Are we as Joe fans really ready for a new USS FLAGG?

[takedown]

Are we as Joe fans really ready for a new USS Flagg? Or would we just complain even more if we got it?

Today, I did some rough estimates, calculating about how big a real USS Flagg would be in scale. If Hasbro made a USS Flagg most of us wouldnt be happy. If we consider the USS Flagg to be 330 meters. Basically the length of a 80's time period Forrestal, Enterprise or Nimtz Class Aircraft Carrier.

-A 1:18th scale Flagg (old Joe scale) would be a little over 60 feet in length.
-A 1:25th scale Flagg would be about 43 feet in length.
-A 1:72nd scale Flagg would be about 15 feet in length.
-A 1:87th scale Flagg (HO train scale) would be 12 feet and 4 inches.
-A 1:144th scale Flagg would be 7.5 feet in length.
-A 1:160th scale Flagg (N scale) would be just under 6 feet 10 inches.

Would we be happy with a 1:144th scale GI Joe Flagg for use with 1:16th-1:18th scale Joes? Our best bet would be to find an ARAH Joe Flagg Carrier and refit and remold the island. Then, resize 4 aircraft elevators. Finally, get about 40 1:144th scale F-14 Tomcats and 20 AH-1 Cobra Helicopters.

I say, lets see about making dioramas to include N scale (1:160) and 1:144th scale vehicles, to show we mean business about having another CV(N)-99 USS Flagg. Because, if we dont, they will make another Flagg but it will be much smaller.

[Lody]

Nope...we aren't ready

[netowolf]

our pockets aren´t ready.....

[Fire_Fly]

waste of money and time when hasbro can make better figures and vehicles

[AlecZeal1989]

I still don't understand the obsession over a "new" Flagg. I'm pretty sure most of us could make our own for much cheaper than Hasbro would ever sell.

[spiderpumpkin]

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[mattymatt]

Id like to see something more along the lines of the US Navy LCS maybe with a rear flight deck big enough for some ghosthawks and a big main gun on the bow.

[Headman]

I'm having a hard enough time finding a way to display my vintage flagg. As far as a playset goes it really sucks having to build it every time someone wants to play with it.

[Shin Densetsu]

I wish but we aren't.

[samantha]

I have a Flagg so I wouldn't buy a new one. The one I have is fine by me. :) Lets see new figures. :D

[CVdelgado]

we should just buy up the remaining arah flags. they aint making a new one. ill prolly get one some day. i thought i wouldnt, but now i feel like i should...

[fireflyguy]

I have no desire for a Flagg, old or new. It just isn't my thing. Yeah, it's cool, and yeah, back in the days wanted one, but it's just not for me. Like many of you, I wanna see more PoC type figures and some other vehicles.

[takedown]

Id like to see something more along the lines of the US Navy LCS maybe with a rear flight deck big enough for some ghosthawks and a big main gun on the bow.

My vote, if votes would count, would be for an LCS type ship, maybe 3 to 4 feet long?

[CG82]

Flagg was cool and I have a lot of fond of my memories of playing with as a kid(sadly my father threw it out sometime in the mid 90's to make room for hs hobbies in the basement) but I rather have a 7 foot long Star Destroyer as an adult collector in its place.

[Owner of a Lonely B.A.T.]

The Flagg is part of what I call my Trilogy of disappointing vehicles.

-The Flagg
Way too large, I honestly can't even display mine. And its more or less a shell anyway.

-Terrordrome
Its not a horrible playset, but its a lot smaller than I imagined, and the silo takes up a lot of room.

-WHale
WAYYYYYYY too many fragile parts, I mean its a cool vehicle just fragile as hell.

Almost a Quadrilogy with the Defiant, as it has some serious fragility to it as well mostly in the crawler, but its actually otherwise a really cool playset / vehicle.



Pound for pound my favorite vehicles are Rolling Thunder and the General...solid playsets great sizes.

[Flint Faireborn]

Never going to happen... The avengers helicarrier which is less than half the size as the original Flagg isn't even being released at retail.

[fireflyguy]

The Flagg is part of what I call my Trilogy of disappointing vehicles.

-The Flagg
Way too large, I honestly can't even display mine. And its more or less a shell anyway.

-Terrordrome
Its not a horrible playset, but its a lot smaller than I imagined, and the silo takes up a lot of room.

-WHale
WAYYYYYYY too many fragile parts, I mean its a cool vehicle just fragile as hell.

Almost a Quadrilogy with the Defiant, as it has some serious fragility to it as well mostly in the crawler, but its actually otherwise a really cool playset / vehicle.



Pound for pound my favorite vehicles are Rolling Thunder and the General...solid playsets great sizes.

I actually pretty much agree with you on your trilogy. the Flagg, while huge, is still under scale and you're right about it being a shell. I like the TD, and still kinda want one, but agree that the silo could have been omitted and some other cool play feature could've been added. And I LOVE the Whale, but it's got so many fragile parts. I wish they'd update it with some new plastic or something.

I just about bought a Rolling Thunder to customize as a troop transport. Seems like a good vehicle.

[Breakerfan]

Quite frankly, NO.

[CG82]

If they re-released the original I would buy it though. But am not paying ebay prices for it. The terrordrome was nice for its day but small and the opened top always annoyed me even as a kid.

[FlintWO2]

I never had the Flagg as a kid, I still don't have one now. A friend of mine had one and I had a lot of fun playing with it as a kid. But, let's face it, the world has changed. Kids are now inundated with with toy lines, video games, tech gadgets, etc. Something like the Flagg is just not going to happen with petroleum prices, retailers constantly trying to downsize areas for specific toy lines, etc. I loved the 1980's, it was a great decade when Star Wars, G.I. Joe, & Transformers ruled. Where you could have a 7 foot long vehicle/playset be viable. But the world has changed, marketing has changed, and the way most kids( our kids as collectors are usually exceptions, because they are exposed to all our great stuff ) play has changed.

[DaveViper]

I have a Flagg so I wouldn't buy a new one. The one I have is fine by me. :) Lets see new figures. :D

Same here, I agree with this and how about smaller vehicles like a killer whale or a new tomahawk.

[fireflyguy]

Same here, I agree with this and how about smaller vehicles like a killer whale or a new tomahawk.

I'd love a new Tomahawk as well. That and the whale are in my top 3 favorite vehicles.

[Dunedain]

I have just about every playset that i want. Terrordrome, general, rolling thunders, a defiant and i love em all. To me the defiant and terrordrome are awesome. I can afford and have had the means to get a flagg but its just not for me. I look at it, like a few that have said here, as just a giant hunk of plastic or "shell". I appreciate the "epicness" of it being a near 7 foot toy and i understand the nostalgic value it has for many. It was awesome for kids at the time but coming from an adult now who collects gi joe playsets, its just not for me.

[CobraOfficer999]

Only if it were 1:18th scale and cast in steel by hasbro Subsidiary Tonka. Then it would be worth it.

[takedown]

Only if it were 1:18th scale and cast in steel by hasbro Subsidiary Tonka. Then it would be worth it.

Exactly! A 60 foot ship, you could live on it.... lol

[CobraOfficer999]

Exactly! A 60 foot ship, you could live on it.... lol

Yeah..the only question is, how much would a 60 Ft. long Tonka Steel ship set you back?

[ShockVal]

I'm not ready. I don't even have room for the Foosball table I want much less a 7' toy my wife would either burn or bash with a bat once I put it in the living room.

(foosball is for the Devil!)

