anyone see these before ? Massive Black GI Joe Concept Art

[tycondrius]

one of the guys at Joedios posted this


thanks to Marty at Joedios

Category Archive for "GI Joe" | Massive Black (http://massiveblack.com/mbwp/?cat=39)

[citizendan1st]

wow...now thats what a gi joe line should be ....

[5h4rK]

wow...now thats what a gi joe line should be ....

This^^

[Stl_Brgd_PFC_Ramar]

I'm sold!!!! When can they start? :)

[samantha]

Those are incredible.

[DarkHorse]

Seen a good few of those before.... That HISS is epic.

[DarkHorse]

Anyone else notice that PoC Alpine used to be RoC Polar Ripcord lol?

[MonkeyBoyZ]

Looks like late ROC and POC with some Renegades added in. That multi-person tank looked sweet.

[dpstro]

Please tell me this is the new line after the movie. What a tease!

[Cobra Terrorist]

All those vehicles are friggin' awesome.

[Viper6]

I wanna work for these guys! I'd quite my lucrative defense job just to get in on what these folks are doing, daaaamn. inspiring.

[england joe]

If those get produced the joe line will be mega popular they are spectacular.

[MJjoe4life]

Those looked freakin awesome!!!

[BigErn]

It looks like we were originally going to get a new Baroness in the POC line. I wonder how far along in the process it got... Gyre?

[Superjoe74]

All of the art/ designs are neat- I especially like the HISS.

[Dreadnok Rocksteady]

FRAGGIN' AWESOME! Makes me want to snag a GAhost Hawk 2 and give it a battleship grey paint job!

[Colder Soldier]

wow...now thats what a gi joe line should be ....

^This EXACTLY.

Certainly costs of tools and materials wouldn't allow a mainstream Hasbro line to be that detailed. Though if they put in as much effort as possible, so they could at least use those exact images for the package art, the line would be EPIC.

[mightyjl]

Many of those vehicles and figures have already been released. I really wish we had gotten that Baroness though.

[TheWilloughbian]

whoa...

[Big IV]

The HISS tank is great but the walking tank is awesome.

[sbartek1974]

Awesome!!!

[KrymsynGardImmoral]

I love that tank! I've been playing with a similar custom for years, kind of a cross between the tank in Ghost in the Shell and a TF:Armada Megatron.

[dpstro]

Maybe if BBI decides to do a futuristic line this is the direction they will go. I have MH-60 Blackhawk (the night raid edition) but it's so realistic that joes just look so silly in them. Of course these vehicles only work with POC/ROC anyway.

[Repeater_24]

Wow that stuff is just plain sick. Yes please Hasbro.

[Starfighter]

Very cool concepts.

[Kolschey]

And then I look at the current vehicle offerings, and weep bitter tears...

[kneroh]

So now that we don't have these everyone wants super-futuristic GI Joe vehicles. OK, gotcha.

Here goes, "Ahh gawd damsit HASBLOW!!! Y r no tdun wit the stoopid realiztic tois!!! Gahhh!! Dunt u no I wantz da stif form da futuer!!!"

[Gyre-Viper]

So now that we don't have these everyone wants super-futuristic GI Joe vehicles. OK, gotcha.

Here goes, "Ahh gawd damsit HASBLOW!!! Y r no tdun wit the stoopid realiztic tois!!! Gahhh!! Dunt u no I wantz da stif form da futuer!!!"


kenslingercbr

[kneroh]

kenslingercbr

I'm putting an official name change request for kumslinger dnr

[jogunwarrior]

Those pictures suddenly make me regret not picking up two of the Black Dragon VTOL's at Wal-Mart last week on clearance.

That massive Joe tank looks great too. It'd be awesome to see something like that if it could open up revealing a mobile command center type playset.

[blackbarn]

Those are great. I'd love to see a more modernized concept line like this. Kids are sophisticated too, they would go for it.

[Ixz72]

The Ghost Hawk II, The RHINO, the bike and VAMP all look awesome and so the figures. The tank, the jet pack and the "walker" I really do not care for.

Of all the figures, I would love to see the Baroness figure get made.

[Dem_Yoe'z!]

Fire DePriest and put this guy in charge! Sales will be through the roof by year's end

[Troops of Doom]

Cool artwork. I'd love to get the Halo tank and Warthog!

[maradona]

In a perfect future, perhaps this is the future look of the Joe toyline...

[kneroh]

Fire DePriest and put this guy in charge! Sales will be through the roof by year's end

yea because a conceptional artist and a brand manager are the same job

[Lantern_Lad]

Those are AWESOME!!!

[CG82]

Yeah, much of those concepts were made already since 2010 to present, just that they were severely cut down as final products likely due to cost.

Makes me wonder though of the holes in the Hiss were to include extra weapons they dropped when they released it.

[Xenos]

I wish they stuck closer to the concepts wings/engines with the Ghost Hawk II.
Some of the other stuff is just a bit too Halo-ish for me. I like they way they look, but I don't really want GI Joe to just be a halo rip-off.

[Jettfire]

Those pieces are fantastic. That is absolutely incredible work.

[goosetuber]

Notice the dates on a lot of that stuff is 08' 09' . We may still see some of this. As for the sweet baroness, anybody remember the cancelled archive photos from Joecon? Wasn't there an unreleased baroness?

