stupid spring loded rocket launchers are COOL!

[agent888]

But only 5 to 10 % of the time.
i can see the retaliation CC staff being used in all kind's of dio's, Cobra thrones ect. coming up. also roc had a few cool ones. there was one on a mobile platform and i think breaker had one that hooked up to his laptop. roc roboduke is o.k. at least it stands on it's own. cut the string and shave it down it looks like an anti-armor piece. (with a little paint.)
are there any more? please list. pic's would help.
if you really hate them send the CC staff to me postage due.

by the way. did anyone else notice that of everything else they left out of the packaging of these toys (stands, art, filecards, articulation, accessories,paint. did i leave anything out?) they had room for a pamphlet that states 1 don't choke on this. 2 " you'll shoot you're eye out!". i find this especially funny because i know a lot of us have hopes that someone, at hasbro does choke on these.

[CrimsonGuard101]

But only 5 to 10 % of the time.
i can see the retaliation CC staff being used in all kind's of dio's, Cobra thrones ect. coming up. also roc had a few cool ones. there was one on a mobile platform and i think breaker had one that hooked up to his laptop. roc roboduke is o.k. at least it stands on it's own. cut the string and shave it down it looks like an anti-armor piece. (with a little paint.)
are there any more? please list. pic's would help.
if you really hate them send the CC staff to me postage due.

by the way. did anyone else notice that of everything else they left out of the packaging of these toys (stands, art, filecards, articulation, accessories,paint. did i leave anything out?) they had room for a pamphlet that states 1 don't choke on this. 2 " you'll shoot you're eye out!". i find this especially funny because i know a lot of us have hopes that someone, at hasbro does choke on these.

The ninja zip line thingies should have been repelaced with the ninja Raiden hats from the 3 packs..they friggen rule...

[agent888]

got that set just for that hat. SEND ME THOSE TOO! PLEASE!
i would totally dig some bentenrai brother's custom from lone wolf and cub.
just trying to start a positive thread for the fan's

[Kaboomskie]

I'm gonna so love Hasbro if they made a uav spring loaded rocket launcher like this.

http://www.el33tonline.com/images/cache/26001.jpg

[DarkHorse]

I love the launchers. They're great for vehicle customs and dio pieces.

[Colder Soldier]

The ninja zip line thingies should have been repelaced with the ninja Raiden hats from the 3 packs..they friggen rule...

What was replaced? They're both in there.

And the launchers that came with RIA Ripcord was the only luancher worth a damn. The DA Baroness had a cool accessory, but it wasn't a launcher.

[Viper6]

figure stands over these things please.

[VideoViper]

If anyone does want their CC snake head launchers PM me. I'm looking for 2 for a dio piece.

[pghoff]

I think once you accept that Retaliation is a different type of Joe line (ie. kids toys rather than adult collector figures like PoC), the gimmicky stuff is not bad.

I have to admit, I find CC's staff really cool. Unfortunately I don't have a place for it my display/collection, but functionally and design-wise, it's cool. I'd love that as a kid.

ZIPLINES! Ziplines are awesome. When I played with Joes as a kid, my brother and I used to tie string all around our bedroom and front porch so zip our guys around. Now it's included with the toy.

Same goes for parachutes. What kid never tied a make-shift parachute to a joe and threw him out his window? I feel sorry for the kid that didn't.

I've enjoyed PoC and 30th, but I also accept this line as a new branch of the Joe brand. Maybe it's because I have the Sideshow "dolls" to fill the collector need in me, but I'm ok with having some Joe "toys".

[spiderpumpkin]

Kids still could care less about these toys.

I think once you accept that Retaliation is a different type of Joe line (ie. kids toys rather than adult collector figures like PoC), the gimmicky stuff is not bad.

I have to admit, I find CC's staff really cool. Unfortunately I don't have a place for it my display/collection, but functionally and design-wise, it's cool. I'd love that as a kid.

ZIPLINES! Ziplines are awesome. When I played with Joes as a kid, my brother and I used to tie string all around our bedroom and front porch so zip our guys around. Now it's included with the toy.

Same goes for parachutes. What kid never tied a make-shift parachute to a joe and threw him out his window? I feel sorry for the kid that didn't.