[ShockVal]

I have a Flagg so I wouldn't buy a new one. The one I have is fine by me. :) Lets see new figures. :D

Same here, I agree with this and how about smaller vehicles like a killer whale or a new tomahawk.

No Dave, she said figures! :D Whales and Tomahawks take up too much space too. But oooohh I might find the room for them.

[KingBiohazerd]

No everyone would wait for it to go on clearance or Ross. There would only be a few hardcore collectors myself include that would buy one at regular retail price. Your talking to collectors who wouldn't buy the skystriker. That they begged for years to get. Who also bitch about 6.00 Dollar General figuers. So clearly no we are not ready for a Flagg.

[Life4Dreadnok]

No everyone would wait for it to go on clearance or Ross. There would only be a few hardcore collectors myself include that would buy one at regular retail price. Your talking to collectors who wouldn't buy the skystriker. That they begged for years to get. Who also bitch about 6.00 Dollar General figuers. So clearly no we are not ready for a Flagg.

Personally I thought the Skystriker was a very weak attempt at recreating the original. The original smoked it. I think collectors, who probably already had the original, or at least dreamed of owning one, were very disappointed by what Hasbro released.

I don't know what a $6 Dollar General Figure is. But if you are talking about the new movie figures, yeah I won't pay $6 for that dreck.

[mattymatt]

Never going to happen... The avengers helicarrier which is less than half the size as the original Flagg isn't even being released at retail.

you can order it from tru.com though

[ShockVal]

He speaks of the $6 Dollar General Joes: Duke, SE, SS, CC, Shippy, and Cobra Trooper.

[Storm]

I would like to see new one but we are not ready. It will end up like RoC PIT. If they relase it it will be for sure overpriced and not worth those money. So at this point where G.I.Joe brand is now its better for Hasbro and us collectors to invest those money in more PoC/30th style figures.

[SteelersMobat]

Yeah..the only question is, how much would a 60 Ft. long Tonka Steel ship set you back?

I'm guessing about the price of a quality preowned 20ft long piece of steel from General Motors.

[Hawkeye]

On the fence.

I might buy a reissue of the original one IF Hasbro decided to make it, mostly because I can afford it and have the room right now. But I tend to move a lot. I don't want to have to move it and if I have to move into someplace smaller, well...that would suck.

[Superjoe74]

If it was an entirely new design I might buy it. It would depend on the actual product itself.
I have an original Flagg and it's one of my favorites. If Hasbro reissued it, I might buy it just for the fun of opening and building it. But, again, it would depend on the actual product. If the reissue was a 'funky' recolor I would probably not buy it.

[cgcommando]

I probably wouldn't get it. I currently have no space and my vintage one is in storage with most of my vintage vehicles. I would like to see hasbro (or a third party) make an upgrade kit to modernize the existing Flagg and allow modern figs to fit.

[Slim]

I think their are some diehards around who would hate whatever was put out.

I don't think we need a flagg, yet. I think we do need a few(maybe 3) large aerial or marine playset 5 to 6.5ft long. They don't all need to be mothership types either. Maybe room enough to store 2 fang boats or 4 smaller alpha size vehicles.

Because I'd want it to have seperate single man deployable subs/fighters as well. It should have weapon storage, figure storage in the form of clever bunks. A command center complete with war room and a weapons area is a must.... I guess what I'm getting at is I don't need it to be huge. I got the room for huge but I'd settle for a smaller toy that was more functional instead of just size. I can see me and the kids having more fun with that instead of a huge flagg.

Give me a experimental type battleship or a redone Tactical battle platform that expands out like the mobile command center(improved though).

[minstrelboy]

No. We're not, retail is not, Hasbro is not. They need to sort out whatever issues they have with production and distribution.

However, IF it were released, then I think it would best be sold in individual stand-alone playset sections to make your own custom sized Flagg; the tower would be separate, there would be three different styles of flight deck with different accessories and a front and rear section. Set the price point at around $20-40 each and depending on how big you wanted to make it, you could own a Flagg for around $170.


Or we could come up with this on our own as a community. The talent is there if we could find a manufacturer to produce it at a reasonable cost.

[ndb]

Nope, not ready. Won't be for a while.

[DarkHorse]

I sold my vintage one, and don't regret it. I think if they released a new one, it would be that piece of fucking shit you can see in th decommisioned files.

If they retooled the vintage one like the Water Mocassin and Skystriker, I'd buy one but probably never open it.

[Starfighter]

I would love the U.S.S. Flagg, but I would like the ret of the A.R.A.H. figures through 1991 first.

[DaveViper]

you can order it from tru.com though

He speaks of the $6 Dollar General Joes: Duke, SE, SS, CC, Shippy, and Cobra Trooper.

???

Ok no new Flagg for me, new figures and new vehicles. Give us a Whale and Tomahawk please Hasbro :)

[OreoBuilder]

If they re-released the original I would buy it though. But am not paying ebay prices for it. The terrordrome was nice for its day but small and the opened top always annoyed me even as a kid.

A re-release version would probably cost the same as the vintage ones on Ebay...

OB

[OreoBuilder]

However, IF it were released, then I think it would best be sold in individual stand-alone playset sections to make your own custom sized Flagg; the tower would be separate, there would be three different styles of flight deck with different accessories and a front and rear section. Set the price point at around $20-40 each and depending on how big you wanted to make it, you could own a Flagg for around $170.




Not to burst your bubble, but every time this suggestion comes up, I can't help but remember the giant clusterf*ck that was the MASS device. Until Hasbro/retailers dramatically improve their distribution, the Build-a-whatever is always doomed to be an exercice in frustration.

OB

[crock master]

i dont really care if we get a new one or not. i wouldnt buy it.

[Lantern_Lad]

I have a Flagg so I wouldn't buy a new one. The one I have is fine by me. :) Lets see new figures. :D

Ditto

[wormser]

no way the new flagg would be successful. but i do think a new headquaters or terrordrome or even some kind of drednok hang out would be cool. playsets are over looked

[ChadVamp]

Personally I think he Flagg is played out, it was too big to enjoy back in the day, and now it's just impossible to enjoy cause its such a big set. I prefer playsets like the Tac Battle platform or the rolling thunder, smaller easier to display and work well with ME figures. The days of big playsets are long gone people, and with what's going on in the custom verse there is no reason for Hasbro to waste there time.

[Snow Wolf]

I don't think we will ever see another Flagg produced. Look what happened with the 30th Skystriker: Hasbro listened to fans/collector's and made a new version. It was pretty sweet, but people griped about it only seating one pilot, and the higher price tag. I think a similar fate would befall a modern version of the beloved Flagg. Simply put, too many cheap and picky collectors would drag their heels and wait for the playset to hit Ross's instead of paying retail prices to make it worthwhile for Hasbro.

People can't even agree on what the size of the carrier should be. The vintage Flagg is huge, and some people want it even bigger? It just isn't practical. I don't have one, simply because it would take up almost all of my available collection/display space right now.

Plus, what would the price point for this product be nowadays? It was between $100-120 back in 1985. Factor in inflation, and the fact that the price of figures and vehicles have increased dramatically since 2008, and a price of $250-300 seems to loom. No one but hard-core collectors would buy it, and good luck getting the retail stores to even risk carrying it (can you imagine a shelf-warming Flagg?)

I would like to see more Joe/Cobra vehicles, and I would like to see Hasbro bring back normal articulation to the drivers/pilots, but face it, the "glory days" of the dominant 1980 GIJoe product line have passed (for various reasons).

