Unreleased Cobra base for Retaliation?

[DarkHorse]

What are the odds of any of these being brought off the shelves for Retaliation's big vehicle?

http://www.hisstank.com/gi-joe-news/attach/4/2/0/1/1/GI-Joe-Cobra-Mobile-Command-Center-01_1302552171.jpg

http://www.hisstank.com/gi-joe-news/attach/4/2/0/1/1/GI-Joe-Cobra-Mobile-Command-Center-03_1302552171.jpg

http://www.hisstank.com/gi-joe-news/attach/4/2/0/1/1/GI-Joe-Cobra-Mobile-Command-Center-02_1302552171.jpg

[dpstro]

we be great but I doubt it.

[Troynos]

Slim to none.


I doubt Retaliation will have a big vehicle.

[tkprime]

I'd buy it!

[Jmacq1]

Slim to none.


I doubt Retaliation will have a big vehicle.

What he said.

It would have been revealed at Toy Fair if it was coming.

[Nirvana]

Slim to none.


And slim left town.

[kneroh]

Ask any store manager than clearanced out the last one down to $15.

[Tauron]

Shame too because the version with the rocket would be a great tip of the cap to the old Sear carboard special.

[MJjoe4life]

Highly unlikely. It would be kinda cool.

[england joe]

Not likely the new hisstanks i dont think would fit.
I would love them to be produced id be first in line.

[RolandofGilead]

I'll do my Joe Fan duty and wait for it to show up at Ross.

[Starfighter]

I do like the original 1982 MISSILE COMMAND HEADQUARTERS influence with that missile.

[paraviper]

What are the odds of any of these being brought off the shelves for Retaliation's big vehicle?

http://www.hisstank.com/gi-joe-news/attach/4/2/0/1/1/GI-Joe-Cobra-Mobile-Command-Center-01_1302552171.jpg

http://www.hisstank.com/gi-joe-news/attach/4/2/0/1/1/GI-Joe-Cobra-Mobile-Command-Center-03_1302552171.jpg

http://www.hisstank.com/gi-joe-news/attach/4/2/0/1/1/GI-Joe-Cobra-Mobile-Command-Center-02_1302552171.jpg

Now That I would have bought two or three of. Shame that it never made it.

[DarkHorse]

I'd buy the first at full price. Probably not the second one.

I think these would succeed at retail where the Pit failed. You could also shave $30 off the price tag getting rid of the electronic crap.

[WVMojo]

Something like those would make more sense then the way the Pit was built, but given how it sold I doubt we'd see something like that.

[nova]

I think these would succeed at retail where the Pit failed. You could also shave $30 off the price tag getting rid of the electronic crap.

It's funny you say that because adding the electronics lets Hasbro increase the MSRP.


During the Hasbro Tour at the 2010 Joecon, Hasbro Designers were showing off the ROC Howler prototype...they specifically said it would have had "Light and Sound" features so they could charge more for it.

The cost of the electronics is pitifully little...but as consumers we see the "Light and Sound" starburst on the package and the extra $5-$10 is easily rationalized.

As for the "Cobra Missile Launching Love Boat Fucking an RV" not very likely...

[Raw Dog]

Of gawd, I hope the chances are good, lol, fingers crossed!

[GI Guppy the third]

Are these two separate bases or one that transforms into both?

[Troynos]

Are these two separate bases or one that transforms into both?

Separate. I think it was two ideas using the PIT as a base.

[Raw Dog]

I would rather the missile base than the other one but they are both pretty rad IMO.

[hurricane]

that is so much cooler than the PIT. I would buy it

[Crimson Rage]

Chances? After seeing the cutbacks and reuse of parts on many of the existing Retaliation vehicles, the term "less than zero" springs to mind.

[07GT500 COBRA]

The missle version is okay. The other meh.

Honestly, I'd buy repaints of the '83 Headquarters or '85 Tactical Battle Platform before these though.

[CityStrike]

Separate. I think it was two ideas using the PIT as a base.


It could be an awesome idea if they did something using both sections shown here and also sell a Mobile Forward Command Deck ( maybe a Helipad) and that pulls these sections. Sell each piece individually for around $30 -33. I think that is a reasonable price if they remove the two HISS tanks from the second section pictured above and replace them with the mini Retaliation tanks. For $90 -100 bucks you would have the sickest Cobra base since the TD. For that price I would hope it would be nicely detailed and accessorized.