I've enjoyed PoC and 30th, but I also accept this line as a new branch of the Joe brand. Maybe it's because I have the Sideshow "dolls" to fill the collector need in me, but I'm ok with having some Joe "toys".

[pghoff]

Good to know you have spoken to all kids everywhere.

I do believe that kids don't care right now, but that's because there's no movie. If the movie came out, kids would be wanting them.

[blackman2005]

But only 5 to 10 % of the time.
i can see the retaliation CC staff being used in all kind's of dio's, Cobra thrones ect. coming up. also roc had a few cool ones. there was one on a mobile platform and i think breaker had one that hooked up to his laptop. roc roboduke is o.k. at least it stands on it's own. cut the string and shave it down it looks like an anti-armor piece. (with a little paint.)
are there any more? please list. pic's would help.
if you really hate them send the CC staff to me postage due.

by the way. did anyone else notice that of everything else they left out of the packaging of these toys (stands, art, filecards, articulation, accessories,paint. did i leave anything out?) they had room for a pamphlet that states 1 don't choke on this. 2 " you'll shoot you're eye out!". i find this especially funny because i know a lot of us have hopes that someone, at hasbro does choke on these.

Spring loaded contraptions should make sense and not just be an added accessory that drives up price. For characters that scale mountainous terrain or high structures, a projectile grappling hook with rope makes sense. Other cases are stand alone rocket launchers, but the spring loaded guns that came with RoC figures were too damn big for each figure to hold without toppling them over.

[DavisT78]

My kids were excited for the toys and movie and all three of them wanted to take up pitchforks and torches when I told them. They love GI Joe for the fun of the toys. The movie is just more icing on the cake.

[drunknmunky]

Good to know you have spoken to all kids everywhere.

I do believe that kids don't care right now, but that's because there's no movie. If the movie came out, kids would be wanting them.

I agree. I remember how quickly all the toys flew off the shelves during RoC. I had to fight kids to get what I wanted...



Not quite. Kids don't give a crap about Joe right now. Most have no clue what it is because there's no media for it. Kids walk down the toy aisle and grab the toys they're familiar with- Pokemon, Beyblade, Centurions, MASK, Tamogotchi. Hell I don't know what toys kids are buying but it's pretty obvious it's very rarely, if ever, Joes.

[Roshan]

Hell I don't know what toys kids are buying but it's pretty obvious it's very rarely, if ever, Joes.

Apparently Squinkies was the hot thing this year in my area. I don't know about the rest of the country. It was this year's pogs :D

[sdrawlo]

the parachutes rule! I remember kids having "Adventure People" with working parachutes, and I'd try to make some out of trash bags for Star Wars figures.

The kids that I've seen in the stores are having their folks buy Avengers toys for them.

[GI abe444]

figure stands over these things please.

Exactly ! These spring loaded luncher things suck!

[Dem_Yoe'z!]

I thought Hasbro concluded kids didn't care for the launcher back during ROC and toned them down a bit. I know they weren't popular in the 90's when EVERY figure had to have one (at the expense of individual gear). Yet here we are making the same mistakes. Why?

I suspect collectors make most purchases and the "kids aren't interested" comments are mostly true. The fact that characters kids don't know about like Low light and Sci Fi, along with troop builders, are the first to dissapear are evidence of this.

[pghoff]

Yeah, but PoC and 30th WERE geared to collectors. Hence no gimmicks, just straight articulated figures with tons of accessories.

Retaliation is clearly aimed at kids, since there is(was) a big movie tie-in that is also somewhat geared towards kids.

[purplescorpion282]

I think my favorite spring launched thing out of all GIJoe is the spring launched sled from the original Whale.....or the missiles that launched from the thunderwing was pretty cool

[MonkeyBoyZ]

I agree. I remember how quickly all the toys flew off the shelves during RoC. I had to fight kids to get what I wanted...



Not quite. Kids don't give a crap about Joe right now. Most have no clue what it is because there's no media for it. Kids walk down the toy aisle and grab the toys they're familiar with- Pokemon, Beyblade, Centurions, MASK, Tamogotchi. Hell I don't know what toys kids are buying but it's pretty obvious it's very rarely, if ever, Joes.