These are great toyline concepts. I doubt we would have complained about the black dragon being small if it had looked like that.

Next time I see a ghosthawk 2 I'm buyin it and a few cans of krylon

[CrimsonGuard101]

Ok why is this shit not on the shelf? seriously...thats what they also need in the movie...who fired this guy ? he needs ot be the CEo of Hasbro..even TFs could use some of this stuff...

[Shin Densetsu]

Ok why is this shit not on the shelf? seriously...thats what they also need in the movie...who fired this guy ? he needs ot be the CEo of Hasbro..even TFs could use some of this stuff...

They already worked on TF's, some of their designs were used for DOTM.

If you look close enough, a LOT of the GI Joe VTOL sans some of the weapons, made it to the Ghost HAWK II toy. From the small nubs beneath the sides of the canopy, hell the entire fuselage was used for the Ghost HAWK II.

Wish the Ghost HAWK II came in the colors shown for the VTOL.

[Crimson Rage]

Nice work by talented people, but a bit too ALIENS/Colonial Marines for me...

[CG82]

I wish they stuck closer to the concepts wings/engines with the Ghost Hawk II.
Some of the other stuff is just a bit too Halo-ish for me. I like they way they look, but I don't really want GI Joe to just be a halo rip-off.

Yeah, but also Command and Conquer, as much of the latest stuff has a Nod feel.

[Python_Puckman]

I would buy all that! Especially the Tachikoma-style tank in Joe scale!!!

[CrimsonGuard101]

They already worked on TF's, some of their designs were used for DOTM.

If you look close enough, a LOT of the GI Joe VTOL sans some of the weapons, made it to the Ghost HAWK II toy. From the small nubs beneath the sides of the canopy, hell the entire fuselage was used for the Ghost HAWK II.

Wish the Ghost HAWK II came in the colors shown for the VTOL.

Pushing it to say any of this was used for the Ghost hawk 2...a 3 year old could have designed that piece of crap toy we got....thats likr saying you see George Washington's face on a bagel...or was it Abraham Lincoln on a McDondald's french fry? Of the Virgin Mary on an old tortilla shell....I can see a slight homage to the Dragonhawk from the VTOL craft (its still far off tremendously)...and Beachhead looks spot on...why they just cant implement these better then they do is beyond me...and dont give me that "cost savings" bull thats like delayign the movie to make it in "3d!"...they need to go all out after retaliation or this toy line is done for...

[Brcall]

Nice work by talented people, but a bit too ALIENS/Colonial Marines for me...

Funny how different people can be, because that's what I like about it. =)

[Crimson Rage]

Originally Posted by CrimsonGuard101
Ok why is this shit not on the shelf? seriously...thats what they also need in the movie...who fired this guy ? he needs ot be the CEo of Hasbro..even TFs could use some of this stuff...

I thought you didn't like Joe being too "sci-fi"?

[alaroc]

Blown away by the awesomeness. And am pretty impressed by how much was eventually made and how closely the final products stayed true to these concept drawings. Some of these unproduced drawings are great ideas for kitbashes- like combining the ROC Hawk head, jacket, and jacket arms with the ROC RIA Duke body. That City Strike Baroness and Joe Spider Tank need to be made pronto. Ditto for the Joe Aliens-style APC. I doubt we'll ever see that monster-size Joe tank- if only we were in the 80's when those huge vehicles were actually made...

[Xenos]

Yeah, but also Command and Conquer, as much of the latest stuff has a Nod feel.

Yeah, good point. I was mainly thinking of that tank with four treads and the jeep. They are both pretty obvious Halo rip offs.

[CrimsonGuard101]

I thought you didn't like Joe being too "sci-fi"?

Your funny...no where have I ever said that Joe should'nt look like this...its got that Ghost in the shell, colonial marines, modern high tech feel too it. Just like the stuff in Robotech the standard forces used outside of the veritechs. Its awesome. I dotn see this as "sci-fi" this is future modern military hardware...not stuff you see in star wars...

[bluesparrow]

I really like that Baroness design, hope Hasbro dusts it off for a future line.

[alaroc]

And call me crazy but... isn't that "SE Motorcycle" concept the current Retaliation Firefly bike??? I'm looking at the 2 side by side on my computer and if you imagine the Firefly bike in shades of black then it's a crazy match too close for coincidence. I always thought the Firefly bike had an amazing sculpt and would benefit from a complete repaint...

[CG82]

I really like that Baroness design, hope Hasbro dusts it off for a future line.

Probably could make your own using reactive armor Scarlett and pieces of ROC Baroness and maybe the lower legs of Retaliation Zartan.

[CG82]

Some more images:

Obviously what became the Iron Grenadier from POC:

http://conceptartworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/G.I._Joe_Concept_Art_Kemp_Remillard_21a.jpg

This one was neat:


http://conceptartworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/G.I._Joe_Concept_Art_Kemp_Remillard_20a.jpg

Concept Art World » G.I. Joe Concept Art by Kemp Remillard (http://conceptartworld.com/?p=13650)

[Shin Densetsu]

Pushing it to say any of this was used for the Ghost hawk 2...a 3 year old could have designed that piece of crap toy we got....thats likr saying you see George Washington's face on a bagel...or was it Abraham Lincoln on a McDondald's french fry? Of the Virgin Mary on an old tortilla shell....I can see a slight homage to the Dragonhawk from the VTOL craft (its still far off tremendously)...and Beachhead looks spot on...why they just cant implement these better then they do is beyond me...and dont give me that "cost savings" bull thats like delayign the movie to make it in "3d!"...they need to go all out after retaliation or this toy line is done for...