I like the idea similar to those Bradford Exchange Xmas Collectible trains were were can build onto the previous.


Chances? After seeing the cutbacks and reuse of parts on many of the existing Retaliation vehicles, the term "less than zero" springs to mind.

But sadly this is the truth and this will never happen....

[Xenos]

Separate. I think it was two ideas using the PIT as a base.

That's what I thought at first too, but if you look at the missile base picture, you can see that it's sitting on the flat area that the Hiss is on. Now, it might still have been two separate ideas (especially since I don't know where the small missile launchers would go when the missile base was on it), but it sure would have been cool if the large missile part was removable to make a base.

[The Commander]

I wish they would it reminds me of the sears exclusive as well

[Troynos]

A modular base would rock but be a retailer nightmare.

Remember the MASS device?

Multiply that by 100 and you'll get the problem would have with a modular system.


Now if all the parts were out at the same time? That could work but would still be a nightmare.

[GI Guppy the third]

I think I like the hiss platform just because it reminds me of those bridge platforms that unfold in a similar fashion. I know it's not exactly practical for Cobra but I still thinks its kind of cool.

[GI Guppy the third]

A modular base would rock but be a retailer nightmare.

Remember the MASS device?

Multiply that by 100 and you'll get the problem would have with a modular system.


Now if all the parts were out at the same time? That could work but would still be a nightmare.

I always thought a platform system that could connect side by side or be stacked with different base sets sold separately could be kind of cool.

[Lifeline_MD]

Its too bad that the PIT was such an utter failure, because this version actually looks cool and functional.

And I suspect would have sold better because of the nod (intentional or not) to the old Sears Missile Base.

*shrug*

[Troynos]

A platform/modular system could be cool, but would run into a larger problem then had with the DVD MASS Device packs.

Some areas still had the first two when the 5th was showing up in other areas. So some people have incomplete Mass Devices.


Best way to do it would be a case that has 2 of each part in it. Then have to hope that they sell in the same amounts at the same time.

[Jmacq1]

I always thought a platform system that could connect side by side or be stacked with different base sets sold separately could be kind of cool.

Honestly it's the kind of thing that is more likely to be realized by a third party than by any major toy manufacturer at this point.

[Grippen]

nearly 0 specially after seeing the vehicles of this line were cost saving was the word. At least its good money that i dont spend in vehicles.

[bassistcarlos]

I would want that base, but PLEASE!!!!, put a fully articulated figure with it; not that 5 points nonsense.

[blackbarn]

If they can't sell these larger bases without them hitting clearance, why doesn't Hasbro go back to selling a cardboard base like the original missile one from Sears? It would be low cost, look cool for collectors, and have good play value for kids.

[Troynos]

If they can't sell these larger bases without them hitting clearance, why doesn't Hasbro go back to selling a cardboard base like the original missile one from Sears? It would be low cost, look cool for collectors, and have good play value for kids.

Probably because their research/marketing people have determined that it won't sell to the kiddos.

[CrimsonGuard101]

Why they cant make this vs. that stupid Winnebago we got in ROC is beyond me...this i would buy at least 2 of...maybe a third to reapaint....cobra needs more ballistic missile transporters like this...

But like others said, since the ROC Winnebago failed us so hard....this thing was destined to never be as a result...thanks for nothing ROC! Had POC continued and not been derailed by a delayed movie toy line..it would have had a better chance.

[Troynos]

The RoC Mobile PIT was in the RoC video game, which is probably why we ended up getting that.

[CrimsonGuard101]

The RoC Mobile PIT was in the RoC video game, which is probably why we ended up getting that.

Yeah and that game was so popular that it sold billions of the ROC winnebago at retail..yeah right good plan...another failure racked up by ROC weeeee

[memphis01]

No chance at all but this rocket base pretty nice

[CobraOfficer999]

Looks awesome. If If were less than $100, I'd buy it.

[youdoitimbusy]

What are the odds of any movie acurate vehicles being made?

[carion]

I would buy two of each, if they were under $100.

[Raw Dog]

I think the odds are pretty good as long as the movie and toy line are a success.

[ero]

It is nice though. The HISS Tanks look great on it.