Hasbro is a company that makes some pretty cool stuff, but in the end, they are really out to make MONEY, and another ill-fated venture (see Skystriker) on a larger scale will be an inevitable failure, IMO>

[This I Command!]

The days of big playsets are long gone people

Yes, dead and gone.

Avengers Hellicarrier, 2012, Hasbro, $129.99
http://www.toyark.com/news/attach/1/Marvel-SDCC-Super_Heli-with-fig-1_1340403749.jpg

Ninja Turtles Sewer, 2012, Playmates Toys, price unknown
http://thetoyverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/SecretSewerLairPlayset.jpg

...Joe fans may be terrible at putting their money where their mouth is, but clearly other fans aren't.

[minstrelboy]

It never made much sense to dedicate an aircraft carrier to a comparatively small unit like the GI Joe team. Even aircraft like the Sky Striker would belong to support teams relegated to assisting the main team. I mean, logistically it would cost trillions annually to fund a force of what, 200 soldiers at the most?

[CG82]

In the cartoon every Joe was a skilled fighter pilot among other things,lol. I think the idea of the Flagg was just part of the generic modern army and navy/military theme rather than just a specific crack A-team(Special Forces).

[spiderpumpkin]

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[spiderpumpkin]

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[ChadVamp]

The turtles playset is a canceled item and I have yet to see that helicarrier in the wild, the SDCC exclusive maybe the exemption and not the example.

[This I Command!]

Guaranteed sell outs or destined for clearance?
Well, we really wouldn't know until they hit shelves, but the fact that companies are manufacturing them has to say something about the faith they have that they will be successful. Both Avengers and TMNT are being backed by big movies/comics/TV so I'm sure that has something to do with it.

The turtles playset is a canceled item and I have yet to see that helicarrier in the wild, the SDCC exclusive maybe the exemption and not the example.
The sewer is only temporarily cancelled from what I've heard, likely just until the show hits and they have some product out.

[minstrelboy]

Wasn't there one of the giant human harvester robots from Terminator Salvation that was cancelled too? I remember seeing something like it.

[Saboteur]

G I Joe fans are not ready for a USS Flagg. Joe fans are notoriously cheap. Generally, most wait for something to go on clearance before purchasing it. The Skystriker is the most recent example in memory.

Knowing that, Hasbro is not going to pour the time, resources and money into producing one.

The big 3 retailers would not be interested in taking a gamble on something as huge on a line that's struggling as is. The amount of space a Flagg would consume on a retail shelf is the amount of space the entire line is given in stores, if not more.

If everyone in the entire Joe community actually bought one, and we're talking at least $200 dollars-minimum-the stores would still be left with unpurchased Flaggs. The very real fact of the matter is that the support of Joe and the number of people who buy the line is at a dismal number and constantly dwindling. Only a new generation of fans can breathe life into this franchise.

A limited run of Flaggs produced and sold by Hasbro through a 3rd party like Hasbrotoyshop.com where pre-orders are taken and product purchased in full and in advance is the only logical and possible way a Flagg on the same scale as the 85 version will be available to the fan base.

As I've said before, likes and dislikes vary from one to the other, but I think that a WHALE with a retooled Cutter and possibly a RC craft, something that actually floats--something that the Flagg does not do--that does not cost as much and does not consume as much space, seems like a much more interesting option.

[CG82]

I dont believe even back in the 80's they sold well cause they were quite expensive and parents often will only spend big bucks for toys during a birthday or for Christmas time only.

I remember being on Toys R Us and all the way on the top shelves were the Flagg's and terrordromes..was like the storage scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark just endless boxes of toys stacked up.

[chewie1]

Wasn't there one of the giant human harvester robots from Terminator Salvation that was cancelled too? I remember seeing something like it.

yes it was produced and realsed in uk only i belive as i saw them in toys r us but regret never buying

[Steve T]

Joe collectors are too cheap for Hasbro to bother making a new Flagg.

[spot138]

It'd be nice, but the way things are going these days, I dont think it'd ever happen unless it was made out of cardboard or something.

[Owner of a Lonely B.A.T.]

The Flagg is part of what I call my Trilogy of disappointing vehicles.

-The Flagg
Way too large, I honestly can't even display mine. And its more or less a shell anyway.

-Terrordrome
Its not a horrible playset, but its a lot smaller than I imagined, and the silo takes up a lot of room.

-WHale
WAYYYYYYY too many fragile parts, I mean its a cool vehicle just fragile as hell.

Almost a Quadrilogy with the Defiant, as it has some serious fragility to it as well mostly in the crawler, but its actually otherwise a really cool playset / vehicle.



Pound for pound my favorite vehicles are Rolling Thunder and the General...solid playsets great sizes.


I realize I never attempted to answer the orginal question posed.

Are we ready for a new Flagg?

I think the answer is no...

Here's why...expense is easily the biggest factor. We already complain about the costs of most items and even the Skystriker which was a great item and pretty fairly priced and people complained about that. And to further hammer that point home I would say a good amount of people were willing to wait until clearence.

Part of that is the terrible econemy...its hard to spend when everybody is on such a tight budget.

But a good part of it has to do with some over priced bad items. I mean ROC gave us both the PIT and the Raven which were both really gimmicky and extremely underwhelming...worse both were at pretty high pricepoints and they pretty much sat on shelves until they went clearence...and even then sat on shelves.

Even moderatly priced ROC sat on shelves...that line did a lot of damage...both on us and on retailers.

We're all gun shy now, retailers and consumers so were all a little more fickle on dropping the hammer on anything.


That being said it brings me back to the Flagg...even at a cost of back when the original was released I think we still would be gun shy. We all know todays costs would be a hell of a lot more. With likely the same results retailers not buying, consumers waiting for clearences if they did.


A little more about the ship itself...for those that have it they know, for those that don't....its massive. Its not really practical to display this sucker I have one and I can't. It looks pretty cool assembled but unless you have an 8' x 3' place to spare its pretty hard to keep assembled. And if you want 360 degree playability you need that same space NOT to be directly against a wall, other wise you have one of two issues...either you don't have acess to the bridge compartments or the under deck skeleton is exposed and the main deck is towards the wall.

The size aside...for those that don't know its essentially a skeleton frame with a bow and stern a deck sits on, and the cabin area...making the Flagg a terrible waste of space.


I can't imagine that a direct re-issue would be cost effective and by the same token I can't imagine a redesign would be cost effective either.


So I doubt were ready...and I doubt Hasbro is ready either.

[Dragasses]

I can't even find dg joes with 10 stores within a 10 mile radius. sad emoticon.

I don't know, I don't have the original and I just can't see spending 1K plus to get one up and running. I know they occasionally come cheaper but...I like toys. I. Like. Toys.

[Kaboomskie]

I am ready but my place tells me no.

[CrimsonGuard101]

Joe collectors are too cheap for Hasbro to bother making a new Flagg.

so do you collect joes? or do you just hang out on a joe collectors forum just to be captain obvious? Cause with current prices for most of the joe product...it aint cheap...let me tell you lulz...

[Nightrain]

My body is ready.

[dpstro]

I wouldn't want it any bigger than the original. If they retooled the actual work spaces and maybe made a section underneith the flight deck I would for sure get one at retail.

[Jay West]

I'd rather them get action figures on the shelves.

[dpstro]

There are things I would like to see before a Flagg such as a helo. Either Dragonfly or Tomahawk.

[bassistcarlos]

I have a Flagg so I wouldn't buy a new one. The one I have is fine by me. :) Lets see new figures. :D

If I had a vintage Flagg, I would feel the same way. Until I do have a vintage one, I will be open to a new equally awesome Flagg. I would also be cool with a 5 foot Heli carrier, but only if they release helicopters, like the tomahawk and dragonfly, as well.

