Marauder wave 6 comments

[Mermaniel]

Well pretty much everything is perfect. The new optics, the automatic shotty, AK. My only complaint is the M4, is it just me or is it a little too big?

Dan

[Konigstiger]

Not an M4, but a HK416.


Someone posted pics of the tacticool AK and the magazine looked like it from a Saiga 12K.

[Mermaniel]

Well still seems a little big IMO. No?

[Konigstiger]

It could very well be. They look different scale-wise in the two sets of pics I've seen.

[Mermaniel]

Tapco also does mags like that for AKs..

[Mermaniel]

Well I have them in hand and the HK is a little big...

[Samuntrus]

Do you have any pics?

[Konigstiger]

Tapco also does mags like that for AKs..

Do they look big enough to feed a Saiga? ;)


You tell me: (photo courtesy of Major Blood)

http://www.fighting118th.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/wm-31.jpg

[Mermaniel]

True. Lol

[Mermaniel]

Dont get me wrong. I still love their stiff and they give the best service ever.

[Konigstiger]

Yeah, the hits outweigh the misses.

[Scotty97]

I got the set and absolutely love it. However, I know nothing about guns other than "that one looks cool", so a lot of the little sights and their uses are lost on me. I just put scopes and handgrips on the ones I thought they looked coolest on, lol. A couple of them, I don't know which gun their supposed to go with(the sights, that is. I think I figured out the scopes).

[marauder_john]

Well pretty much everything is perfect. The new optics, the automatic shotty, AK. My only complaint is the M4, is it just me or is it a little too big?

Dan


Hey!
The FOS is "based" on a weapon that chambers the bigger 7.62 caliber bullet, instead of the tiny 5.56 caliber bullet used with the M4 & M16. The real world "inspiration" weapon that the FOS weapon is based on uses the 7.62 bullet, is NOT an M4 and is larger size than the M4 in "real life." We've released so many of the small caliber type "tiny" M4 variant weapons that we went for the bigger sized weapon that uses the "big" bullet.

Also, check out some of the images on our facebook page or here are some GREAT images posted by our fellow Hisstank member orezona that give a good reference for the figure/weapon size ratio:




Here's a few pics I just took after setting some stuff up:

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c102/axisofevilskateboards/COBRAAAAA/IMG_1102.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c102/axisofevilskateboards/COBRAAAAA/IMG_1104.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c102/axisofevilskateboards/COBRAAAAA/IMG_1106.jpg



MJ

[estanley1974]

Coolest details but most are out of scale

[Mermaniel]

Perfect. No worries guys, not trying to bash you. Thanks for the explanation. Love your stuff and Ive been a long time faithful customer. And will continue to be. The AK is gold. The Eotech style sights, the holes at the end of the silencers, the finger grooved mags, the foldable Magpul style forend. Even the 3 point sling slots on the T6 stocks, I mean your stuff is gold! I was just curious about the M4. Now that I know its not one, we're cool. Lol

[Dragasses]

I still love their stiff and they give the best service ever.
wow. that's quite a typo.

naw budt, I still love you.

[Mermaniel]

*stuff*LOL!!! Stupid tiny Android keyboard. :D

[Colonel Bludd]

Its a great series as well but are some of the handles too big? some of my figures have a hard time holding the flame thrower and the desert eagle

[marauder_john]

Its a great series as well but are some of the handles too big? some of my figures have a hard time holding the flame thrower and the desert eagle

Hey!
The Aliens Flamethrower has a unique "trigger in the grip" design (there isn't a "regular" trigger to fire the weapon, you "squeeze" the handle to fire the weapon). If you compare the weapon to the "real world" scifi prop, you'll see it is pretty accurate in design & scale:

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc176/marauderjohn/s6flame2.jpg

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc176/marauderjohn/flamesmall.jpg

The Desert Eagle is a large weapon..and it would have been even larger if we would have gone after the 50 caliber version with the 12 inch barrel, instead of the 357 version with the 6 inch barrel.

MJ

[wertdog91]

Dont get me wrong. I still love their stiff and they give the best service ever.

This is the truest statement

[Deadaim]

Personally I think set 6 is some of the best yet!! I love Marauder weapons and accessories!!

[sithewok]

Loving the set so far - just received it today. Some issues with pieces not staying on moreso than the last series, but really loving the details on most of these...

Edit: the clip for the saiga is my main issue. Going to have to glue them in. Most other parts are fine fits for me. Wish there were side holes for mounting accessories, though. I'm kind of gun-dumb, but aren't the peq boxes often mounted on a side rail?

Honestly, overall, this set is killer. Considering updating all of my blue shirts to these ne ak's...

[Hard-er Master]

Great stuff! Got some Vectors and a couple of M249's.

Excellent service & shipping.

HM.

[nerdsgetchicks]

I was wondering about O-Ring figs. Anyone have a pic with the new stuff and O-ring figs?

[Obi-Shinobi]

That sees the obvious problem with this new Marauder gun?

http://www.majhost.com/gallery/ShadowofDeth/Custom-figures/WIPs/p1010648.jpg

In what fantasy world does 5+" equate to 1:18th?!?!

http://www.majhost.com/gallery/ShadowofDeth/Custom-figures/WIPs/p1010649.jpg

I know some people like their weapons on the bigger ARAH
side of the fence, but come on... this is just stupid ridiculous.

Any thoughts

[nerdsgetchicks]

I was wondering the same thing and never got an answer. I cannot see these fitting the O-Ring style at all! Great stuff but kinda bigger scale.

http://media.monstersandcritics.com/galleries/1191204/0133890250085.jpg

[Obi-Shinobi]

Also... this is NOT a matter of opinion. It IS a matter of mathmatical fact. It only takes a few minutes to scale a real piece to correct 1:18th, so what`s the problem?

The term "1:18th" is not just a catch phrase to encompass anything from 3.75 to whatever you like. This is not the way the real world works.

On a real 6' person, a real M4 styled rifle with a 16" barrel and a closed buttstock should only come up to the lower thigh when placed alongside the leg. It should never be equivalent to a full sized M16 in length.

[GI Guppy the third]

*looks up length of M4 with extended stock-33"
x25.4 to get the millimeters
/18 to get the 1/18 scale

46.566 mm

The FOS shouldn't be larger than this.

[Mermaniel]

I dont see such a huge difference...*coughs*

The HK416 is on the bottom...pretty much the same size as an M4

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a314/danielsantiago/4622665711_8cb13b259b.jpg

[nerdsgetchicks]

I was wondering about O-Ring figs. Anyone have a pic with the new stuff and O-ring figs?

Model M4 M4 Commando
Caliber 5.56-mm
Cartridge type 5.56 x 45 mm
Dimensions and weight
Total weight 3.15 kg 3.08 kg
Total weight (with empty magazine) 2.52 kg ?
Overall length 838 mm 758 mm
Length (with folded buttstock) 757 mm 676 mm
Barrel length 370 mm 290 mm
Fire characteristics
Bullet initial speed 841 m/s 800 m/s
Rate of fire 700 - 940 rpm 700 - 940 rpm
Practical rate of fire 30 - 100 rpm 30 - 100 rpm
Magazine capacity 30 rounds 30 rounds
Sighting range 600 m 400 m
Range of effective fire 360 m 250 - 300 m

http://www.enemyforces.net/firearms/m4.jpg

http://westernrifleshooters.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/ord_hk416_lg.jpg

[nerdsgetchicks]

Seeing as the ME figs are not 3.75 like the O-Ring figs. I think these are o.k. for the new figures but will look ridiculous for ARAH older figs.

[nerdsgetchicks]

I dont see such a huge difference...*coughs*

The HK416 is on the bottom...pretty much the same size as an M4

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a314/danielsantiago/4622665711_8cb13b259b.jpg

I won't even ask what picture #470 is of!! LMAO Merm!!!

[Obi-Shinobi]

Ok... so this piece is supposed to be the HK417 (7.62). Specs say it`s 34.84" in length with a 12" barrel standard. I rounded up to 35 and divided by 18. Answer - 1.94".

So why is this thing 2.25 long?

Another thing to consider is this. Even chambered for a slightly larger round, the handle and trigger don`t magically grow in size also. I shouldn't have a handle the size of a scaled 2 x 4.

Facts are facts, no matter how you try to justify it.

[CobraOfficer999]

Yeah, that gun's too big.

[jogunwarrior]

^^^ I was wondering this as well. Plan on ordering my set this weekend but would love to see some pics on what to expect.

[pyro678]

the sculptor probably couldnt do the math so eyeballed it.

[Mermaniel]

I won't even ask what picture #470 is of!! LMAO Merm!!!

I dont get it. LOL

[Mermaniel]

No matter how you look at it, it's too big. I agree.

[Obi-Shinobi]

No matter how you look at it, it's too big. I agree.

And i had such high hopes for this series, only to be greatly disappointed.

[Mermaniel]

Same here. the Saiga seems a little big too, but still nice. The others are cool too. There's so much more I'd like to see though.

[Konigstiger]

Looks like it got scaled closer to 1:15. Joes nowadays are bluring the 1:18 line, but still.

[GI Guppy the third]

3.75" isn't true 1/18 btw.

As for difference between fos and m4, there's very little but then again there has only been one m4 sculpt out of about a dozen sculpts from various lines that I've found to be accurate.

I'm not a fan of the FOS just because I have enough m4 clones. I was led to believe there was a compact model that resembles the Knights Armaments PDW in this series but there wasn't so I'm kind of passing. I still like the previous releases.

[Jmacq1]

If you check the thread Mermaniel posted earlier, the FOS is supposed to be modeled after a weapon chambered for 7.62mm ammo, not 5.56. It is intentionally a bit larger than the M-4 because of this.

[GI Guppy the third]

This is a 417 just for comparison

Heckler & Koch HK417 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_HK417)

The barrel in the marauder version would look like the 12" which make it a tad over 34"

[orezona]

Yes, you are the only one who is the self-appointed "ALL-THAT-IS-1:18-SCALE" High Chamberlain.

Sucks that you were "greatly disappointed"...

...so we all should be?

Get over yourself, dude.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c102/axisofevilskateboards/COBRAAAAA/IMG_1121.jpg

By the way, I'm not seeing the problem.

[GI Guppy the third]

Yes, you are the only one who is the self-appointed "ALL-THAT-IS-1:18-SCALE" High Chamberlain.

Sucks that you were "greatly disappointed"...

...so we all should be?

Get over yourself, dude.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c102/axisofevilskateboards/COBRAAAAA/IMG_1121.jpg

By the way, I'm not seeing the problem.

Get over yourself and get back to one of the million "retaliation figures suck" threads.

[Mermaniel]

If you check the thread Mermaniel posted earlier, the FOS is supposed to be modeled after a weapon chambered for 7.62mm ammo, not 5.56. It is intentionally a bit larger than the M-4 because of this.

Still doesnt explain why the handle and stock are so much larger. Even the free floating handguard is too thick. Larger caliber, doesnt necessarily equate to larger rifle.

[CornDog_The_Ninja]

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c102/axisofevilskateboards/COBRAAAAA/IMG_1121.jpg

By the way, I'm not seeing the problem.

I do. That rifle is way to big for the figure.

[Chief CWO]

Yes, you are the only one who is the self-appointed "ALL-THAT-IS-1:18-SCALE" High Chamberlain.

Sucks that you were "greatly disappointed"...

...so we all should be?

Get over yourself, dude.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c102/axisofevilskateboards/COBRAAAAA/IMG_1121.jpg

By the way, I'm not seeing the problem.

Looks big to me....

[orezona]

Also, check out some of the images on our facebook page or here are some GREAT images posted by our fellow Hisstank member orezona that give a good reference for the figure/weapon size ratio

Thanks man!

Personally, I love the entire Series 6. I don't care to collect ARAH/O-ring figures so whether or not any of the stuff you make fits them doesn't concern me.

On THAT note, it's a good thing that all the gear that's ever come with the old O-ring figures was exactly to 3.75" scale...

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c102/axisofevilskateboards/62b1c34e.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c102/axisofevilskateboards/5730089e.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c102/axisofevilskateboards/eee90fa5.jpg


...oh.

[Mermaniel]

Lets not even talk about how huge the Eotech sight is.

[Raw Dog]

I don't have that one yet, but it looks pretty bad-azz! I may get some now. Yeah, I think maybe I will, and I'll give them to my Bats or something. They can use them to give Joe what for. That would be sweet. Yeah, I'm going to do that.

[youdoitimbusy]

So you got twice what you paid for, id say you owe marauders some money...jk lol

[GI Guppy the third]

Thanks man!

Personally, I love the entire Series 6. I don't care to collect ARAH/O-ring figures so whether or not any of the stuff you make fits them doesn't concern me.

On THAT note, it's a good thing that all the gear that's ever come with the old O-ring figures was exactly to 3.75" scale...

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c102/axisofevilskateboards/62b1c34e.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c102/axisofevilskateboards/5730089e.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c102/axisofevilskateboards/eee90fa5.jpg


...oh.

I can show you some awesome wireless phones from the eighties too if you're interested.

[orezona]

I can show you some awesome wireless phones from the eighties too if you're interested.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c102/axisofevilskateboards/thread%20pics/confused_dog.jpg

[TR1ER]

Well you can't win them all it is what it is. John really did his best to make this wave happen. He had some issues to get this wave done but pulled thru and got them out.

[TU482]

Just got my order, and it is amazing. My favorites of series 6 are the m-240, the vector, the sniper rifle, and of course the flame thrower. The modular accessories seem to fit much better than previous waves (though I glue mine in anyway).

Great product, great customer service.

[Mermaniel]

Well you can't win them all it is what it is. John really did his best to make this wave happen. He had some issues to get this wave done but pulled thru and got them out.

Im a true fan of the work. Just thought I'd share my observation. I'll be returning for more in any case.

[TR1ER]

Im a true fan of the work. Just thought I'd share my observation. I'll be returning for more in any case.

Word word I feel ya dawg.

[Gilgamesh51]

Can't wait to get my 2 sets in. Once I mess around with each weapon in the set, I'll got nuts individually.

50 MP40s Please!

[Jmacq1]

Yes, you are the only one who is the self-appointed "ALL-THAT-IS-1:18-SCALE" High Chamberlain.

Sucks that you were "greatly disappointed"...

...so we all should be?

Get over yourself, dude.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c102/axisofevilskateboards/COBRAAAAA/IMG_1121.jpg

By the way, I'm not seeing the problem.

Ha! That's the exact same configuration for the FOS and figure I broke out when I got my shipment.

[nerdsgetchicks]

Thanks man!

Personally, I love the entire Series 6. I don't care to collect ARAH/O-ring figures so whether or not any of the stuff you make fits them doesn't concern me.

On THAT note, it's a good thing that all the gear that's ever come with the old O-ring figures was exactly to 3.75" scale...