[monstermonkey]

I really doubt they'd do another vehicle/playset for Joe again after the ROC PIT mess. It's a shame, I'd buy either one of these designs...throw in a figure or 2 (fully articulated, no '78 Star Wars stiffs) and I'd give them $80 or so for it. I passed on the PIT even when I saw it for marked down to like $30, but I'd get one of these right away.

[SonOfMindbender]

Damn shame!

[GI Guppy the third]

A platform/modular system could be cool, but would run into a larger problem then had with the DVD MASS Device packs.

Some areas still had the first two when the 5th was showing up in other areas. So some people have incomplete Mass Devices.


Best way to do it would be a case that has 2 of each part in it. Then have to hope that they sell in the same amounts at the same time.

I getcha. Which is why I would never make a set the depended on other sets to complete. Just leave the option. I think there's enough scratch builders that would buy up blanks and build their own. When I think back to when I was a kid, I spent more time building temporary bases than actually playing with the figures.

This is more about rethinking the idea of a play set to appeal to more of the creative sides of children. Like what if they designed Lego base sets instead of the vehicles they came out with? They could make Lego panels that snap down but have a molded base floor with a couple foot pegs.

[Moses]

I getcha. Which is why I would never make a set the depended on other sets to complete. Just leave the option. I think there's enough scratch builders that would buy up blanks and build their own. When I think back to when I was a kid, I spent more time building temporary bases than actually playing with the figures.

This is more about rethinking the idea of a play set to appeal to more of the creative sides of children. Like what if they designed Lego base sets instead of the vehicles they came out with? They could make Lego panels that snap down but have a molded base floor with a couple foot pegs.

That's probably why kids I know are more interested in Lego sets than action figures.

[Snow_Serpent]

I would have bought two of those at MSRP.

[Brcall]

I would have bought two of those at MSRP.

I would have bought either version. Not to mention the Ravage/Baroness, the X90, or the Mauler repaints they had in the same slideshow:

Rise Of Cobra Howler And Hasbro Archive Images - GI Joe News (http://www.hisstank.com/gi-joe-news/conventions-9/rise-of-cobra-howler-and-hasbro-archive-images-10318/)

[generic trooper]

Between Marvel Universe and Joe (25th on), space is kind of running out for displays. That issue aside, do want.

[speedlgt]

not that i would not buy it but can we get a regular base please!! do we have to keep getting these rolling HQ things that transform and are kinda cool in one mode or the other but never really great at one!

I am tired of rolling HQ things i just basically walls and a floor thats a base like castle greyskull! can we just get that please oh and i need it for cobra

[sithewok]

I had no interest in the pit, (but I still want that ping pong table...) but I would have bought this in a heartbeat.

[Nemesis*Prime]

What are the odds of any of these being brought off the shelves for Retaliation's big vehicle?

http://www.hisstank.com/gi-joe-news/attach/4/2/0/1/1/GI-Joe-Cobra-Mobile-Command-Center-01_1302552171.jpg

http://www.hisstank.com/gi-joe-news/attach/4/2/0/1/1/GI-Joe-Cobra-Mobile-Command-Center-03_1302552171.jpg

http://www.hisstank.com/gi-joe-news/attach/4/2/0/1/1/GI-Joe-Cobra-Mobile-Command-Center-02_1302552171.jpg

I wish. Not only are the odds of another big vehicle, after the RoC one flopped, slim to none but a big vehicle or base for COBRA is even slimmer.

[Beckley]

I'd buy it!

I'd buy two

[ecmagee1984]

I just want those hiss tanks

[Scotty97]

It really is a shame that we won't see this thing, because it's such a massive improvement on the original. The original felt cheap and uninspired, this looks like a base full of badass. But unfortunately, like Kneroh said, I think the massive failure of the last one will keep this permanently shelved. Though I'd sure like to know where that mock-up is...

[agent888]

wish i had been a member on the tank before i got the roc pit at full retail, real let down. would really dig a stationary base/playset but i agree that 3rd party may be the only thing we ever get. how cool would it be if that sk omega line gets off the ground? that hive is the sh@tz

[FlintWO2]

As a missile launch platform toy, that thing would be great. But, it would probably have an $80-$100 price point. And I just can't see retailers picking that up. We have a hard enough time with them restocking $20-$30 vehicles.

[Colder Soldier]

Slim to none. I doubt Retaliation will have a big vehicle.

^This.

I promise I'd drop $100 on the missile version if it ever came out. If it hit $50 later on, I'd buy another.

