll probably sell off the Eels.

Crimson Guard is still cool, but so far away... Really like that Ultimate Duke, surprisingly enough.

Thanks for the word on the dollar joes. Hopefully someone else picks them up.

[Nirvana]

The Cobra Night Landing, Night Viper, and screen accurate Urban Cobra Trooper are all wins. I'll get grab a few of FF and Duke just for the Predator Drone and Mini HISS Tank.

I do think the Cyber Ninja looks a bit better with the Crimson Horseman helmet, but still not sure if I'll pick it up. I'd rather have more of the Black Ninja and that will probably win out in this higher priced market.

[Scoop]

Ultimate Duke = Red Spot.

Ultimate Duke to me would have equaled a 30th version of the 1983 ARAH Duke without "slit wrists" and correct weapons.

Yeah I know everyone is sick of him, but I still want a better version of this figure that actually does some justice which the 25th Anniversary figure didn't.

[theprocess]

Ha! Those suckers can't get DG figures...I feel better now.

[Xenos]

Ultimate Duke to me would have equaled a 30th version of the 1983 ARAH Duke without "slit wrists" and correct weapons.

Yeah I know everyone is sick of him, but I still want a better version of this figure that actually does some justice which the 25th Anniversary figure didn't.

I agree with this. When I saw that they were doing an Ultimage Duke I assumed it would be a spot-on classic one. This is still a really cool figure, I just don't think I'd call it "Ultimate" like the SE they showed off.


Overall though, I'm really liking a lot of these figures. The movie accurate trooper is awesome, I'll be army building him. Also, it seems like they are moving back towards including a ridiculous amount of gear with the figures, which I always love.

[conleyh2006]

love the ultimate duke

[bossprime]

We still have the rest of wave 5 to see eventually.

And are you guys seeing the wave 3 trooper!

cyclops helmet FTW!

[ceraurus]

Night landings sets look awesome,...I will buy a crap ton of those....

Yeah, that's really cool--I'll put my 25th Eels with it. The Combat Ninja is just awesome, especially if I can find some other helmets to with. I wish I could get more behind the CG--I rally like the rank sticker idea--but it's a bit underwhelming to me. Otherwise, there's a lot of stuff to like, especially the modern-take on a lot of it.

[zedhatch]

So we skip the consept case and get Micro stuffs that have already faild for SW, yeah great management of the "brand" there Hasbro.

[Jmacq1]

Don't have the slightest idea what I'll use them for in my Joe-verse, but those Movie-Accurate Cobra Troopers are aces. Maybe use them as "Shock Trooper Officers?"

Night Landing figure looks WAY more like Torpedo than an EEL to me, but either way it's a nice fig.

At least the stuff they DID show generally looks good. There just was very little of it. I wouldn't be surprised if they snuck one or two more little "surprises" into the case on Sunday, but that's one of those things that sometimes they do and sometimes they don't.

Also at this point it's looking like the only parts of the Data Viper that didn't get tooled are the Backpack, helmet, and head. (Sgt. Airborne from the three-pack seems to be using his body, though I can't quite tell on the torso).

[manic mailman]

But the POC wave 3 Snake Eyes is already so great. What could this one possibly look like to be even better? Is it more like a realistic looking wave 1 25th Snake Eyes?



Huh. Well I hope they show up then.

it looked like a perfectly tooled exact faithful update of v2 snake eyes.
the poc one was perfect for the v1 but not v2 accurate even with the v2 head because of the knit sweater top and bdu's

[JediJones]

They said they won't do a wave 2 anytime soon because they feel bad that people cannot even find wave 1 yet. NO word on repaints.

WTF? They're actually selling the minute they're put out, that's why they're hard to find. Did Hasbro fire everyone who knows WTF is going on with the Joe line? First they "lose" repaint Croc and Blowtorch and now they won't do more Dollar General Joes because the first wave was so successful and is selling out nationwide?

This is reminiscent of the past when they were "surprised" the 25th line was successful and never intended to expand it as far as they did. I guess they thought the DG Joes would be put out and hang around on the pegs all year like other Dollar Store crap they do like those unarticulated Marvel figures or Combat Heroes. It does seem unlikely DG would have realized they'd sell better than all their other crap so they probably did not order enough.

[Nightrain]

Uh, no, they couldn't explain that, because once again...they don't have final say over what figures get made.

DUDE, no one is asking for a "final say". Just some acknowledgement of their existence and that fans want them would be enough. God damn it that really isn't too much to ask.

[Jmacq1]

WTF? They're actually selling the minute they're put out, that's why they're hard to find. Did Hasbro fire everyone who knows WTF is going on with the Joe line? First they "lose" repaint Croc and Blowtorch and now they won't do more Dollar General Joes because the first wave was so successful and is selling out nationwide?

This is reminiscent of the past when they were "surprised" the 25th line was successful and never intended to expand it as far as they did. I guess they thought the DG Joes would be put out and hang around on the pegs all year like other Dollar Store crap they do like those unarticulated Marvel figures or Combat Heroes. It does seem unlikely DG would have realized they'd sell better than all their other crap so they probably did not order enough.

DUDE. Read the rest of the comments.

They don't want to do a second wave until after they've increased the production and distribution on the DG waves to a point where they're easier to find.

It's not a matter of whether or not they're selling. They just want more people to be able to get wave 1 before they worry about a wave 2.

Maybe you're one of the lucky guys that's found multiple sets of wave one and are ready for wave two, but the vast majority of us have never seen these things or live in areas where Dollar General doesn't even exist.

[ero]

"Hasbro has confirmed that the variant Croc Master and Blowtorch WERE made but they don't know where they went or what happened to them."

That's bananas.

[Jmacq1]

DUDE, no one is asking for a "final say". Just some acknowledgement of their existence and that fans want them would be enough. God damn it that really isn't too much to ask.

What the heck do you want them to say? They know the demand for the characters is there, or they wouldn't have proposed them in the first place.

DePriest said if there were figures in the concept case we wanted, make our voices heard. What more do you want? They shouldn't have to apologize for their corporate overlords, and do you need them to tell you what you already know (that people want many, if not all of those figures)?

[Cdt Weasel]

Why does hasbro keep emphasizing the yellow spots on shockwave/blast. The original had very few yellow bits, but now he has more yellow cammo than blue. :/

[cmderinchief]

I love the wave additions and re-arrangements!

[JediJones]

It's not a matter of whether or not they're selling. They just want more people to be able to get wave 1 before they worry about a wave 2.

Maybe you're one of the lucky guys that's found multiple sets of wave one and are ready for wave two, but the vast majority of us have never seen these things or live in areas where Dollar General doesn't even exist.

Well, I would say simply do a wave 2 and repack wave 1 with it, just like they do with their other retail lines. I'm not saying to cancel production of the wave 1 figures. But wave 2 ought to be on the drawing board now. The last thing we need is more delays of new product. I did see they might be trying to get them into other stores, which would be a good thing. But Hasbro needs to be fast-tracking all the ME non-movie product they can. It is absolutely stupid for them to talk about delaying production of anything. Their answer should be we're making a wave 2 AND we're trying to get both waves in more stores.

[zedhatch]

"Hasbro has confirmed that the variant Croc Master and Blowtorch WERE made but they don't know where they went or what happened to them."

That's bananas.

To me that statement almost proves the distro problems are on hasbro's end, how can the NOT know what happened to product they manufactured. If that's the case what happened to all the product that was SUPPOSED to go to the stores?

How can Hasbro blame retailers when they can't even FIND thier own products that they know were made?

[Nightrain]

What the heck do you want them to say?

I want them to stand on the stage or whatever and say, look, we really screwed up by canceling the 30th anniversary and Renegades. Paramount put us in a hell of a bind. We are going to do everything we can to get those figures made and mixed in with Retaliation next year.

Just some fucking honesty for once.

