Red Ninja variant

[Dem_Yoe'z!]

Sorry if this is old news, but i just discovered a variant. Im on a Joe run, and scored 2 Red Ninjas. I noticed that they are different from one another. One has glossy black paint on his neck, the borders of his shirt, and on his feet. On the second, those paint apps are the same flat reddish brown as the knee pads. It is a pretty significant difference when you look at the figures side by side. I'll post Picts when I get home tonight.

EDIT: one of them came from a case with the blue CC, one with the black CC. Unfortunately, I opened them up before realizing there was a variant, so I'm unsure which came with what case. The dates on the cards are: 20691 and 20581.

EDIT: PHOTOS PAGE 4

[Stl_Brgd_PFC_Ramar]

Interesting....I got 3 RedNinjas, I'll have to take a look at them when I get home. I'm really curious on this one...

[mister-x]

o'snap..... everybody RUN!!!

[Sciencefriction]

Can you take pictures so I can see the difference? I've become quite the wave 1 completist and it'll help me search better. Thanks.

[Night_Force_GI_EDDO]

I'd like to see some comparison pics.

....what is it you all say? "pics or it didn't happen," right?

[Dunedain]

I got 3 red ninjas, 2 opened from target and one still in package, but i dont remember from where. However i dont notice the difference between any of them that you mentioned. I dont know if this means i happened to get all 3 of 1 type. This is possible though because i have 3 gi joe troopers and all 3 are the tan variant, i havnt seen any blues in the wild.

[Dunedain]

Yeah but pics would help btw

[Xenos]

I got one Red Ninja from a case that had a blue Joe Trooper, and one from a case that had a tan Trooper. I'll have to check when I get home to see if there are any differences between my two ninjas.

[Dem_Yoe'z!]

I'll post Picts when I get home, unless someone wants to pm me and I'll try sending a pict/text with my cellphone. I just found a third RN at TRU. He was with the blue CC/trooper, and he has the glossy paint. The card is 20581. The paint is very glossy so maybe that is why they changed it, it seems off.

[Dropkick]

Hmmmm, now I have my excuse to go home from work that I'm been trying to think of.

[Colder Soldier]

I'm thinking this "maroon collar variant" would have to be in the variant case (blue CC, blue cape).

I've bought all 3 Red Ninjas I've seen and all were from blk CC cases.

I just found a third RN at TRU. He was with the blue CC/trooper, and he has the glossy paint. The card is 20581. The paint is very glossy so maybe that is why they changed it, it seems off.

Okay. Nevermind then.

[CrimsonGuard101]

I'll post Picts when I get home, unless someone wants to pm me and I'll try sending a pict/text with my cellphone. I just found a third RN at TRU. He was with the blue CC/trooper, and he has the glossy paint. The card is 20581. The paint is very glossy so maybe that is why they changed it, it seems off.

factory error most likley more then an intended variant. it even says on the card that colors and parts may vary lol..keep that information for future reference yo!

[X-factorz]

Good notice!

I just checked mine and the one I got from TRU today is glossy as stated and it was in the case with the blue CC and blue joe trooper. The 5 other ninjas I have from Target are dull and came with the black CC and beige joe trooper.

[Krevix]

Oh i see it on mine. They glossy black paint app comes from the blue cobra commander case and the flat black paint app is from the black cobra commander case.

[The Commander]

Checked mine and have two matte red ninjas and one glossy

[Dealer Destro]

I honestly think it is just shitty paint apps. Mine have it too. May be time for some solid paint apps. ;)

[Iron Guru]

Yes it seems to be a variant. A couple of days ago someone posted some pics in another post of his Red Ninjas that had the black paint instead of the copper. I think he said it was from the case with the black CC, but I could be wrong.

[mister-x]

The dates on the cards are: 20691 and 20581.

picked up both of these today...
im thinking sh!tty paint ap variant?

[musashi3000gt]

Damn! I have yet to find a single red ninja!