[ChadVamp]

Is this real?

[CG82]

That really wouldve been an awesome vehicle that way it was presented there colors and all. Reminds me of the good stuff from ARAH back in te day. Wish to God Hasbro would take a chance on GI JOE and go all out like they once did. The Cobra Shredder wouldve been nice too for a Cobra version of the Mauler.

[Colder Soldier]

Is this real?

Nope. Total figment produced by the halucinogens you're taking.







They are unproduced Hasbro ideas.

[BvH]

A repainted RoC Pit? I'd rather have Steelgrave's Snow version. :/

[ChadVamp]

I guess the real question is can someone kit bash this?

[Money-B]

I would have bought either version. Not to mention the Ravage/Baroness, the X90, or the Mauler repaints they had in the same slideshow:

Rise Of Cobra Howler And Hasbro Archive Images - GI Joe News (http://www.hisstank.com/gi-joe-news/conventions-9/rise-of-cobra-howler-and-hasbro-archive-images-10318/)

The list of cool things we will never get continues to grow.
I can't wait to see what they will add to it this year.

[luigi]

I doubt Retaliation will have a big vehicle.
same


so when did we learn of the ROC pitt

[46 Zone]

What ever happened to that Avengers heli-carrier? If that doesn't make it to stores, then GI Joe will never get a big vehicle.

[Psycho Joe Guy]

As for the "Cobra Missile Launching Love Boat Fucking an RV" not very likely...

I agree. That thing is crap, and by the time production changes were made to it, it would make the Pit look like a masterpiece. With minimal effort a combination of a Pit and the True Heroes missile launch complex could produce an even better looking similar vehicle at less than half what Hasbro's MSRP would be.

[Kaboomskie]

I'd buy that SRP in a heartbeat.

[Nemesis*Prime]

If Hasbro was smart (which is not very often) and wanted to do another large vehicle/base, they'd repaint this bad boy in COBRA colors . . .http://i.marvelousnews.com/g/generated/Finds/2012_SDCC_Hellicarrier//Marvel-SDCC-Super_Heli_Box__scaled_600.jpg
And than we could finally get a COBRA air carrier like the ones from the Sunbow cartoon . . .
http://joetoonarchive.com/albums/Movie%20Intro/0061.gif

[Slim]

And slim left town.

I did ? :P

[AlleyViperEXE]

That thing looks pretty sweet. I'd probably pick one up.

[daremo]

http://www.hisstank.com/gi-joe-news/attach/4/2/0/1/1/GI-Joe-Cobra-Mobile-Command-Center-03_1302552171.jpg

http://www.hisstank.com/gi-joe-news/attach/4/2/0/1/1/GI-Joe-Cobra-Mobile-Command-Center-02_1302552171.jpg

I doubt we'll see anything like this after the ROC Pitt. They made nice use of the True Heroes Rocket Hauler parts though...

http://www.majhost.com/gallery/daremo/Flashback-Memories/rocket_hauler.jpg

[GI abe444]

That would be very cool , but doubtful

[Kolschey]

They'll be lucky to move the vehicles that are already part of the Retaliation line in March. My guess is that vehicles in general are going to be quite scarce after retailers finally get rid of the current selection of Wave 1 and 2 stock...

[JoeMama]

I would love this thing. Probably 2.

[CG82]

I think had they released this as a cobra vehicle originally it wouldve sold more.

[DarkHorse]

I think had they released this as a cobra vehicle originally it wouldve sold more.


I agree totally.

[Scoop]

Shame too because the version with the rocket would be a great tip of the cap to the old Sear carboard special.

I'm sure that's exactly what they had in mind during pre-production.

I know that's the first thing that came to my mind when I first saw that pic a few months ago.

[Kann]

Anyone here anything about this being made yet?

[Kaboomskie]

Is that a jail I see on the second pic..with Airborne on it???

[nightrattler]

Why they didn't make this and instead made that pos command center is beyond me.

[cobracobra]

The PIT is and was such a POS.

[jmc2915]

maybe they will release in the next "_____ of cobra" line as an modern era rolling thunder.

[Steevy Maximus]

Why they didn't make this and instead made that pos command center is beyond me.
The Cobra Command vehicles seen in this thread were conceived as means to reuse the PITT tooling to begin with. Without the PiTT the foundation for these vehicles doesn't exist.

maybe they will release in the next "_____ of cobra" line as an modern era rolling thunder.