DePriest said if there were figures in the concept case we wanted, make our voices heard. What more do you want?

What are we supposed to do? Telephone Brian Goldner? Good fucking god I don't know how louder our voices can get on this board. And why wouldn't they make those figures whether they "hear" our voices or not? Put them in the shitty Retaliation packaging and be done with it.

[zedhatch]

Don't have the slightest idea what I'll use them for in my Joe-verse, but those Movie-Accurate Cobra Troopers are aces. Maybe use them as "Shock Trooper Officers?"


Is this the "combat Ninja" figure with a cobra flag and grey/white camo with black head, because that is the closest one I have seen to what it being described

[JediJones]

They don't want to do a second wave until after they've increased the production and distribution on the DG waves to a point where they're easier to find.

Now that I think about it, their answer is really just a BS dodge. It's yet another excuse why they don't have more of the product fans actually want in the stores. They just tried to spin it to make it sound like they're doing it because they love the fans. I don't think they hate the fans, but I think their management is incompetent and/or indifferent to how many of us there are and what we want. And these guys are spinning to cover for their bosses.

"We're delaying new product because we care about the fans and want them to find the older product first" is not something they would ever even do. It's just an excuse. If that was their policy, the 30th line never would have been started because they'd still be "waiting" for all of us to find Lowlight...not to mention the "lost" Croc and Blowtorch repaints. They ought to recall all the Retaliation figures right now because it shows a lack of care to the fans to ask us to buy those before we've found those older POC figures.

[Tony_Bacala]

Joecon 2012 - Insider’s Guide: G.I. Joe 2013 (The Hasbro Panel) - GI Joe News (http://www.hisstank.com/gi-joe-news/conventions-9/joecon-2012---insiders-guide-gi-joe-2013-the-hasbro-panel-11482/)

Pictures from the panel are all up. If I find any others floating around in folders I will update here.

[Nirvana]

Also at this point it's looking like the only parts of the Data Viper that didn't get tooled are the Backpack, helmet, and head. (Sgt. Airborne from the three-pack seems to be using his body, though I can't quite tell on the torso).

A little more work adding the last parts to other figures and we could build the one figure they said cost too much. lol.

[Shin Densetsu]

I'm guessing the "Ultimate" figures are either movie accurate or modernized ARAH accurate figures for characters who already have movie accurate figures in previous waves, like Snake Eyes.

So if we see an Ulttimate Roadblock, HELL YEAH!

The Ultimate figures are POC style in that they have more weapons instead of zipline and missles.

LOVE the new direction for alpha vehicles. Way better than those lame cycles wit CORPS style figures.

Anyone notice that extra head with the Cobra Trooper? METAL GEAR SOLID CYBORG NINJA!

[Superjoe74]

The Cobra Night landing is awesome- especially with all of the extra accessories.

[tycondrius]

awe man some of those look cool I like that chibi viper

[samantha]

Interesting new coming out of the panel.

Personally I would like to see Data Viper released as well as The GI Joe Coyote. Hasbro got screwed, by delaying the movie to early next year Hasbro is forced to sit on inventory. That does not look good at tax time. They are a company in the business of making money and they have to do what helps them stay in business. I can almost guarantee you they are just as frustrated as we are. I know we are die hard fans looking like deer in head lights trying to decide what to do. Do we save our money and leave the fandom, do we scrape by and survive on what little morsels we are getting, or do we just sit around and complain? We can't change the situation, Hasbro can not change the situation we are all stuck with what we have.

[tycondrius]

so is this the new line of things stick Ultimate infront of the various character names ? didn't we already have an ultimate SE?

[JediJones]

And why wouldn't they make those figures whether they "hear" our voices or not? Put them in the shitty Retaliation packaging and be done with it.

We already voted with our dollars. Did they cancel these because of all those pegwarming Lowlights, Lifelines, Sci-Fis, Technos and Zombie Vipers out there that we didn't buy? Any idiot can look at any retail store and see what Joes are in demand. The Joes that are in demand are the ones that appeal to the adult collectors who grew up on the '80s lines. They are the vast majority of the buyers that keep the Joe line in business for Hasbro for the first 11 months out of every year. The comic book industry knows they sell primarily to adult collectors, why can't some of the major segments of the action figure industry figure it out?

[Konigstiger]

so is this the new line of things stick Ultimate infront of the various character names ? didn't we already have an ultimate SE?

Guess so, and in the case of Duke and SE those are no where near ultimate.


Hope those movie Cobra Troopers are as plentiful as the Shock Trooper was here. Army building the hell out of that bad boy.
Though the W.4 status concerns me.

[samantha]

To me that statement almost proves the distro problems are on hasbro's end, how can the NOT know what happened to product they manufactured. If that's the case what happened to all the product that was SUPPOSED to go to the stores?

How can Hasbro blame retailers when they can't even FIND thier own products that they know were made?

The product was simply misplaced, I do not think they are lying to us. I do not see any consperacy to deceive the fans

[drunknmunky]

This showing is pretty underwhelming. A couple figures we haven't seen are pretty nice. I'm not really blown away by the stuff we've already seen (not saying it's not good stuff, just saying we've already seen it). The mini figures are pretty crappy but obviously they're aimed at kids. However so were Combat Heroes and we seen what happened there. Hopefully the stuff we see actually makes it onto shelves. But it's pretty obvious that we're not getting any new product this year.

Bummer, man. - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24Vlt-lpVOY)

[tycondrius]

you know just looking back that ultimate SE is pretty lame in the accessory dept I don't count timber being an ultimate accessory :P

[zedhatch]

What the heck do you want them to say?

The truth, it would be a refreshing change.

They know the demand for the characters is there, or they wouldn't have proposed them in the first place.

DePriest said if there were figures in the concept case we wanted, make our voices heard. What more do you want? They shouldn't have to apologize for their corporate overlords, and do you need them to tell you what you already know (that people want many, if not all of those figures)?


Depreist also said in 2005 that there would never, ever, be another t-crotched GI Joe figure, 3 months later Action Attack Storm Shadow. Nevermind the fact that as soon as he is back on board the Joe line-T-Crotches again for all drivers.

He also denied there were problems with the green helmeted Clones in the Star Wars line, demanded samples (Which Banthaskull provided) and NEVER responded in any way shape or form. After a solution to the greening was found by another fan site (which was of no use to MOC collectors since you had to soak the helmets, which means taking the figs out of the box), Depreist was cornered at SDCC about it suddenly prasiing the fans for pointing it out then defected the question with smart comments about too many clones in the line (which is funny since it was his call).

He told us Clone Wars was "selling great" and then this year at Toyfair we found out that was an exageration.

and so much more (talk to SW fans, they can't stand him).

Will he keep his word here, maybe but I'm not holding my breath.

[Superjoe74]

The Micro Figures are a total loss. Who would even consider allowing these to make it past concepts into actual prototypes- and then, I still have to wonder who could allow them to go into full production for retail. Is this what Hasbro spends it's budget on? I would not buy them as an adult collector and kids will not buy them either. Terrible waste..

[M_renegade]

Ok, that diver, movie accurate trooper, and SE are okay. The Trooper is actually quite cool.
Few accesories, but enough. Was that difficult?

The Crimson Gurad should be put on a box, and sent where the PP Croc Master and green Blowtorch went... oblivion.

Where are the minifigures?

.

[RogueWingnut]

Now showing new Crimson Guard
New Guard comes with sticker sheet to customize division and rank.


/Mind Blown.

[RogueWingnut]

The Crimson Gurad should be put on a box, and sent where the PP Croc Master and green Blowtorch went... oblivion.


Shut.
Up.