Uh no, not pushing it at all, LOOK at the SIDE of the Ghost HAWK II, the canopy, and nose section. The canopy is the exact same shape, different frame up to the front. Even the bottom rails on the Ghost HAWK II are present in the VTOL concept art. The main things changed aside from the colors are different weapons, less canopy windows, straightened vertical stabilizers, and 2 engines instead of 4.

[bluesparrow]

Probably could make your own using reactive armor Scarlett and pieces of ROC Baroness and maybe the lower legs of Retaliation Zartan.

Good idea. I knew I bought all those reactive armor Scarletts for something!

[esg2145]

wow...now thats what a gi joe line should be ....



Absolutely, way better than the crap we got, I would have bought plenty of that stuff.

Also just shows how much the Retaliation crap blows.......... :(


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[tycondrius]

Some more images:

Obviously what became the Iron Grenadier from POC:

http://conceptartworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/G.I._Joe_Concept_Art_Kemp_Remillard_21a.jpg

This one was neat:


http://conceptartworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/G.I._Joe_Concept_Art_Kemp_Remillard_20a.jpg

Concept Art World » G.I. Joe Concept Art by Kemp Remillard (http://conceptartworld.com/?p=13650)holy crap I'd preffer the IG to look 100% like that and not what we got! !

[boff123]

some great concept art for sure.

[CrimsonGuard101]

Uh no, not pushing it at all, LOOK at the SIDE of the Ghost HAWK II, the canopy, and nose section. The canopy is the exact same shape, different frame up to the front. Even the bottom rails on the Ghost HAWK II are present in the VTOL concept art. The main things changed aside from the colors are different weapons, less canopy windows, straightened vertical stabilizers, and 2 engines instead of 4.

Aside from a vague resemblence in the nose section and tail..the toy is a far cry execution with too many liberties taken to gimpify it. Had it retained more asthetics like the Black Dragon VTOL...the Ghost Hawk II would have stolen this years vehicle dominance prize...but in true hasbro fashion...they take something incredible, half ass it, and turn it into a stinking pile of crap...I am sure the guy who spent all that time and effort on that drawing wonders what the hell happened to it lol...

[zx670]

Cool artwork. I'd love to get the Halo tank and Warthog!

Almost exact replicas of them, imo. Look great.

Nice work by talented people, but a bit too ALIENS/Colonial Marines for me...

More Halo, honestly, minus the personnel carrier/Rhino thing. Direct replica of the vehicle in Aliens.

[07GT500 COBRA]

"If you build it. They will come."

You = Hasbro
They = Us

[Nemesis*Prime]

Some nice designs here. The small COBRA VTOL would have been a nice vehicle to see produced. Also that HISS concept would have made for a great anti-aircraft tank.

[Shin Densetsu]

Aside from a vague resemblence in the nose section and tail..the toy is a far cry execution with too many liberties taken to gimpify it. Had it retained more asthetics like the Black Dragon VTOL...the Ghost Hawk II would have stolen this years vehicle dominance prize...but in true hasbro fashion...they take something incredible, half ass it, and turn it into a stinking pile of crap...I am sure the guy who spent all that time and effort on that drawing wonders what the hell happened to it lol...

You're not looking closely enough. A lot of parts like the wings and stabilizers and weapons were changed but the fuselage and cockpit are very close.

[CrimsonGuard101]

You're not looking closely enough. A lot of parts like the wings and stabilizers and weapons were changed but the fuselage and cockpit are very close.

If i look close enough I see a skystriker for gods sake...its like looking at clouds I see Mickey Mouse you see Starawberry short cake...whats the point? Its been made already in a terrible rendition of the concept art and that it wasnt even remotely realized. Had it held more to the concept we wouldn't be having this argument would we? We would be out buying at least 5 of them for our collections vs. the ones out there right now collecting dust for the next 3 years...

How badly they used the concept art on the GH2 makes me wonder how much of a wreck they will make the rest of these concept vehicles into..if they even revisit any of them...

[devilfish60]

IDK most of it is cool...some of it seems like HALO

[TheRealDubya]

Oh Heavy Trooper... you toy nerd bait you.

[Deftones1982]

Great concepts. To bad they didn't made them. Really like a lot of the vehicles.

[CG82]

Some of the designs may of been transplanted over to Star Wars:

http://massiveblack.com/mbwp/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/cobraMiniVTOL_POST-900x290.jpg

http://i49.tinypic.com/24njmt1.jpg

[Dragasses]

do we know these guys(gals) didn't do work for microsoft, i.e. halo? seems like a freelance conceptual design lab to me.

[Shin Densetsu]

If i look close enough I see a skystriker for gods sake...its like looking at clouds I see Mickey Mouse you see Starawberry short cake...whats the point? Its been made already in a terrible rendition of the concept art and that it wasnt even remotely realized. Had it held more to the concept we wouldn't be having this argument would we? We would be out buying at least 5 of them for our collections vs. the ones out there right now collecting dust for the next 3 years...

How badly they used the concept art on the GH2 makes me wonder how much of a wreck they will make the rest of these concept vehicles into..if they even revisit any of them...