[Indiana Joe]

The red ninja from the case with blue cc and blue joe trooper has the copper color arm and leg guards. The case with black cc and tan joe trooper has the red ninja with black leg and arm guards.
Btw the blue case is the early case
the tan/blace case is later.

[Dragasses]

this was discussed in another thread a week or so ago, but I can't find it now. multiple variants have shown up at this point so there are definitely two versions. I own neither.

bummer.

[poddie]

Pictures would be great.... I don't see any differences on my three, but sometimes I'm just not as picky as some about what is a variant...

[ROC Solid Snake]

Finally scored a couple yesterday. I'm leaning towards no variant; inconsistent paint scheme.

[Indiana Joe]

Finally scored a couple yesterday. I'm leaning towards no variant; inconsistent paint scheme.

No.
Its as much a variant as the blue/black cc and blue/tan trooper.
I have 3 with the copper colored arm and leg guards and all 3 came from the case withe the blue cc and trooper.
The black cc, tan trooper and ninja with black on arm and legs come in the same case

[qwe]

you know what would be awesome.

A PICTURE!

[Indiana Joe]

In my cornfield on page 8 post #72
i have pics of the two ninja in question.
Im on my phone at work so i cant post them here.
If you could for others that would be cool.

[qwe]

Sooo...
The only difference is that they used gloss paint instead of matt?
Am I getting this?

[Firefly9145]

Sooo...
The only difference is that they used gloss paint instead of matt?
Am I getting this?

No one has black color and the other has copper color

[qwe]

No one has black color and the other has copper color

On the knee and arm bands?

[Revenge_Creature]

I found a full case @ a Kmart and it was the 'early' case, with Blue CC/Joe Trooper. This is the first Red Ninja I've seen, so I got him. I've seen Black/Tan assortments at Target, but seems like Wal Mart and Target here got the 'variant' cases first. I wonder if these 'variants' (aka running color change) will end up like the 25th 'Yellow' Stalker and 'Black Wolf' SE...although, I got a Black Wolf SE on the cheap recently, whilst the Stalker is still pretty pricey..

[qwe]

I'll be honest I would love to see a comparison with someone taking the two versions next to each other.

Otherwise I feel like I'm staring at anything from any camera that can make anything look like anything...

Revenge Creature:
It's all about demand. I doubt that people will give two craps about any of running changes. A figure is only worth what someone will actually pay for it.

[Colder Soldier]

This thread has gone on long enough with no pics.

[AlleyViperEXE]

This thread has gone on long enough with no pics.

Indeed.

Guess it doesn't matter to me, though. Only found one Red Ninja anyway, and it was from the Black CC/Tan Trooper case.

[Dem_Yoe'z!]

OK here's the first picture,the glossy one is on the left. The paint below the sash seems to be the same in both:

http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff489/Samus-Aurael/RN2.jpg

This second photo shows the feet also have this variant (just the little part by his toes)

http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff489/Samus-Aurael/RN1.jpg

I looked at my figure that I had MOC when I got home and it is the flat black variet. That figure came with the black CC/tan trooper, so my guess is that this is a running change

[Revenge_Creature]

Mobile Photobucket (http://m307.photobucket.com/albumview/albums/Revenge_Creature/IMG_20120601_082402.jpg.html?o=0). Well here's a pic of the Red Ninja that is cased with the Blue CC/Joe Trooper..taken with bad cell phone camera...can't figure out how to do mobile photo uploads, that's what's up wif the link..don't know if this helps..
...and while I was fartin around tryong to upload a lame pic, someone posted real pics..well that's a good thang :)

[pghoff]

I see the glossy part, but I honestly can't tell any difference in the rest. It looks more like inconsistent amount of paint over red plastic.

[Dem_Yoe'z!]

I see the glossy part, but I honestly can't tell any difference in the rest. It looks more like inconsistent amount of paint over red plastic.

