Question about Vintage restoration kits on EBAY

[rdominiack]

I see people with all these restoration kits on EBAY..Is this new? Do they label it as restoration and do they have to....Im starting to worry about buying MOC vintage Joes..

See example-

VINTAGE GI JOE ACTION FIGURE RESTORATION KIT - 1982 Snake Eyes- 9 back | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-GI-JOE-ACTION-FIGURE-RESTORATION-KIT-1982-Snake-Eyes-9-back-/170835213644?pt=US_Action_Figures&hash=item27c6927d4c)

[nerdsgetchicks]

I agree. Makes it hard to tell them apart.

[tycondrius]

well those are pretty new to me

[CVdelgado]

i havent seen them before either.

personally, i wouldnt want to recard a vintage figure.

i dont buy moc vintage stuff either though, but i got a mean 25th moc collection. :)

[wormser]

thats horse hockey. scalpers will have a field day cheating people with this crap.

[nerdsgetchicks]

thats horse hockey. scalpers will have a field day cheating people with this crap.

Damn right!!!!

Also! YEAH FOR THE LATE NIGHTERS ON THE TANK!!!:D

[CVdelgado]

thats horse hockey. scalpers will have a field day cheating people with this crap.

waitaminute, that would have nothing to do with scalpers. it would be more like repackers, maybe we'd have to call them recarders...

[CVdelgado]

Damn right!!!!

Also! YEAH FOR THE LATE NIGHTERS ON THE TANK!!!:D

V-A-C-A-T-I-O-N :D

i should go to sleep though... :)

[firefox91]

I'm not sure about that particular seller. There is a group out there called Beggars Canyon Toys that has been selling resto kits ob eBay and through their own site for a little while now. I bought several from them. The quality of them is quite good. Hanging on a wall for display (which is how I use mine) you can't tell the difference. But up close they are easy to tell they are reproduction. The back of the package says "reproduction packaging" and you can see the use of double sided tape on the bubble. Yes, people could use these to scam others. But really buyers should use their brains. Getting a complete mint unpunched card from the 80s is nearly impossible to come by. If it is easy to get, it is likely a fake.

[bassistcarlos]

Toys are meant to be played with. Open your toys. No worries. ;)

[Havok]

I think if your looking to card some of your original Joes to make your collection look nicer for display that's great. But, on the other hand if your buying Mint on card Joes buyer beware. Just stay educated and study the differences between repro and original. However, keep this in mind... If it looks too pristine to be real Vintage MOC chances are its not. There will always be some degradation of the cardback in a 30 year old figure.

[Lantern_Lad]

I think if your looking to card some of your original Joes to make your collection look nicer for display that's great. But, on the other hand if your buying Mint on card Joes buyer beware. Just stay educated and study the differences between repro and original. However, keep this in mind... If it looks too pristine to be real Vintage MOC chances are its not. There will always be some degradation of the cardback in a 30 year old figure.

Agreed... I was thinking of collecting the original 13 on card/in box, but this makes me want to reevaluate that idea. However... if I can get these cards... maybe I just shove my loose straight arm collection into them.

...hmmmmm

[orezona]

This begs the question, then:

Vintage GI JOE ACTION FIGURE - 1988 Roadblock TIGER FORCE- MOC | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-GI-JOE-ACTION-FIGURE-1988-Roadblock-TIGER-FORCE-MOC-/170831341696?pt=US_Action_Figures&hash=item27c6576880)

Real or a repro?

Not saying this seller is trying to rip anyone off, but I'd be wary about paying for that MOC vintage figure considering they are also selling pretty decent repro cardbacks...

[rdominiack]

Wow...your right Orezona....makes me wonder, I would not buy from him, he sells the repo cards..He lost all credibility....I hate these repo cards..i paid 400 for a Doc just recently I have it in hand but really having a hard time telling if its real...What do you think?

G.I. Joe Hasbro 1983 Doc 20 back MOC unpunched AFA ready | eBay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&item=170850550559&nma=true&rt=nc&si=cnDEH2%252Fexk03XCutV2Tjuk%252F6iI4%253D&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc)

[Dealer Destro]

thats horse hockey. scalpers will have a field day cheating people with this crap.

How is it horse hockey if someone other than you could find use for that? Is that what you say to the individual who would really use this for its intended purpose? Besides it even says they are un punched. Which to me is the end all right there as most MOC vintage stuff looks worn, and will not look as new and crisp as these cards do.

[Dealer Destro]

Wow...your right Orezona....makes me wonder, I would not buy from him, he sells the repo cards..He lost all credibility....I hate these repo cards..i paid 400 for a Doc just recently I have it in hand but really having a hard time telling if its real...What do you think?