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c102/axisofevilskateboards/62b1c34e.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c102/axisofevilskateboards/5730089e.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c102/axisofevilskateboards/eee90fa5.jpg


...oh.


That is why I want realistic weapons.

[Jmacq1]

Still doesnt explain why the handle and stock are so much larger. Even the free floating handguard is too thick. Larger caliber, doesnt necessarily equate to larger rifle.

OK, you've convinced me. Marauder John and all his products suck worse than anything in the history of ever. Pass the word!

[Obi-Shinobi]

Yes, you are the only one who is the self-appointed "ALL-THAT-IS-1:18-SCALE" High Chamberlain.

Sucks that you were "greatly disappointed"...

...so we all should be?

Get over yourself, dude.

By the way, I'm not seeing the problem.

I did not offer my opinion on the matter, only the facts. Did I say "these suck, and you shouldn't buy them"? No.

[GI Guppy the third]

Some people just are a little too sensitive...

[firefox]

I got my small package of wave 6 weapons today . My small friend Testy allready had his way with most of them. Overall i'm very pleased with this wave.

Some minor thingies: the barrel ol the custom AK-74 is a tiny bit short to accommadate the silencer really well, the round ammo clip op the automatic shotgun doens't really wanna stay in place well, so i'll have to glue it. The Chinese rifle is nice, but very hard to pose with a joe, because of the long stack, due to the gun's design, it's a common problem with bullpup weapons.

I wasn't every optimistic about the vector at first, but it works really well with my renegades cobra troopers . The flametrower with definately fall in dreadnock hands, to bad it doesn't come with a flame effect piece, that be really cool.

I'll definately order another bunch next month! I hope Marauder inc. will consider a modular F2000 and MP5 in the future

[nerdsgetchicks]

I love his work. I just think the scale is a tad off. Not a huge amount with the ME figs but would make my O-Rings look crazy!! I have several of his weapons and I love them all.

[Jmacq1]

I love his work. I just think the scale is a tad off. Not a huge amount with the ME figs but would make my O-Rings look crazy!! I have several of his weapons and I love them all.

Nope. They all suck. The inaccuracies of this rifle have erased several years of goodwill and outstanding customer service.

Oh, the tragedy of it all.

(Yes, I am, of course, being entirely sarcastic...love MJ and all his stuff).

Truth be told, this isn't the first weapon that's been a bit oversized (See: UMP 45), and is unlikely to be the last.

[GI Guppy the third]

The chinese rifle is nice, but very hard to pose wit


I'm not sure how it compares to the one that came with the RIA Ripcord, but it had its issues too. Might just be the awkwardness of the weapon and difficulty translating it to 1:18 figures.

[Obi-Shinobi]

Well, we can't have an intelligent debate over anything without some douche trying to start shit.

I can call people names for no reason too.

[Chief CWO]

Well, we can't have an intelligent debate over anything without some douche trying to start shit.

I can call people names for no reason too.

This is the Tank.... douche comments and starting shit is like breathing air.

[Konigstiger]

50 MP40s Please!


He missed the magazine receiver ridges. *ducks behind desk*.

I'm not sure how it compares to the one that came with the RIA Ripcord, but it had its issues too. Might just be the awkwardness of the weapon and difficulty translating it to 1:18 figures.

I think it's just 1:18 bullpup designs in general.

[Zarana]

Is the problem that they aren't neon? Because that is how I like to display my army men.

[nerdsgetchicks]

I remember the black sword from a while back having a really small handle as well. I figure that $#!T happens.

http://www.marauderinc.com/catalog/webkatana.jpg

While this on the other hand is PERFECT!!

http://www.marauderinc.com/catalog/umpweb1_thumb.jpg

[Mermaniel]

OK, you've convinced me. Marauder John and all his products suck worse than anything in the history of ever. Pass the word!

Wow. Did you just graduate middle school? I've been buying Marauder's stuff for 5 years and will continue too. I just think I'd share my observations on the rifle which is not in scale.

[nerdsgetchicks]

Wow. Did you just graduate middle school? I've been buying Marauder's stuff for 5 years and will continue too. I just think I'd share my observations on the rifle which is not in scale.

He was attempting to be sarcastic. I think....:)

[Obi-Shinobi]

Nope. They all suck. The inaccuracies of this rifle have erased several years of goodwill and outstanding customer service.

Oh, the tragedy of it all.

(Yes, I am, of course, being entirely sarcastic...love MJ and all his stuff).

Truth be told, this isn't the first weapon that's been a bit oversized (See: UMP 45), and is unlikely to be the last.

This is by far the only one oversized. The list is too big.

[GI Guppy the third]

I remember the black sword from a while back having a really small handle as well. I figure that $#!T happens.

http://www.marauderinc.com/catalog/webkatana.jpg

While this on the other hand is PERFECT!!

http://www.marauderinc.com/catalog/umpweb1_thumb.jpg

That's actually close to scale. Joes have hands that are larger than 1/18 and fixed at clutching a grapefruit. It's one of the many conundrums I've run into when designing my stuff digitally.

[nerdsgetchicks]

That's actually close to scale. Joes have hands that are larger than 1/18 and fixed at clutching a grapefruit. It's one of the many conundrums I've run into when designing my stuff digitally.

I could never get the sword to fit in any of my figures hands.

[phightower]

Overall I think the wave was good but the M4 and AK are too big. If you use some of the older magazines on the M4 it helps alot. The 240Bravo is ok but looks archaic without rails. The Intervention rifle is an A+ replacement for the one that comes with Lowlight.
The real stand outs for series is the optics, lights and lasers. The IR laser is perfect and the Surefire light grip is a great addition.
Probably years in the future but the next series' rifles needs to be smaller (maybe 1:16.5 scale) and a modular M249 mini-me is desperately needed.
Still the best resource on the web when it comes to weapons.
MJ should be quite pleased.

[marauder_john]

He missed the magazine receiver ridges. *ducks behind desk*.



.

No need to duck! We went with the MP40 version that has the ridges on the RIGHT side of the magazine receiver opening (when you eventually see one in person, you'll see the ridges on one side and not the other). During the extensive reference material process, most images of WWII MP40s had ridges on one side of the receiver or "no ridges" on both sides (along with several front site variations).

MJ

[Konigstiger]

That's an interesting bit of knowledge.


Still think it should have been an M1919A4 *ducks behind desk*.

[GI Guppy the third]

Overall I think the wave was good but the M4 and AK are too big. If you use some of the older magazines on the M4 it helps alot. The 240Bravo is ok but looks archaic without rails. The Intervention rifle is an A+ replacement for the one that comes with Lowlight.
The real stand outs for series is the optics, lights and lasers. The IR laser is perfect and the Surefire light grip is a great addition.
Probably years in the future but the next series' rifles needs to be smaller (maybe 1:16.5 scale) and a modular M249 mini-me is desperately needed.
Still the best resource on the web when it comes to weapons.
MJ should be quite pleased.

Plus 1

[orezona]

Well, only accepting perfection 100% of the time is going to lead to a lot of disappointment in life, if that's always your attitude.

With that said, I agree that some items from MJ aren't "perfect", but they still look awesome when displayed with my TOYS. We're talking about toys on this forum, right?
Because last time I checked, G.I. Joes were never intended to be scale modes, at least in the 3.75"-4" variety...

Case in point: That HK UMP45 from MJ is actually a little large especially when you compare it to the HK USC (that came with the 30th Viper), for example.

Still, it's a great accessory and for the level of detail and the service that MJ offers, well worth the price.

[nerdsgetchicks]

100% is not expected.

[GI Guppy the third]

Well, only accepting perfection 100% of the time is going to lead to a lot of disappointment in life, if that's always your attitude.

With that said, I agree that some items from MJ aren't "perfect", but they still look awesome when displayed with my TOYS. We're talking about toys on this forum, right?
Because last time I checked, G.I. Joes were never intended to be scale modes, at least in the 3.75"-4" variety...

Case in point: That HK UMP45 from MJ is actually a little large especially when you compare it to the HK USC (that came with the 30th Viper), for example.

Still, it's a great accessory and for the level of detail and the service that MJ offers, well worth the price.

In reality, we would still be happy with these if it wasn't for Hasbro stepping up their accuracy. Case in point, PoC Firefly's hk416 is really nice and something we wouldn't have seen from them 4 years ago. I appreciate people being happy, but criticism on scale does nothing but help, otherwise we're getting more oversized hot orange guns. I have to give marauder credit, because with bbi and 21st being out of the loop, he's the only one that can cause a little pressure to Hasbro to get things right.

[Raw Dog]

I'm okay with it being on the large side. It makes whoever is wielding it look like they are going to totally rock shite up, which is perfect for modern army action figures.

[Jettfire]

I can totally see where the OP is coming from. When I turn the key on my cupboard and open the door, I want my living, breathing 3 3/4" soldier to have a fully functioning gun that he can actually hold properly. Otherwise, my Indian is going to fill him full of arrows.

[marauder_john]

Overall I think the wave was good but the M4 and AK are too big. If you use some of the older magazines on the M4 it helps alot. The 240Bravo is ok but looks archaic without rails. The Intervention rifle is an A+ replacement for the one that comes with Lowlight.
The real stand outs for series is the optics, lights and lasers. The IR laser is perfect and the Surefire light grip is a great addition.
Probably years in the future but the next series' rifles needs to be smaller (maybe 1:16.5 scale) and a modular M249 mini-me is desperately needed.
Still the best resource on the web when it comes to weapons.
MJ should be quite pleased.

Hey!
Thanks for posting! Here are some quick answers:

The FOS is NOT an M4...it is VERY SIMILAR to an HK 417 (much larger weapon which uses the bigger 7.62 bullet instead of the tiny 5.56 bullet of the M4).

The AKM is an "Americanized" AK with the tactical rail system. The top mounted rail on the receiver and the bottom & top mounted rails on the barrel (along with "shock absorbing" stock) add size to the weapon, but if you 'remove" them the "guts" of the weapon are the same size as the orginal Ak47.

The M240 has a rail system on top of the receiver and the "heat guard" over the beginning of the barrel was left off at the request of soldiers tha used the weapon "in real life." Was told heat guard "got in the way, was easily broken and tossed as soon as the weapon went into the field."

Thanks!
MJ

MJ

[CornDog_The_Ninja]

I'm okay with it being on the large side.

http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee378/corndogtheninja/images.jpg

[marauder_john]

That's an interesting bit of knowledge.


Still think it should have been an M1919A4 *ducks behind desk*.

The 50 cal "Ma Duece" is line ahead of the Browning 30 cal (If the 50 cal prototype would have been completed in time, it would have been in this series). But the venerable air cooled 30 cal is on the candidate list!

MJ

[GI Guppy the third]

The 50 cal "Ma Duece" is line ahead of the Browning 30 cal (If the 50 cal prototype would have been completed in time, it would have been in this series). But the venerable air cooled 30 cal is on the candidate list!

MJ

Is there much difference between the m1919 and m1917 outside of the barrel? Just wondering because a m1917 slide over barrel would be cool as a modular item. I know it's not a popular gun but I've always wanted to make one that imitates the classic Wolverine cover.

[Konigstiger]

The 50 cal "Ma Duece" is line ahead of the Browning 30 cal (If the 50 cal prototype would have been completed in time, it would have been in this series). But the venerable air cooled 30 cal is on the candidate list!

MJ

Hope it's a doosey. Several M2s out there as well. :(

[orezona]

I can totally see where the OP is coming from. When I turn the key on my cupboard and open the door, I want my living, breathing 3 3/4" soldier to have a fully functioning gun that he can actually hold properly. Otherwise, my Indian is going to fill him full of arrows.

+1 to you and anyone else who gets that reference!

[Riotheory]

+1 to you and anyone else who gets that reference!

I get it! I get it! +1 for me! Wooh!

R.

[Konigstiger]

+1 to you and anyone else who gets that reference!

I certainly do.

[Frank Talltree]

That sees the obvious problem with this new Marauder gun?

http://www.majhost.com/gallery/ShadowofDeth/Custom-figures/WIPs/p1010648.jpg

In what fantasy world does 5+" equate to 1:18th?!?!

http://www.majhost.com/gallery/ShadowofDeth/Custom-figures/WIPs/p1010649.jpg

I know some people like their weapons on the bigger ARAH
side of the fence, but come on... this is just stupid ridiculous.

Any thoughts

Your not the only one. You must have missed it on the front page. This has been mentioned in the Marauder wave 6 comments thread by Mermaniel at least a couple of times. That thread has been active for a week now.

[Riotheory]

It is really big. I also think it looks really cool in spite of that, though I don't have one in hand at this point. The pics here with Steel Brigade are shiny:

"Basic" FOS Assault Rifle w/ Clip(1)-1:18 Scale Weapon for 3-3/4" Action Figures | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Basic-FOS-Assault-Rifle-w-Clip-1-1-18-Scale-Weapon-for-3-3-4-Action-Figures?item=190688340328&cmd=ViewItem&_trksid=p5197.m7&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D5%26po%3D LVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D50070959283344959#ht_944wt _1037)

I showed my 8 year old the pic here with Joe Trooper, and he said it was way too big to be cool. If my kids are going to scorn it for its size, I may have to pass. I'm still undecided: looks good; too big; same price as all of MJ's other modular rifles. I guess it will depend on where I'm at when I have the funds to make my order.

R.

[Raw Dog]

+1 to you and anyone else who gets that reference!

I thought he was referencing that book, "The Indian in the Cupboard".

Anyways, I wasn't planning on getting that gun before but now I'm gonna cuz I like that it's so big. It looks like it can blow the opposition away, six ways from Tuesday.

[Inggasson]

Could someone help me out and post a picture up of an AA1 in the hands of RoadBlock or Night Adder-sized guys? Tempted to base my Roadblock more on Terry Crews from Expendables lol

[Riotheory]

I think I'll be able to decide better if someone posts pics with it modded with some of the series 4 & 5 accessories. I really want to see how it looks with the M203 grenade launcher and some of the older scopes. I was looking at a review over at JoeCustoms, and the reviewer took a pic of POC Dusty with the FOS, and it looked good in spite of its size. At this moment, if I had the money I'd order some. In five minutes, I'll probably be back to thinking it's too big.

R.

[1SGHauser]

I must not have gotten the memo that says I HAVE to buy things that I don't like.

Boys and girls, these are toys that a third party is making. Smith and Wesson, H&K, Glock.. they aren't making toys.

Just like when a toy comopany said we were getting 12" figures and they were more 1/6 scale or vice versa. The freaking nerve of these people. Don't they know that our lives cannot go on if they don't make collectibles we have an option to buy absolutely, 100% perfect as everything else int he world is?

My God! The effing NERVE!

It's mathematical fact that everythign should be EFFING PERFECT!!!

DAGH! this ruined my day, nay, my week. The unbelievable balls on Marauder Gun runners for not being absolutely perfect in every way to enhance my absolutely perfect toys in my absolutely perfect world!!