[Tony_Bacala]

Booth pics starting to go up now:

Joecon 2012 - Hasbro Display Case Saturday Post Panel - GI Joe News (http://www.hisstank.com/gi-joe-news/conventions-9/joecon-2012---hasbro-display-case-saturday-post-panel-11484/)

[samantha]

The Micro Figures are a total loss. Who would even consider allowing these to make it past concepts into actual prototypes- and then, I still have to wonder who could allow them to go into full production for retail. Is this what Hasbro spends it's budget on? I would not buy them as an adult collector and kids will not buy them either. Terrible waste..

What I would have liked to have seen was a line of mini vehicles. Kind of like Micro Machine. They could have created a set of rules in order for fans to possibly create epic battles. Yet I will buy a few of the micro characters I saw in the images.

[zedhatch]

The product was simply misplaced, I do not think they are lying to us. I do not see any consperacy to deceive the fans

Not consperacy, simply passing the blame so they don't have to take accountablity (or trying not to look bad, either way).

[Superjoe74]

There are some neat things they revealed- it was overall underwhelming after seeing the tremendous products in the concept display.

[RogueWingnut]

What I would have liked to have seen was a line of mini vehicles. Kind of like Micro Machine.

I support and would buy this.

[Superjoe74]

I will buy the Cobra Night Landing- it is '80's awesomeness.

I am sure I will use part swap that Cobra body with a Torpedo head for an 'Ultimate Torpedo' custom.

[M_renegade]

Well, okay, i'm mildly interested again.
Well done H.

That "Ultimate Duke" is, frankly, incredible.
Nice reuse of Data-viper's plane!

The firefly is far form Ultimate...but it's very cool. WAY better than the other shameful thing with the cart.

Feedback:
please, change the useless backpack of Ultimate Firefly, for the extra head of the actor.

Shut.
Up.

No i don't wanna! :D
That thing is hideous, man.

[zedhatch]

I will buy the Cobra Night Landing- it is '80's awesomeness.

I am sure I will use part swap that Cobra body with a Torpedo head for an 'Ultimate Torpedo' custom.

Agreed, it looks more like Torpedo than an Eel.

[iumma]

I laugh to myself whenever we all start a bitch train after a less than stellar reveal. I am guilty of it also. Overall, I am happy with the convention & SDCC exclusives, and what is coming down the pike for the movie. Could it have been better, of course. But we would have gotten maybe half of what we have seen without the movie, if that much. I get a thrill from seeing Joes back on the shelves, and all the discussion. We got some great stuff coming out of this JoeCon, even if it will cost an arm and a leg...

[Shin Densetsu]

Booth pics starting to go up now:

Joecon 2012 - Hasbro Display Case Saturday Post Panel - GI Joe News (http://www.hisstank.com/gi-joe-news/conventions-9/joecon-2012---hasbro-display-case-saturday-post-panel-11484/)

WHOA that new Red Ninja is bad ass!

[Ash Talon]

Why do they insist on trying Joe toys that just aren't Joe toys? The Micro figures will fail. Joe Mighty Muggs and Combat Heroes failed as well. Just put those funds into the actual Joe brand. There's been the argument that they're trying to find new fans. Those attempts just don't work in that way. Make the Joe line a successful cohesive line again.

Is there a pic of Ultimate SE?

Regarding getting the display case stuff made, just keep talking about which figures you want made. Send emails. Complaining about Hasbro or its staff doesn't help determine what they should make. They know their 2013 Joe line and are reshuffling stuff to get more product out there quicker, ala Ultimate Duke and Combat Ninja in wave 3 which is looking a lot more full than wave 2. Any requests we have might make it out by late 2013 or at least the 2014 line.

How about there be an official thread created here where we list which of the concept stuff we want made. Maybe we're limited to a certain amount (5-10 items). No discussions allowed. Just list the items. Hasbro can then see what's most in demand.

[Mercenary696]

That Cobra Night Landing raft and Eel is one of the best figure/vehicle sets I have seen. Well done Hasbro! As a kid, that would be an absolute blast to have. A full crate of weapons and a fully geared up Cobra diver.

[RogueWingnut]

No i don't wanna! :D
That thing is hideous, man.

I'll take it anyday, everyday, over something that might be construed as an 'Arctic Destro' type figure. Tell ya what, if you find them and want to get them out of your stores, I'd buy em.

[jcast]

The product was simply misplaced, I do not think they are lying to us. I do not see any conspiracy to deceive the fans

Not conspiracy, simply passing the blame so they don't have to take accountability (or trying not to look bad, either way).

No conspiracy, just extreme incompetence.

[JediJones]

Hasbro did do a figure with decals back in the '80s. Judging by these pics, the decals didn't stick too well.

GUNG-HO (v2), YOJOE.COM | YoJoe.com: Dedicated to the G.I.Joe of the 80's, 90's and beyond! (http://www.yojoe.com/action/87/gungho2.shtml)

http://www.yojoe.com/access/87/38.jpg

http://www.yojoe.com/action/87/allgearedup/gungho2.jpg

[CobraAce007]

The ultimate Friefly is the best use of the blasters. The mini Hiss Tank is the best and most acceptable form of a Blaster. This is said because it is usable and is realistic.
Good job Hasbro

is the Snakes Eyes from the cartoon series, becuase he looks slightly cartoonish.

The Cobra Eels equipment is pretty nice. The little boat and the load guns makes it pretty good. The figure is neat as well, yet I would have prefered an Eel that looks like the 25th and Vintage Eels. Oh, well you can not have your cake and eat it too. I can probably make this a SEAL like Cobra Soldier or a Special Ops Cobra Soldier.

[Lantern_Lad]

I like what I see, for the most part... just underwhelmed after the awesomeness of yesterdays photos of what "could have been"...

[M_renegade]

Do i see a easy headswap for a modern Psyche-out here?

http://www.hisstank.com/gi-joe-news/attach/1/023-retaliation-hasbro-display-saturday_1341079302.jpg

[Ford]

Is that the Data Viper's head packaged with the Retaliation Cobra Soldier? If so, You'll have the figure now, plus some drones to give him.

[RogueWingnut]

I like what I see, for the most part... just underwhelmed after the awesomeness of yesterdays photos of what "could have been"...

Well for everyone beautiful amazing concept figure, there was probably 10 stinkers and Arctic Destro...

[big ape]

Firefly from the 3-pack is more "ultimate" than the official ultimate version.

Not really ultimate Duke to me, but I will buy a couple. I like it.

I hope the picture from the panel is accurate and Mouse's guns aren't made out of cheese when these hit retail.

Whoever oversees the Joe line needs to go. "We made it, but we can't find it" is a poor excuse and worse if it's true.

Anyone know if Battle-Kata Roadblock will have that white knife sheath on his vest corrected?

[Cdt Weasel]

I wonder if we will actually get all these accesories. Was a big let down not getting all the cool bits originally shown for 30th and renegades. But at least they kept the important bits with those figures. I can easily see that duke coming with only one head, or without the drone if the budget ends up tight.

[Fox]

So like can we return these crappy wave 1 figures back to Hasbro and exchange them for the better ones?

[Cdt Weasel]

[QUOTE=big ape;3782746]
Whoever oversees the Joe line needs to go. "We made it, but we can't find it" is a poor excuse and worse if it's true.
QUOTE]

Its not my favorite answer, but what can we expect. Not like they are going to go to the warehouse and start cutting open tens of thousands of boxes to see what color figs are inside them.

[JediJones]

How about there be an official thread created here where we list which of the concept stuff we want made. Maybe we're limited to a certain amount (5-10 items). No discussions allowed. Just list the items. Hasbro can then see what's most in demand.

The best way to do that would be to have a full list of the figures and allow us to score them on a scale like 0 to 5 or 0 to 10. That way we could rank every single figure by how much we want it, and can see which are the overall most wanted by averaging all the scores. Just picking a top 5 doesn't work, because you may want more than 5 figures, or you may want 2 of them very badly but only lukewarm on the next 3. A complete scoring of all the figures gives us all the info we need.

[samantha]

No conspiracy, just extreme incompetence.