Sorry if it isn't evident in the pictures, but the gloss paint is applied evenly over the chest and on the feet, but only in those 2 specific areas. The other paint applications are the same. The gloss one is very obvious in person, and the difference is pretty distinct.

[qwe]

Thanks a bunch for pics!!!!


I hate quoting myself.....

Sooo...
The only difference is that they used gloss paint instead of matt?
Am I getting this?

[Xenos]

I got one Red Ninja from a case that had a blue Joe Trooper, and one from a case that had a tan Trooper. I'll have to check when I get home to see if there are any differences between my two ninjas.

I checked last night, and both of mine were flat black. Not sure if that tells anyone anything though.

[qwe]

I would consider that to be a factory paint version, but a very slight one, it looks more like someone pressed the wrong button at the factory....

But to each his own, and its not like we all don't need things to hunt!


I would be more impressed if there was a greater range in tonality like this picture from my collection:

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j297/conradmerz/DSCN5702.jpg

For me there has to be a bigger contrast...

[kingphilbert]

Someone else brought this up in another thread as well. Both of mine have brownish/red gauntlets and pads. They came from blue caped trooper/blue commander cases. I didn't know this until after I had passed them up at Target to have seen if they had all black. Doesn't matter to me.

[Sciencefriction]

My two Red Ninjas came from tan trooper/black CC cases and they aren't glossy.

[Python_Puckman]

I would consider that to be a factory paint version, but a very slight one, it looks more like someone pressed the wrong button at the factory....

But to each his own, and its not like we all don't need things to hunt!


I would be more impressed if there was a greater range in tonality like this picture from my collection:

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j297/conradmerz/DSCN5702.jpg

For me there has to be a bigger contrast...

Agreed. I'd call this a running change. If some started appearing with white trim or something, I might consider that a variant. Granted, I haven't seen both in person to really tell the difference... they both look pretty much the same on my unspectacular monitor.

[Slim]

I agree. This doesn't seem to be a variant but people might prefer one type over the other. My wife just called me and told me she grabbed a couple of red ninjas, I'll compare them to the ones I have when she gets home. The ones that I have are flat non-glossy.

[The Commander]

i checked both my MOC Red Ninjas and it's pretty obvious the difference...but it's not something I think Hasbro planned or made a running change on...i just think the factory started with one type of black paint app and switched to another.

Still, kind of cool find!

[qwe]

Flair!
It's not worth running out fr in my book and I wouldn't even call it a "running change". This implies more of a intention than I see here.
Black to blue yes
Blue to brown yes
Falt black to shiny black....hmmmmm not so much.

But again maybe if I saw one in real life...

[Firefly9145]

On the knee and arm bands?

Yea on the knees guards shin and fore arms

[Dem_Yoe'z!]

Ok, I'm glad you said this, as I found myself obsessing because I couldn't see any differences.

Mind you, I believe there is a difference...I just can't see it.

Now, I have to come up with a cool name for one of them as the Red Ninja Leader.

It's really obvious in person. When you find one, you'll see it right away.

Still, I doubt this is an intentional variant on Hasbro's part beyond switching to flat black paint apps because it looks better. This ranks with the Shipwreck anchor/shark tattoo or hooded CC belt buckle variation in scale. Stuff like the blue Wraith "variant" or yellow Stalker I consider so different from the original figure that they are seperate.

[qwe]

It's really obvious in person. When you find one, you'll see it right away.

Still, I doubt this is an intentional variant on Hasbro's part beyond switching to flat black paint apps because it looks better. This ranks with the Shipwreck anchor/shark tattoo or hooded CC belt buckle variation in scale. Stuff like the blue Wraith "variant" or yellow Stalker I consider so different from the original figure that they are seperate.

I wouldn't even put it on the same level as those listed above, especially not the Shipwreck.
This is someone pressing the wrong button or the paint mixture was off I doubt anymore than that...