[TU482]

the barrel ol the custom AK-74 is a tiny bit short to accommadate the silencer really well

Try flipping the silencer around to fit it onto the AKM.

[CornDog_The_Ninja]

I must not have gotten the memo that says I HAVE to buy things that I don't like.


Yep.

[Obi-Shinobi]

I only bought a few pieces to review them, so it's not like it was a waste of money to me. Had to buy it to try it.

You guys want to go on making a joke about things not being perfect, go right ahead.

Would you be so put out if these things were true 1:18th? No, of course not because you don't care either way. Is anyone else screwed for good aftermarket parts because of the larger size? Yes they are.

By all means though... please continue the typical Tank mentality by chiming in with more bullshit.

[Obi-Shinobi]

It's mathematical fact that everythign should be EFFING PERFECT!!!

Next time you buy tires for your car, get a set that's too big for your wheels. See how you do when you pull away from the shop.

Oh wait, you have the option of buying tires that fit your wheels perfectly.

C'mon people... with all of the available technology for designing anything these days, there's no excuse for a third-party who supposedly cares enough to make this stuff to begin with, to not get it any better than this.

[Ford]

It's not the first time that gun has been too big for the figure. Tomax and Xamot had guns that were about twice as big as they should have been. Same for this guy: AIRBORNE (v2), YOJOE.COM | YoJoe.com: Dedicated to the G.I.Joe of the 80's, 90's and beyond! (http://www.yojoe.com/action/90/airborne2.shtml)

Thanks to the OP for letting us know about this though. It'll save me a couple bucks when I do place an order again.

[kneroh]

Next time you buy tires for your car, get a set that's too big for your wheels. See how you do when you pull away from the shop.

Oh wait, you have the option of buying tires that fit your wheels perfectly.

Use of my car and a gi joe gun seem to be about equal.

this thread...

[ChicagoScott]

....and ones like it are why we can't have nice things.

[GI Guppy the third]

Here's the thing. This is posted in the Customs General Discussion forum. Going beyond what Hasbro gives us is the very nature of this forum. Going beyond what 3rd party shops gives us is as well. The people in here may or may not care about something being accurately to scale, but there are many here who will hack, gut, glue every last detail that we can. We will do things that no toy company would be willing to do because we have a slight obsession in re-purposing toys and making them into one of a kind collectibles.

If you're happy with just toys, then at least understand what forum you're in. We're geared a little differently. Most people on this site will buy a new fig and either keep it carded or take it out and pose it on a book shelf. We're the types that have it in 10 pieces scattered across a paint splattered desk 3 minutes after ripping open the plastic.

[ChicagoScott]

In what fantasy world does 5+" equate to 1:18th?!?!



That's just it G.I. Joe is a fantasy world. Your tire analogy fails! If someone puts the wrong size $300 tires on your car someone could die. If Marauder John's $1.20 gun is the wrong scale, than someone else on the tank has a better looking display than you. That's not even apples to oranges. That's like comparing Kate Upton to a shovel in terms of attractiveness.

Marauder John has been nothing but a positive force in the Joe community and has always been open to constructive criticism and feedback. I don't completely disagree with your initial statement that the scale of this one gun could be better, but he may have had reasons and he does not have endless resources. I and others seem to have a problem with your presentation and delivery of the criticism. It in no way comes across as constructive. To compare it to a life and death situation, such as having the wrong sizes tires placed on your car is just asinine.

[GI Guppy the third]

That's just it G.I. Joe is a fantasy world. Your tire analogy fails! If someone puts the wrong size $300 tires on your car someone could die. If Marauder John's $1.20 gun is the wrong scale, than someone else on the tank has a better looking display than you. That's not even apples to oranges. That's like comparing Kate Upton to a shovel in terms of attractiveness.

Marauder John has been nothing but a positive force in the Joe community and has always been open to constructive criticism and feedback. I don't completely disagree with your initial statement that the scale of this one gun could be better, but he may have had reasons and he does not have endless resources. I and others seem to have a problem with your presentation and delivery of the criticism. It in no way comes across as constructive. To compare it to a life and death situation, such as having the wrong sizes tires placed on your car is just asinine.


I forgot. It's so much cooler to talk about how every Retaliation figure sucks but how dare anyone have a dissenting point of view on a 3rd party product.

[orezona]

Here's the thing. This is posted in the Customs General Discussion forum. Going beyond what Hasbro gives us is the very nature of this forum. Going beyond what 3rd party shops gives us is as well. The people in here may or may not care about something being accurately to scale, but there are many here who will hack, gut, glue every last detail that we can. We will do things that no toy company would be willing to do because we have a slight obsession in re-purposing toys and making them into one of a kind collectibles.

If you're happy with just toys, then at least understand what forum you're in. We're geared a little differently. Most people on this site will buy a new fig and either keep it carded or take it out and pose it on a book shelf. We're the types that have it in 10 pieces scattered across a paint splattered desk 3 minutes after ripping open the plastic.

I get that. I really do.

Commenting on the quality or execution of a 3rd party's wares can hopefully help them to develop better products for future releases...

Constructive criticism is appreciated.

Being an egotistical jerky jerk face doesn't help your argument (not talking about your posts, btw) and at the most only detracts from the real topic at hand.

I can say, "Hey, your custom 'such-and-such' would look better if you painted the pants 'X' color, etc." which is helpful.

Saying, "Your attempt at realism is laughable and why bother trying at all if that's the best you can do," sounds less than helpful, wouldn't you agree?

Maybe if OP wasn't trying so hard to impress us all with the fact that if HE had done it, it would be perfect, the conversation wouldn't have taken the turn it did.

Being honest is fine.
Being a wienerhead about it doesn't teach anyone anything.

[CobraCommandr]

So, who likes pizza?

[daremo]

Marauder "Gun-Runners"
Supply Depot for 1:18 Scale Mini Replica Weapons & Accessories for use with ALL Collectible 3-3/4 Inch Action Figures

Seems to me that this would be false advertising. These aren't 1:18 and really don't work for 3 3/4 figures.

I've bought everything that MJ has ever made until this series. When you look at the photos of the series by themselves they look awesome. When see them with actual 4" figures the weapons look more like 1:16. I won't even comment on the ninja star which before seeing it I was really excited for.

I realize that true 1:18 can be hard to do for some things and a lot of times things don't translate well into this scale. As a customizer I'm trying to make things look as accurate as I can because that's what I like to do. Scale might not be important to some but to me it's everything for my customs. I try very hard to make things that I make look in scale.

I like all sizes of pizzas.

[GI Guppy the third]

I get that. I really do.

Commenting on the quality or execution of a 3rd party's wares can hopefully help them to develop better products for future releases...

Constructive criticism is appreciated.

Being an egotistical jerky jerk face doesn't help your argument (not talking about your posts, btw) and at the most only detracts from the real topic at hand.

I can say, "Hey, your custom 'such-and-such' would look better if you painted the pants 'X' color, etc." which is helpful.

Saying, "Your attempt at realism is laughable and why bother trying at all if that's the best you can do," sounds less than helpful, wouldn't you agree?

Maybe if OP wasn't trying so hard to impress us all with the fact that if HE had done it, it would be perfect, the conversation wouldn't have taken the turn it did.

Being honest is fine.
Being a wienerhead about it doesn't teach anyone anything.

Trust me. If he was being a "jerky jerk face" or a "wienerhead", you would know it.

As for your comparison of what is constructive criticism, at least quote what he originally typed. At the same time, that hurtful statement is actually more constructive than telling someone what color you would have painted instead. The first one doesn't say why it's wrong, the second one does. Hurtful, probably, but being nice isn't necessarily a prerequisite for being constructive. Some people respond better to a more truthful statement than to a statement that's vague but pleasant.

There is a line, but I haven't seen it crossed. He's giving his review of a product he spent money on. He's not commenting on someone's zombie Snake Eyes custom, but people are acting like he's telling them about how fat their girlfriend is.

[GI Guppy the third]

So, who likes pizza?

I like customizeable ones.

[Colder Soldier]

The gun is a tad big. Probably to accommodate our adult male hands rather than Joe's teeny toy hands. Nothing to go at each others throats over...but this is a HISSTank thread! :)

So, who likes pizza?

I miss pizza. Damn intolerable saturated fats.

[CornDog_The_Ninja]

Nothing to get bent outta shape over...but this is a HISSTank thread! :)



You know how I found this place? I was looking for a site called His Stank dot com. Didn't even know if was a real site or not, but I was gonna give it a whirl. Ended up here. Funny how that works, huh.

[GI Guppy the third]

News (http://live-resin.com/news)

Take a look at this stuff being produced. It's 1/35. When I see stuff like this, I wish we could get it in 1/18. We have very good retail support for this scale but it seems like everyone else gets the cool stuff. Heck, I had to look at german sites to find 1/16 scale brass 50 cal rounds for American models. I'm only saying this because it seems like the larger scales and the smaller scales have a large demand for accuracy but for some reason there isn't in 1/18.

[Konigstiger]

News (http://live-resin.com/news)

Take a look at this stuff being produced. It's 1/35. When I see stuff like this, I wish we could get it in 1/18. We have very good retail support for this scale but it seems like everyone else gets the cool stuff. Heck, I had to look at german sites to find 1/16 scale brass 50 cal rounds for American models. I'm only saying this because it seems like the larger scales and the smaller scales have a large demand for accuracy but for some reason there isn't in 1/18.

I think the 1:16 is supported because 1:16 R/C tanks are popular around the world. 1:32nd/35th are also kind of default popular scales for builders. Painfully accurate details (especially if you break out the photo-etched brass parts kits available for damn near all subjects) combined with the generally small amount of real estate they take up is a great one-two punch. They can be expensive, though.

While 1:18 figures are pretty popular now, that doesn't translate to all potential facets of the scale. 1:18 vehicles are all but doomed to limited edition repaints of existing molds or very pricey resin "garage" kits.

They didn't get support at retail, and I don't see them coming back again. About all I hope for now is more guys doing production 1:18 scale weapons like MGR.

[TU482]

The two guns mentioned do seem a little large, but until any other company comes forward to produce small affordable modular weapons with tiny attachments, I'll stick with Marauder's Gun Runners.
As for the criticism, it is perfectly okay and I'm sure MJ is taking it into consideration. Sure his Type 95 is a little bit difficult for some figures to hold, but compared to Hasbro's attempt (with ROC Ripcord) it is quite close to scale.

These are toys. Whether you just look at them or customize them to meticulous detail.

[Tom-1]

The M240 has a rail system on top of the receiver and the "heat guard" over the beginning of the barrel was left off at the request of soldiers tha used the weapon "in real life." Was told heat guard "got in the way, was easily broken and tossed as soon as the weapon went into the field."

As someone who used the weapon on two deployments I have to agree. I managed to keep my heat guard the whole first year because my leader was a stickler for maintaining control of your equipment... but out of the five we had only mine had the guard. XD

And rails? What am I going to do, snipe with the thing?

Tom

[phightower]

Note to self... Look but don't comment.

[jim0680]

Any thought of making some of these 12 inch scale?

[Ultimate Jaburg]

I just got my order today.

I ordered a few AA12s, a vector, Glock, and Aliens flame unit.

All were very nice.

Also, I had to Email Marauder and got fantastic, and friendly customer service.

Almost all the Joes I use most have Marauder weapons.

[RuckusJr]

So in a world with Serpentor, the MASS Device, Weather Dominator, Trouble Bubbles, Lobotomaxx, soldiers in neon colors, a man in a metal mask, and dudes walking around in scuba and firefighter gear, you're complaining about the scale of some CUSTOM weapons? Have you ever checked the scale of Joe vehicles? I'm surprised you haven't offed yourself over that.

[daremo]

So in a world with Serpentor, the MASS Device, Weather Dominator, Trouble Bubbles, Lobotomaxx, soldiers in neon colors, a man in a metal mask, and dudes walking around in scuba and firefighter gear, you're complaining about the scale of some CUSTOM weapons? Have you ever checked the scale of Joe vehicles? I'm surprised you haven't offed yourself over that.

Joe vehicles are Joe scale and don't claim to be 1:18.

[SmokePants]

You guys don't like the FOS? Great! More for me! It's my new "good guy gun".

I don't see how Joe collectors can be such scale nazis. You realize the figures themselves have horrific proportions, don't you? All the cool little features that we love, like working holsters and knife sheaths are just way too large. The bottom line is the "FOS" looks bad ass in my figures' hands, so I'm buying more of them.

[GI Guppy the third]

You guys don't like the FOS? Great! More for me! It's my new "good guy gun".

I don't see how Joe collectors can be such scale nazis. You realize the figures themselves have horrific proportions, don't you? All the cool little features that we love, like working holsters and knife sheaths are just way too large. The bottom line is the "FOS" looks bad ass in my figures' hands, so I'm buying more of them.

That's why I scratchbuild all of my holsters and sheaths.

[GI Guppy the third]

So in a world with Serpentor, the MASS Device, Weather Dominator, Trouble Bubbles, Lobotomaxx, soldiers in neon colors, a man in a metal mask, and dudes walking around in scuba and firefighter gear, you're complaining about the scale of some CUSTOM weapons? Have you ever checked the scale of Joe vehicles? I'm surprised you haven't offed yourself over that.

You're right. Here's hoping when wave 2 of the retaliation figs come out they all have spring loaded helmet bazookas. I guess ignorance is bliss.

[SoCalKid]

Yeah, some of this stuff is a bit out of scale, and there are some out there that want their troops to resemble 4 inch Sideshow offerings, and I get that! I should say APPROXIMATELY 4 inch, I suppose, so I don't get my head bit off or find myself in an impromptu math lesson. When I see the MGR statement '1/18 weapons for use with' whatever, I realize that it's approximate. Obviously, my old O-ring figs are smaller than my ME guys, so how can these weapons be in exact scale for both? If you have that solid a hard-on for exact scale, you should have turned away there, since it's obviously impossible. We're not stupid (despite what some will and have suggested), we take them for what they are. False advertising? Come on, man... These are killer versions of fairly accurately scaled weapons that we love, and in incredible detail to boot. You want TRUE 1/18 scale? Order some of GI Guppy's sweet Shapeways stuff and pray to Armalite that you don't snap a stock with your clumsy sasquatch man-child mitts. For those of you as ignorant as me and just like cool-looking stuff that (that burns most of big H's offerings) no matter where it's from, there's also a pretty kick-ass new assortment over at MGR, and it includes the nearly life-sized FOS.

[Falcone]

While this on the other hand is PERFECT!!

http://www.marauderinc.com/catalog/umpweb1_thumb.jpg

It's a bit larger than 1:18 scale which really bugged me. A UMP was released by Lanard as well, which is also over sized. My desire for a correct scale UMP is what prompted my current project.

[Derek]

Order came in great stuff. Where is the suggestion thread? A standard pintle mount for the 240 and a hole in the flamethrower for flame effect would be nice.