^^^^

[tycondrius]

you know what the mighty Hb need to do for wave 2 of those DG figures is take 6 of those figures form the un-produced cabinet and make them DG figures with the limit packaging and no FC. they would sell like hot cakes

[samantha]

you know what the mighty Hb need to do for wave 2 of those DG figures is take 6 of those figures form the un-produced cabinet and make them DG figures with the limit packaging and no FC. they would sell like hot cakes

That would be a great ideal but alas, like other have pointed out, it takes months to get the product produced and then shipped to retailers. I would love for them to listen to your sugjestion and actually do that. :)

[bossprime]

That new red ninja is pretty awesome. I assume it's supposed to be movie accurate like the other figures?

[Shin Densetsu]

http://www.hisstank.com/gi-joe-news/attach/1/004-retaliation-hasbro-display-saturday_1341080519.jpg
Ultimate Flint?

Also I just noticed the new Red Ninjas has rocker ankles and uses a Storm Shadow body as a base, legs look new..maybe that's the same mold that will be used for an accurate and/or"Ultimate" Storm Shadow?

[Animal Mother]

Still dont think they hit the mark when it comes to V2 SE. Has the same problem of being too skinny imo :(

[JediJones]

Its not my favorite answer, but what can we expect. Not like they are going to go to the warehouse and start cutting open tens of thousands of boxes to see what color figs are inside them.

I really can't imagine there are that many POC boxes left. Not to mention the boxes are date-stamped on the outside so it wouldn't be that hard to narrow down which boxes to look in. My best guess is Hasbro gave the order to change the figures over to repaints, but the factory never got the memo and kept producing the figures in the same colors. Given how Hasbro had 6 months this year to ship cases to retailers, most of whom often had empty pegs for much of the year, it's hard to believe they have any cases of POC left at all. I know some are still hitting Walgreen's though, so it's hard to know if those were in Hasbro's possession or had been warehoused by some kind of middleman distributor. But if even those cases don't have the repaints, it seems like we're running out of chances for these to turn up.

[zedhatch]

No conspiracy, just extreme incompetence.

Probably dead accurate.

[M_renegade]

http://www.hisstank.com/gi-joe-news/attach/1/004-retaliation-hasbro-display-saturday_1341080519.jpg
Ultimate Flint?

Also I just noticed the new Red Ninjas has rocker ankles and uses a Storm Shadow body as a base, legs look new..maybe that's the same mold that will be used for an accurate and/or"Ultimate" Storm Shadow?

Well, now that's a much better figure.
Not digging much the boobs of the suit tho. But a minor detail.

[RogueWingnut]

It was nice of them to address the DG situation.

[Steeler58]

The night landing set is cool, but the figure is way too big for the tiny raft. Not liking the core character clog that is going to happen in all waves. 2 FF's, 3 SE's, 2 Dukes, 2 RB's, & 2 SS's. Oh, well, I am done crying.

[zedhatch]

[QUOTE=big ape;3782746]
Whoever oversees the Joe line needs to go. "We made it, but we can't find it" is a poor excuse and worse if it's true.
QUOTE]

Its not my favorite answer, but what can we expect. Not like they are going to go to the warehouse and start cutting open tens of thousands of boxes to see what color figs are inside them.

Here's an even better question: WHAT ARE THEY DOING STILL IN THE WAREHOUSE!

Wasn't this the figures that were supposed to ship a year ago SPRING!? If they have tens of thousands of boxes and a ton of empty pegs (at least that is what I saw when I went looking for them last spring, this was over 6 states as well), then yeah there is a huge distro problem.

[zedhatch]

http://www.hisstank.com/gi-joe-news/attach/1/004-retaliation-hasbro-display-saturday_1341080519.jpg
Ultimate Flint?

Also I just noticed the new Red Ninjas has rocker ankles and uses a Storm Shadow body as a base, legs look new..maybe that's the same mold that will be used for an accurate and/or"Ultimate" Storm Shadow?

If so that is 1 million times better than the other version, needs his hat though.

[Nemesis*Prime]

Meh. Some interesting things but nothing to really stand up and shout about. The new Night Landing Craft looks nice but I can't imagine getting too many, especially with the crap looking Eel figure. The new COBRA Retaliation trooper however looks good and can see him being a nice addition.
TNI reported that the Alley-Viper might get a vest and if that's so, I might have to army build this version as well as the POC one. Maybe.
The vehicle reveal at SDCC should be interesting (as long as it's a piece of COBRA equipment).

[tycondrius]

wow I see no marking on that EEL it could even make a sweet torpedo update

[big ape]

[QUOTE=big ape;3782746]
Whoever oversees the Joe line needs to go. "We made it, but we can't find it" is a poor excuse and worse if it's true.
QUOTE]

Its not my favorite answer, but what can we expect. Not like they are going to go to the warehouse and start cutting open tens of thousands of boxes to see what color figs are inside them.

Oh I don't expect much in their answers, and I was including the dollar store figures in that too. Hasbro's boys division is just a total mess these days.

At least they didn't say "we like how fast the DG figures are selling and we're already shipping repaints and another wave on top of that". It's better not to compound the problem.

[tycondrius]

The vehicle reveal at SDCC should be interesting (as long as it's a piece of COBRA equipment).

good point where are the vheicles ? other then the ones in the dio display and the un made case ?

[ultramax]

blue balls till 03 2013

[big ape]

you know what the mighty Hb need to do for wave 2 of those DG figures is take 6 of those figures form the un-produced cabinet and make them DG figures with the limit packaging and no FC. they would sell like hot cakes

Dear God no. If they're going to make them, I want to have a chance at finding them.

[AirborneRigger]

Looks like Torpedo stole a Cobra Night Landing Craft! Overall, I really like these figures! Especially the paratrooper Flint!! I'll buy a bunch of those for the chutes!

[Crazy Legs]

1. Didnt Joe already had micro figures a while back?
2.Cobra Night Landing looks awesome.
3.All those ninja 3-packs look cool but the name is annoying.
4.wave 2 Flint still... wait he now looks like a micro figure with that huge-ass head.
5.Lady Jaye looks fine but the rest look dumb. Which is saying something since Jaye is just a repaint.
6. Night Viper was moved up several waves? YYYAAAAYYY!!!
7.The Ultimate figures actually look like GI JOE figures but with an ARP of 9.99 from Hasbro im afraid these things in store are going to sell for like 15 dollars around my parts.
8. I want Magic Mike Duke... well, im sure a custom will show up..
9.CG with customizable patches is AWESOME! Let's hope they are some good quality stickers and some some stuff that will fall off after a few months.

[Steeler58]

It's bummer that the good figures are coming in the later waves. We all know how that turns out. They either get cancelled or released in low quantities.

[Falcone]

I pray the Crimson Guard doesn't get cancelled before release, like so many other great figures. That new red ninja looks pretty awesome too.

TorpEELdo, Night Viper, and movie Jinx (for custom, since I'm not getting the exclusive) are also figures I really hope to see

[Troops of Doom]

It's bummer that the good figures are coming in the later waves. We all know how that turns out. They either get cancelled or released in low quantities.

This stuff should have been in the first wave, it's definitely a step up. Overall I think the Retaliation line is looking better. Flint looks awesome. Cobra Night Landing is something I wanted but missed out as a kid. Although I think they confused Torpedo for an Eel.

[tycondrius]

hey guys i know stupid question time but is there not a single new 12" joe being released ?

[Jay West]

They shouldn't have to apologize for their corporate overlords, and do you need them to tell you what you already know (that people want many, if not all of those figures)?

It's like no one on the Tank has a boss. Does everyone here get to do everything you want at work - heck no you don't. Like Jmacq said the dudes on the Joe design team and at the panel don't get to decided what is produced.

[Cobra Terrorist]

There's a bunch of cool stuff in there, especially the Cobra Combat Ninja and Night Landing!