Point is nearly the entire fuselage is the same, not some "vague" resemblance. If you're seeing Strawberry Shortcake and a Sky Striker I have no idea what in the hell you're looking at.

What probably happened is that the Retaliation designers and Hasbro probably opted to make a jet transport derived from the Massive Black GI Joe VTOL, which explains why the overall concept is similar but only the fuselage is the same.

[Ford]

Yeah, nice stuff. But we did get most of it already. The only difference is the colors, and you can fix that with some paint. Hasbro makes "toys", not "models".

If you can't see the connection between those designs and what was made, then you're just dense. Some of it looks like it was dropped for good reason. That glider just looks silly. Same for the crab-tank. Joe fans would have crucified Hasbro if they made that. Especially if it was in a ROC box. And the jeep thing is straight out of Halo.

Other than the Baroness, we got all the figures. Storm Shadow was reworked some, and Desert Duke became Dusty.

[atomsmasher]

Main I like the look of Baroness and the Soldier. To bad we didn't get them.

[Xenos]

Some of the designs may of been transplanted over to Star Wars:

http://massiveblack.com/mbwp/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/cobraMiniVTOL_POST-900x290.jpg

http://i49.tinypic.com/24njmt1.jpg

This one reminds me a lot of the Spacetrooper (http://www.rebelscum.com/tvcsl31spacetrooper.asp):

http://conceptartworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/G.I._Joe_Concept_Art_Kemp_Remillard_21a.jpg

[CrimsonGuard101]

Point is nearly the entire fuselage is the same, not some "vague" resemblance. If you're seeing Strawberry Shortcake and a Sky Striker I have no idea what in the hell you're looking at.

What probably happened is that the Retaliation designers and Hasbro probably opted to make a jet transport derived from the Massive Black GI Joe VTOL, which explains why the overall concept is similar but only the fuselage is the same.

No the point is they did a horrible job translating this image into the toy. That is the only point worthy of debate.

[blackrazor1]

Nice concepts. I see a lot of Metal Gear, Ghost in the Shell, Halo, Gatchaman. That concept HISS Tank looks like Keyop's tank from Gatchaman on steroids. I almost expect it to take off.

Anyone else notice that PoC Alpine used to be RoC Polar Ripcord lol?

And POC Arctic Duke.

[heltskelt]

The saddest part it's that Hasbro will never release these vehicles as we see them here. We've seen what the Ghosthawk II looks like after a round of production and cost analysis. It's just impossible for Hasbro to make detailed molds like these w/o raising the retail price.
I still want them to try to produce that APC.

[CrimsonGuard101]

The saddest part it's that Hasbro will never release these vehicles as we see them here. We've seen what the Ghosthawk II looks like after a round of production and cost analysis. It's just impossible for Hasbro to make detailed molds like these w/o raising the retail price.
I still want them to try to produce that APC.

They did raise the retail price lol and gave us less...so its no impossible...they just wont do it becuase it will sell better then MU Transformers and Star Wars...they dont wanna let that cat outta the bag till they milk those others lines to death...

[Gatchaman]

Nice art work but a bit too futuristic looking for me. If they were to go in that direction they should have Cobra use the more futuristic designs and have GI Joe more traditional.

Just my opinion of course.

[Bub]

I want that POC Iceberg figure...I mean arctic Ripcord.

[Colder Soldier]

Hasbro...

Hasbro...

...I NEED that Spider Tank.

[nilcam]

Amazing work, especially that Baroness and HISS.

[CG82]

The Hiss looks to be sporting the quad guns of the clone troopers.

[Shin Densetsu]

The saddest part it's that Hasbro will never release these vehicles as we see them here. We've seen what the Ghosthawk II looks like after a round of production and cost analysis. It's just impossible for Hasbro to make detailed molds like these w/o raising the retail price.
I still want them to try to produce that APC.

I want that tank they showed. That is awesome.

[CG82]

http://massiveblack.com/mbwp/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/snakestimber03_POST-900x488.jpg

http://www.hisstank.com/gi-joe-news/attach/1/Wheel-Blaster-Bike-w-Firefly-Retaliation_1328308638.jpg

http://massiveblack.com/mbwp/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/hasbrogijoetrucksaverchanges-900x595.jpg


http://www.hisstank.com/gi-joe-news/attach/1/GI-JOE-Delta-Vehicle-Ninja-Combat-Cruiser-98489-Retaliation_1328308565.jpg

http://massiveblack.com/mbwp/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/JOE_vtol01_POST-900x598.jpg

http://www.hisstank.com/gi-joe-news/attach/1/Ghost-Hawk-II-Retaliation_1328308565.jpg

http://massiveblack.com/mbwp/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/stormshadow001-598x700.jpg

http://www.yojoe.com/action/11/agu/stormshadow40.jpg

[Pimp Daddy Darklon]

A few modification from the Captain America Strike Fire Transport and voila!

http://graphicpolicy.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/captain-america-strikefire-transport.jpg

http://www.hisstank.com/gi-joe-news/attach/4/2/0/1/1/Massive-Black-GI-Joe-APC-02_1338577914.jpg

[c_money_collins]

Thanks for the comparison shots CG. I thinks I need a Firefly bike now.

That Baroness is really cool. I dig the spider tank thing.