[SmokePants]

People need to realize that scale is but one of several considerations. It does not trump everything.

In video games, weapons are often made slightly over scale so that they stand out more and make the character wielding them look more formidable. You know what they call video games that put realism above everything? Bad video games.

The FOS is superbly detailed. Perhaps if it was smaller some of that detail would have been lost or the weapon wouldn't be as sturdy. Like I said, there are other considerations.

[GI Guppy the third]

People need to realize that scale is but one of several considerations. It does not trump everything.

In video games, weapons are often made slightly over scale so that they stand out more and make the character wielding them look more formidable. You know what they call video games that put realism above everything? Bad video games.

The FOS is superbly detailed. Perhaps if it was smaller some of that detail would have been lost or the weapon wouldn't be as sturdy. Like I said, there are other considerations.

Except every military based game with real life weaponry keeps the weaponry scaled correctly. Unless Marauder is making series 7 the Ratchet and Clank series, I don't know how your comment even applies.

The link I posted earlier shows that detail, scale, and durability are all achievable. 10 years ago, it wouldn't have been because everybody was using pantography. More and more industry people are using 3d constructions and rapid prototyping and this isn't something that only the big boys are doing. Look at some of Falcone's stuff.

Scale isn't everything just like getting every sculpted detail isn't everything. I just prefer a balance because grossly out of scaled "accessories" hurts the value of the details. I still buy the Walters, grenades, and wood stock aks. All I'm saying is the FOS, AKM, and Desert Eagle are passes for me just like so many have ripped Hasbro for dropping 2 points of articulation.

Marauder is good for GI Joe, but I'm not going to pretend I'm his friend and get bent out of shape over a dissenting view. Marauder would much rather have my money than my friendship anyways.

[GI Guppy the third]

Yeah, some of this stuff is a bit out of scale, and there are some out there that want their troops to resemble 4 inch Sideshow offerings, and I get that! I should say APPROXIMATELY 4 inch, I suppose, so I don't get my head bit off or find myself in an impromptu math lesson. When I see the MGR statement '1/18 weapons for use with' whatever, I realize that it's approximate. Obviously, my old O-ring figs are smaller than my ME guys, so how can these weapons be in exact scale for both? If you have that solid a hard-on for exact scale, you should have turned away there, since it's obviously impossible. We're not stupid (despite what some will and have suggested), we take them for what they are. False advertising? Come on, man... These are killer versions of fairly accurately scaled weapons that we love, and in incredible detail to boot. You want TRUE 1/18 scale? Order some of GI Guppy's sweet Shapeways stuff and pray to Armalite that you don't snap a stock with your clumsy sasquatch man-child mitts. For those of you as ignorant as me and just like cool-looking stuff that (that burns most of big H's offerings) no matter where it's from, there's also a pretty kick-ass new assortment over at MGR, and it includes the nearly life-sized FOS.
Thanks for the support. My galil is now available at Brokenarrowroys.

[666Werecat]

Got my new order today, very happy except none of the drum mags stay in the automatic shotguns.

[DarthDre758]

Could someone help me out and post a picture up of an AA1 in the hands of RoadBlock or Night Adder-sized guys? Tempted to base my Roadblock more on Terry Crews from Expendables lol

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b280/Cpthowdy758/photobucket-13215-1340283286674.jpg

[Raw Dog]

I also noticed on the website, he has pictures of Joes holding the weapons, so I'm going to just check those pics first before I buy anything so I won't be surprised by the size when I get them hopefully.

[Konigstiger]

I also noticed on the website, he has pictures of Joes holding the weapons, so I'm going to just check those pics first before I buy anything so I won't be surprised by the size when I get them hopefully.

The problem there is I've seen photos by different users and the guns look different sizes in them.

[Raw Dog]

The problem there is I've seen photos by different users and the guns look different sizes in them.

That's odd. Maybe he has different molds for the same gun? Is there a way one could get multiple sizes on the same gun with one mold? I don't know, but I guess if you got a gun that was bigger than the one pictured you could just let him know. I imagine he would make an attempt to rectify the problem for you.

[Fast_Draw]

Got my new order today, very happy except none of the drum mags stay in the automatic shotguns.

I had to glue mine because it kept popping out.

[daremo]

You guys don't like the FOS? Great! More for me! It's my new "good guy gun".

I don't see how Joe collectors can be such scale nazis. You realize the figures themselves have horrific proportions, don't you? All the cool little features that we love, like working holsters and knife sheaths are just way too large. The bottom line is the "FOS" looks bad ass in my figures' hands, so I'm buying more of them.

Whoever said that those of us who are pointing out the scale issue are Joe collectors? I'm a customizer first even though I buy some of what Hasbro puts out. The scale issue was originally a thread in the custom discussion section and then was merged with this Marauder thread. I guess the mods thought the discussion would be better served here. Based on what I'm reading though, I think the idea of scale is lost on the average Joe collector.

It's mostly customizers that take issue with scale as we are trying to make things look a certain way and scale is an important factor when we customize. We do take into consideration body porportions. There are many times I think I've found the perfect part combination only discover that it's not right when you try it out (ie guerilla arms). I can tell when something looks off when I see it.

I have no problem with anyone that wants to support MJ and the new series. He does have great product, I've spent over $350 on his stuff over the years. However, this series doesn't work for me. It's a preferential thing, I want things to look in scale because that's what I like. That's also why I make my own accessories, holsters and sheaths.

What's wrong with wanting something done right?

[Konigstiger]

That's odd. Maybe he has different molds for the same gun? Is there a way one could get multiple sizes on the same gun with one mold? I don't know, but I guess if you got a gun that was bigger than the one pictured you could just let him know. I imagine he would make an attempt to rectify the problem for you.

I don't have any of the S.6 guns so it's not a personal issue for me, but an observation of the photos I've seen.

[Obi-Shinobi]

I originally put my part of this thread under the creative forum for a reason. Since I'm 99% a customizer over a collector, I wanted to get feedback about MGR's stuff from fellow customizers. You know, those who might actually care about the topic.

Yes, I mention "the math" behind anything being better scaled for the figs. I did so to reference how simple it is for someone to achieve a better product for proper scale issues, not to give any "impromptu math lessons". Surely, most people can figure out this stuff on their own.

When I read MGR'S product statement , which includes -

"We carry accurate 1:18 scale miniature replica versions of..."

and

The goal of MGR's is to provide detailed, in scale and affordable 1:18 scale accessories..."

I'm expecting exactly what I'm reading. MGR's is a business like anything else, and being a business that wants my money, it needs to provide a product for which I want to buy. Not only personally, but also as a typical customer. Slapping 1:18 on everything gives the product a true scale basis, as opposed to saying "Joe scaled". That would leave plenty of room for varying sizes, no doubt. And before anyone says "they're just toys"... let me remind you that this is a place for toys, where people talk about toys. If we didn't care about our hobby, we wouldn't be here.

Again, I'm a customizer first. I also have a particular, somewhat retentive, passion for details and accuracies. That's fairly common knowledge to most.With that being who I am, yes I want a product claiming to be accurate 1:18, to actually be 1:18. As a typical customer in general, I deserve to get what is advertised. This isn't a new concept in the business world. When you buy just about anything out there, you get exactly what it is.

So... is this just me bitching because something's not perfect, nitpicking, or just overall being a scale Nazi? Sure, maybe to some degree. As a customer however, I have a right or even a responsibility, to give my honest opinion about the product. That's what I did, and will continue to do so.

Unfortunately here on the Tank, honest opinions are as wanted and as welcomed as getting kicked in the balls, repeatedly. I suppose that's a product of our modern "online" society... everyone bitches about everyone else and anything, simply because they can type it. Those of you who insist on participating in this social degradation, must be proud of your handiwork since you go out of your way to practice the art. At least you're committed.

Marauder John should hear from both sides of the fence about his product, since as a business, it can only help him and ultimately his customers. I however, should not have to get mocked, called names, and generally made out to be some "know it all" ass simply because I review a product and it doesn't agree with people who don't share my passions.

If any of you like the product for what it is, that's fantastic. I'm glad that you found a product that you like, and I would never jump down your throats for stating it. So here's an idea... do yourself, everyone else, and this site a favor. Try something new, like refraining from making asinine comments everytime someone has a legitimate concern or question.

[marauder_john]

I also noticed on the website, he has pictures of Joes holding the weapons, so I'm going to just check those pics first before I buy anything so I won't be surprised by the size when I get them hopefully.

Hey RD!
For a wide variety of images of the various weapons WITH figures, check out our ebay store. Each listing has several images. The only benefit of the ebay listings is the ability to post multiple pictures, so you'll get a good feel for what you need off the ebay site and can then order off the website if you wish. Here is the ebay store link (just scroll down the left hand sidebar for the Series #6 tab for the newest items):

1 18 Weapons Assault Rifle-MG, 1 18 Furniture Diorama Gear items in Marauder Gun-Runners store on eBay! (http://stores.ebay.com/Marauder-Gun-Runners?_rdc=1)

Take care!
MJ

[Mermaniel]

Holy shit. This is getting out of hand! If you look at my original post, I'm not bitching, just mentionning I think it's a little big...DRAAAAMAAAA!

[TU482]

Still trying out different configurations with my series 6 weapons. The FOS looks great in the hands of larger figures such as the Dojo Battle Roadblock, and I am still really impressed at how well the modular accessories stay in (I haven't glued any yet).

The ammo drum stays in the AA-12 pretty well if you line up the notch on the drum with the groove on the shotgun and push it in straight upward. If you add the grip with the flashlight it makes a great version of Royce's shotgun from Predators. I was thinking of making a custom and wondered if anyone had any suggestions for parts (I'm starting with the ROC Thunder/Resolute Duke as a base).

[Riotheory]

Holy shit. This is getting out of hand! If you look at my original post, I'm not bitching, just mentionning I think it's a little big...DRAAAAMAAAA!

I think things got wild at some point when a mod merged your thread with a customizer-only thread that didn't need the point of view from the kind of troglodytes that would just buy a figure and put it on a shelf with any old Marauder gun.

Yeah, and then drama ensued.

R.

[TU482]

Yeah, people need to stop yelling at Mermaniel. He was merely doing as the thread title states: commenting on Marauder's series 6. I think things have leveled out and we have moved on to intelligent discussion.

[Frank Talltree]

The scale issue was originally a thread in the custom discussion section and then was merged with this Marauder thread.

No. The scale issue was originally mentioned in this thread. It is clearly mentioned in the first post by Mermaniel. This thread was on and off the front page for days before that thread was started.

[GI Guppy the third]

No. The scale issue was originally mentioned in this thread. It is clearly mentioned in the first post by Mermaniel. This thread was on and off the front page for days before that thread was started.

But us "scale Nazis" were deported to the collecting forum

[Frank Talltree]

But us "scale Nazis" were deported to the collecting forum

Paper's please!

[Darklon01]

Sorry if this was already mentioned (i'll confess I started skimming after the umpteenth page of people bitching at one another. At the end of the day, it comes down to a simple question. Do we enjoy our joes more because of marauders weapons? In my case, it is a hell yes and a hoorah all in one. I absolutely have have a wonderful time with my figures thanks largely in part to he weaponry available through MJ.
Now, stepping down from my soapbox, I DO have a question, regarding something. A while back I remember seeing some mission specific briefcases (hit man, C4, currency, ect) and unfortunately I held off on ordering for wave six. Now i can't see them anywhere? Anyone know what the deal is with this? Thank you.

[marauder_john]

Sorry if this was already mentioned (i'll confess I started skimming after the umpteenth page of people bitching at one another. At the end of the day, it comes down to a simple question. Do we enjoy our joes more because of marauders weapons? In my case, it is a hell yes and a hoorah all in one. I absolutely have have a wonderful time with my figures thanks largely in part to he weaponry available through MJ.
Now, stepping down from my soapbox, I DO have a question, regarding something. A while back I remember seeing some mission specific briefcases (hit man, C4, currency, ect) and unfortunately I held off on ordering for wave six. Now i can't see them anywhere? Anyone know what the deal is with this? Thank you.

Hey!
Thank you! The "resupply" of the mission cases should be here after next weeks joe con. But just send an email with what you want to order and will put you at the "front of the line" for whatever cases you want (and if some arrive BEFORE we leave for the con can take care of you IMMEDIATELY). Just let us know!
MJ

[Angry.Android]

That's just it G.I. Joe is a fantasy world. Your tire analogy fails! If someone puts the wrong size $300 tires on your car someone could die. If Marauder John's $1.20 gun is the wrong scale, than someone else on the tank has a better looking display than you. That's not even apples to oranges. That's like comparing Kate Upton to a shovel in terms of attractiveness.

This attitude is so tiring. You're basically coming across as "Eh, just toys, who cares" but what is being pointed out by others is "Do the best, be the best, pride in your craft". Whatever happened to pride in your craft, and doing/being the best? No body is trying to light MJ on fire for putting out what he's putting out, they are just making observations so that (if he wants) he can do better. Scale matters to some people.

I and others seem to have a problem with your presentation and delivery of the criticism. It in no way comes across as constructive. To compare it to a life and death situation, such as having the wrong sizes tires placed on your car is just asinine.

The severity of the situation is irrelevant, it's hypothetical. No real people were hurt. However, it does nicely illustrate the value of size in scale in mechanical ways that slightly slower people can understand.

[Angry.Android]

I personally, dig alot of these new offerings...While i doubt i will be making orders for the FOS or the AK, i do have my eye on the sniper rifle, the mg, and the vektor, once i figure out where to work it in for my collection

[SmokePants]

Con: The FOS is slightly out of proportion with figures whose legs are often out of proportion with their torsos.

Pro: The FOS fits 4" figures snugly and accommodates any pose the figures can achieve.

Con: The FOS stands out.

Pro: The FOS pops.

Pro: The FOS has details like its grooved magazine and rail system that are apparent at a glance.

Pro: The FOS communicates its "good guy" weapon profile at a glance.

Pro: The FOS works best with the fantastic modular accessories of Series 6.

Pro: The FOS is just fun to handle.

There are some advantages to being slightly out of scale that some of you are sadly incapable of appreciating. I can't convince you not to allow a tape measure to dictate your preferences, but you can at least acknowledge that there are qualitative arguments to be made, and not just quantitative ones.

[Obi-Shinobi]

And you're missing the point with those of us who want more correctly scaled parts.

"We" enjoy more realism, or accuracies, with our figs. Especially those of us who customize figs for more accurate real world characters. That's why I started MY part of this thread to begin with - for the customizers, in the creative general discussion forum. It was never intended for the typical collector, but you guys had to chime in anyway.

Anyway...

Would Wry1's latest Navy SEAL custom look so freaking spot on and cool if he had used a ridiculously large weapon with it? Hell no.

Guppy goes to the extreme of 3D modeling on shapeways to get better scaled parts for his kick-ass customs.

Do I really need to mention the levels I will go to? Seriously.