I'm a bit underwhelmed by that CG, though. The boxy helmet looks "off" and it doesn't look like he has ankle articulation. Does he?


Oh, and I hope the production version of Ultimate Firefly doesn't have "1435" stamped into his forehead, lol.

[DrKain]

What, no "resurrected from the dead" Duke?

[Jay West]

I love the wave additions and re-arrangements!

This. I love what was in the concept case, but this stuff is cool too. I like the tweaks they have made. Good stuff and if we get most of this stuff then the Retaliation line is looking up.

[M_renegade]

I'm a bit underwhelmed by that CG, though. The boxy helmet looks "off" and it doesn't look like he has ankle articulation. Does he?

Yes, you can see them on the front.
Those are not rocker ankles, since he's mainly a kitbash and uses a comination of Wraith upper legs, with Range Viper legs.
Horrible.

[M_renegade]

What, no "resurrected from the dead" Duke?

Zombie figs got cancelled, man.

.

[Jay West]

Is this the "combat Ninja" figure with a cobra flag and grey/white camo with black head, because that is the closest one I have seen to what it being described

I think maybe the tag should have gone in front of the Red Ninja looking guy beside him.

[CobraCrimson]

Love the Viper! And Combat Ninja, Ultimate Firefly, Ultimate Duke and is that a parachutte with Flint (or whoever that is supposed to be)? Awesome!!!

Also the A.S.P. sticker on the side of the blue misille launcher with the Viper is cool too as is the Night Landing Craft with Eel and all the goodies in the trunk! Going to army build the crap out of the NLCs, even more so if the Eel is fully articulated! And those Vipers will be army built as well, going to be awesome.

[Cobra Terrorist]

Yes, you can see them on the front.
Those are not rocker ankles, since he's mainly a kitbash and uses a comination of Wraith upper legs, with Range Viper legs.
Horrible.

Gotcha - thanks.

Well, that's a plus I guess...

[CobraAce007]

GI Joe Mirco Force,
I think it will be neat to display in my office at work. I can see them on my shelf in my office. Yet, that depends on the price and availabilty of them and how good they look in person.

GI Joe single figures,
Wave 2
I will probably be getting only Flint and Road Block. The Snakes eyes is neat but I already have several Snake Eyes figures and do not need one more. Yet, this Snake Eyes is pretty good, so we shall see if I get him or not. Firefly, I would only want for the vehicle that comes with him. I have Wave 1 Roadblock aleady, and once I get Wave 2 RoadBlock, I will use the Wave 1 version as a GI Joe Greenshirt.

Wave 3
I am going to get pretty much everybody and will probably get a couple of two of them. It is a good wave. Joe Colton is a good likeness of Bruce Willis. So, it is a pretty good figure to have. The Alley Viper, would be a neat Crimson Guard Alley Viper, that is what I am going to use him as. The new ninja is pretty neat. I will probably get a couple of them. Lady Jay, looks like Scarlett with her hair color changed. So, she is a maybe right now.

Wave 4
I am definetly getting the Blind Master and Jinx. The Cyber Ninja I am unsure about because it is pretty much the wraith figure. So, it is pretty much Cobra's version of the accelerator suit. I personally prefer the Wraith being the only person using his gear. The Blind Master is pretty neat and it a cool figure. The mask is pretty neat. Jinx is cool, yet she reminds me of Agent Helix rather than Jinx. Yet, it is a pretty good figure.

Wave 5
Crimson Guard is a neat figure. I see him as an officer. That is want I will use him as. Since, I would prefer to use the Alley Vipers as normal Crimson Guard Soldiers. Yet, we will see. It is neat that you can customize him.

WAVE 2 Three Packs,
Definetly seeing myself getting them. All the figures are pretty good in them. Yet, I prefer the single Snakes Eyes to this Snake Eyes, yes he has tons of gear which makes him pretty cool. Airborne is pretty neat, and can be used with and without all his gear on as seen in the slide. Mouse is good, and will make a good extra GI Joe character. I agree with whoever said it, this is the best Firefly for this line. That is how you expect Firefly to look and he looks like he is ready for a mission. The Storm Shadow is probably the best Storm Shadow for the Movie lines and modern version of him. The Cobra Trooper is okay, same as the single trooper but with a color varation.

Ultmate Figures,
Please see my previosu post for FireFly, Cobra Eel, and Snake Eyes.
Duke is a pretty good figure, and the mini UAV makes him figure that I want to buy. The helmut makes it so you can use him as another GI Joe Character beisdes Duke. Makes me think that Hasbro should sell the Mini UAV and Hiss Tank on its own. The Night Viper is a pretty neat figure. From the slide one can customize the way he looks, which is cool. I am going to use him as a jungle trooper. The Snow Serpent, at least that is what I am assuming he is, is also a pretty good figure. I am going to buy this figure, when I usually do not buy single themed figures. His gear and uniform make him a pretty good figure. It looks like he is made from some shock trooper parts. The Cobra flag and the missile lanucher are good additions.

So, there my take on the new figures and as one can see I will be out on the hunt a lot next year. So, all in all i think Hasbro did a good job, and a better job then they did on Rise of Cobra.

[Parc Elohssa]

That Crimson Guard is so bought on sight.

[Crazy Legs]

Oh, and I hope the production version of Ultimate Firefly doesn't have "1435" stamped into his forehead, lol.

That's license plate disguise Firefly, man.

[Hrothmeir]

Now this is the toyline I've been waiting for! Now all I need is a repack of the Resolute Cobra Trooper, and I'll be happy!

[Jay West]

[QUOTE=Cdt Weasel;3782776]

Here's an even better question: WHAT ARE THEY DOING STILL IN THE WAREHOUSE!

Wasn't this the figures that were supposed to ship a year ago SPRING!? If they have tens of thousands of boxes and a ton of empty pegs (at least that is what I saw when I went looking for them last spring, this was over 6 states as well), then yeah there is a huge distro problem.

I would assume b/c no one (retailers) bought them or Hasbro highers ups did not want to sell them to retail.

[Jay West]

I'm a bit underwhelmed by that CG, though. The boxy helmet looks "off" and it doesn't look like he has ankle articulation. Does he?


.

I'm not as in love with it as others either, but I do like it.

[Jay West]

I bet the Eel changes before prodcution. That's so clearly a Torpedo look.

[Shin Densetsu]

In my Joeverse, Torpedo killed an eel and stole all his stuff. Problem solved.

[tycondrius]

Oh, and I hope the production version of Ultimate Firefly doesn't have "1435" stamped into his forehead, lol.

but thats his best feature :P

[luigi]

:D
SO AMAZING
i hope these get produced

[Shin Densetsu]

MICRO FORCE= waste of money.

http://www.hisstank.com/gi-joe-news/attach/1/024-retaliation-hasbro-display-saturday_1341079302.jpg

Hey that Eel has rocker ankles and possibly hinged wrists.

[tycondrius]

sweet jebus I just looked at that night landing set what the hecks he got stuffed in that crate !! lol

[Xenos]

I'm a bit underwhelmed by that CG, though. The boxy helmet looks "off" and it doesn't look like he has ankle articulation. Does he?


It looks like he has the Alley Viper legs, so I would assume he has ankle articulation.

[Fred Broca XIII]

I'm calling bullshit on that Ultimate Firefly and Snake Eyes...they should have named them something else...they made Ultimate Firefly and Snake Eyes for me with the POC versions...I'd be more excited about the Duke if it was anyone but Duke or Snake Eyes or Storm Shadow or Cobra Commander...I'm a little burned out on these characters getting the action figure spotlight every single wave...it's time to make some other character figures Hasbro, and exclusives don't count...

[MonkeyBoyZ]

All the later wave stuff has articulation. It looks like the reduced articulation was on the wave 1 non-movie accurate figures and vehicle drivers only. I guess it is time to start saving some money for February...