That's two days in a row we've seen some concept art for stuff never realized. Over at Generalsjoes.com, Justin posted a super cool transport thing from 1985. Just goes to show, there is a lot of cool stuff that doesn't get made.

[IIIzoeIII]

man...hasbro should have stuck to the subject matter a little bit closer on some of these..way to ruin a good thing guys :)
admittedly some of these got blown just by the sculptors and not the designs like that SS for instance if he had been sculpted all dynamic like that almost marvel universe-esque that figure would have looked really nice.instead he looked blocky and his legs looked skinny
beach head should have looked EXACTLY like that instead of the one we got...baroness and that armored trooper look fantastic where did they gooo?

[CG82]

Yeah, they appear to have ported these designs over to Captain American/Iron Man..

http://massiveblack.com/mbwp/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/JOE_Jeep_POST2-900x595.jpg

http://massiveblack.com/mbwp/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/JOE_Jeep_POST-900x596.jpg

http://i45.tinypic.com/ibgux2.jpg

These designs appears to have been used and cannibalized more than once:


http://massiveblack.com/mbwp/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/cobraMiniVTOL_POST-900x290.jpg

http://conceptartworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/G.I._Joe_Concept_Art_Kemp_Remillard_20a.jpg

http://www.theterrordrome.com/wp-content/gallery/gijoe-30th-anniversary-black-dragon-vtol-with-air-trooper/gijoe-30th-anniversary-black-dragon-vtol-11.jpg

http://i49.tinypic.com/24njmt1.jpg

http://i859.photobucket.com/albums/ab156/frenxy77/IMG_20120318_225034.jpg

[Firefly9145]

I will kill for that baroness

[Midnightinferno]

Not sure when I will get to it as I have a lot of customs lined up but I need to get some Ghost Hawks to make that VTOL soon. It wont be much work to build new wings and add tech to it.

[A.V.A.C.]

Insanely cool, i guess it's time to start building a couple of those. :D

[Psycho Joe Guy]

http://massiveblack.com/mbwp/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/hasbrogijoetrucksaverchanges-900x595.jpg


http://www.hisstank.com/gi-joe-news/attach/1/GI-JOE-Delta-Vehicle-Ninja-Combat-Cruiser-98489-Retaliation_1328308565.jpg

It looks like you weren't a fan of Renegades. If you don't recognize the Coyote using its camouflage disguising itself as a news van, it's no wonder you also missed that:

http://massiveblack.com/mbwp/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/JOE_Jeep_POST2-900x595.jpg

...is a jeep from Renegades as well.

[CG82]

Obviously the same concept artist(s) worked on renegades or those deigns were carried over to the series and some made it to plastic.

http://i49.tinypic.com/2znrbwk.jpg

http://www.theterrordrome.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/poc-black-hiss-revision-prototype.png

http://massiveblack.com/mbwp/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/COBRA_osprey03_POST-900x452.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/v6izno.jpg

http://i47.tinypic.com/25imafq.jpg

http://i45.tinypic.com/zsqnhk.jpg

http://i45.tinypic.com/2mfhp1c.jpg

The coyote's chassis is more based on this one APC with the front cab and cargo van trailer attached making it more similar to the bottom one.

http://massiveblack.com/mbwp/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/JOE_APC_POST-900x497.jpg
http://massiveblack.com/mbwp/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/hasbrogijoetrucksaverchanges-900x595.jpg

Hasbro Comic Con G.I. Joe Panel Images from SDCC 2010 - Page 3 - GI Joe News (http://www.hisstank.com/gi-joe-news/gi-joe-renegades-19/hasbro-comic-con-gi-joe-panel-images-from-sdcc-2010-9732/page3.html)

But the GI JOE Rhino isnt far off from the unused APC either..

http://www.generalsjoes.com/images/reviews/2005/vehicles/rhino-6.jpg

[niknak96]

Well that was badass!

[red4]

http://massiveblack.com/mbwp/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/JOE_Jeep_POST2-900x595.jpg

...is a jeep from Renegades as well.

Maybe the impetus was to produce some kind of toy to represent the jeep from Renegades, but I can confirm, as a fan of Halo for 10+ years, that it follows almost every design element from Halo's Warthog, but changed just barely enough to avoid copyright issues.

[CG82]

Yeah, they wouldve also ran into trouble with McFarlane..

http://massiveblack.com/mbwp/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/JOE_Jeep_POST2-900x595.jpg
http://www.touristinformationcentres.net/webshop/images/webshop/300/product/large/Halo-Reach-Warthog-Vehicle-Deluxe-Box-Set1.jpg

[red4]

Yeah, they wouldve also ran into trouble with McFarlane..

http://massiveblack.com/mbwp/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/JOE_Jeep_POST2-900x595.jpg
http://www.touristinformationcentres.net/webshop/images/webshop/300/product/large/Halo-Reach-Warthog-Vehicle-Deluxe-Box-Set1.jpg

No. McFarlane doesn't own that design. It's from Halo, owned by Microsoft.

[CG82]

He may not own the design, but he manufactures the toy, sure maybe he can also sue, fuck knows ..lol.

[Psycho Joe Guy]

Maybe the impetus was to produce some kind of toy to represent the jeep from Renegades, but I can confirm, as a fan of Halo for 10+ years, that it follows almost every design element from Halo's Warthog, but changed just barely enough to avoid copyright issues.