So it's simple - we want better because we care more about it. Apparently, there are those of you out there that are incapable of appreciating that.

As for "at least acknowledging qualitative arguments" about the product...

No, I don't have to. Regardless of the quality, it does not fit within the scale that I use, so it's an irrevelant argument.

[daremo]

Great news!!! I heard from my inside source that Hasbro has heard your cries and will now be switching to larger weapons and accessories to be included in future offerings. I guess we know why the movie was really delayed now.

http://www.majhost.com/gallery/daremo/daremo/bigger-is-better.jpg

[haradrel]

I know it was mentioned by someone that the 416 and 417 are the same size, which is absolutely not true:

http://cdn5.thefirearmsblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/picture-5-3.png

So call it a 417 and be done with it.

[GI Guppy the third]

I know it was mentioned by someone that the 416 and 417 are the same size, which is absolutely not true:

http://cdn5.thefirearmsblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/picture-5-3.png

So call it a 417 and be done with it.

But everyone that claims this it is so detailed should know that while its claimed to be modeled after the 417, it is almost identical to a 416 in proportions. At the same time, you're showing a 16" barrel versus the 12" 416. It's modeled after a 12 inch barrel. A 417 with the same length barrel as a 416 would only be 2 mm larger at 1/18 scale. If it was simply the length, it wouldn't be as much of a problem, but then height is changed and the foregrip ends up getting extended out. Every time I see a figure posed with it, it looks like its carrying a SAW.

You might be okay with it, but this doesn't replace the other M4s that I own that are detailed and out of proportion. Also, I was told this would a decent fill in for the Knights Armaments PDW.

I appreciate the level of detail, but I never display armories or gun rooms, I always have figs posed with these weapons. Five years ago, scale wasn't much of a concern because we couldn't even get joes to bend their arms at 90 degrees. Now that wrist articulation and 90 degree bend at the elbow is the norm, properly scaled weapons should be the next development. This would also seal MJ delivering better goods than what Hasbro has been giving us.

[Angry.Android]

Con: The FOS is slightly out of proportion with figures whose legs are often out of proportion with their torsos.

Actually, it's out of proportion with all small scale GIJoe figures, regardless of torso or leg dimensions. This is the crux of the discussion we are both participating in. Hi there!

Pro: The FOS fits 4" figures snugly and accommodates any pose the figures can achieve.

This statement is the only one here that is accurate with regards to scale. A correctly scaled weapon would mean a smaller grip, which would result in some figures not having hands molded well to hold the weapon. As far as accommodating poses, this would be true in a correct scale as well so i don't see the relevance.

Con: The FOS stands out.

Yes, because it's out of scale with it's intended user, the small scale GIJoe figure.

Pro: The FOS pops.

If you mean it stands out, appreciatively, then i would agree. This is not, however, a function of it's scale but rather of it's design. You can thank Colt and Heckler and Koch for this.

Pro: The FOS has details like its grooved magazine and rail system that are apparent at a glance.

This is also true, although those details would still be there in a slightly smaller scale. Some details might be lost as the scale reduces, but if you are focused on maximum detail, shouldn't you be in the 12' set? Oodles of detail there my friend!

Pro: The FOS communicates its "good guy" weapon profile at a glance.

Hrmm, i don't get this...It has a "good guy" profile? For one, it's a tool..it has no good or bad inherent intent. If i want to shell out the money to buy one, i can, and then proceed to use it for home defense or to gun down a school. Either way, the gun is innocent of the alignment of use. As for it's profile, this is again a function of it's design. It is recognizable thanks to Colt and H&K.

Pro: The FOS works best with the fantastic modular accessories of Series 6.

This is true. MJ makes a great modular system, and i have faith that if he had made this weapon in an accurate scale, it would still be compatible with alot of his modular parts.

Pro: The FOS is just fun to handle.

Again, i feel this is a feature independent of scale. The FOS would be just as fun to handle if scaled correctly, just more of us would be handling it.

There are some advantages to being slightly out of scale that some of you are sadly incapable of appreciating. I can't convince you not to allow a tape measure to dictate your preferences, but you can at least acknowledge that there are qualitative arguments to be made, and not just quantitative ones.

I see no advantage to incorrectly scaling a weapon other than being more secure in GIJoe hands due to a larger grip. While i don't break out the calipers (a tape measure would be a waste of time with this topic, kind of like hammering nails in a deck with a piledriver) for MJs stuff, i do appreciate scale that works with my joes as measured by Eyeball mkI. If it looks properly scaled in relation to the mags molded on the vests i use, in relation to the size of the figure's arms, legs, torso, his sidearm, etc. then i am fine. But when a rifle is glaringly out of scale, it irks me and i don't use the equipment.

And since we are focusing on a single aspect, ie scale, i think all arguments regarding this have a qualitative base rather than a quantitative one.

[haradrel]

But everyone that claims this it is so detailed should know that while its claimed to be modeled after the 417, it is almost identical to a 416 in proportions. At the same time, you're showing a 16" barrel versus the 12" 416. It's modeled after a 12 inch barrel. A 417 with the same length barrel as a 416 would only be 2 mm larger at 1/18 scale. If it was simply the length, it wouldn't be as much of a problem, but then height is changed and the foregrip ends up getting extended out. Every time I see a figure posed with it, it looks like its carrying a SAW.


The 416 and 417 can be modded just as much as an AR or M4/M16. So all that is moot.

There are custom grips, triggers, barrels, muzzle breaks and more.

[Angry.Android]

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c102/axisofevilskateboards/COBRAAAAA/IMG_1121.jpgBy the way, I'm not seeing the problem.

The 416 and 417 can be modded just as much as an AR or M4/M16. So all that is moot.

There are custom grips, triggers, barrels, muzzle breaks and more.

While orezona can't see the problem, i am hoping you can with the help of a visual aid.

As you can see in the above pic, the dimensions of the entire rifle are off. It's not a matter of customized ergo parts. The receiver is too long, the grip is too long, the size of the trigger guard is too big, the diameter of the foregrip is too large. While you could request a gunsmith to fab parts for your 417 to achieve this in real life, why would you? there is no performance gain in having a foregrip that can barely be handled or a stock thats as big as an entrenching tool. And take another hard look at the receiver area in relation to the size of the figure holding it, you would have to fab an entire new housing assembly to make the receiver area that much larger. You'd basically be making a whole new weapon.

[sbwy80]

Could one of you who is good with scale tell me if the marauder FOS would be closer in scale to the SR-25 which is 7.62 and based off of the M-16 platform.

[Angry.Android]

Could one of you who is good with scale tell me if the marauder FOS would be closer in scale to the SR-25 which is 7.62 and based off of the M-16 platform.

See above picture for reference to determine if it will meet your needs or not.

[haradrel]

Could one of you who is good with scale tell me if the marauder FOS would be closer in scale to the SR-25 which is 7.62 and based off of the M-16 platform.

But it's not a SR-25 it's obviously a 416 or 417. If it's the 417 some minor mistakes have been done on it (which I am more then willing to overlook) and is a 7.62.

[GI Guppy the third]

Could one of you who is good with scale tell me if the marauder FOS would be closer in scale to the SR-25 which is 7.62 and based off of the M-16 platform.

If you're going with the carbine, it could be close. The major hurdle is the upper and lower combined is on the tall side. The7.62 mags that marauder makes supposedly works with it. The carbine would be about 53 mm with an extended stock.

The upper wouldn't match though as the details are closer to the SR16

[sbwy80]

Thank you guys for your help with my question.

[haradrel]

While orezona can't see the problem, i am hoping you can with the help of a visual aid.

As you can see in the above pic, the dimensions of the entire rifle are off. It's not a matter of customized ergo parts. The receiver is too long, the grip is too long, the size of the trigger guard is too big, the diameter of the foregrip is too large. While you could request a gunsmith to fab parts for your 417 to achieve this in real life, why would you? there is no performance gain in having a foregrip that can barely be handled or a stock thats as big as an entrenching tool. And take another hard look at the receiver area in relation to the size of the figure holding it, you would have to fab an entire new housing assembly to make the receiver area that much larger. You'd basically be making a whole new weapon.

So 418 then, based on the 416 only bigger. - It's G.I.Joe we're gonna use it for after all, they could have easily made H&K customize something.

My point is that your amount of nit picking is way beyond what should be done for G.I.Joe weapons. If you look this closely at ANY weapon they are all off to some extent.

Whatever floats your boat, to me it looks like a 417. Or a joe customized 416.

[Obi-Shinobi]

My point is that your amount of nit picking is way beyond what should be done for G.I.Joe weapons. If you look this closely at ANY weapon they are all off to some extent.

It's not nitpicking. It's an opinion on a product, based on facts from people who care about it. We aren't arguing with those who like it, and therefore buy/use it. So why are people arguing with us because we don't like it for our needs or wants?

"Any weapon being off to some extent". Maybe so, but we're talking about the entire gun, not just a buttstock being a little off, or a magazine being a little short.

How about we change gears for a sec... or would it be change cars?

The Vector is to freakin' big too. As is the AK. MP40 too. Are we going to say that these were merely customized by a gun smith to be larger for the Joes? I sincerely hope not.

[nilcam]

The modular sniper rifle looks pretty cool. I ordered one on Friday along with Fix Up sets for my DG Cobra Snipers.

[CG82]

I like Marauder Gun Runners, they make a quality product for the prices you cant go wrong espeically if you're an army builder and want to replace certain lackluster weapons hasbro supplies certain figures. Only disappointment I had was with the Colonial Marine Pulse rifle, I found it to be underwhelming. Personally I dont mind a tad overscale than underscale as a personal preference. But I dont have any scale issues aside from that.

[SmokePants]

It's not nitpicking. It's an opinion on a product, based on facts from people who care about it. We aren't arguing with those who like it, and therefore buy/use it. So why are people arguing with us because we don't like it for our needs or wants?You are doing a disservice to people that might actually like them if they gave them a shot. You're putting in their heads that they are too large and that's all they'll be able to see. You're basically spreading your OCD to others and that needs to be combated.

Look, these things are a little over a dollar. Reviews are entirely unnecessary. I would recommend that anyone interested in Marauders stuff to just buy one each of the weapons they might be interested in and see if they like them before buying more of those weapons. There is no need to hem or haw over it.

Or are Joe collectors really that "notoriously cheap" to be inspired to crusade against inexpensive plastic weapons to prevent people from getting "burned"?

The Vector is to freakin' big too. As is the AK. MP40 too. Are we going to say that these were merely customized by a gun smith to be larger for the Joes? I sincerely hope not.Just listen to yourself. People are simply trying to placate your neurosis. I guarantee you that they don't need to construct an elaborate fiction behind the scale of little plastic weapons. They think you might, though. Doesn't that sound like a wake-up call?

By the way, the Vector fits my ultimate Snake Eyes perfectly. If it was smaller, it wouldn't. The M240 fits my Roadblock perfectly, if it was smaller, it wouldn't. The AKM fits my Shock Trooper.... well, you get the idea.

The takeaway, I think, is that if the real-life weapons were designed for 6' action figures that can't bend their elbows much further than 90 degrees and have larger hands than human beings, stuck in static grip poses, that were designed to look cool, rather than fight wars, then those real-life weapons would have been designed to be bigger than they are. Real-life weapons work best with humans, Marauder weapons work best with figures.

[GI Guppy the third]

Who's crusading against who? Obi stated his preferences in a much more respectful manner than the dozens on here that rip on "Hasblow". If you disagree, fine, but your end is guided by some personal animosity with how you constantly name call and question his mental state.

You wouldn't do this when someone starts ranting about Hasbro. Are you doing this just as a desperate attempt to get Marauder's respect or man love? You guys act like he's going to release a presser where he states he's going to close up shop because a half dozen people don't like the scale of two of his guns. We're simply stating where we're unhappy and what he can do in the future to get more of our money.

[Angry.Android]

Who's crusading against who? Obi stated his preferences in a much more respectful manner than the dozens on here that rip on "Hasblow". If you disagree, fine, but your end is guided by some personal animosity with how you constantly name call and question his mental state.

You wouldn't do this when someone starts ranting about Hasbro. Are you doing this just as a desperate attempt to get Marauder's respect or man love? You guys act like he's going to release a presser where he states he's going to close up shop because a half dozen people don't like the scale of two of his guns. We're simply stating where we're unhappy and what he can do in the future to get more of our money.


Thank you, sir.

I mean, i don't claim to speak for Obi, but i am willing to bet that like me, he would love to give Marauder his money for scale-accurate armaments for his figures. I know i would. I would love to see a scale accurate hk416, heck, scale accurate versions of alot of weapons. and I would happily buy them from him. This is feedback.

[Obi-Shinobi]

Another fine example as to why I said "you can't have an intelligent debate on HT". Most people skim over the comments, only focusing on whatever words or phrases that stand out as "bad" to them. Then of course, they respond based on some convoluted personal idea of what the topic pertains to.

Sometimes guys, it really is much simpler.

For the record, yes... I would love to buy every single weapon I would ever need from MJ. To bad I can't.

[nerdsgetchicks]

Reviews are entirely unnecessary.

I disagree with this completely! Last time I checked this was a business and charging a dollar or two for items does not mean you should be happy with it just because it was cheap.

This is horrible logic.

[SDawg]

Reviews are necesarry, but If u dont like the products then dont buy it!!!
I never had problems with marauders though. Bought tons of AKs cpl years ago.

[Obi-Shinobi]

I don't buy anything that I don't want. That's not the problem or issue.

And I also bought a load of AK's from MJ over the past years. Those were quite good, even if they weren't highly detailed. I have loads of the M16A2 as well. Another good piece, all around.

[daremo]

You are doing a disservice to people that might actually like them if they gave them a shot.

Yeah, screw the people who might not like them! You will buy them all and like it!

You're putting in their heads that they are too large and that's all they'll be able to see. You're basically spreading your OCD to others and that needs to be combated.

Obi, Dr. Smokepants is right. You have a mental disorder and should seek help. This obsession to make something as accurate as you want needs to stop for the greater good of others.


Look, these things are a little over a dollar. Reviews are entirely unnecessary.

Yup. We don’t need no stinking reviews. Why would we value anybody else’s opinion but our own?

I would recommend that anyone interested in Marauders stuff to just buy one each of the weapons they might be interested in and see if they like them before buying more of those weapons. There is no need to hem or haw over it.

I agree. Who cares if they’re toted as 1:18. Close enough for collectors, right?

Or are Joe collectors really that "notoriously cheap" to be inspired to crusade against inexpensive plastic weapons to prevent people from getting "burned"?

God wills it! Wait, I thought we were being nice to the collectors so they would blindy buy whatever Marauder sells? No you’re right, Joe collectors are cheap.

Just listen to yourself. People are simply trying to placate your neurosis.


Obi has neurosis, na na na na nan a na!

I guarantee you that they don't need to construct an elaborate fiction behind the scale of little plastic weapons.