[TheSerpentKing]

That Ultimate Firefly and Viper just scream badassery.

[Shin Densetsu]

All the later wave stuff has articulation. It looks like the reduced articulation was on the wave 1 non-movie accurate figures and vehicle drivers only. I guess it is time to start saving some money for February...

Wave 2 Flint and Firefly still have reduced articulation.

[PhantomStranger]

I don't have many complaints about the figures I'm seeing.

I"ll probably still be selective about what I want, I don't have a desire for ultimate Snake-eyes for example. But the Eel? I love freaking love Cobra Eels and I will definitely be buying that, hell I'll buy eight if I can.

[tycondrius]

I wonder if this Toyfair vehicle will aslo include a craptastic driver :P

[Tony_Bacala]

Official Images of Retaliation Wave 3 4 and 5 + - GI Joe News (http://www.hisstank.com/gi-joe-news/gi-joe-movie-2/official-images-of-retaliation-wave-3-4-and-5--11485/)

Official images of the stuff we saw earlier.

[Cobra Terrorist]

Official Images of Retaliation Wave 3 4 and 5 + - GI Joe News (http://www.hisstank.com/gi-joe-news/gi-joe-movie-2/official-images-of-retaliation-wave-3-4-and-5--11485/)

Official images of the stuff we saw earlier.

Gahhhdamn, man. Look at all the gear that Night Landing comes with. That is awesome! It's like a vehicle and accessory pack all in one.

I can see myself buying 4-5 of those.

[Xenos]

It's interesting that a lot of the zombie and ninja ideas they had for the 30th series made it into the micro figures.

[BCYOJOE]

"G.I. Joe: Micro Force - Gotta Catch 'Em All" :D

[PhantomStranger]

Official Images of Retaliation Wave 3 4 and 5 + - GI Joe News (http://www.hisstank.com/gi-joe-news/gi-joe-movie-2/official-images-of-retaliation-wave-3-4-and-5--11485/)

Official images of the stuff we saw earlier.


Wait a sec... Those images of Snake-eyes in the three pack show him with his Commando head. I thought he only came with the visor?

Does he come with two heads in the pack or what? Or did I miss something?

Because up until now I've only seen the Visor headed version.

[Zombie F Body]

I found the Night Landing at an out of the way Long's drug store in the late 80s and loved that thing to death. Will gladly buy this, but my 25th Eel will be manning it! 3-pack Firefly and Ultimate (figured they'd take a page from the Avengers and do SA versions after you bought the mildly articulated versions) 1985 SEs are must owns too. Still doesn't relieve the sting of the vault figures, I don't think anything will. Can't wait for the panel for an explanation. The only thing that can actually make that reveal not hurt in my eyes is if they say surprise, this is our late 2013-2014 line!

[Xenos]

I found the Night Landing at an out of the way Long's drug store in the late 80s and loved that thing to death. Will gladly buy this, but my 25th Eel will be manning it! 3-pack Firefly and Ultimate (figured they'd take a page from the Avengers and do SA versions after you bought the mildly articulated versions) 1985 SEs are must owns too. Still doesn't relieve the sting of the vault figures, I don't think anything will. Can't wait for the panel for an explanation. The only thing that can actually make that reveal not hurt in my eyes is if they say surprise, this is our late 2013-2014 line!

I think the explanation is that they always design more figures then they release, and they just decided to show off some of those ones that didn't make the cut. I would guess that the majority of these never got as far as having a a wave planned for them, or even got the "ok" for production.

[Zombie F Body]

Too true, Xenos. Probably retailers had visions of a big summer blockbuster too. 25th got pre-empted too right before the movie, and some of those did make it out in the Cobra Island sets.

We're seeing a lot of ARAH redos (3-pack Firefly, Ultimate Snake Eyes, etc). Flint and Lady Jaye will be in the kiddies minds after the movie so I can kinda see a few slipping out in whatever post movie line we get.

[ryogam]

So, wave 2 of the DG Joes are on hold because no one can find wave 1? Great. But the reason why no retailer but DG is buying the DG Joes is because the idiots in Hasbro marketing treat the DG Joes like they are crap. They don't talk about them unless asked. They don't display them at Toyfair, JoeConn or SDCC. The don't send pictures of them out to the Joe websites. They treated them like no one at Hasbro cared or wanted them to be bought by distributors, and, surprise!, no distributor but DG bought them, so now, only a few people have them and wave 2 is "on hold." Your marketing idiots created the problem of lack of interest on the part of distributors, and you are too dim to even see how to fix it. And then you create a micro-joe line. You're idiots.

[Troops of Doom]

Has anyone at the Con asked Hasbro about the new hip joints on the Crimson Guard and Night-Viper?

Don't know if this has been mentioned before, I haven't read every post, I can't keep up.

[Zombie F Body]

Those hips do look kinda like the Amazon Ninjas, huh?

[JediJones]

The other problem with the Blowtorch/Croc story is that each of those figures shipped in a SEPARATE case assortment. No one ever sold an assortment with them together. So we either have to believe there is a lost "revision case" with both variants combined in it that was never solicited to any store anywhere, or we have to believe that both those assortments had later production runs that both got lost in a warehouse somewhere. It's one thing to imagine that happening on one production run, but two entirely separate production runs both getting totally lost seems a lot more unlikely.

[Xenos]

Has anyone at the Con asked Hasbro about the new hip joints on the Crimson Guard and Night-Viper?

Don't know if this has been mentioned before, I haven't read every post, I can't keep up.

Those hips do look kinda like the Amazon Ninjas, huh?

I hadn't noticed that. I didn't get the Amazon packs so I don't first hand experience with them, but I can't stand the hips on the Marvel figs. I hope we aren't seeing the end of the T-bar.

[Zombie F Body]

Are they saying the variant Blowtorch/PP Croc actually made it to production, now?

I personally like the ML style hip. After adding the BJ wrists this is the only other area to go, assuming they want to keep upping articulation. The new SW figures are come standard with more articulation than the premium figures of 5-7-years ago. Progress Hasbro! I can forgive movie figures getting hacked.

[Nightrain]

It's like no one on the Tank has a boss. Does everyone here get to do everything you want at work - heck no you don't. Like Jmacq said the dudes on the Joe design team and at the panel don't get to decided what is produced.

I've apologized many times for the incompetence of bosses. It's simple courtesy.

[JediJones]

Flint and Lady Jaye will be in the kiddies minds after the movie so I can kinda see a few slipping out in whatever post movie line we get.

Someone already pointed out one of those "concept figures" had a Retaliation body. So I think people are misunderstanding what those are. Some of these may have indeed been prototypes for a 2013 line to follow the movie line actually conceived after the movie line was made. Some like the Zombie and Renegades stuff probably would have been made in the 6-month window that Paramount forced Hasbro to wipe clean of new Joe releases. But I think this isn't so much all "cancelled concepts" but concepts floating around at Hasbro that could still be produced after the movie line or given the right opportunity. I think they're being sincere when they say they want us to tell them which ones we like the best.

[Zombie F Body]

Last boss I had to call sir! He was an idiot! I actually ran the section I just got a useless company commander that no one else wanted!

[JediJones]

3-pack Firefly and Ultimate (figured they'd take a page from the Avengers and do SA versions after you bought the mildly articulated versions) 1985 SEs are must owns too.

I think this could make sense as a business plan for the movie lines. The labor costs on highly articulated figures probably make it expensive to produce those figures in mass quantities, because all those parts have to be assembled together. So it makes sense to cut articulation in the mass-produced early movie waves and then up the articulation in the later waves that are not produced as heavily.