Anyone here anything about this being made yet?

Unless Retaliation is a super crazy success with instant toy sellout and HUGE increase in the brand...these are never going to be made.
GI Joe is just not successful enough to warrant a $100 at retail. And after the mess with the RoC high priced stuff...retail REALLY isn't interested in that kind of stuff.

[Str8cash]

A large mobile cobra base is such a rarity. I would buy any of the versions and in multiples.

[Mr Hebime]

A large mobile cobra base is such a rarity. I would buy any of the versions and in multiples.

I thought it was one base with the option to switch out different accessories?

[Str8cash]

I thought it was one base with the option to switch out different accessories?

Even better !!

[Steevy Maximus]

I thought it was one base with the option to switch out different accessories?

More than likely, Hasbro had two concepts for the same idea. Since it wasn't ever going to see production they just showed both to give some idea of the thoughts and ideas Hasbro was entertaining back in 2009.

[PrimeTarget]

Man... It is a shame that this will not be made.

[Typhis]

I would buy it!!!!!

[sbartek1974]

Hasbro needs to take preorders and produce them in the numbers that are actually wanted...oh wait...nevermind.

[Psycho Joe Guy]

Take away the glamor lighting and the extra detailing that pre-production models always have, and take a long hard look at the ROC PITT's chassis with different tops, all of which could easily be customized from existing PITT's (providing they don't break, which is no guarantee) and True Heroes toys for less than half of what the PITT retailed for ($100). It's a crap toy; you're looking through fanboy beer goggles.

[toystorerecords]

wow this one looks pretty cool. Very Rolling Thunder-ish!
I actually like it alot better than the pit!

[DR.Sin]

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, I am still hoping to find Hasbro's various toy lines on shelves. Release of that new PITT better be after various Star wars figures get put onto empty pegs, transformers various hard to find movie stuff gets released, and actual releases on the POC/30th Joe figures and vehicles onto retail shelves and not straight to discount chains (the order of release does not matter much to me).

Nowadays I am not hoping and dreaming for new vehicles or figures for anything. Hasbro can't even seem to release anything that they have shown at their toy conventions. I just want to see the toys that they promised. If they can't do that, then they have failed their consumers.

Release the promised stuff first, then follow up with newer stuff. Otherwise Hasbro will just make the knot tighter and tighter until they can't pull it apart at all.

[Darth Regar]

It would be cool if Hasbro released it for real :(

But a whole new Terrordrome would be even more unlikely I thing...

[ChaplainAsst]

Take away the glamor lighting and the extra detailing that pre-production models always have, and take a long hard look at the ROC PITT's chassis with different tops, all of which could easily be customized from existing PITT's (providing they don't break, which is no guarantee) and True Heroes toys for less than half of what the PITT retailed for ($100). It's a crap toy; you're looking through fanboy beer goggles.

I basically agree with this. Much like the unproduced USS Flagg, if they had built it people would complain - too expensive, not much of a toy, reminisce about older playsets, etc. The problem for Hasbro is that they are simply required to make any playset a vehicle. They basically tried to stick a playset on wheels for these prototypes, which is creative but inevitably silly. In the end, it would have been a poor seller.

Hasbro's sweet spot is when they build a Cobra army builder vehicle. The HISS worked initially because it was a) inexpensive, b) not too big, and c) a TANK! In terms of playsets, the problem is that kids MIGHT buy one. It is all about the sweet spot of price, size and coolness. Hasbro continues to revolt against a modular playset but this is the best answer for a Cobra toy because it could potentially be either kind of small or massive, depending on how many modules you put together. This could ONLY work if Hasbro has solved the problem of getting product on the shelves at retail. But it also could be an endless run of different rooms to add, each one being small on their own but make something larger. Heck, they could even follow the Star Trek figures' lead and have chairs and control panels with figures!

Sadly, this won't come about either. In Hasbro's mind right now, they would rather cash in on something easy and fits a ready made formula than to go back to being a ground-breaking toy company. They are stuck in "what works" rather than being innovative.

And this is why the Hasbro brands languish.

[ChaplainAsst]

Of course, the only real mobile Cobra base that is feasible is the ARBCO truck headquarters for CC. That actually could be pretty cool and sell well. But I doubt Hasbro would see the potential there.