Which scale? 1:18, 1:16, 1:12? Without a review I’m a little lost…

They think you might, though. Doesn't that sound like a wake-up call?

Damn. I was so busy looking for 1:18 accurate scales weapons and accessories that I missed my wake up call.

By the way, the Vector fits my ultimate Snake Eyes perfectly. If it was smaller, it wouldn't. The M240 fits my Roadblock perfectly, if it was smaller, it wouldn't. The AKM fits my Shock Trooper.... well, you get the idea.

Well, it works for you. You get the idea.

The takeaway, I think, is that if the real-life weapons were designed for 6' action figures that can't bend their elbows much further than 90 degrees and have larger hands than human beings, stuck in static grip poses, that were designed to look cool, rather than fight wars, then those real-life weapons would have been designed to be bigger than they are. Real-life weapons work best with humans, Marauder weapons work best with figures.

You really think someone would go through all that trouble to make a 6’ action figure and not have it accurately scaled? I think you’ll really be able to tell if it has big hands (it’s okay if anyone is into that). If other toy companies can get the scale right some of the time, why can’t someone who specializes in that area do it all the time?

And why is it when Hasbro kills a figure with out of scale holsters you’re upset, but when Marauder does it with his weapons you accept it. Weird.

Now is all of this really necessary? Marauder offers some of the coolest weapons and accessories around to use with your 3 3/4-4" figures. His customer service is the best in the business and takes care of any problems right away. If you like what he has to offer, by all means, don't hesitate to get what you want. You shouldn't be disappointed. If you don't like what he's selling, that's cool too. Don't buy it.

All of this name calling and general buffoonery is not helpful to anyone. I think the points have been made and there's no need to discuss this any further.

[DarthDre758]

That's a lot of quoting, Dar.

You win the internet for the day.

I have to agree that the FOS is pretty damn big...and looks silly in the hands of some figures. Add that holoscope on it and that thing is likely to topple someone on the run.

[haradrel]

To be honest, once I had it in hand now...

I'm leaning more towards it not being too big.
It's the various sizes of the figures that makes the misconception, that and it being more "massive" in sense of volume. It's actually a lot truer to real life then any other carbine so far.

And it doesn't look disproportionate at all:
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg73/haradrel_2008/punisher416.jpg

[Wry1]

Marauders on a whole do some fanfuckingtastic work and are invaluable to the customizing community. that said, yeah, some of their weapons are out of scale. that's not an opinion, it's simply a fact.

it would be awesome indeed if every weapon they produced was perfectly in scale, but until then I'll just continue to chop, hack, shorten, and combine parts from different companies to create weapons that look right....to me.

[haradrel]

but until then I'll just continue to chop, hack, shorten, and combine parts from different companies to create weapons that look right....to me.

This part:

to me.


is the truest post so far.
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Edited:

Steve doesn't seem to notice the size, in fact it looks 100% natural with him:

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg73/haradrel_2008/1jpg-10.jpg
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg73/haradrel_2008/2jpg-9.jpg

Sergeant Scream doesn't seem to notice either:
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg73/haradrel_2008/3jpg-5.jpg
In fact he likes it:
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg73/haradrel_2008/4jpg-4.jpg

And neither does the leader of the kill team:
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg73/haradrel_2008/7jpg-2.jpg

Looks in scale to me.

It's the figures used, if you use smaller sized figures it will seem bigger, when in fact it is in scale as it should be.

[KrymsynGardImmoral]

I just got the set. This is ridiculous!!!!! How can anyone say these are in scale?!!??

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad225/kevinhiding/002-5.jpg

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad225/kevinhiding/004-4.jpg

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad225/kevinhiding/006-3.jpg

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad225/kevinhiding/007-3.jpg

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad225/kevinhiding/011-2.jpg

I mean, come ON!!!

[Cloud Strife]

The best post in this entire thread!! I've read every single post too...

I just got the set. This is ridiculous!!!!! How can anyone say these are in scale?!!??

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad225/kevinhiding/002-5.jpg

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad225/kevinhiding/004-4.jpg

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad225/kevinhiding/006-3.jpg

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad225/kevinhiding/007-3.jpg

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad225/kevinhiding/011-2.jpg

I mean, come ON!!!

[WVMojo]

I just got the set. This is ridiculous!!!!! How can anyone say these are in scale?!!??

F-ing Awesome.

[haradrel]

I just got the set. This is ridiculous!!!!! How can anyone say these are in scale?!!??


LOL, Didn't know Tyrion was a Siegie!

[daremo]

Steve doesn't seem to notice the size, in fact it looks 100% natural with him:

Sergeant Scream doesn't seem to notice either:

In fact he likes it:

And neither does the leader of the kill team:

Looks in scale to me.

It's the figures used, if you use smaller sized figures it will seem bigger, when in fact it is in scale as it should be.

Why would your toys care?

Of course they will look better with larger figures, that's what we've been saying. But we're talking 1:18 scale not relative scale (or Joe scale for that matter). That's the point being made that you and a lot of people can't seem to accept or understand.

I understand that if it looks good to you you're okay with it. Why is it so hard for you to understand that it doesn't look right in the eyes of others? Looking in scale and being in scale aren't the same thing.

[Talisman]

I just got the set. This is ridiculous!!!!! How can anyone say these are in scale?!!??

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad225/kevinhiding/002-5.jpg

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad225/kevinhiding/004-4.jpg

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad225/kevinhiding/006-3.jpg

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad225/kevinhiding/007-3.jpg

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad225/kevinhiding/011-2.jpg

I mean, come ON!!!

http://cache.ohinternet.com/images/2/24/I_see_what_you_did_there_super.jpg

[haradrel]

Why would your toys care?

Of course they will look better with larger figures, that's what we've been saying. But we're talking 1:18 scale not relative scale (or Joe scale for that matter). That's the point being made that you and a lot of people can't seem to accept or understand.

I understand that if it looks good to you you're okay with it. Why is it so hard for you to understand that it doesn't look right in the eyes of others? Looking in scale and being in scale aren't the same thing.

You seem to miss the point completely...

Even G.I.Joes vary in scale, there is no "perfect" 1:18 scale out there as every line diverges quite a bit.
I'm sure someone could shrink down a piece of equipment and make it a perfect scale replica, but that would defeat the purpose seeing as all the figures are varying in scale.

What you seem to have trouble understand and accepting is that there is absolutely no perfect 1:18 scale, it doesn't exist, there is no line out there that follows it to the dot. Thus the examples with the smaller figures used to show off how big the gun was is moot, as I just proved otherwise with figures FROM THE SAME LINE, which was my point all along.

The argument is that the gun is a tad large, and that the proportions are off. They are not when you put it into the line of figures, the figures vary quite a bit. It's the perfect medium balancing the detail and the scale, and that is what people can't grasp.

[jcast]

Steve doesn't seem to notice the size, in fact it looks 100% natural with him:

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg73/haradrel_2008/1jpg-10.jpg
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg73/haradrel_2008/2jpg-9.jpg

Sergeant Scream doesn't seem to notice either:
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg73/haradrel_2008/3jpg-5.jpg
In fact he likes it:
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg73/haradrel_2008/4jpg-4.jpg

And neither does the leader of the kill team:
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg73/haradrel_2008/7jpg-2.jpg

...

http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu251/jcast23/facebook-like-buton.png

[daremo]

You seem to miss the point completely...

Even G.I.Joes vary in scale, there is no "perfect" 1:18 scale out there as every line diverges quite a bit.
I'm sure someone could shrink down a piece of equipment and make it a perfect scale replica, but that would defeat the purpose seeing as all the figures are varying in scale.

What you seem to have trouble understand and accepting is that there is absolutely no perfect 1:18 scale, it doesn't exist, there is no line out there that follows it to the dot. Thus the examples with the smaller figures used to show off how big the gun was is moot, as I just proved otherwise with figures FROM THE SAME LINE, which was my point all along.

The argument is that the gun is a tad large, and that the proportions are off. They are not when you put it into the line of figures, the figures vary quite a bit. It's the perfect medium balancing the detail and the scale, and that is what people can't grasp.

Ugh. Joe scale is not 1:18. GI Joe does not claim to be 1:18, Marauder does. Yes the large weapons work well with the right figure, it looks great with a 1:17 figure with large hands like Steve Rogers (your excellent photos prove it). But in the end no matter what figure you put that gun with, it will never be 1:18.

[Obi-Shinobi]

Haradrel,

Yes, all figures regardless of the line are not the same size. So what? People are different sizes too, but we're all in the same scale for humans. If there were Prometheus engineers walking around, we would have 2 scales now wouldn't we? The answer is yes.

Assault rifles are specific sizes. In the 1:18 world, those same weapons would still be a specific size. And guess what? Our worldwide math system dictates what that size is, not anyone's "eyeball logic".

Feel like testing your logic? Find something approximately 2.75in diameter, like the fat end of a baseball bat. Hold it in your hand. Would your logic tell you it looks the same as an assault rifle grip? Look at any fig you pictured holding the gun. Do you notice any similarities to you holding the item?

Correct scale they are not. No one can argue that they are, unless you're just that bass-ackwards.

Are they right for what you want? Seems like a resounding yes, based on your comments. Good for you... go have fun with what you like.

[Wry1]

This part:


is the truest post so far.
---------------
Edited:

Steve doesn't seem to notice the size, in fact it looks 100% natural with him:

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg73/haradrel_2008/1jpg-10.jpg
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg73/haradrel_2008/2jpg-9.jpg

Sergeant Scream doesn't seem to notice either:
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg73/haradrel_2008/3jpg-5.jpg
In fact he likes it:
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg73/haradrel_2008/4jpg-4.jpg

And neither does the leader of the kill team:
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg73/haradrel_2008/7jpg-2.jpg

Looks in scale to me.

It's the figures used, if you use smaller sized figures it will seem bigger, when in fact it is in scale as it should be.

you're absolutely right man, a Eotech sight should be about half the size of a human skull.... you have a keen eye and those pix really help prove that point.

[nerdsgetchicks]

you're absolutely right man, a Eotech sight should be about half the size of a human skull.... you have a keen eye and those pix really help prove that point.

I agree 100%. Nice design as far as the detail but the scale is off!

[Mermaniel]

This is still going on?? I have created a monster!!!:D

[GI Guppy the third]

you're absolutely right man, a Eotech sight should be about half the size of a human skull.... you have a keen eye and those pix really help prove that point.

You can probably get a gunsmith to make one that big. You can see more when they're that huge.

[Wry1]

I agree 100%. Nice design as far as the detail but the scale is off!

yes! epic detail, but...scalefail. it happens. i will still buy the shit out of these an hack 'em and slash 'em 'till I dig 'em. marauders is the best source out there right now.

[haradrel]

Haradrel,

Yes, all figures regardless of the line are not the same size. So what? People are different sizes too, but we're all in the same scale for humans. If there were Prometheus engineers walking around, we would have 2 scales now wouldn't we? The answer is yes.

The answer is actually no with that example, Prometheus engineers were set into the human universe, they are larger then us, so I don't see your point.


Assault rifles are specific sizes. In the 1:18 world, those same weapons would still be a specific size. And guess what? Our worldwide math system dictates what that size is, not anyone's "eyeball logic".

Feel like testing your logic? Find something approximately 2.75in diameter, like the fat end of a baseball bat. Hold it in your hand. Would your logic tell you it looks the same as an assault rifle grip? Look at any fig you pictured holding the gun. Do you notice any similarities to you holding the item?

Correct scale they are not. No one can argue that they are, unless you're just that bass-ackwards.

Are they right for what you want? Seems like a resounding yes, based on your comments. Good for you... go have fun with what you like.

Wrong scale they are not, if you want to argue that then you have to set a baseline for 1:18 figures, which you can't. This is the point you're missing. Nothing will be perfect scaled down like that, so you can't have a perfect 1:18 sized item.
Find me any rifle that you claim to be a perfect 1:18 and with your logic I will disprove that very quickly, 1. since details on that scale doesn't translate very well and 2. the physical construction would be to flimsy to hold it's own weight on most of the weapons. You can be as anal-retentive about it as you want to, but it doesn't change facts.

So you missed my point entirely. Well as you won't seem to want to understand the reality of it all, I'll just leave it be.

The EO Tech is pretty big, and not in scale with the weapons even, but I can see why, it's hollowed out, and you also have the alternative with the smaller sized EO Tech from an earlier wave if you don't like it.

[nilcam]

The modular sniper rifle is nothing short of amazing.

[Sithcobra]

question for everyone..the MP7A1 that came with 3 pack beachhead who likes it?? becuz its WAY off scale almost the size of what an M4 should be mar. guns if nothing else is not no more off scale than hasbro's guns but they look alot better and tons of combo's you can do to them..personally im replacing most of my guns with mar. gun kits

[Obi-Shinobi]

Oh my fucking god!!! Seriously???

It's well established in the toy industry, that a 12in fig is based on a 6ft man, making it 1:6. Would you like to take a wild fucking guess what 1:18 works out to??? Here's your only clue - the answer is in my sig. And I really don't give a shit about how some figs are taller than others... they are still based around the 1:18 scale regardless.

And apparently you can't understand simple ass examples either, i.e: my Prometheus engineer example.

I'm too damn tired of dealing with illogical ass ideas on what is or is not correctly scaled from you... or anyone for that matter.

[Sithcobra]

Oh my fucking god!!! Seriously???

It's well established in the toy industry, that a 12in fig is based on a 6ft man, making it 1:6. Would you like to take a wild fucking guess what 1:18 works out to??? Here's your only clue - the answer is in my sig. And I really don't give a shit about how some figs are taller than others... they are still based around the 1:18 scale regardless.

And apparently you can't understand simple ass examples either, i.e: my Prometheus engineer example.

I'm too damn tired of dealing with illogical ass ideas on what is or is not correctly scaled from you... or anyone for that matter.

i would say-well said and i agree

[daremo]

question for everyone..the MP7A1 that came with 3 pack beachhead who likes it?? becuz its WAY off scale almost the size of what an M4 should be mar. guns if nothing else is not no more off scale than hasbro's guns but they look alot better and tons of combo's you can do to them..personally im replacing most of my guns with mar. gun kits

They're about the same I'd say. The Marauder version will give you more customizing options and a removable clip (which makes the handle a little bigger).

http://www.majhost.com/gallery/daremo/daremo/dscn2726.jpg

[SoCalKid]

This is still going on?? I have created a monster!!!:D

You see what you've done, Daniel? You see?!

This is why we can't have nice things.

Hahaha! Although it's laced with some odd refusal to budge, holier-than-thou attitudes and not-so-subtle asshole remarks, it's still an important conversation to have in the hope and interest of getting more accurately scaled gear in the future.

Now can we all go back to playing with our goddamn toy ninjas, army men and biker gangs? Shit.