I've always wondered how Halo avoided Hasbro claiming that it has always borrowed very heavily from GI Joe's aesthetic. Even James Cameron admitted that the Aliens Colonial Military was heavily based on GI Joe, so that stretched APC is just taking the design full circle. It's also why the Aliens and Predator homages Hasbro "hid" in the POC/30th line fit so seamlessly.

[CrimsonGuard101]

It looks like you weren't a fan of Renegades. If you don't recognize the Coyote using its camouflage disguising itself as a news van, it's no wonder you also missed that:

http://massiveblack.com/mbwp/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/JOE_Jeep_POST2-900x595.jpg

...is a jeep from Renegades as well.

These elements are not strictly Renegades. The designes by the artist of Renegades also did Army of 2 and stuff similar in art (which rivaled what they did in Regenades asthetically). The issue wasn't the vehicles...albeit they only used the Coyote thing for most of the show..it was the story and the characters...which were severally lacking...not even Michael Bay could have spiced that stuff up lol...

[red4]

I've always wondered how Halo avoided Hasbro claiming that it has always borrowed very heavily from GI Joe's aesthetic. Even James Cameron admitted that the Aliens Colonial Military was heavily based on GI Joe, so that stretched APC is just taking the design full circle. It's also why the Aliens and Predator homages Hasbro "hid" in the POC/30th line fit so seamlessly.

I've never heard about James Cameron admitting GI Joe was an influence. But I know Starship Troopers (the original novel) was a huge influence on Aliens, to the point that Cameron made the actors portraying Marines read it. Then, Halo's design team practically lifted all of its human military designs from Aliens and Starship Troopers (the movie).

Here's a supplementary link that demonstrates all the parallels. Characters and story elements were lifted too: http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_references_to_Aliens_in_Halo
The voice actor for Sergeant Johnson was even instructed to mimic Apone's voice. There's one scene from Aliens where Apone's voice is indistinguishable from Sergeant Johnson.

One good example of a "full circle" is that Jungle Duke is based on Solid Snake, who is based on Snake Plissken from Escape from New York and Kyle Reese from Terminator.

[jestermon]

The Cobra heavy trooper is what the nano vipers should hae been.

[Psycho Joe Guy]

These elements are not strictly Renegades. The designes by the artist of Renegades also did Army of 2 and stuff similar in art (which rivaled what they did in Regenades asthetically).

I was just pointing out that concept art had an existing Joe counterpart. The Jeeps changed in appearance slightly depending on the episode and the "tactical" role they would play in it before always being blown up, run off the road, or driven into a body of water, just like the police cars in the Dukes of Hazzard, their set-piece role ancestors.

The issue wasn't the vehicles...albeit they only used the Coyote thing for most of the show..it was the story and the characters...which were severally lacking...not even Michael Bay could have spiced that stuff up lol...

I'm not talking about any perceived issues with the actual story of Renegades. It was such an A-team ripoff, Stephen J Cannell should have been given a production credit. I still like it much more than many of the Sunbow episodes.

[Psycho Joe Guy]

I've never heard about James Cameron admitting GI Joe was an influence.

It's in one of the interviews in the special features on Terminator 2.

[red4]

It's in one of the interviews in the special features on Terminator 2.

Wait, what? He mentioned Aliens while being interviewed for Terminator 2?

[CG82]

None of the designs in Aliens looked taken from anything Hasbro had out in 1985/86. Cameron heavily borrowed from the Vietnam War and Starship Troopers(the book). He basically had his art department cannibalize whatever military models which the Apache was among them.

[CobraSnakeEyes]

I want!

[Psycho Joe Guy]

Wait, what? He mentioned Aliens while being interviewed for Terminator 2?

Yep. It's in a nearly hour long interview featuring him and Arny doing separate talking head pieces about their respective careers and how they led up to T2. The longest version is on the VHS special edition T2, but the new "Skynet Edition" blu-ray has most of it, much more than previous DVD releases, which have the same interview but cut down to just a few-minute snippets.

[CG82]

This one reminds me a lot of the Spacetrooper (http://www.rebelscum.com/tvcsl31spacetrooper.asp):

http://conceptartworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/G.I._Joe_Concept_Art_Kemp_Remillard_21a.jpg

I am also reminded of Whiplash:

http://i46.tinypic.com/2ytty76.jpg

http://i47.tinypic.com/208fiw2.jpg

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llrya176Mj1qclv8j.jpg

[Psycho Joe Guy]

The Massive Black Guys might be Joe fans. :)

Terrordrome anyone?

http://massiveblack.com/mbwp/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Imperialbalk_HQ_FINAL-copy.jpg


Crimson Guardsman?

http://massiveblack.com/mbwp/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Imperialbalk_card_FINAL-copy.jpg

[red4]

The Massive Black Guys might be Joe fans. :)

Terrordrome anyone?

http://massiveblack.com/mbwp/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Imperialbalk_HQ_FINAL-copy.jpg


Crimson Guardsman?

http://massiveblack.com/mbwp/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Imperialbalk_card_FINAL-copy.jpg

You missed the captions on those images. They were done for Hasbro.

[Psycho Joe Guy]

You missed the captions on those images. They were done for Hasbro.

...not the last ones I linked. They're from some video game.

[AirborneRigger]

Some of this looks like G. I. Joe/HALO hybrids and G. I. Joe/Star Wars hybrids. Hell, the G. I. Joe Trooper from the retaliation line is an obvious HALO hybrid and I wouldn't be surprised if we find out that Massive Black designed it.