[Zombie F Body]

And it works too. I just snapped up the first Mark VII IM after I finally found Black Widow and Hawkeye and decided to collect the line. I'll be buying the SA version too in a few months! And going back to the Vault figures, some have pointed out that figures like Flint and LJ are minor improvements, my buying strategy is to always upgrade. If a figure offers more in my eyes than the last version, it's bought. SW fans hate the new Bespin Han due to the lack of some minor details but he blows the POTF2 and POTJ versions out the water, no brainer, and so-called green Tarkin, fuhgetaboutit!

And pretty much anything using Flint arms needs redone (Night Creeper!!)

[ryogam]

Also, while my blood is up, if Hasbro wants to get the DG Joes in the hands of customers, and no retailers want to carry them, then go DTC. Why Hasbro is passing up an opportunity to make money off these guaranteed to sell figures, I do not understand.

[Troops of Doom]

The Micro Force figures suck but I'm sure everyone will love them because they have stands.

[Zombie F Body]

I see kids go nuts over those SW Pods and TF Bot Shots so I'm sure they have an audience.

[Dake]

I'm sorry, but every time I look at the new CG I see this:

http://static4.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/or+this+is+good+too+_57a22fb5046cfa98ea6e839feca07 4d8.jpg

It's just too big, too "special" looking; the proportions are off.

And his legs are too skinny.

[Playful]

Has anybody else commented yet that many of the G.I. Joe Micro Force figurines are miniatures of characters seen in the G.I. Joe Concept Vault Ninja action figures which are supposedly cancelled or delayed?

Maybe these characters are planned to come out later next year, and we are only being told that they are not (to test the waters and see if we want them).

Otherwise, why even include them with Micro Force at all?

[sithewok]

Yes! Iceberg from the club next year! Another of my faves knocked off the list.

[Xenos]

Has anybody else commented yet that many of the G.I. Joe Micro Force figurines are miniatures of characters seen in the G.I. Joe Concept Vault Ninja action figures which are supposedly cancelled or delayed?

Maybe these characters are planned to come out later next year, and we are only being told that they are not (to test the waters and see if we want them).

Otherwise, why even include them with Micro Force at all?

I was wondering the same thing. I figure they were probably designing them all at the same time, but only the micro figures got the green light.

[Jmacq1]

Did I miss something, or did they sneak in an "Ultimate (movie) Flint" and "Ultimate Roadblock" next to that "Ultimate Duke?"

At the very least that's not the first Flint. Different deco, comes with a parachute, and more articulation.

[sithewok]

Not surprised Dragonsky will be coming from the club as well, considering he was in the con comic. Will be interesting to see who else falls into the second set of club sub figures...

Edit: Big Bear, too! Sweet! and Night Force Falcon... Meh. Hopefully, it is a new kitbash and not the one that some carded samples of slipped out.

[Playful]

Did I miss something, or did they sneak in an "Ultimate (movie) Flint" and "Ultimate Roadblock" next to that "Ultimate Duke?"

At the very least that's not the first Flint. Different deco, comes with a parachute, and more articulation.

I was told they were placed in the display case by accident, and have already been quickly removed. I am glad the photos are up on this website for us to see now, instead of in February.

[big ape]

I was told they were placed in the display case by accident, and have already been quickly removed. I am glad the photos are up on this website for us to see now, instead of in February.

Were they meant for February reveal? Why bring them at all then? But yeah, I'm glad we got pics. Anymore pics of that Roadblock?

[sithewok]

Hopefully, the later Roadblock figures don't pegwarm as badly as the wave one version. One target nearby had 8 of him and no one else last time I went through.

[jeff117]

Hasbro has confirmed that the variant Croc Master and Blowtorch WERE made but they don't know where they went or what happened to them.

i'm not one to say negative things on forums, but this is getting old, very old . move on.

[Talisman]

I think I'll just army build a whole bunch of Steel Brigades. And judging by the reaction from this thread, I'll have no problem doing so!

[Jmacq1]

Looks like there's a "movie accurate" Red Ninja that they didn't show int he panel, too.

[Jmacq1]

Hopefully, the later Roadblock figures don't pegwarm as badly as the wave one version. One target nearby had 8 of him and no one else last time I went through.

Apparently some parents are seeing his hand and wondering if it's some kind of defect.

No, I'm not kidding.

[Xenos]

Apparently some parents are seeing his hand and wondering if it's some kind of defect.

No, I'm not kidding.

Where did you hear that?

[CrimsonGuard101]

wow why couldn't we get this stuff with wave 1? this stuff makes wave 1 look like total garbage lol...wtf...going to be an expensive year next year...only saving grace was it did end up getting delayed...let me spend a little more for the con stuff...but oh nelly next year is going to be evil to the pocket book lol

The invasion trooper is pure win!

[Xenos]

Did I miss something, or did they sneak in an "Ultimate (movie) Flint" and "Ultimate Roadblock" next to that "Ultimate Duke?"

At the very least that's not the first Flint. Different deco, comes with a parachute, and more articulation.

When I first went through the pictures I thought that was just wave 2 Roadblock, but you're right, it is a different figure. I guess it is an "ultimate" figure. Looks cool.

[obiwanie]

Thank you Hasbro for giving us what we want

[MFJayman]

The best way to do that would be to have a full list of the [Concept Vault] figures and allow us to score them on a scale like 0 to 5 or 0 to 10. That way we could rank every single figure by how much we want it, and can see which are the overall most wanted by averaging all the scores. Just picking a top 5 doesn't work, because you may want more than 5 figures, or you may want 2 of them very badly but only lukewarm on the next 3. A complete scoring of all the figures gives us all the info we need.

Good idea. Something like this should be set up before the end of the weekend, I'd say. Something like:

1. Flint -
2. Beachhead -
3. Laser Viper -
4. HEAT Viper -
etc, etc...

Then the poster will copy and past that original list, entering in their scores (1-10)

1. Flint 7
2. Beachhead 8
3. Laser Viper 9
4. HEAT Viper 6
etc, etc...

Something like that. Though I suppose one person posting multiple times could be an issue.

Also, what's to stop someone from saying "I want it all equally! 10 10 10 10....

[Xenos]

We should have a March Madness-like bracket for all of the figures in the display case to see which ones are the most wanted.

[Sciencefriction]

Oh man, oh man, oh man, oh man, oh man!!! So much awesome stuff, man Hasbro, you sure pulled out the stops. I'm loving the new screen accurate figures; Flint, Duke, and the Cobra Trooper are killer!!!!! That's just what I wanted (I love the web gear & G3 uniforms).

The concept stuff kills me, all of that great stuff cancelled. The 30th style "Zombie" Commander hurts the worst, that would have been a perfect update for him, what an awesome body sculpt.

Just charge me whatever you want Hasbro, don't cut any accessories, articulation, or figures (looking at that Eel). Just sell them to me, I'll pay WHATEVER!

[CobraResolute]

The Ultimate Movie Duke, Firefly and Cobra Trooper are what we should have had for Wave 1 Retaliation. There had BETTER be an Ultimate Movie Accurate Cobra Commander at Toy Fair!

[Jmacq1]

Where did you hear that?

Here, actually. Can't recall which thread it was in, though.

[Sciencefriction]

The Ultimate Movie Duke, Firefly and Cobra Trooper are what we should have had for Wave 1 Retaliation. There had BETTER be an Ultimate Movie Accurate Cobra Commander at Toy Fair!

I hope so! Cobra Commander is my last hold though (though Firefly still isn't really "Screen" accurate). I'm loving all that I'm seeing though, I'm really glad to see what Hasbro has in store.

[fireflyguy]

Yes!!!!!!! Ultimate FF!!!!! And I want the night landing!!!!!!! And I want the micro figures!!!!!!!!

[Jay West]

I've apologized many times for the incompetence of bosses. It's simple courtesy.

In a public forum that is going to be put on the internet, it's a sure fire way to get fired.

[fireflyguy]

Oh my gosh! They actually made a Duke that I want!!!!! And I've gotta get at least 2 of the night landing!!!!