[haradrel]

Oh my fucking god!!! Seriously???


Very constructive.


It's well established in the toy industry, that a 12in fig is based on a 6ft man, making it 1:6.


Really. So MU Juggernaught is in scale with MU spiderman then? In real mathmatical terms...


Would you like to take a wild fucking guess what 1:18 works out to???

I could show you side by side comparison for a variety of 1:18 scale figures, the differences in not only size, but size of extremeties such as hands and feet etc. But I fear it would go well over your head.


Here's your only clue - the answer is in my sig. And I really don't give a shit about how some figs are taller than others... they are still based around the 1:18 scale regardless.


It's not just taller, the scale is off, as you said, if you did a mathmatical shrinkage of said characters, some heads would be way off scale, some hands would be HUGE, etc etc.
This has been my point all along, but it seems to elude you.


And apparently you can't understand simple ass examples either, i.e: my Prometheus engineer example.


But you're example was flawed. Don't you see that? With your logic of following mathmatical principles, a Prometheus Engineer would be in perfect scale when it was bigger, since it's set in a 1:18 universe. You actually dug your own argument into the grave with that one and further proved my point.


I'm too damn tired of dealing with illogical ass ideas on what is or is not correctly scaled from you... or anyone for that matter.
Then you shouldn't be posting in the first place, this thread is not running away, there is no time limit for a reply, see you're just being silly.

And you're wrong, my idea is the only logical one, your idea about using a correct mathmatical assesment to scale down items would be extermely flawed. Have you seen the hands and the grips of most figures? If we got flimsy grips that wouldn't fit, how would that benefit the action figure community?
Not to mention that quality would plummeth, plastic is not metal, and plastic on that scale would break and snap so insanely easy.

Marauder is supplying a weapon that is in scale with MOST figures, based on a baseline of a norm. You can't use math to get something into scale when scale varies in the extremes across lines.

[Sithcobra]

i only have one problem with the guns....im prolly gonna lose some mag's lol

[haradrel]

i only have one problem with the guns....im prolly gonna lose some mag's lol

Get more! lol you can get them in packs by themselves.

Also, I was recently educated in the way of large EO-Techs. There is such a thing as a giant one:

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc176/marauderjohn/holo.jpg

So there goes that argument as well. Where's your God now? :p

[Talisman]

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc176/marauderjohn/holo.jpg

So there goes that argument as well. Where's your God now? :p

On holiday with Buddha and Vishnu in the Appalachians, why do you ask?

[haradrel]

On holiday with Buddha and Vishnu in the Appalachians, why do you ask?

Just curious, he seemed missing.

[heymilt]

Still doesnt explain why the handle and stock are so much larger. Even the free floating handguard is too thick. Larger caliber, doesnt necessarily equate to larger rifle.

Sadly the FOS is too big.
Always a couple per wave that are on the +side.
MGR is still champ tho'...

[DarkHorse]

Put my order in earlier today. Looking forward to the flamethrowers! Burnout and Torch are getting upgrades!

[haradrel]

"Larger caliber, doesnt necessarily equate to larger rifle."

Uhm... Yes it does.

http://cdn5.thefirearmsblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/picture-5-3.png
http://blog.zephyrsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/IMG_0095_WEB-1024x696.jpg
http://www.gunpundit.com/2008/HK416_HK417.jpg

[Sithcobra]

Get more! lol you can get them in packs by themselves.

Also, I was recently educated in the way of large EO-Techs. There is such a thing as a giant one:

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc176/marauderjohn/holo.jpg

So there goes that argument as well. Where's your God now? :p

yep i use one alot lol i have a small one and large one they make alot of vary sizes and so forth

[Sithcobra]

and my best friend here love the .50 that comes with poc recondo but hated how it was like 30% too small got him the mar.gunrunner one and its almost perfect and he can customize it pretty good and so forth sooo now he's cherry lol

[Reverend Blood]

"Larger caliber, doesnt necessarily equate to larger rifle."

Uhm... Yes it does.

http://cdn5.thefirearmsblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/picture-5-3.png


Thank you. This and the EOtech picture pretty much sum up and invalidate all arguments. Now keep giving Marauder John all of your money.

[nerdsgetchicks]

Thank you. This and the EOtech picture pretty much sum up and invalidate all arguments. Now keep giving Marauder John all of your money.

This is not always the case.

T/C Dimension™ Switch-Barrel Rifle
Interchangeable Barrels, Bolts, and Magazines

TC Dimension Switch Barrel Bolt Action Rifle at EABCO - Interchangeable Barrels, Bolts, and Magazines Rifle System from Thompson Center Arms (http://www.eabco.com/tc_dimension_rifle.html)


Also. The new Kalashnikov Ak12 uses all of these.

5.45x39mm Soviet
5.56x45mm NATO
6.5mm Grendel[3]
7.62x39mm
7.62x51mm NATO


It involved the barrel and receiver!! NOT THE WEAPON SIZE!!

[orezona]

You know what I really like about Series #6?

The matte finish on the set... It's awesome!

I have a feeling it will take paint really well.

Also, it's probably been said already a few times but the AA-12 is quite simply amazing. It's only flaw is the drum clip is pretty touchy but a tiny bit of super glue fixes that right quick. A little dab will do ya.

Are there any plans to release a straight (8?) round magazine for the AA-12...?

[Riotheory]

Are there any plans to release a straight (8?) round magazine for the AA-12...?

A straight magazine would look good on that AA-12.

R.

[Obi-Shinobi]

Really. So MU Juggernaught is in scale with MU spiderman then? In real mathmatical terms...

Never said any company adheres to correct scale with their own characters. However... BBI, Unimax, and even 21st century do, or did.


I could show you side by side comparison for a variety of 1:18 scale figures, the differences in not only size, but size of extremeties such as hands and feet etc. But I fear it would go well over your head.

That's because most companies don't adhere to a standard s cale, but continue to label their products 1:18, or 3.75. It's a popular catchphrase for small figures, nothing more. How many toy lines still tout 3.75 even though the actual product is taller? Several. Blame the industry for that, not me.

It's not just taller, the scale is off, as you said, if you did a mathmatical shrinkage of said characters, some heads would be way off scale, some hands would be HUGE, etc etc.
This has been my point all along, but it seems to elude you.

Again, proportions from different sculptors from different companies. Overall size is the only thing I mentioned. A 6ft person will always equate to 4in when divided by 18. Specific proportions of that person will always vary.

But you're example was flawed. Don't you see that? With your logic of following mathmatical principles, a Prometheus Engineer would be in perfect scale when it was bigger, since it's set in a 1:18 universe. You actually dug your own argument into the grave with that one and further proved my point.

If Prometheus engineers came to this planet, nothing we have would be in their scale. Nothing they have would be in our scale. 2 different scales, simply put. Human scale and alien scale, coexisting simultaneously. I seriously doubt a proportionate 9-10ft being would find it easy to operate an M4 with any success. Therefore, someone would have to make a larger scaled

weapon for them to use.

Then you shouldn't be posting in the first place, this thread is not running away, there is no time limit for a reply, see you're just being silly.

For the record, I posted my bit under customizing general discussion, for people who care about this stuff to discuss it. Why it was moved to a collector-minded forum, I have no idea. I suppose some mod thought it would be funny perhaps. And I'm not running away from anything. I simply choose not to continue listening to people trying to convince me that my opinion about a product is wrong, with their opinions. Remember, I never said people shouldn't buy them or use them. Anyway... this will be my last post.

And you're wrong, my idea is the only logical one, your idea about using a correct mathmatical assesment to scale down items would be extermely flawed. Have you seen the hands and the grips of most figures? If we got flimsy grips that wouldn't fit, how would that benefit the action figure community?
Not to mention that quality would plummeth, plastic is not metal, and plastic on that scale would break and snap so insanely easy.

Marauder is supplying a weapon that is in scale with MOST figures, based on a baseline of a norm. You can't use math to get something into scale when scale varies in the extremes across lines.

And what scale is this baseline? Surely it's not a true 1:18 as MGR's claims. You said it yourself - "most" figures. So which is it? I can use this stuff with 5+in figs too, so what?

Again, this was for customizers who care about such things, not the typical collector or hobbyist. Believe it or not, there are little plastic weapons being made today by a few companies that are correct scale. Guess what? They're not flimsy, brittle, or anything in between. A Bravo Team M4 is no more flimsy than anything you want to compare it to, and yet it's one of the most correctly scaled 1:18 M4's out there, along with the BBI version. Here's a comparison for you -

The last 2 are the closest to proper scale, and they fit "most" figures just fine. Are you really going to suggest that these better examples are inferior somehow because they're smaller? Would it have hurt MJ to have designed his pieces to a closer similarity?

http://www.majhost.com/gallery/ShadowofDeth/Custom-figures/WIPs/dscn2716.jpg

And the pic comparing the new FOS with the Bravo M4 -

http://www.majhost.com/gallery/ShadowofDeth/Custom-figures/WIPs/p1010648.jpg

If you still can't see the very obvious difference, I can't help you, nor anyone else.

BTW - a larger caliber might make for a larger bolt assembly and magazine well, but it does not ever make for a larger handle and trigger assembly. You need to look at ALL of the components of your pictorial comparisons, not just the overall size. Several gun companies make interchangeable upper receivers to accommodate different rounds, but the lower receiver and handle never change.

If you, or anyone else, can't see the validity in my argument...

Then why in the hell should I entertain any of yours?

[Reverend Blood]

This is not always the case.

T/C Dimension™ Switch-Barrel Rifle
Interchangeable Barrels, Bolts, and Magazines

TC Dimension Switch Barrel Bolt Action Rifle at EABCO - Interchangeable Barrels, Bolts, and Magazines Rifle System from Thompson Center Arms (http://www.eabco.com/tc_dimension_rifle.html)


Also. The new Kalashnikov Ak12 uses all of these.

5.45x39mm Soviet
5.56x45mm NATO
6.5mm Grendel[3]
7.62x39mm
7.62x51mm NATO


It involved the barrel and receiver!! NOT THE WEAPON SIZE!!

But the photo is of the HK 5.56 carbine, compared to the HK .308 MBR, which is where marauder john has already claimed to draw inspiration. not your referenced bolt-action, or the AK12, which, due to it's interchangeability is built on a larger frame than the standard issue AK74
http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/putin-AK-200-620x426.jpg

[Reverend Blood]

You know what I really like about Series #6?

The matte finish on the set... It's awesome!

I have a feeling it will take paint really well.



They do take paint very well


http://i489.photobucket.com/albums/rr251/preacher1311/IMAG1051.jpg

[orezona]

[THREAD DERAIL]


http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/putin-AK-200-620x426.jpg

Is Medvedev sporting a Members Only jacket knock off in this pic?

[/THREAD DERAIL]

[Reverend Blood]

[THREAD DERAIL]



Is Medvedev sporting a Members Only jacket knock off in this pic?

[/THREAD DERAIL]

I don't always have heroes on internet forums, but when I do, it's because they derail threads in style.

[shishi]

Don't really get the argument here. If it isn't 1:18 scale when you measure it then it isn't 1:18 scale. If you are happy with the size aesthetically then fine, but why argue over the scale? If you are really interested in the scale why continue pointless arguments with people who are only interested if it looks good?

[jediz]

[THREAD DERAIL]



Is Medvedev sporting a Members Only jacket knock off in this pic?

[/THREAD DERAIL]

Uh no - in soviet russia, "members only" jacket wears you.

Besides, it does look rather spiffy.

[haradrel]

Never said any company adheres to correct scale with their own characters. However... BBI, Unimax, and even 21st century do, or did.


Uhm... You just did, right there, now.
So you are telling me that I will find no mistakes in the scaling of those companies? I beg to differ. I could find multiple mistakes, all ranging from again: texture on the grip, to grip sizes, bodies being thicker or thinner, magazines not matching each other in scale etc.


That's because most companies don't adhere to a standard s cale,


Hold on, so here you are now saying that most 1:18 figures are not in scale. Thank you.



but continue to label their products 1:18, or 3.75. It's a popular catchphrase for small figures, nothing more. How many toy lines still tout 3.75 even though the actual product is taller? Several. Blame the industry for that, not me.


I never blamed you, but your logic is failing quickly here. This is the reason why you can't have perfect 1:18 scale weapons, as you put it: MOST will not fit with that. You just really made my argument perfectly.


Again, proportions from different sculptors from different companies. Overall size is the only thing I mentioned. A 6ft person will always equate to 4in when divided by 18. Specific proportions of that person will always vary.

Which is why I pointed out that it's not just size, which you seem hung up on, it's hands (and more), which means grips, which means that the grips on the guns have to be bigger to get it to fit, ergo to be right scale for the figure.



If Prometheus engineers came to this planet, nothing we have would be in their scale. Nothing they have would be in our scale. 2 different scales, simply put. Human scale and alien scale, coexisting simultaneously. I seriously doubt a proportionate 9-10ft being would find it easy to operate an M4 with any success. Therefore, someone would have to make a larger scaled

weapon for them to use.

You would be wrong again.
There would only be one scale, the Promethus equipment however would be bigger, but it would still be in scale with the rest - as a bigger piece of equipment. This is the flaw in your argument that I'm pointing out. In that setting there is only 1 scale, if some are gigantic as opposed to normal that doesn't matter, it's still based off 1 scale. a 2 up of a normal sized item is still in scale.


For the record, I posted my bit under customizing general discussion, for people who care about this stuff to discuss it. Why it was moved to a collector-minded forum, I have no idea. I suppose some mod thought it would be funny perhaps. And I'm not running away from anything. I simply choose not to continue listening to people trying to convince me that my opinion about a product is wrong, with their opinions.


No instead you decided to have a minor tantrum which yielded nothing to the discussion.
And again, it's not opinion, it's fact, as you have pointed out yourself now - here's an example: different toylines have different scales, you said so yourself.


Remember, I never said people shouldn't buy them or use them. Anyway... this will be my last post.


You've gone back to calmly discussing it, and whilst your opinion and logic is still flawed at least now you're doing it civilized and calm and actually getting to the heart of the matter. I'd be interested in seeing your replies to this to be honest.


And what scale is this baseline? Surely it's not a true 1:18 as MGR's claims. You said it yourself - "most" figures. So which is it? I can use this stuff with 5+in figs too, so what?


This is my point. There is no perfect baseline, you have to chose something to fit "most" or else it will fit only a tiny percentage of lines. And lets be honest about this, it's a business, they want to sell, so why should they conform themselves to creating something that will be used by a very select few, instead of finding that happy medium that will go towards most collectors?
The baseline is: Most - the standard that's hot these days, which is slightly above the size of "true" 1:18. You even agreed on this. Thus it would be extremely silly to make a perfect 1:18 rifle scaled down.


Again, this was for customizers who care about such things, not the typical collector or hobbyist.