[GeneralxRon]

thats a whole lot of action with those concepts

[red4]

...not the last ones I linked. They're from some video game.

The 2 images you suggested were influenced by the Terrordrome and Crimson Guard have the caption: "Risk Legacy Hasbro 2012"

[KingBiohazerd]

Wow I would buy almost all of that. Really cool concept art wish hasbro would make it.

[red4]

Wow I would buy almost all of that. Really cool concept art wish hasbro would make it.

They would, and probably already have the molds ready, but we'll never see them because Hasbro makes 123,973,239,424 x 0 = Sense

[Psycho Joe Guy]

The 2 images you suggested were influenced by the Terrordrome and Crimson Guard have the caption: "Risk Legacy Hasbro 2012"

I looked it up. Risk Legacy is a board game that Hasbro makes, not anything directly tied to GI Joe. The Crimson/Imperial Guard and Terrordrome nods came from Massive Black themselves.

[Laststand237]

AAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!! These are such a tease

[red4]

I looked it up. Risk Legacy is a board game that Hasbro makes, not anything directly tied to GI Joe. The Crimson/Imperial Guard and Terrordrome nods came from Massive Black themselves.

Are you positive Hasbro didn't ask them to lean in that direction?

[Mercenary696]

Kemp Remillard is awesome! I love his vehicle designs. I got to see a lot of those guys at Massive Black back in Texas in March of 09 when they were doing a 4 day Concept Art workshop. Dave Dorman was there too. It was great! They do a lot of great work.

[Cdt Weasel]

Concept art is always so cool. Shame how much detail is lost in the translation to a toy. Bigger shame is that adults dont tend to have the imagination a child does. To have the ability to turn a less detailed toy into the the concept art in their minds eye.

[Shin Densetsu]

That Storm Shadow looks way better than the way the figure turned out. Shame the arm spikes, hood, and sight weren't sculpted. The armor looks better too.

[ucsf]

I'm impressed at the highest level.

[jmlawn]

Hasbro loves to show incredible concept art to get you into the line, and then when it hits, it's cut down to basic & half canceled toys.

[AMBER-ALERT]

It's like here's some cool shit but we're more like let's just put out another water moccasin and AWE Striker because we're cheap and uninspired executive tools .

[cobracobra]

These are really cool.

[Kolschey]

You look at the potential that so many vehicles have, and then they die the death of a thousand cuts.

They cut the size- A vehicle that should be Echo class gets squeezed down to Delta, or some intermediate size just above alpha class. The result being figures that stick out of the cockpit, turret or driver seats like basketball players in a Smartcar.

They cut the detail. This speaks for itself. The Ghost Hawk 2 looks like an unfinished prototype, as if they had to rush this to production without being allowed to finish making the cockpit a two-seater, or at least giving sculptural reasoning for all of the dead space in there.

They release it in bizzarre color schemes. The POC Hiss in Cockroach Brown? The TRU Water Moccasin in Jolly ranger green and red camo? The Retailiation Hiss is Royal Blue. The Ghost Hawk 2 is lime green, with bright orange ordnance. Is there somehow a shortage of Black or Olive Drab plastic at the the factory?

They stack on lousy accessories. The Ferret becomes the "Snake Trax" with an oversize catcher claw, as if it were some sort of Jurassic Park themed repaint. The new Water Moccasin repaint now has a chunky missile launcher on the side.

It's almost as if some of these vehicles are only able to be completed three quarters of the way into preliminary sculpting and design before being seized by a bean counter who then yanks various parts off and out of the model, hot-glues a spring loaded dart launcher onto the side, and slathers it with the closest paint they can find on sale that month...

[Raw Dog]

The jeep is my favorite. It looks as though a lot of it was eventually released. It would be cool if they made that tank though.

[CG82]

I'd like to see the Cobra jet and truck from Renegades.

http://i46.tinypic.com/10xrqqd.jpg

http://i45.tinypic.com/29c5tfo.jpg

[CG82]

BTW here is some more art froma Massive Black artist:

Cobra Soldier
http://i45.tinypic.com/209mz3a.jpg

GI JOE Big Rig:

http://i50.tinypic.com/16apeeu.jpg

fresh off the boat!: old massiveblack work - GI JOE (http://pencil-dick.blogspot.com/2012/05/old-massiveblack-work.html)

[Psycho Joe Guy]

It's like here's some cool shit but we're more like let's just put out another water moccasin and AWE Striker because we're cheap and uninspired executive tools.

...but the Moccasin now comes the added Butt-Jammer 9000 dildo cannon! That makes it completely different.

They cut the detail. This speaks for itself. The Ghost Hawk 2 looks like an unfinished prototype, as if they had to rush this to production without being allowed to finish making the cockpit a two-seater, or at least giving sculptural reasoning for all of the dead space in there.

Hasbro vehicles of late have all had huge amounts of wasted space: the Avengers Quinjet, all the Captain America and Iron Man vehicles, etc. I guess Hasbro wants kids to imagine the vehicles actually holding figures other than the driver.

They release it in bizzarre color schemes. The POC Hiss in Cockroach Brown?

I love the brown Hiss, and that one at least makes sense; it's a drab finish that is much more likely for a real military vehicle.