[Xenos]

I wouldn't even put it on the same level as those listed above, especially not the Shipwreck.
This is someone pressing the wrong button or the paint mixture was off I doubt anymore than that...

My guess is that the first ones were glossy, and when Hasbro saw them, they told the factory to change it to flat, so yes, it would be a running change just like those other things were. It's just a very minor one.

[Lody]

Bad paint apps

No variants

Are we that hard up for Joe news?

[ROC Solid Snake]

No.
Its as much a variant as the blue/black cc and blue/tan trooper.
I have 3 with the copper colored arm and leg guards and all 3 came from the case withe the blue cc and trooper.
The black cc, tan trooper and ninja with black on arm and legs come in the same case

I don't see it...

OK here's the first picture,the glossy one is on the left. The paint below the sash seems to be the same in both:

http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff489/Samus-Aurael/RN2.jpg

This second photo shows the feet also have this variant (just the little part by his toes)

http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff489/Samus-Aurael/RN1.jpg

[QUOTE=Lody;3673323]Bad paint apps

No variants

Are we that hard up for Joe news?

Exactly...

[The Commander]

Bad paint apps

No variants

Are we that hard up for Joe news?

You have any better conversation? ;)


It's not necessarily bad paint apps, just a change that some folks enjoy discussing.

[superdaver]

I picked up a second Red Ninja today and it happened to be the first-run gloss black version. To be honest I like the flat/matte black version better. With the sash being cast in a flat/matte finish, the glossy neck area and painted short trim look kind of weird transitioning to the flat/matte finish belt and sash.

I do wish that the 3-pack Ninja's red was closer to the single carded versions though. They look cool together, but I think would be better if the red's were closer.

[Slim]

My wife brought home 3 more red ninjas, two were glossy one was matte/flat. She also brought me a blue cc and brown joe trooper so maybe they can be found in the earlier shipments.

[qwe]

Bad paint apps

No variants

Are we that hard up for Joe news?

Yes, yes we are.....

[ChicagoScott]

As I'm going through mine it appears to be a glossy, a flat and an in between shade on the neck. It also appears that I have glossy feet with flat necks, flat necks with glossy feet, flat with flat, and glossy with glossy.

[Indiana Joe]

Who likes PICS???
http://www.hisstank.com/forum/attachments/testing-grounds-spam-o-rama/109733d1339526567-indiana-joes-cornfield-p6121575.jpg
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http://www.hisstank.com/forum/attachments/testing-grounds-spam-o-rama/109732d1339526567-indiana-joes-cornfield-p6121574.jpg
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http://www.hisstank.com/forum/attachments/testing-grounds-spam-o-rama/109731d1339526567-indiana-joes-cornfield-p6121573.jpg
<gloss,gloss,dull,gloss,dull>

also: the middle ninja has almost black- shin and wrist/arm guards
and the two left most and two right most, have the more common Copper/brownish coloring.

-and in the background: MOC- 1 dull 1 Gloss.

[M_renegade]

Nice find!

Certainly is not bad paint apps.

One is from the pack, and the other is from the single card...shouldn't be variant if both version where the pack, or the carded? Sounds more to me like two versions, not really variants... tho Yojoe usually labels this kind of pack/carded differences as variants, so who knows.

Still, keen eye!

.

[ChicagoScott]

Indiana Joe,

Does the paint used on the feet straps always match the paint used by the neck?

[Indiana Joe]

Nice find!

Certainly is not bad paint apps.

One is from the pack, and the other is from the single card...shouldn't be variant if both version where the pack, or the carded? Sounds more to me like two versions, not really variants... tho Yojoe usually labels this kind of pack/carded differences as variants, so who knows.

Still, keen eye!

.

All are from single carded packs. do you mean 3-pack? thats (3-pk) a different figure all together!

Indiana Joe,

Does the paint used on the feet straps always match the paint used by the neck?