Then why argue it at all, you did realize that Marauder is trying to hit the bigger marked out there - and in that context - the weapons are not off scale at all. This is the baseline that I have been talking about, that I now have established and that you have agreed upon with the "most" comment.


Believe it or not, there are little plastic weapons being made today by a few companies that are correct scale. Guess what? They're not flimsy, brittle, or anything in between.

Show me examples and I will show you how they lack in detail, are thicker or thinner compared to their real size equivalent etc.
When you do scale down, you lose detail, you lose the thickness and robustness for the finer things - such as iron sights for example.


A Bravo Team M4 is no more flimsy than anything you want to compare it to, and yet it's one of the most correctly scaled 1:18 M4's out there, along with the BBI version. Here's a comparison for you -

The last 2 are the closest to proper scale, and they fit "most" figures just fine.

The ris rails are off, the tubestocks are bent (ergo flimsy), the front sights are off, the magazines are WAY off.

See what happens when you try and add a perfect math comparison into it?



Are you really going to suggest that these better examples are inferior somehow because they're smaller?


Yes, I have a few of those myself, the rifle barrels are extremely flimsy at that size, some have broken off with normal handling. As they are smaller they do not fit the norm, so they look off.

Would it have hurt MJ to have designed his pieces to a closer similarity?

Yes, since they are trying to sell to most - which has been established by both you and me now.



http://www.majhost.com/gallery/ShadowofDeth/Custom-figures/WIPs/dscn2716.jpg

And the pic comparing the new FOS with the Bravo M4 -

http://www.majhost.com/gallery/ShadowofDeth/Custom-figures/WIPs/p1010648.jpg

If you still can't see the very obvious difference, I can't help you, nor anyone else.


I do see a difference, which is why I brought up the 417 version, obviously they are copying that.


BTW - a larger caliber might make for a larger bolt assembly and magazine well, but it does not ever make for a larger handle and trigger assembly.

Okay you obviously have no knowledge in the real rifle world.
Let me show you the picture of the 416 and 417 again, look at the pistol grip/aka handle and trigger assembly.
For larger rifles you want more to stabilize it. Look at a PSG-1 compared to a G3 as well, sniper handle there. The ergonomics change drastically when using a larger weapon, it has to do with comfort. You also do get larger trigger assemblies.

Here:
http://cdn5.thefirearmsblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/picture-5-3.png
http://blog.zephyrsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/IMG_0095_WEB-1024x696.jpg
http://www.gunpundit.com/2008/HK416_HK417.jpg


You need to look at ALL of the components of your pictorial comparisons, not just the overall size. Several gun companies make interchangeable upper receivers to accommodate different rounds, but the lower receiver and handle never change.

Again you are wrong. I think you are misunderstanding how the AR rifle work. Look up an AK lower compared to an M4 lower - See the SCAR as an example there or the XM8.

Lowers change just as much, they just prefer it when they don't.


If you, or anyone else, can't see the validity in my argument...

Then why in the hell should I entertain any of yours?

I don't care if you entertain mine or not. I've said my piece. But you tried to base your validity in facts that were not facts and ideas that does not hold water. Be real about this and set it in a real setting and you immediately see that fallacies and wrongness of your arguments from the get go.

I have now proved that the norm is larger scale. Thus 1:18 will not work. I set the baseline, you even agreed on that. That should be the end of the debate really.

[daremo]

http://www.majhost.com/gallery/ShadowofDeth/Custom-figures/WIPs/dscn2716.jpg

Huh, 3 to 1 that the norm isn't the larger scale ;)

It must be a real treat when someone reads Goldilocks and the three bears to you.

[haradrel]

Huh, 3 to 1 that the norm isn't the larger scale ;)

It must be a real treat when someone reads Goldilocks and the three bears to you.

This makes no sense, we already established that the larger scales, what has been referred to as "not true 1:18" apply to "most" figures these days. Thus it becomes the norm.

[SmokePants]

I bring shocking news from the real world: not every human being is 6' on the nose. And people who are 5'7" can operate any firearm just fine and it doesn't make them look silly.

By the way, let's see some cool poses with those tiny-ass "true 1:18" scale weapons. In my experience with Bravo Team and BBI, the carbines are too short to accommodate realistic fighting stances. The second arm has a hard time reaching over to support the dinky 1/2" barrels. Mine are all warped in weird ways, the detail looks like melted wax, and they don't stay in the 1:15 scale hands very well.

On second thought, let's just lock this thread and start a new one where the things that actually matter about Marauder series 6 are discussed. As far as I'm concerned, they are the ideal size for ~4" figures meant to be handled by ~3-7' people.

Maybe some day, the figures themselves will be perfectly in proportion with human beings, with exactly the same range of motion, and we'll all have cybernetic eyeballs to be able to appreciate super-detailed, tiny-ass weapons. But that day is not today.

[nerdsgetchicks]

If I hear one more person refer to the Magazine as a clip!!!! AARRRGHHH!!!!

Clips are used to hold cartridges for rapid reload of magazines, which may be fixed as a permanent part of the gun (Mauser C96 pistol, Mauser 98 rifle, etc.) or detachable (M1 Carbine, AR15, etc.)


http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/3160/magazine2b2bvs2b2bclip.jpg


Another term that sounds really ridiculous is "Banana Clip."

http://files.apgar.us/guns/Banana-Gun-Clip-3835.jpg

This is a banana clip folks!! Not the above photo!

http://www.liketotally80s.com/images/banana-clip-01.jpg

[Riotheory]

Riotheory and Michael Jordan walk down the street. They find a 1998 Mazda Miata parked on by the curb with a “Free” sign in the window. They walk around it, sit in the seats, and come to a verdict.


Riotheory: 1:1=5’ 8”; 1:18=3.77”
Michael Jordan: 1:1=6’ 6”; 1:18=4.33”
Miata: 1:1 Length=155.4”; 1:18=8.62”
1:1 Width=65.9”; 1:18=3.66”
1:1 Height=48.2”; 1:18=2.67”


Michael Jordan says:Too small in 1:1 Too small in 1:18
Riotheory says: Meh, it’ll get me to work.

3-3/4 and 4 inch figures are based on 1:18th scale. The scale is a measurement, a simple size conversion: 6'=4". To find it, you take the real world number and divide it by eighteen: 78" (6'6")/18 = 4.33". It doesn't have to do with the size of people, who, it's been pointed out, are varied sizes. As is demonstrated by the test subjects, the height of people can fluctuate: 3-3/4” (ARAH) to 4-1/4” (Night Adder/Resolute RB). Sizes of people fluctuate; things such as cars and guns do not. While Michael Jordan might have a brother or cousin or girlfriend who is 4” in 1:18th scale, the Miata will never have a brother or cousin or even a girlfriend that is 9” long in the 1:18th scale. The Miata is a product made at a set, standardized, when-all-the-pieces-are-put-together-this-is-what-it-measures size. Because of that, the 1:18th scale will never change for the Miata, whether someone wants to stick Roadblock or RAH Scarlett in the driver’s seat.

If you don't care about scale and action figures, you'll probably add years of low stress to your life. But scale is a measurement, and 1:18 is what 3-3/4 and 4 inch figure lines attempt to follow. There's no need to give people crap who are interested in accuracy. It's not hurting you. Instead, go check out some of their customs. You won't be picking up anything that realistic or, in most cases, as cool at the store.

R.

P.S. Photo deliberately fuzzy to protect parties identities.

[nerdsgetchicks]

But the photo is of the HK 5.56 carbine, compared to the HK .308 MBR, which is where marauder john has already claimed to draw inspiration. not your referenced bolt-action, or the AK12, which, due to it's interchangeability is built on a larger frame than the standard issue AK74
http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/putin-AK-200-620x426.jpg

That guy holding the weapon weighs a buck ten at most!! LMAO!!! We are talking about JOES!!!

[haradrel]

3-3/4 and 4 inch figures are based on 1:18th scale.


Thank you. Based on. As in, not an exact science.



If you don't care about scale and action figures, you'll probably add years of low stress to your life. But scale is a measurement, and 1:18 is what 3-3/4 and 4 inch figure lines attempt to follow. There's no need to give people crap who are interested in accuracy. It's not hurting you. Instead, go check out some of their customs. You won't be picking up anything that realistic or, in most cases, as cool at the store.

R.

P.S. Photo deliberately fuzzy to protect parties identities.


All the fun math doesn't equate proportions only size, which seems to be the only thing you guys think about.
Disproportionate hands will not hold small weapons, the point gets kind of moot after that.
Disproportionate muscles, legs, arms, throws the scale idea completely off since you're only basing it on height, the size of the weapon should only be based on length then...

If you don't like people pointing out the flaws in your logic, then you really shouldn't come here, instead go watch the pretty pictures of the customs that some make.

I also enjoyed this: 1:18 is what 3-3/4 and 4 inch figure lines attempt to follow.

This combined with the "based on" comment leads me to believe that my work here is done. Everybody is suddenly being vague enough to account for error.

[Riotheory]

Please don't insult my logic. I think perhaps we are arguing two totally different points.

There can't be error when you are talking about scaling humans or animals. We have different proportions. An item with a fixed size has an actual 1:18th equivalent. There is no argument against that.

If your argument is whether or not a thing can be out of scale and still look good or be cool, or even work better with Joes and other action figures, that is a totally different argument, a subjective one that can and will go on for as long as people collect scaled items and talk about it.

R.

[haradrel]

Please don't insult my logic.


Why? It's obviously wrong.



I think perhaps we are arguing two totally different points.


Nope same point.


There can't be error when you are talking about scaling humans or animals. We have different proportions.

O rly? (pictures to follow)



An item with a fixed size has an actual 1:18th equivalent. There is no argument against that.


http://images.footballfanatics.com/productImages/_253000/FF_253430_xl.jpg

http://globalnerdy.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/iphone-in-megahuge-hands.jpg

There's my argument. Tell me those are in perfect scale.


If your argument is whether or not a thing can be out of scale and still look good or be cool, or even work better with Joes and other action figures, that is a totally different argument


It is not, my argument has been clear all along. You can't use math to equate a size for setting a baseline.
Since character vary in size, height, proportions etc. ESPECIALLY when it comes to details on a gun, which has to fit "most" which is the baseline.

Details on the figures will vary quite a bit, thus throwing the scaled logic out the window. Belt buckles, clothing, details on their equipment will all vary to some degree. There will never be a "perfect 1:18" scaled figure, we will have things that come close, but the point is still moot especially when we've already established that "most" figures that claim to be 1:18 is not.

[EvilMonkeyPrime]

Still going wow, sorry about the bump.

[OSOK]

is it just me or is it a little too big?


if i had $1 for everytime I heard that, I would have zero dollars

[Riotheory]

Why? It's obviously wrong.




Nope same point.



O rly? (pictures to follow)




http://images.footballfanatics.com/productImages/_253000/FF_253430_xl.jpg

http://globalnerdy.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/iphone-in-megahuge-hands.jpg

There's my argument. Tell me those are in perfect scale.



It is not, my argument has been clear all along. You can't use math to equate a size for setting a baseline.
Since character vary in size, height, proportions etc. ESPECIALLY when it comes to details on a gun, which has to fit "most" which is the baseline.

Details on the figures will vary quite a bit, thus throwing the scaled logic out the window. Belt buckles, clothing, details on their equipment will all vary to some degree. There will never be a "perfect 1:18" scaled figure, we will have things that come close, but the point is still moot especially when we've already established that "most" figures that claim to be 1:18 is not.

Those distortions you used for examples made no attempt at accuracy, and you know it. We are talking about natural human variance vs. something mechanically created to a specific parameter. A specific buckle will have an exact 1:18 equivalent; the reproduction may or may not achieve it, but it's still there. There will never be a perfect figure because there is no standard specific parameter to people. The accessories can and sometimes are to scale. There is a baseline.

R.

[Gilgamesh51]

You know what I really like about Series #6?

The matte finish on the set... It's awesome!

I have a feeling it will take paint really well.

Also, it's probably been said already a few times but the AA-12 is quite simply amazing. It's only flaw is the drum clip is pretty touchy but a tiny bit of super glue fixes that right quick. A little dab will do ya.

Are there any plans to release a straight (8?) round magazine for the AA-12...?

I've noticed the finish too! I like it alot more than the previous series weapons, since the plastic he used was glossy. They are still great, but series 6 does look more realstic to me (in terms of sheen).

The one thing that does frusterate me is the removable magazines on some of his weapons. But yeah, glue it and you're good. I'm glad the MP40s have permanent magazines on them.

I too am interested if MJ will be releasing a magazine for the AA12...

[fogger1138]

Wow, someone really doesn't get the difference between scale and proportion.

[haradrel]

Those distortions you used for examples made no attempt at accuracy, and you know it.

Oh no no, these are in scale for what they were trying to achieve. Yes they have mixed proportions, but they are still in scale to their line.


We are talking about natural human variance vs. something mechanically created to a specific parameter.
No we are not. We are talking about action figures, that vary in scale, size and proportions, this is the crux of the argument that you are simply not getting.

The parameter is not specific, it's "eyeballed" to get it to look into scale which is what I have been saying all along.
I noticed you never commented on me finding the faults in your "perfect M4" example, with the variations and, per your definition: Wrong scale of the front sights, magazine and more.


A specific buckle will have an exact 1:18 equivalent; the reproduction may or may not achieve it, but it's still there.


Put that buckle on a sling, and see if it will hold up to the stress of being handled. This is why we can't have nice things.


There will never be a perfect figure because there is no standard specific parameter to people.

Wait wait, oh this is getting good now. - No perfect figure, because there is no standard - We already agreed on a standard, the baseline. But wait there's more:


The accessories can and sometimes are to scale. There is a baseline.
R.

So What you are saying is that one inanimate object can be in scale whilst one cannot. - Yeah your argument holds absolutely no water now. A figure cannot be to scale but a rifle can...
No. None of them can be a perfect 1:18 scale, thus you can't use math - it wouldn't hold up, details would be lost, it would be too fragile. I've gone over this quite a few times now.



Wow, someone really doesn't get the difference between scale and proportion.

If proportions are off enough the scale changes. Someone doesn't understand the argument.

[nerdsgetchicks]

The Angle of the dangle
In direct proportion to the heat of the meat

[Otomo]

Scoured the site and I can't find the SOCOM with removable silencer that was available a few months ago.

I didn't get it cause I was waiting for series 6 for one big purchase but now it seems it's long gone.

Is this coming back??

[Talisman]

Scoured the site and I can't find the SOCOM with removable silencer that was available a few months ago.

I didn't get it cause I was waiting for series 6 for one big purchase but now it seems it's long gone.

Is this coming back??

Same problem with the Banana Clip AK and "Urban Ops" rifle. Probably out of stock for the time being, should be restocking in a few weeks or so.

[nerdsgetchicks]

Same problem with the Banana Clip AK and "Urban Ops" rifle. Probably out of stock for the time being, should be restocking in a few weeks or so.

LAMO!!! Banana clip!