G.I. Joe Hasbro 1983 Doc 20 back MOC unpunched AFA ready | eBay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&item=170850550559&nma=true&rt=nc&si=cnDEH2%252Fexk03XCutV2Tjuk%252F6iI4%253D&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc)

Yours looks legit as the repo card doesn't appear to even have a peg 'punched' hole. It appears to be a solid finish on the repos.

[Dealer Destro]

I think if your looking to card some of your original Joes to make your collection look nicer for display that's great. But, on the other hand if your buying Mint on card Joes buyer beware. Just stay educated and study the differences between repro and original. However, keep this in mind... If it looks too pristine to be real Vintage MOC chances are its not. There will always be some degradation of the cardback in a 30 year old figure.

My god! A common sense approach to this thing! On the tank!??!?! Let me pinch myself and make sure I am not asleep! Kudos to your sir!

[ero]

How is it horse hockey if someone other than you could find use for that? Is that what you say to the individual who would really use this for its intended purpose? Besides it even says they are un punched. Which to me is the end all right there as most MOC vintage stuff looks worn, and will not look as new and crisp as these cards do.

^ This ^

Just be educated. Look at feedback, too. If they have a lot of it and have a lot of carded inventory, they more than likely would have been found out beforehand.

My next big project will be to order stuff from Beggars Canyon Toys. They are very clear about why they exist, and it's to enrich personal collections. They're nice guys and, as far as I can tell, have nice product. And it is clearly, though discreetly, marked on the back as reproduction. I think it's a WONDERFUL service that they offer.

For some of us who don't have tons of money but want to have some MOC Joes from back in the day (with less anxiety) this is a great way to do it.

[thomasseeber]

In those auctions I can't see the 'reproduction' stamp. Are they the same ones?

Generally I'm a fan of repro anything, but I think the producers should do the right thing and make it clear on the product (somehow).

[ChaplainAsst]

In those auctions I can't see the 'reproduction' stamp. Are they the same ones?

Generally I'm a fan of repro anything, but I think the producers should do the right thing and make it clear on the product (somehow).

They said that the stamp is on the back. This makes sense as a person wanting to display a figure wouldn't want that on the front. Ebay is pretty good at refunding your money if you can show the seller misrepresented the item.

[hahoo3]

The MOC ARAH figs I usually get aren't perfect, so I shouldn't have to worry about getting dupt. But, it is something to watch out for. We'll need to see a samply of that 'reroduction' stamp on the back of the card if anyone has one available.

[Wyo]

These cards/bubbles are incredible. I know custom cards, and they are waaaaaaaaaaaay better than anything I can make. They definitely look spot on to the originals. I actually buy them myself for my own personal collection.

That being said, you can actually tell they are reproduction if you look carefully. First of all, they are clearly labeled as reproduction on the back of the card near the barcode.....so if you see a reproduction that is being passed off as a "legit" card on ebay or where ever, just be cognitive of that fact. If some seller has a perfect card, or near perfect card with "damage" near the barcode....its probably a good chance its a reproduction.

Also, I noticed that the card art is a little bit darker with the reproduction cards than the originals. The color contrast is a bit off. I noticed this when I put my original 1985 Shipwreck card upp to the replica that I bought for display. The replica art of Shipwreck was way darker. Still works for me though. I actually sold off all my originals and am going with Beggars Canyon custom cards. I like knowing that I never have to worry about them losing value, and I can display the figure and art without worrying about color fading or whatever.

[InspectorZartan]

I noticed this seller also has a kit for the 84 hooded Cobra Commander but if I'm not mistaken that figure was mail away only and thus never had a full card. Just found that interesting.

[ero]

I actually sold off all my originals and am going with Beggars Canyon custom cards. I like knowing that I never have to worry about them losing value, and I can display the figure and art without worrying about color fading or whatever.

This is where I am on it. How awesome is it to be able to hang repro ARAH cards on a peg or put em up in your display and not worry about it? It's just too great. Now if they'd only hurry up and get the '86 cards going! :)

[firefox91]

I love these repro kits so much that I started taking significant actions in my collection. I had a near full set of 25th carded figures hanging on my wall. But it was more for the artwork than the figures because I am not a fan of the 25th figures. I sold the entire lot of them. I then put together a spreadsheet of all the kits that Beggar's Canyon offers, all the mint complete figures I had, and everything I still needed to get. I got as far as buying a full run of 1984 cardbacks and started doing a few. Then by luck I came across the deal of a lifetime. I had a guy sell me about 30 MOC figures from the 1980s for a complete steal of a price. I have all those hanging on the wall next to several reproductions and very little space left. :) So now I think I am just going to get a few more repros of the ones I like the most and call it done.