[ero]

I'm ready for a reissue. Don't much care for a new design.

[dpstro]

If I had a vintage Flagg, I would feel the same way. Until I do have a vintage one, I will be open to a new equally awesome Flagg. I would also be cool with a 5 foot Heli carrier, but only if they release helicopters, like the tomahawk and dragonfly, as well.

I'm in favor of the helicarrier. It should be large enough for at least one tomahawk and a few (3) skyhawks or 1 dragonfly. Idealy I would like 2 tomahawks and 2 dragonflys but i think that would just end up too big. I would also want a below the flight deck for playability and could possibly hold a few sharcs and a 2 level tower.

[NCR_Ranger92]

They should focus on making better figures. I think the old Flagg is awesome enough. Of Cours, Im only saying that cuase my wallet cant handle that and I won't have enough space.

[JoeMama]

I'd pay $300 for a new Flagg.
Scratch the bullhorn, no need for a figure (single card one in a wave), and use a thinner plastic on the deck to reduce costs. Go for bigger holding areas with less play value (could lose the crane, it is worthless), and make the elevator actually work to move an item to the lower deck, not to the water (wtf?)...
Keep the radar, the guns, the anchors, the blast shield, the landing rope..
could lose the gas cart (make it an Alpha set, if you want), lose the captains boat, add a few small gas cans (PTE style) to reduce costs further.. gas cans are cheap, and look great.
that's my thoughts.
cut costs, raise price to account for 27 years of inflation.
That said, it would never happen.
times just ain't like what they were once.

[Havok]

It would just be too expensive and no retail outlet would want to carry it. If its limited edition, then I think it could work. And, I probably would get it, or even if Hasbro reissues the original. Problem is where do I display it?

[Viper6]

Id like to see something more along the lines of the US Navy LCS maybe with a rear flight deck big enough for some ghosthawks and a big main gun on the bow.

this....a light carrier/amphibious assualt ship, it could deploy a whale or battle tank from the front via drop ramp, maybe two devil fish on cranes or a shark, it could land a dragonfly or two sky hawks
maybe a tomoahawk? and it would include 5 or 6 heavy weapons stations. a kid can dream cant he...maybe 3rd party brings the party?

[Slim]

I don't think we will ever see another Flagg produced. Look what happened with the 30th Skystriker: Hasbro listened to fans/collector's and made a new version. It was pretty sweet, but people griped about it only seating one pilot, and the higher price tag. I think a similar fate would befall a modern version of the beloved Flagg. Simply put, too many cheap and picky collectors would drag their heels and wait for the playset to hit Ross's instead of paying retail prices to make it worthwhile for Hasbro.

People can't even agree on what the size of the carrier should be. The vintage Flagg is huge, and some people want it even bigger? It just isn't practical. I don't have one, simply because it would take up almost all of my available collection/display space right now.

Plus, what would the price point for this product be nowadays? It was between $100-120 back in 1985. Factor in inflation, and the fact that the price of figures and vehicles have increased dramatically since 2008, and a price of $250-300 seems to loom. No one but hard-core collectors would buy it, and good luck getting the retail stores to even risk carrying it (can you imagine a shelf-warming Flagg?)

I would like to see more Joe/Cobra vehicles, and I would like to see Hasbro bring back normal articulation to the drivers/pilots, but face it, the "glory days" of the dominant 1980 GIJoe product line have passed (for various reasons).

Hasbro is a company that makes some pretty cool stuff, but in the end, they are really out to make MONEY, and another ill-fated venture (see Skystriker) on a larger scale will be an inevitable failure, IMO>

yet if they simply made it a two seater I would have bought more(bought 3) The point is, it's not all on the fans/collectors Hasbro needs to do right by their fanbase. If collectors didn't respond to a well thought out and not skimped on line, vehicle or base you'd have a stronger point. It's on hasbro to deliver what the fans want and not make unreasonable cuts and shove the resulting mess down our throats.

[speedlgt]

honestly we all would be better off with a few things.

#1 a new terror drome. when I think of cost i think of plastic! how much plastic am i getting in this product. if hasbro can make the falcon and ATAT then they can very well make a terror drome and sell it for 99. I think this is better for us cause cobra doesnt really have a good base and its big yet small enough to display.

#2 a Carrier made by true heroes!!!
its clear that true heroes (chapi mei) can build stuff on the level of hasbro (C-130) and for a very cheap price. I imagine a carrier thats really big enough to hold there F22 and basically be a hollow ship. In reallity as joe fans we want things to be empty on the inside!! like the c-130 and chinook. we just want a shell! thats why the ironman base cap apc and quinjets all kinda suck! cause they are not empty. OUR fave is the joe APC which is just a shell! the best playset of all time castle grey skull is a empty case SHELL!!

i could see true heroes saving all joe fans by making a carrier and selling it for 80 bucks. then here comes cobra stickers with a joe theme for 50 dollars!! and we have everything we need

[dpstro]

honestly we all would be better off with a few things.

#1 a new terror drome. when I think of cost i think of plastic! how much plastic am i getting in this product. if hasbro can make the falcon and ATAT then they can very well make a terror drome and sell it for 99. I think this is better for us cause cobra doesnt really have a good base and its big yet small enough to display.

#2 a Carrier made by true heroes!!!
its clear that true heroes (chapi mei) can build stuff on the level of hasbro (C-130) and for a very cheap price. I imagine a carrier thats really big enough to hold there F22 and basically be a hollow ship. In reallity as joe fans we want things to be empty on the inside!! like the c-130 and chinook. we just want a shell! thats why the ironman base cap apc and quinjets all kinda suck! cause they are not empty. OUR fave is the joe APC which is just a shell! the best playset of all time castle grey skull is a empty case SHELL!!

i could see true heroes saving all joe fans by making a carrier and selling it for 80 bucks. then here comes cobra stickers with a joe theme for 50 dollars!! and we have everything we need

I love the shell carrier idea. I have the C-130 and took the stock weapons out and put some SW cannons in there. A shell allows customization and storage.

[gijoe071681]

I read this thread this morning and just got back to finishing the research I began earlier. I think we could get by on a 1/32 scale Flagg. Mind you the tower would need to be off scale from the flight deck. This would put the flight deck at roughly 29 ft. I measured out a Skystriker and it is roughly 1/32 so we would be able to place quite a few of them on there. Besides everything in the joe world is out of scale anyways. Just some food for thought. We still aren't ready though.

[DaveViper]

I think you guys are all hating in the Vintage Flagg so the price on ebay will drop. (yah I read the whole thread) Or maybe I will just give my Flagg away now since apparently the community thinks its just a huge parking lot and it sucks and its overrated.


On a more serious note, I hope Hasbro never makes another Flagg. The price for a decent one would scare almost everyone away. And that plastic could be better used for smaller vehicles and more figures.

[speedlgt]

dave has a point....kinda
if you own a flagg then you should never want a new one to be made cause #1 it would be better and#2 your flagg will go down in price.
Face it guys the days of vintage stuff being worth a lot are over. look at the AT AT the modern is way more coin than a vintage one. look at a vintage he man vs a modern one! alpine complete is worth nothing the dam modern one is 700 dollars!
even at joe con i am willing to bet modern figs loose are 5-7 dollars vintage loose are like 3-4 bucks.
modern = better these days I am not saying I like it i am just making an observation.
if you own a flagg better hope a new one never gets made

[DaveViper]

Thanks for agreeing with me well sorta...