[Superjoe74]

This prototype is reminiscent of the Sears Missile Command Center and could easily be considered a ME update. It's a neat toy.

[The Commander]

Wish we would have gotten this version.

Oh, and the PIT playset was great IMO. Maybe nothing about it was comic/cartoon/movie cannon, but it was still a fun playset.

[maradona]

I'd buy them in a heartbeat, but sadly I doubt Hasbro will make it.

[UNDERCOVER]

I don't really like it, so i think i would pass.

[crock master]

bases and command centers with wheels ,piss me off. so stupid. the only base that can pull this off is the Technodrome

im going to put a vintage terror drome on monster truck wheels

[Superjoe74]

bases and command centers with wheels ,piss me off. so stupid. the only base that can pull this off is the Technodrome

im going to put a vintage terror drome on monster truck wheels

None of us like the wheeled base concept-but, with this command center, I overlook it because the rest of the toy is still neat.

[Jinx723]

For every one of you that say they will buy it, there's 25 that won't.
It all comes down to money. Hasbro is a business and their goal is to make money. Considering our present global economic situations, Hasbro's not gonna invest money on large play sets just because you want one.

[Crimson Gord]

i would buy it, whatever the crazy retail price.

[Red Sox]

That Missile Command tribute is way better than the PIT that we got. Too bad it won't see the light of day. :-(

[Shipshape1983]

Maybe Hasbro can take this towards the same route that Mattel did with Castle Greyskull.

[Xenos]

Wish we would have gotten this version.

Oh, and the PIT playset was great IMO. Maybe nothing about it was comic/cartoon/movie cannon, but it was still a fun playset.

I agree, except that it annoyed me that a lot of it was almost in MASK scale. Like the bed in the infirmary, the computer bank that had the sound effects, and the jail. Joes just didn't look right standing next to those parts.

[switchback]

this looks way cooler than the one they put out, I'd get one before they hit clearance and then a couple more when they did

[RolandofGilead]

For every one of you that say they will buy it, there's 25 that won't.
It all comes down to money. Hasbro is a business and their goal is to make money. Considering our present global economic situations, Hasbro's not gonna invest money on large play sets just because you want one.

What!?

You've shattered my self image damn you.

[Python_Puckman]

bases and command centers with wheels ,piss me off. so stupid. the only base that can pull this off is the Technodrome

im going to put a vintage terror drome on monster truck wheels

Exactly right

[Steel Brigade]

I doubt it, after ROC, this is the last thing retailers want.

[UNDERCOVER]

I doubt it, after ROC, this is the last thing retailers want.

True. Another Joe vehicle on the self with dust all over it.

[Shipshape1983]

Well, mini playsets sell ok right? Those walmart exclusive sets sold pretty well.

Thats why they're so hard to find and expensive these days.

[ChaplainAsst]

Well, mini playsets sell ok right? Those walmart exclusive sets sold pretty well.

Thats why they're so hard to find and expensive these days.

In plenty of areas, they didn't. I saw several stores selling them on clearance. WM is notorious for poor distribution and these sets were a great example. Some stores never had them until very late in the cycle - thus, they were sold at clearance prices. Others put them out earlier and they sold pretty well even if they were a little pricey compared to similar 25th sets( as we're most ROC toys) .

[Xenos]

In plenty of areas, they didn't. I saw several stores selling them on clearance. WM is notorious for poor distribution and these sets were a great example. Some stores never had them until very late in the cycle - thus, they were sold at clearance prices. Others put them out earlier and they sold pretty well even if they were a little pricey compared to similar 25th sets( as we're most ROC toys) .

Yeah, the only time I ever saw them was when they showed up after Christmas on clearance, It was really annoying too, since I wanted extras of a couple of them, but they just weren't around.

[Syn3sthesia]

How did I miss this POS playset?
Keep it Hasblow, no more turds on wheels.

[Psycho Joe Guy]

In plenty of areas, they didn't. I saw several stores selling them on clearance. WM is notorious for poor distribution and these sets were a great example. Some stores never had them until very late in the cycle - thus, they were sold at clearance prices. Others put them out earlier and they sold pretty well even if they were a little pricey compared to similar 25th sets( as we're most ROC toys) .

The Walmarts in this area NEVER got them, or anything past ROC wave 1, at all. GI Joe toys sell very well here, too. ...another example of how Walmart will "sit" on product to prevent reorders in order to get a lower price at wholesale.