One thing that is great about the Beggar's Canyon ones is that they have realistic looking cardbacks for figures that were never USA single carded like the hooded Cobra Commander and Zartan.

[Darth Cantu]

These cards/bubbles are incredible. I know custom cards, and they are waaaaaaaaaaaay better than anything I can make. They definitely look spot on to the originals. I actually buy them myself for my own personal collection.

That being said, you can actually tell they are reproduction if you look carefully. First of all, they are clearly labeled as reproduction on the back of the card near the barcode.....so if you see a reproduction that is being passed off as a "legit" card on ebay or where ever, just be cognitive of that fact. If some seller has a perfect card, or near perfect card with "damage" near the barcode....its probably a good chance its a reproduction.

Also, I noticed that the card art is a little bit darker with the reproduction cards than the originals. The color contrast is a bit off. I noticed this when I put my original 1985 Shipwreck card upp to the replica that I bought for display. The replica art of Shipwreck was way darker. Still works for me though. I actually sold off all my originals and am going with Beggars Canyon custom cards. I like knowing that I never have to worry about them losing value, and I can display the figure and art without worrying about color fading or whatever.





Agree, I have some Beggars Canyon repo cards and they do say repo on them.


http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l46/darthcantu/DSC00573.jpg

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l46/darthcantu/DSC00575.jpg

[thomasseeber]

the cards in the Auction in question are not beggars canyon, and they do not say reproduction on the back. Even the card art looks more accurate. the only giveaway is the lack of the pre-cut peg hole.

[MrClean]

Some of the cards framed without the figure or bubble would make a nice display piece.

[Wyo]

This is where I am on it. How awesome is it to be able to hang repro ARAH cards on a peg or put em up in your display and not worry about it? It's just too great. Now if they'd only hurry up and get the '86 cards going! :)

Man, Im bummed because he said he probably wasnt going to do 86. He said he didnt like the figures for that year so he was just gonna concentrate on 85 and below. Im hoping he changes his mind. These cards are so amazing and I love not having all that $$$ tied up in something that could potentially lose value if something were to happen. Im just all about the memories.

[firefox91]

I can understand if Beggar's Canyon didn't want to do the entire 1986 line, but they would be smart to do a few select figures. The BAT immediately comes to mind. Also Vipers and Beach Head. Those would be great sellers.

[TheRealDubya]

* The Real Dubya casts level 42 RESURRECTION OF THREAD Spell*

Just getting into the Beggar's Canyon act in the last few months for my vintage Joes and Star Wars figures.

I LOVE these things. Scott at BC told me they have a bunch of new stuff coming in the Spring, including Kenner Indiana Jones (42 new kits in all, he says, between Star Wars, Joes and Indy.)

Wanted to see if you dudes had any more handy work to show off?

[TheRealDubya]

And just found some of firefox's pics here:

http://www.hisstank.com/forum/g-i-joe-toys-modern-general-discussion/250809-re-carding-25th-joes-vintage-kits.html

[firefox91]

I'm still hoping they do the 1986 line soon. I really want to re-card a BAT. But not only that, I love the "digital fire" design.

[UNDERCOVER]

I don't buy anything moc so its not a big concern for me. I think these are really cool and scary close to originals. I don't think it would be a big deal anyway, because it would be almost impossible to find a thirty year old moc figure with this pristine condition of a card anyway.

[Xerofall]

You can easily tell the Beggars Canyon repros from the originals, they look good, but not that good. Plus they say reproduction on the back.

I like them a lot. I too hope they get some 86 cards made. I've even put some 25th figures on these cards because I like the vintage cards. Some work, some don't. The bubbles are a bit small for the ME figures. But I can still use them in displays.

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e213/Surlon/GI%20Joe/IMG_0192c_zps8ed5e48f.jpg


Could they be sold as originals on eBay? Yes, but that's a risk you take with dishonest sellers and eBay and PayPal have protections against that now. Just bid smart.

I open figures, but I also like to feature certain figures MOC and since my favorites like Alpine and Airtight weren't released on 25th cards, this is the only way. It's personal preference.

[icarus2875]

First off,

You should always read the auction! Next, if its too good to be true (it probably is). I am not opposed to recard kits, yes for a 7 year old toys are meant to be played with, but I can't imagine an adult running around his house screaming bang bang boom with his joes.