But I meant all the talk about how the vintage Flagg sucks was an attemp to drive prices down on ebay. It was a bad joke, sorry.

I think a retooled Flagg would not affect the price of the vintage one.
Case and point the vintage Skystriker and 30th Skystriker. The vintage one complete on average still commands a good amount of money on ebay.

If a new Flagg was made and made nicely (loose definition) I being a Flagg owner probably wouldn't buy one. Cost might be an issue but the bigger issue for me is space. I have no room for two Flaggs.

That's assuming they made one the same or near the same size.



dave has a point....kinda
if you own a flagg then you should never want a new one to be made cause #1 it would be better and#2 your flagg will go down in price.
Face it guys the days of vintage stuff being worth a lot are over. look at the AT AT the modern is way more coin than a vintage one. look at a vintage he man vs a modern one! alpine complete is worth nothing the dam modern one is 700 dollars!
even at joe con i am willing to bet modern figs loose are 5-7 dollars vintage loose are like 3-4 bucks.
modern = better these days I am not saying I like it i am just making an observation.
if you own a flagg better hope a new one never gets made

[gijoe071681]

I don't hate the old flagg, to be honest for the longest time I wanted one. Right now I can't commit that kind of money to something that I no longer feel fits my needs. (yes I was disappointed to find out it was only a skeleton with a deck). I balanced it against what I could buy. I love my Night Ravens and could easily buy 7 or 8 for a cheap Flagg. To me it was no longer worth it. However if a new one were to be made, I doubt I would like it either, mostly because of cost, but space would also be an issue.

[takedown]

dave has a point....kinda
if you own a flagg then you should never want a new one to be made cause #1 it would be better and#2 your flagg will go down in price.
Face it guys the days of vintage stuff being worth a lot are over. look at the AT AT the modern is way more coin than a vintage one. look at a vintage he man vs a modern one! alpine complete is worth nothing the dam modern one is 700 dollars!
even at joe con i am willing to bet modern figs loose are 5-7 dollars vintage loose are like 3-4 bucks.
modern = better these days I am not saying I like it i am just making an observation.
if you own a flagg better hope a new one never gets made

Exactly! My basic premise of this thread was to say we wouldnt be happy with a new Flagg, because we would gripe it isnt to scale. It was disheartening to read the threads, "Hasbro needs to make a new Flagg" and such. The best bet would be buying the SHIELD Helicarrier along with the old Flagg with 1:144th scale Tomcats, Thunderbolts and AH-1, along with any other jets & helos you wanted. That way those of you who have an old Flagg can create a diorama of the battle before the Helicarrier and the Flagg take a drink.

[Headman]

We ready fool. We ready.

[Sithcobra]

speakin of this the avenger one came in today-and yes im thinkin about makin one myself i most likely would buy it..maybe depends and the answer to your question is-sorry for this but-over 80%would just complain and wait for clearance -shrug-

[Headman]

I got my avenger thingy in the mail today. Oh wait, no I didn't. What a rip!

[Sithcobra]

for those who actually like vintage style joe's -been takin care of my grandmother for the last year or so-i was at my house and found my boxes of old joes don't care for em don't like em newer stuff is better imo so if ppl want older figs i be willing to help a tanker out dunno any price guides on em but i need to get a cam for my ps3 and then i will be able to add pic of them and just make an offer

[Skipper]

In this economy? In this state, probably GI JOEs lowest? No movie to back it up cuz it got pushed back to next year b/c now they want it to be in 3D? fuggataboutit.

...although, I do like the idea that someone came up with about a shell. Chap Mei even turned a blackhawk into a rescue coast guard chopper with a basket for $30. Getting back to the shell, Ill go one better. Turn it into a larger toy box with a deck that unfolds to double its size and the island can clip onto the side. Just an idea. Good durable plastic and opening panels to play inside underneath is all you really need. Dimensions on top deck
4' x 3' then unfold the deck and add 2' to each end to make it an even 8'x 3'. figure it would have to be at least 2' in height to make a decent toy box.

[CobraOfficer999]

Yes, we are. But, as Hasbro's rep said back in NOLA in June, large vehicles aren't in their budget.

[chuckernaut]

Never going to happen... The avengers helicarrier which is less than half the size as the original Flagg isn't even being released at retail.

i seen the heli at a toys r us last week

[Jinx723]

"Are we as Joe fans really ready for a new USS FLAGG?"

Not no, but HELL NO!
We are our own worst enemy. Even if Hasbro did release a FLAGG, the majority of you would nit & pick everything you can on it. Then of course you'll pull the old "I'll wait for it to go on clearance."

Collectors need to stop asking for stuff and then not back up Hasbro. I say Hasbro should just focus on figures.

[skinny]

I would not mind a diecast Flagg but honestly I would not buy a new large Flagg. Room space is at a premium.

[DaveViper]

Hasbro save the plastic for other smaller vehicles, like a Killer Whale, Night Raven, Night Boomer (insert you dream vehicle) Etc.

Let the Flagg rest in peace it's a Holy Grail and should never be made again.

Besides If Hasbro made another one it would be no where near the mighty scale that the vintage one was made. So why cheapen it?

[Delorean]

I don't know why people keep asking this question. We are not going to get a new Flagg, plain and simple. It would cost far too much money to produce, and in the end, very few would sell due to the extremely high selling price.

[Night_Force_GI_EDDO]

No. I neither have the disposable income, nor the room for a Flagg. Also, my wife would kill me if I bought one, and id prefer my son had his dad around for his childhood.

[Brcall]

No, we're not ready. Honestly, I don't know why so many people keep asking for it. I had one as a kid, and rarely ever played with it. It was too big really. Now the terrordrome was the perfect size.

[samantha]

While I would love to see a new Flagg, the fan base will never support it. The original Flagg retailed at over $100.00 easily, that same Flagg released today would be well over $200.00 to $300.00. The fans complain about spending over $300.00 for the FSS, I can't see those same people shelling out more money than that for a Large playset that takes up, up to, 7 feet of space. Sure I would love to have a new Flagg but like I have pointed out, Hasbro would take a huge financial hit as fans sat around and waited for the Flagg to go on clearance. Case in point the new Skystriker. How many people waited for that to go on sale? We are our own worst enemies.

[Buzzetta]

Id like to see something more along the lines of the US Navy LCS maybe with a rear flight deck big enough for some ghosthawks and a big main gun on the bow.

This is the best comment ever posted about a Flagg. I have felt the same way after seeing the USS New York. I would love an LPD and perhaps would spend more money on Joes again.

As it is, lack of availability, shoddy assortments and distributions across all Hasbro lines forced me to look at everything this summer. Over the last few weeks I have sold over 200 action figures between Joes and Star Wars figures.

Hasbro needs to take a couple of risks in order to get my attention again. Otherwise, they are missing out on my wallet and the money I would spend on their product should I get married and have a few kids nagging me about going to Toys R Us.

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[DOCHOLIDAY56]

I personally would rather have an updated 1983 HQ type base
I love the USS FLAGG my boys love playing with it
but really when it comes down too it it's too huge to play with with out having a permanent space for it too be all the time
UNLESS you made it into new take apart sections

[spiderpumpkin]

Hasbro save the plastic for other smaller vehicles, like a Killer Whale, Night Raven, Night Boomer (insert you dream vehicle) Etc.

Let the Flagg rest in peace it's a Holy Grail and should never be made again.

Besides If Hasbro made another one it would be no where near the mighty scale that the vintage one was made. So why cheapen it?