The TRU Water Moccasin in Jolly ranger green and red camo?

From the air or moving in water, it has a pretty effective camo pattern. Look at Russian SU-35 paint schemes; they also look gaudy until you see them over terrain.

Is there somehow a shortage of Black or Olive Drab plastic at the the factory?

Hasbro, pressured by who knows (probably some "parents" group who don't have kids anyway), has publicly declared GI Joe to NOT be a military toy line, (really?) so they have to take every opportunity to show that the molded automatic weapons and military hardware for the line are 'just kidding.'

They stack on lousy accessories. The Ferret becomes the "Snake Trax" with an oversize catcher claw, as if it were some sort of Jurassic Park themed repaint. The new Water Moccasin repaint now has a chunky missile launcher on the side.

Giant claws and dildo launchers are evidently OK. Parent focus groups would rather have their children playing with pseudo-S&M hardware than have a quasi-realistic toy that might be imagined to kill people.

[CrimsonGuard101]

I think they got Hasbro And SK Omega mixed up on the concept art for these..hopefuly well hear form SK Omega since hasbro is basically done with Gi Joe for the indefinite future....

[darthschroeder]

I really really want that Aliens style APC. Fuggin sweeeeet!

[CG82]

The 2008 concept art for the Rise of Cobra game looked good too:

http://generalsjoes.com/wp-content/gallery/cghub-concept-art-roc-game/04_Red_Ninja.jpg

http://generalsjoes.com/wp-content/gallery/cghub-concept-art-roc-game/05_Night_Creeper.jpg

http://generalsjoes.com/wp-content/gallery/cghub-concept-art-roc-game/07_MARS_Trooper.jpg

Electronic Arts | Generals Joes - A blog about the importance (or unimportance) of little plastic men (http://generalsjoes.com/tag/electronic-arts/)

[Hawk1171]

Love all of them.

[Adamantite]

I'm kind of bummed out that some of the best things from POC weren't actually Hasbro in-house designs but the product from some third party designer. Guess I give Hasbro too much credit.

[red4]

I'm kind of bummed out that some of the best things from POC weren't actually Hasbro in-house designs but the product from some third party designer. Guess I give Hasbro too much credit.

I never thought Hasbro designed anything. Despite all the videos and official material stating otherwise, I am convinced Takara does more than 98% of the design work for Transformers. And by "design", I mean conceptual and technical.

[Ash Talon]

I'm not too big a fan of some of this stuff. A lot of it is just too similar to stuff from other sources (movies,games, etc).

The RHINO was already shamelessly, inspired by the Aliens APC (still love it though), but this APC is way too close to the Aliens APC.

I have similar problems with a bunch of the other. Straight-up rip-offs of Halo Hornet and Scorpion tanks. And the spider tank looks look similar to Ghost In the Shell.

I like some of the 1-man vehicle ideas, though. Like the new Fang and jetpack.

And I actually like the jeep. While in a very basic sense, it looks like Halo's Warthog, I think it's also very reminiscent of the Joe Badger. I like the really oversized wheels and think it would have made a cool new Bravo-class vehicle.

And there's so much wrong with the Ghost Hawk II, it's not even funny. Hasbro should be embarrassed by it. I hope someone at JoeCon rips into them for it.

[CG82]

The jeep I think was done though, back in their Sigma 6 line:

http://www.yojoe.com/sigma6/missionscale/toys/2006/nightopsvamp/left.jpg

[ickzer1]

I would buy damn near all of this if the final product looked like that.

[Ash Talon]

The vehicles in the S6 line were great. I'd like them to upscale them for the 4" line. Especially, the Firebat.

[DARKWIND]

I want the tank!!!!!!

[ejrichmond]

LOL the six wheeler is a ripoff of the marine vehicle in Aliens 2 and the 4x4 is a ripoff of the warthog in that video game ( what is it called) HALO!

as for that joe tank it is a ripoff of one featured in a game called War Commander.

Come on guys, no originality since the '80's?

[In Like Flint]

Meh- I'll be in the minority probably... But These are too far away from the ARAH style for me. Too bland. Where's a Tan VAMP? Give me a nice green and tan APC.

[Star Saber]

Wow, these designs are awesome! Hopefully they'll see the light of day.

[DarkHorse]

The vehicles in the S6 line were great. I'd like them to upscale them for the 4" line. Especially, the Firebat.

I'd love to see the road Razor upscaled. So many cool vehicles. AS for the Firebat, have you seen this -

Red Shadows - Boley Defender jet (http://theredshadows.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=revs&action=display&thread=130)

[dustin baetz]

The character designs certainly translated better than the vehicle designs. Mattel's Avatar vehicles are the best modern Joe vehicles in my opinion. If James Cameron had dropped off sketches of the helicopter, the tracked vehicle and the mecha at Hasbro, who knows what colors they would have been cast out in, or which small parts would have been incorporated as embossed details on other parts. I picture the Avatar people telling Mattel or the Star Wars people telling Hasbro, "I know the supplier has a surplus of that shade of plastic right now, but it's not close enough to the control art/style guide/model sheet/whatever," whereas with GI Joe there's no reason not to say, "That shade will do perfectly fine." The need to balance cost with aesthetics is less of an issue with the figures.

I could be wrong about them choosing the cheapest colors though. For all I know the eggplant color of the Cobra Fury was a carefully considered artistic decision.