They always match (from what I have seen, 8 total) Dull/dull - Gloss/gloss

[M_renegade]

All are from single carded packs. do you mean 3-pack? thats (3-pk) a different figure all together!


I meant the 3pks indeed.
But now, i realize there aren't Red Ninjas in any 3pk lol (i'm confusing Slice -or is it Dice?-)
(no, i don't menat amazon RN :P)

So, since they're all from single cards, and it's been proved a lot the consistency of differences, then it is a variant, yes!*

At Yojoe, a variant is a figure with or without a tatto or shoulder flag -for example-
So a completely different paints app, it's certainly a full variant :D


*(or running change, it depends which one is available first. Much like bllack/blue tatto Night Adder from RoC. Still counts as variant imho)

[Indiana Joe]

I meant the 3pks indeed.
But now, i realize there aren't Red Ninjas in any 3pk lol (i'm confusing Slice -or is it Dice?-)
(no, i don't menat amazon RN :P)

So, since they're all from single cards, and it's been proved a lot the consistency of differences, then it is a variant, yes!*

At Yojoe, a variant is a figure with or without a tatto or shoulder flag -for example-
So a completely different paints app, it's certainly a full variant :D


*(or running change, it depends which one is available first. Much like bllack/blue tatto Night Adder from RoC. Still counts as variant imho)

the dull red ninja came first and can be found in the case with the Blue CC and Joe trooper. the Glossy red ninja can be found in the later cases with the black CC and tan Joe trooper. from my findings, anyway.

[M_renegade]

the dull red ninja came first and can be found in the case with the Blue CC and Joe trooper. the Glossy red ninja can be found in the later cases with the black CC and tan Joe trooper. from my findings, anyway.

Understood.
Variant then. :)
It's a obvious change from the first one, not just factory error or bad paint.
If it's made on purpose, then it's a variant, there's no doubt, just like black CC and tan/blu Trooper.

I wonder if there are changes on the other figs too.
.

[ChicagoScott]

I wouldn't put this on the same level as the CC and trooper variants. I don't even think it's up there with the Zartan one.

[Indiana Joe]

I wonder if there are changes on the other figs too.
.

I was wondering the same thing.

you are referring to SS, SE, Cobra Trooper, Zartan and RB, correct ?

I don't have Multiples to compare, nor have I attempted to do so.

[Indiana Joe]

I wouldn't put this on the same level as the CC and trooper variants. I don't even think it's up there with the Zartan one.

what zartan one ?

[M_renegade]

I wouldn't put this on the same level as the CC and trooper variants. I don't even think it's up there with the Zartan one.

YoJoe (and most people) label as variant to any figure with a change, no matter how small, as long as is consistent.
This means, if a figure can be found with and without a tattoo in more than one quantities, then it's a variant.

In this case, is not only a matter of gloss or mate paint, it's a different color, and can be find either way. And is not a liitle circle or a logo, it's about all the accents on the figure.It's quite a difference.

[M_renegade]

what zartan one ?


Hum, i think Zartan head's gimmick (the clear plastic inside to make the eyes glow) came in red and green variants. I think.

[Lody]

I meant the 3pks indeed.
But now, i realize there aren't Red Ninjas in any 3pk lol (i'm confusing Slice -or is it Dice?-)
(no, i don't menat amazon RN :P)

So, since they're all from single cards, and it's been proved a lot the consistency of differences, then it is a variant, yes!*

At Yojoe, a variant is a figure with or without a tatto or shoulder flag -for example-
So a completely different paints app, it's certainly a full variant :D


*(or running change, it depends which one is available first. Much like bllack/blue tatto Night Adder from RoC. Still counts as variant imho)

The Night Adder was a variant and was acknowledged as such in an article in the GIJCC magazine

[Indiana Joe]

Hum, i think Zartan head's gimmick (the clear plastic inside to make the eyes glow) came in red and green variants. I think.