We'll probably get a retooled Avengers Movie Heli-Flagg.

[BIG BOSS]

how about a SDCC flagg?

[Kaboomskie]

You're gonna have to sell your soul and pay real top dollar to buy a damn exclusive USS Flagg.

Just give me a 4 feet paper model aircraft carrier Hasbro.

[spiderpumpkin]

You're gonna have to sell your soul and pay real top dollar to buy a damn exclusive USS Flagg.

Not if it's a rereleased Heli-Carrier.

[Kaboomskie]

You're desecrating a holy grail, heretic.

[MonkeyBoyZ]

I don't think Hasbro would release a vehicle that large again. Unless things change in the toy selling world, it doesn't seem like it would happen. An organization like the collectors club, however, could reasonable do something on this scale. Even if it was just a club exlusive of some old large set/vehicle, they could easily make it on an order basis to see if it would pan out. It would take some effort, but they could make their money back.

[rsg]

No, the days of this being a vehicle driven line have long since past.
No, collectors are notoriously cheap and would not pay the MSRP.
No, children would have no interest and their parents wouldn't pay.
No, it would be cost prohibitive for any company to tool and manufacture.
No, cash is king and he has said "No sir, I don't think so."

Now please stop DED(

[pig iron grenadier]

No, people won't pay full price for a skystriker.

If you want a Flagg you'll have to buy a vintage one...or the fans will just complain about any new one they design anyway as too stubby or too small or too expensive.

[pig iron grenadier]

No, the days of this being a vehicle driven line have long since past.
No, collectors are notoriously cheap and would not pay the MSRP.
No, children would have no interest and their parents wouldn't pay.
No, it would be cost prohibitive for any company to tool and manufacture.
No, cash is king and he has said "No sir, I don't think so."

Now please stop DED(

hahah

[figureware]

Yup I want one! at 500-over a 1000$$$ for a used one from 85 why not? I hope they would make it more accessible to ME figures though.

[skinny]

I would pay $100 for a diecast SDCC Flagg like the Batmobile BTTF Delorean Etc. it would have to have skystrikers though and a dragonfly. Make it about 18 inches long with a rotating missile launcher and antenna, and jet blast deflectors that raise and lower

[UNDERCOVER]

No, people won't pay full price for a skystriker.

If you want a Flagg you'll have to buy a vintage one...or the fans will just complain about any new one they design anyway as too stubby or too small or too expensive.

This says it all.

[skinny]

and add landing lights and a meatball.

[GI Jon]

I think that a viable solution would be for Hasbro to produce the superstructure, and maybe some other small plastic components of the Flagg. Then Individuals could build their own deck out of wood or foam, or whatever and make it whatever size they wanted. The "Flagg kit" could include dimensions for the different sizes. Also, if people didn't want to have a full deck, they could just display the super structure. Perhaps the superstructure could be configured to look like a flight tower for a ground based air strip as well. I'm just spit balling here, but I think it would be economical for Hasbro, and could help appease fans by providing a Flagg that fit their budget and their available display space.

[Mercenary696]

I don't think doing a FLAGG would be a good idea at all. Too much money to make and it would cost too much, more than a lot of Joe collectors would pay, unless it was on clearance at ROSS.

People here have referenced the Skystriker and that is a perfect example of how much people will be complaining. I remember reading all the comments about people complaining that there was only one seat and not two like the original Skystriker from the 80's. I remember people complaining about the Cobra Rattler color for the 25th line and that it was too purple and not blue enough like the original. Why should Hasbro bother? They should put the money into tooling new figures and vehicles, not redoing vehicles from the classic ARAH line. 25th has come and gone. It was great, but it's done. Time to move on.

[Jmacq1]

I think that a viable solution would be for Hasbro to produce the superstructure, and maybe some other small plastic components of the Flagg. Then Individuals could build their own deck out of wood or foam, or whatever and make it whatever size they wanted. The "Flagg kit" could include dimensions for the different sizes. Also, if people didn't want to have a full deck, they could just display the super structure. Perhaps the superstructure could be configured to look like a flight tower for a ground based air strip as well. I'm just spit balling here, but I think it would be economical for Hasbro, and could help appease fans by providing a Flagg that fit their budget and their available display space.

I somehow don't think retailers -OR- most buyers are going to be particularly keen on a "Do It Yourself Vehicle/Playset." Are they going to sell it at Lowe's and Home Depot so you can get the rest of it?

[Buzzetta]

No interest in devoting the space nor the money for a properly built one. Now, a small vessel capable of deploying a few vehicles and at least two ghost hawks along with an inner play area would be absolutely perfect.

[Kaboomskie]

There ought to be a Chap Mei forum boards...we can request them to make a generic type of aircraft carrier with the length of two Blackhawks.

[Kungfuguy]

There ought to be a Chap Mei forum boards...we can request them to make a generic type of aircraft carrier with the length of two Blackhawks.

I think Chapmei would do it before Hasbro.

[Quantum_Penguin]

No interest in devoting the space nor the money for a properly built one. Now, a small vessel capable of deploying a few vehicles and at least two ghost hawks along with an inner play area would be absolutely perfect.

I agree with this wholeheartedly.

The only way we would get a modern "USS Flagg" or equivalent vessel for the Joes is if we give up on it being anything like a full-size carrier. To make it feasable it has to sell to children (or at least, their parents). The typical carrier proportions just don't give you enough playset for the price or the space it takes up; most of it ends up being a shelf for vehicles anyway. Not very friendly for a child's room. And there is no hope of a child ever moving a seven-foot-long playset without disassembling it, making it immobile.

Instead, it would make more sense to model the ship on one of the small corvettes being built by modern navies, such as Austal's Multi-role Vessel http://www.jutarnji.hr/multimedia/archive/00382/josipovic_sajam6_382716S0.jpg. It would even fit with the "20 minutes into the future" aesthetic of PoC/30th. With the Joes using compact jump-jets like the Ghost Hawk all it really needs is a landing pad and possibly a hangar underneath. The forward section could split open or the top could come off and inside it would have all the amenities of the Flagg's island.

And I'm just talking about how it could be done plausibly. It would still be very large, probably touching three feet from bow to stern, similar to the larger SW vehicles like the BMF and the AT-TE. In this economy and with the brand where it is, I doubt the market could support such a large playset right now. If Retaliation does well, and Hasbro doesn't shoot the cartoon in the foot again, it might be possible in two or three years. Here's hoping.

[Jedi_Master_Ben]

At one time over at the Rebelscum message Q and A with Hasbro in reguards to playsets or larger vehicles (like the Rebel Transport), they mentioned that there are enough vintage models out there that at this time just does not warrent them to make a new tooling for. I think this is the mind set with the Joe stuff. If you look at what is traded on e-bay on any given day, you can find just about anything from the vintage lines, for a fair price. On average a low end flagg would be $300 to $500, if you don't mind looking for some parts on your own. On the high end, you are looking at $700 to $1000 complete and might include shipping. So if collectors are willing to throw down $300 to $500 for non complete one, then they would shell out the same for a New model at that price range (and no waiting for it to go on clearance). If none of the original tooling exist anymore, then they have to figure the cost in new tooling and how many to produce to recoup thier investment plus profit. There's got to be some sort of media to drive the interest and a movie line won't be enough, it would have to be a long lasting cartoon series like the Clone Wars, with weekly influences on the parents and kids to drive the desire for such toys. Without, forget about it. If anyone really wants a flagg, just save up for it and get it on e-bay, they are not that hard to get or piece one together.