[Jay West]

Did anyone ask if the Wave 1 stuff is going to be re-released in February? Non of it is screen accurate so we really don't need to see it again do we?

[MFJayman]

Firefly from the 3-pack is more "ultimate" than the official ultimate version.


I agree. Hasbro’s use of the label “Ultimate” seems…off.

I was under the impression that it was, until now, an informal label used by the fandom to describe a particularly high-quality definitive update to a classic character design (POC wv 3 SE, Renegades SS, perhaps 30th Viper and Cobra Trooper); with the added criteria that it is a very popular or important character that has already had numerous ME figures (Duke, SE, SS, CC, Flint, Firefly, etc.) that just didn’t quite get it right, particularly during the 25th line.

I mean, until now, has Hasbro itself actually labeled any figure “Ultimate”? Certainly not POC wv 3 SE or Renegades SS, right? Those figures were bestowed the honorary title of Ultimate by the fandom, once enough people had them in hand to form a consensus about them. That was what was special about it.

[kennywr22]

Wave 1 is getting re released.

[Nightrain]

In a public forum that is going to be put on the internet, it's a sure fire way to get fired.

A JoeCon panel is about the least public forum to apologize to fans.

[Jay West]

A JoeCon panel is about the least public forum to apologize to fans.

At the International GI Joe Convention, the Joe team is going to sell out their bosses on an official panel? Uh ok.

[Jay West]

Wave 1 is getting re released.

That's too bad. Hopefully wave 2 hits quickly after that, b/c I gotta believe wave 1 peg rots when re-released.

[Waspinator]

Pics aand juicy info from the insider's guide

RE: Dollar Joes

Hasbro frustrated that even they cannot get them in RI so they are examining and brainstorming expanding availability for them. Sounds like it won't be easy but they are going to try. They said they won't do a wave 2 anytime soon because they feel bad that people cannot even find wave 1 yet. NO word on repaints.

Wow.. You know the distribution issues are at record high awful when even the manufacture cannot find them in the store. I hope Hasbro realizes it's not just these, it's Marvel, Star Wars, and everything else.

[Nightrain]

At the International GI Joe Convention, the Joe team is going to sell out their bosses on an official panel? Uh ok.

Your hyperbole over this is out of control. "Sell out"? Are you serious bro?

[Crimson Rage]

Those mini-figures are like Katy Perry: Cute but ultimately worthless.

[Jay West]

So is the Night Landing joining the Cycles in wave 1 or is it in a 2 wave of Alpha vehicles?

Also I guess if all goes to plan we will see the rest of wave 5 at SDCC or most likely toyfair?

[luigi]

micro line=combat heroes

[ROC Solid Snake]

Those mini-figs are going to clog up pegs and prevent the quick restocking of BETTER product.

[Jay West]

Your hyperbole over this is out of control. "Sell out"? Are you serious bro?

Absolutely. I'm not going waste anymore space on this. Any employee at a national convention who says "yep, our bosses or our business partners screwed up, and they made terrible mistakes and we are so sorry" are going to be in a great deal of trouble.

[IIIzoeIII]

these are at least a step up from the other RET figures...

[Ixz72]

Loving the "Ultimates" and the GI Joe Assault Three-Pack. I hope HASBRO will not be a douche about it and cancel the line.

[tycondrius]

I really hope theres more vehicles other then that night craft i know thats awesome but como'n wheres out joe vehicle fix?

[Cdt Weasel]

Wave 1 is getting re released.

Then we will probably never see wave 3 and wave 4 will never show up at retail.

[JediJones]

I was wondering the same thing. I figure they were probably designing them all at the same time, but only the micro figures got the green light.

Well, these "concept" figures probably WOULD have come out next year. It's only Paramount delaying the movie that pushed them off the schedule. And Hasbro has no lead time to get them out this year, which there is no doubt they would want to do if they could. But since there isn't a dedicated Micro line to the movie and it's just a mix of movie and non-movie characters, Hasbro has no reason to delay the Micro line past next year, other than the awkwardness of debuting new characters in an odd format.

[Saboteur]

Then we will probably never see wave 3 and wave 4 will never show up at retail.

Alas, this is correct. Wave 4 will either be cancelled, (and featured in next years JoeCon's see-what-you-could've-had-but-not-now) or sent to discount retailers like TJ Maxx and Ross much like the ROC line did.

In any case, folks would do themselves a favor by not getting attached to anything shown today.

[ero]

I will buy the Cobra Night Landing- it is '80's awesomeness.


Is this the same mold as the ARAH version?

Well for everyone beautiful amazing concept figure, there was probably 10 stinkers and Arctic Destro...

I wish we could leave Arctic Destro alone. Everyone actually liked him when we first saw him.

All this is pretty underwhelming. I didn't plan on doing much with the movie line, but I expected at least a nugget or two, and now I find myself trying to get excited over ... another v2 Snake Eyes?

[tycondrius]

would this sum up the con :P Animals - House Of The Rising Sun - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwAw9ThDQmk&feature=related)

[Saboteur]

would this sum up the con :P

No. That pretty much sums up G I Joe in general.

[Nemesis*Prime]

would this sum up the con :P Animals - House Of The Rising Sun - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwAw9ThDQmk&feature=related)

I think you hit the nail right on the head. Either ^ or a picture of a bomb with a lit fuse that just fizzles out. Basically what they're saying is that we've got zero to look forward to until next year, unless they pull a surprise out of left field (7 pack anyone).

[JediJones]

Then the poster will copy and past that original list, entering in their scores (1-10)

Also, what's to stop someone from saying "I want it all equally! 10 10 10 10....

That is totally okay. That person just has to realize that means they aren't going to help break a tie on a figure. If they truly want them all equally, that shouldn't matter to them. But if Flint and HEAT Viper end up with the same score, this person could have made the difference by giving one a lower score. It is in the voter's best interest to make sure he gives a higher score to figures he wants MORE than other figures. But if he wants them all equally, it's fair to score them all equally.

[Jay West]

I wish we could leave Arctic Destro alone. Everyone actually liked him when we first saw him.

LOL. I just decided I needed one the other day. He wasn't that bad there where just to many of him.

[Nightrain]

Alas, this is correct. Wave 4 will either be cancelled, (and featured in next years JoeCon's see-what-you-could've-had-but-not-now) or sent to discount retailers like TJ Maxx and Ross much like the ROC line did.

I can't wait for people to say "Hasbro is holding this wave hostage because you didn't buy enough first wave shit". It will somehow be our fault.

[JediJones]

Did anyone ask if the Wave 1 stuff is going to be re-released in February? Non of it is screen accurate so we really don't need to see it again do we?

Since wave 2 cases are presumably already produced (we actually heard wave 3 cases were already produced on these forums too), those cases include repacks of wave 1. So I think we're going to see those figures again.

My Black Widow Wave 3 Avengers figure was made at the end of March, over a month before the movie came out. So it's a definite at least Wave 2 cases have already been produced with those Wave 1 repacks.

[Saboteur]

I can't wait for people to say "Hasbro is holding this wave hostage because you didn't buy enough first wave shit". It will somehow be our fault.

Joe has been on a steady decline since 2009 with the advent of Rise Of Cobra. There have been some real gems in the line since then, but the brand took a hit that it never really fully recovered from.

There will always be the doom and gloom guys who lack logic such as blaming Hasbro for things like Paramount pushing back the movie and then there will always be the "spin" guys who always see everything in a positive light and find a way to convince themselves the light at the end of the tunnel is just around the next corner. That, it doesn't matter what Hasbro didn't release because they just weren't that good anyway, and JoeCon wasn't all that great, but just wait and see, SDCC will revive the brand, etc.

No one here can be blamed for the later waves not making it to retail. Anyone who tells you that is competely full of shit. You're the last person anyone can blame for the failure of a line since you're actually purchasing it. As opposed to everyone else, adults and kids alike aren't buying it.