I think only the green was released.
the red is a prototype.

the green in action:
http://www.hisstank.com/forum/attachments/testing-grounds-spam-o-rama/109738d1339531810-indiana-joes-cornfield-zartanp5060853.jpg

[M_renegade]

The Night Adder was a variant and was acknowledged as such in an article in the GIJCC magazine

Good for him.
And other dozens of variants weren't, so?

Is not as if the Red ninja comes always in deifferent colors. Is not that the brown/matte version was found only once. Is not a casual finding *shrug*

In honesty, a real variant can be considered the RoC SS masked or not (the one with the cuts) or the 25th Wraith.

But this Red Ninja is different and consistent enough to be considered a kind of variant.

[ChicagoScott]

The Zartan variant is the backpack pegs. Earlier versions have longer pegs.

[ChicagoScott]

I think the consensus on the red ninja needs to be that all of them with a certain date stamp and before are the same tight, and all of them that are a later date are of the other type.

[M_renegade]

The Zartan variant is the backpack pegs. Earlier versions have longer pegs.

Oh.
Well...i dunno if that's a real variant. But since both can be found, then it seems like one too.
Although of little interest lol

[Lody]

Good for him.
And other dozens of variants weren't, so?

Is not as if the Red ninja comes always in deifferent colors. Is not that the brown/matte version was found only once. Is not a casual finding *shrug*

In honesty, a real variant can be considered the RoC SS masked or not (the one with the cuts) or the 25th Wraith.

But this Red Ninja is different and consistent enough to be considered a kind of variant.

Umm no

It would be a running change, not a variant

when they change something like glossy/non glossy paint, it's not considered a variant

[M_renegade]

Umm no

It would be a running change, not a variant

when they change something like glossy/non glossy paint, it's not considered a variant

Well, is the same that happened with the Night Adder.
First, he was available in blue tattoos, then in black.
Small paint details.

The Red Ninja has Black glossy or Brown flat. Small paint details.

The only difference is that somebody said "uuuhh eerrr...yes yes, it's a variant".

(btw, the Night Adder couldn't be found anymore in blue after the change, unlike the Red Ninja. Now that's a "running change")

[Lody]

Well, is the same that happened with the Night Adder.
First, he was available in blue tattoos, then in black.
Small paint details.

The Red Ninja has Black glossy or Brown flat. Small paint details.

The only difference is that somebody said "uuuhh eerrr...yes yes, it's a variant".

(btw, the Night Adder couldn't be found anymore in blue after the change, unlike the Red Ninja. Now that's a "running change")

"Somebody" didn't say that, Hasbro said it was a variant just like the white coat Dr. Rex. It was intentional and meant to be a different version and not an unintentional variant like the yellow stalker.

[DarkHorse]

What fun.

[ChicagoScott]

I'm not sure if this is a figure variation, a variation in the paint, or a paint mixing issue. I've picked up 11 so far. It appears to me that they fall into 5 different looks.
1. flat black near the neck/flat black shoe straps (top 5 in pic 1)
2. slightly glossy near the neck/flat black shoe straps (bottom row, the 2 figures on the left)
3. flat black near the neck/glossy black shoe straps (bottom row 3rd from the left)
4. glossy black near the neck/glossy black shoe straps (bottom row, the 3 on the right)
5. super glossy black near the neck/glossy black shoe straps (figure all the way to the right)
http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/uu151/PalatineScott/IMG_2565.jpg
1. flat black near the neck/flat black shoe straps
http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/uu151/PalatineScott/IMG_2566.jpg
2. slightly glossy near the neck/flat black shoe straps
http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/uu151/PalatineScott/IMG_2567.jpg
3. flat black near the neck/glossy black shoe straps
http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/uu151/PalatineScott/IMG_2568.jpg
4. glossy black near the neck/glossy black shoe straps
http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/uu151/PalatineScott/IMG_2569.jpg
5. super glossy black near the neck/glossy black shoe straps
http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/uu151/PalatineScott/IMG_2570.jpg