[Hicks_Royel]

I think more folks would be happy with a WHALE over a Flagg.

[ilzuccone]

I wouldn't buy it and i would get tired of all the whining.

[Skipper]

At one time over at the Rebelscum message Q and A with Hasbro in reguards to playsets or larger vehicles (like the Rebel Transport), they mentioned that there are enough vintage models out there that at this time just does not warrent them to make a new tooling for. I think this is the mind set with the Joe stuff. If you look at what is traded on e-bay on any given day, you can find just about anything from the vintage lines, for a fair price. On average a low end flagg would be $300 to $500, if you don't mind looking for some parts on your own. On the high end, you are looking at $700 to $1000 complete and might include shipping. So if collectors are willing to throw down $300 to $500 for non complete one, then they would shell out the same for a New model at that price range (and no waiting for it to go on clearance). If none of the original tooling exist anymore, then they have to figure the cost in new tooling and how many to produce to recoup thier investment plus profit. There's got to be some sort of media to drive the interest and a movie line won't be enough, it would have to be a long lasting cartoon series like the Clone Wars, with weekly influences on the parents and kids to drive the desire for such toys. Without, forget about it. If anyone really wants a flagg, just save up for it and get it on e-bay, they are not that hard to get or piece one together.

What he said. There is just no way on this Earth that it will happen==there is no weekly show to support it, not even reruns on CN, popularity is practically non existent. Its a beast of burden to have the stores try and sell it, they wont want the risk either.

No, we are not ready for a new USS FLAGG.

[skinny]

There ought to be a Chap Mei forum boards...we can request them to make a generic type of aircraft carrier with the length of two Blackhawks.


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[jiffy18]

They could make a FLAGG-ish playset that woudn't cost much and release alot of awesome figures and vehicles.

[Kaboomskie]

I sure would like to help non-Flagg owners. I have a 3d puzzle of USS Ford. You guys want me to scan this so you can print this according to your preferred scale?

http://dealtz.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/a08aae7a62bb2cbcbf43b42d5de910f9/3/d/3d_puzzle_large_580-a_uss_3d_theater_ford_air_craft_carrier_big.jpg

It ain't much but hey, it's cheap, easy to assemble/disassemble and practical. Might work as a fix for those craving for a Flagg.

[VideoViper]

One thing that would cut cost. (It won't happen) but would need to be done for a playset of this size.

Back in the 80s ALL the vehicles were made in the US. (Figures were made in Tawian) To ship a US Flagg from China would in itself be cost-prohibitive. However if Hasbro decided to devote a small room to push plastic again then we might be able to get a larger playset at a reasonable cost.

[hellian75]

It's true that it costs a lot to ship items from china, but the deal is this ain't the 80s anymore. I remember going to wal mart and almost one side of an entire isle was devoted to joe, now your lucky if there's 3 to 6 pegs of figures. There also isn't a show which has been stated.

My thinking is either the club would have to do something, or perhaps a fan would have to make something that was in scale but different enough that they wouldn't get taken to the cleaners by hasbro lawyers.

Lastly I know that a lot of people just like the figures for all kinds of different reasons, I'm assuming a lot of it is space, but I for one am more of the vehicle collector. But I also have a room that's just for my "stuff" so I'm able to put things like this in there, but not everyone has a room or the room for it. I would just like to see more vehicles, and mot ninja bikes either. I did buy several skystrikers at retail, even gave one to my son to play with.

However I don't think it will happen because while we are willing to pay lots for vintage vehicles, we are kinda cheap when it comes to new because we know it will go on clearance and we can save money. But in so doing we kill our chances of anything more being produced. Not saying we are all that way but it sure seems that is a big part of the issue.

So basically if someone makes one in a small run form and it's quality and it's affordable ( like 300 to 500 bucks maybe ) the collectors that want it will buy it and those that don't won't. Just my 2 cents.

[Jmacq1]

One thing that would cut cost. (It won't happen) but would need to be done for a playset of this size.

Back in the 80s ALL the vehicles were made in the US. (Figures were made in Tawian) To ship a US Flagg from China would in itself be cost-prohibitive. However if Hasbro decided to devote a small room to push plastic again then we might be able to get a larger playset at a reasonable cost.

This idea is fail on multiple levels.

One, it wouldn't be a "small room" it would be a factory. Unless you're paying someone (or someones) to lovingly hand-craft each individual Flagg (which means higher-than factory worker wages because they now become "craftsmen" rather than assembly-line workers) which would entail ridiculously high production costs, Hasbro would have to literally build a factory or remodel an old one somewhere, either way probably to the tune of a few million dollars if not more. Likely more than a few years' worth of tooling budget for the entire Joe line.

Further, the massive increase in wages and benefits you'd have to pay the workers in said factory would negate any savings on shipping. AND you have to find a place that is willing to put up with the factory pollution in their backyard.

So no, making Flaggs in the US is not in any way, shape or form going to cut costs. If anything it would raise them. Did you think there's no reason companies haven't started doing this in reaction to the raising prices in China? Simple answer: Even with the rising costs, its' still exponentially cheaper to manufacture in China and ship it overseas than it would be to manufacture in the US.

[UNDERCOVER]

No new Flagg will ever come. different times, different world. It was a once in a lifetime beauty. If they did make it, it would be a cheap pile of crap that we would all hate anyway. lol

[Shin Densetsu]

One thing that would cut cost. (It won't happen) but would need to be done for a playset of this size.

Back in the 80s ALL the vehicles were made in the US. (Figures were made in Tawian) To ship a US Flagg from China would in itself be cost-prohibitive. However if Hasbro decided to devote a small room to push plastic again then we might be able to get a larger playset at a reasonable cost.

A small room isn't even big enough to contain a mold, steel molds for toys are huge and weigh thousands of pounds. For example the molds for a Sky Striker are probably bigger than an SUV.

It's true that it costs a lot to ship items from china, but the deal is this ain't the 80s anymore. I remember going to wal mart and almost one side of an entire isle was devoted to joe, now your lucky if there's 3 to 6 pegs of figures. There also isn't a show which has been stated.

My thinking is either the club would have to do something, or perhaps a fan would have to make something that was in scale but different enough that they wouldn't get taken to the cleaners by hasbro lawyers.

Lastly I know that a lot of people just like the figures for all kinds of different reasons, I'm assuming a lot of it is space, but I for one am more of the vehicle collector. But I also have a room that's just for my "stuff" so I'm able to put things like this in there, but not everyone has a room or the room for it. I would just like to see more vehicles, and mot ninja bikes either. I did buy several skystrikers at retail, even gave one to my son to play with.

However I don't think it will happen because while we are willing to pay lots for vintage vehicles, we are kinda cheap when it comes to new because we know it will go on clearance and we can save money. But in so doing we kill our chances of anything more being produced. Not saying we are all that way but it sure seems that is a big part of the issue.

So basically if someone makes one in a small run form and it's quality and it's affordable ( like 300 to 500 bucks maybe ) the collectors that want it will buy it and those that don't won't. Just my 2 cents.

Around the early 2000's, $300 was the minimum MSRP that the Flagg was said to have should it be re-released. That was back then, it has been a decade or so since. Since then inflation has shot up, and GI Joe is still a brand struggling to maintain its presence on toyshelves when it isn't a movie year. A production run of the Flagg that is low and of high quality is going to only result in an exponentially higher price. The molds themselves cost tens of thousands of dollars, with a low production run there is no way Hasbro will justify production without raising the markup, and there is no way Hasbro would take a loss on something that expensive.

Hasbro does not hold all the cards anymore like they and other toy companies did in the 80's. They need Walmart more than Walmart needs them, and if Walmart doesn't even allocate a lot of space for GI Joe now that it isn't a movie year, and never ordered the Sky Striker, which was the biggest Joe item of last year(and was a classic vehicle modernized), what makes anyone think Hasbro even has the Flagg on the radar?

Don't get me wrong guys, I don't even know if I would buy a Flagg because it takes up so much space. However would I want one? Hell yeah. Realistically though, I don't think it will happen, I would LOVE to be surprised.

[VideoViper]

As I said, It won't happen, But if they did devoted some space to this, it would not just be for a USS Flagg, It would be used to make large even medium & small vehicles for all Hasbro lines.

I'm guessing you guys havn't been on a manufacturing floor, because you would be surprised how little space something like this takes up. I'd be surprised if Hasbro doesn't have a injection mold machine set up stateside somewhere. (If for design purposes if nothing else.) The issue is about dedicating the equipment to full time use, not about if they have the space/equipment to do it.

As far a why manufactures havn't already done this, (& warning I'm treading on political talk here) China is still a communist society. US/world manufactures were drawn there by the promise of cheap labor, but ultimately manufacturers have realised that any equipmnet sent to china, (Including molds, designs or any intelectual property.) will stay in china. As far as China is concerned they are property of Communist China, & the equipment will never be released outside of China. The factories are not Hasbro owned, & as with many other types of product could run a competitor's product down their line a day after they run Hasbro's. Its much cheaper for hasbro to let China do ALL the manufacturing rather than break a contract & risk
1) rebuilding all the toy molds stateside (ALL toys Brands).
2) Risk high quality Joe knock offs being released in every dollar store

This is why certain types of products, will never be manufactured in China (prescription drugs, health equipment etc) Unless the product goes directly (& most of the time) only to China.

[brcthrift]

We will see something in the scale of a new Flagg when 3d printing is a viable commercial technology.

[Jmacq1]

Now, I wouldn't advocate it for a Flagg, but for a new G.I. Joe headquarters: Has anyone seen the "Battle at the Bank" set for The Dark Knight Rises from Toys R Us? It's got a pretty interesting mechanism that makes the whole little playset "Collapsible" to the point that it lies nearly flat in the package.

(Also, the set comes with a pretty nifty Joe-patible "Missile Launcher Deployed" Tumbler).

[holyfrog]

Instead of a new Flagg they could make a landing craft. That could tanks and VAMPs.

[joefan76]

Now, I wouldn't advocate it for a Flagg, but for a new G.I. Joe headquarters: Has anyone seen the "Battle at the Bank" set for The Dark Knight Rises from Toys R Us? It's got a pretty interesting mechanism that makes the whole little playset "Collapsible" to the point that it lies nearly flat in the package.

(Also, the set comes with a pretty nifty Joe-patible "Missile Launcher Deployed" Tumbler).

where can i find pics of this set?

[Kungfuguy]

where can i find pics of this set?

Amazon.com: Batman the Dark Knight Rises Exclusive Battle At the Bank with Batman and Bane: Toys & Games (http://www.amazon.com/Batman-Knight-Rises-Exclusive-Battle/dp/B00958O1N0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1347418988&sr=8-1&keywords=batman+battle+at+the+bank)

[Airborne1]

Unfortunately we all know there will never be a reissue flagg or an updated flagg. Most of us would be scared of the price when it got to retail. I love the flagg I have but if they updated it the way it should be then the price would be more in relevence to the original price in the 80s. I think $300 would be estimating low at retail cost and a convention exclusive would be double that. By updated I mean they would have to retool the interior to seat the modern figures, add a lower deck to make the elevator of any real use and some extra compartments for a sick-bay and or a bunk room or detention area. They could be put under to the two levels of the superstructer instead of it just being a plastic block and there could be an entry to the lower level from there. They would need to make it a foot longer and at least 8" to a foot wider to really accomodate 3 or 4 skystrikers. I settled for 3 conquests on mine so I could have room for other stuff. They are just to big even for a 7 1/2 foot long toy. An updated Joe HQ or Terror Drome would be awsome. There is room to grow and for improvement on both of those toys.

[netkid]

I think what would really work nowadays for anything remotely close to a FLAGG play set would be a G.I.Joe action figure carry case that can be opened up and (after removing the stored figures) fold out/be reconfigured into a large battleship play area. That's the most I can see Hasbro making during the big movie line push, especially in this tough economy.

[ShockVal]

We better be. It is the 13th figure in the FSS.

[puma]

my pocket as well as toyroom isn't ready for the old one yet..let alone a new one.

[spook]

Vintage loose Flaggs have come way down in price and there are plenty of them out there because there just to darn big for most collectors to display.

The Terrordrome is kinda lame when you look at it compared to other playsets from other lines I think the spytroops cobra mountain is actually a better playset in some ways.

The Defiant was cool and folded down to a smaller easier to store item but was the cheapest piece of crap as far as quality of materials they ever made for the GI Joe line. Lanards The Corps knockoff of the Defiant shuttle is far nicer and if you can actually find it there launch complex is much better too and part of it is made of cardboard

The General is just lame

The Pit is a piece of steaming hot dog poop

The MCC is crap

The only really good large items that hold up from childhood to adult collecting to me are the Headquarters (both) and the Rolling Thunder. It seems to me if Hasbro is going to make big items they should stick to that size, but if they don't Chap Mei fills my need for this stuff. Honestly I think they make better vehicles anyway, Imean how many damn AWE strikers do I need and to throw in a Snake Eyes figure just feels like Hasbro is begging me to stop buying vehicles all together.

[Jmacq1]

Vintage loose Flaggs have come way down in price and there are plenty of them out there because there just to darn big for most collectors to display.

The Terrordrome is kinda lame when you look at it compared to other playsets from other lines I think the spytroops cobra mountain is actually a better playset in some ways.

The Defiant was cool and folded down to a smaller easier to store item but was the cheapest piece of crap as far as quality of materials they ever made for the GI Joe line. Lanards The Corps knockoff of the Defiant shuttle is far nicer and if you can actually find it there launch complex is much better too and part of it is made of cardboard

The General is just lame

The Pit is a piece of steaming hot dog poop

The MCC is crap

The only really good large items that hold up from childhood to adult collecting to me are the Headquarters (both) and the Rolling Thunder. It seems to me if Hasbro is going to make big items they should stick to that size, but if they don't Chap Mei fills my need for this stuff. Honestly I think they make better vehicles anyway, Imean how many damn AWE strikers do I need and to throw in a Snake Eyes figure just feels like Hasbro is begging me to stop buying vehicles all together.

The Thunderclap was pretty cool, too.

[Stormgard]

How about instead of one big playset they put our a series of smaller ones that could be used individually for play or dioramas but could also be put together into a big modular base?


Watch tower and roadblock

Gun positions/bunker

Forward observation post

Communications center

Radar station

etc


They could release three of these to start and then a new one every year or so. You could of course pick up mutiples to kind of custom make your own base.

[Shin Densetsu]

One day I might just buy a huge plank of wood and make my own Flagg. I don't think Hasbro will ever re-release it. Something like the Night Raven and MAAYBE even the General I could see, but the Flagg? Doubtful.

[Vance1714]

I don't see this EVER HAPPENING, PIPE DREAMS!!! The price alone would put the nails in the coffin as far as Hasbro is concerned. Really where in the hell would most of us put this freakin thing?

[holyfrog]

Fixed
The clap was pretty cool, too.

[deejay1990]

Ready