This

When I was a little boy and wanted to buy GI Joes, it was because (in addition to them being kick ass toys) every saturday and some weekdays there was a show on to advertise it. If only Hasbro had a channel that would broadcast shows based on their products...

[CrimsonGuard101]

What was replaced? They're both in there.

And the launchers that came with RIA Ripcord was the only luancher worth a damn. The DA Baroness had a cool accessory, but it wasn't a launcher.

In the wave 1 single packed ninjas, get rid of the zip line and give him the hat...thats what I meant..not the 3 pack silly goose ;)

[sparks007]

My kids love the spring loaded rocket launchers. They are fun to play with and that is what Hasbro was trying to accomplish.

[CrimsonGuard101]

My kids love the spring loaded rocket launchers. They are fun to play with and that is what Hasbro was trying to accomplish.

How is that what they wanted to accomplish? Wouldn't it be better to just sell the springloaded piece of shit for 1.99 then and leave out the figure? By this logic the kid will still want the springloaded piece of shit lol...and could care less about the figure...that makes no sense what so ever...the concept here is to build kids into the figures not gimmicks..no wonder they keep failing to reach the kids as a new fanbse...all they want is springloaded nerf guns...

[Psycho Joe Guy]

Same goes for parachutes. What kid never tied a make-shift parachute to a joe and threw him out his window? I feel sorry for the kid that didn't.

I haven't seen anyone whining about the parachutes, but considering the difference it makes in the price of a vintage Sky Striker to have them included, it's collector hypocrisy to complain about them. I think they're a worthwhile addition. ...dildo guns however:

no wonder they keep failing to reach the kids as a new fanbse...all they want is springloaded nerf guns...

I am seriously convinced that the VP in charge of Nerf has some leverage to require mass market GI Joe toys to include them. As little as GI Joe accounts for Hasbro's revenue, someone at the company obviously fights hard to keep the brand going and the dildo accessories may be the literal in-house sodomy required to keep the line alive.

[B and H Comics]

That Cobra Commander launcher makes a good ID port for entrance into the Terror Drome. Like the one from the cartoon that would ask "ID please".

[sparks007]

How is that what they wanted to accomplish? Wouldn't it be better to just sell the springloaded piece of shit for 1.99 then and leave out the figure? By this logic the kid will still want the springloaded piece of shit lol...and could care less about the figure...that makes no sense what so ever...the concept here is to build kids into the figures not gimmicks..no wonder they keep failing to reach the kids as a new fanbse...all they want is springloaded nerf guns...

The kids like the figures too brainiac. I didn't say the launchers are the only thing the kids want. They launchers were added as a play feature for the kids ,not as an annoyance for fanboys. As a fun gimmick for kids they were a success because kids like them. When I was a kid I loved the zip line that tomax and xamot came with and I probably would have loved the red ninjas zip line too. I know I would have loved the parachute for the cobra trooper.

[CrimsonGuard101]

The kids like the figures too brainiac. I didn't say the launchers are the only thing the kids want. They launchers were added as a play feature for the kids ,not as an annoyance for fanboys. As a fun gimmick for kids they were a success because kids like them. When I was a kid I loved the zip line that tomax and xamot came with and improbably would have loved the red ninjas zip line too. I know I would have loved the parachute for the cobra trooper.

Yet you prefaced your statement as that is a huge selling point, you didnt mention the figure at all, which was to my point that the figure becomes an after thought to the kid behind the gimick. That shadows the figure which is counter productive to what the product that Hasbro is trying to sell for other reasons, maybe to play with the ACTUAL figures? If the kid only plays with the launcher and the figure sits in a toy box..what is the sense in that? LIKE EVERY figure needs one...that dosent add any play value..they all either are a zip line or a shooting device...one launcher with one figure is sufficient for the entire line...the ziplines make more sense since you USE those with the figure...but the giant spring loaded garbage the figures cant even hold?...no that detracts from the figure

[Shipshape1983]

Damn.....so many tankers with such negative attitudes...

How do most of you know what kids are into? you're so focused on what you want...

I'm a huge fan and collector, but I never lose sight of the fact I collect toys.

[sparks007]

Yet you prefaced your statement as that is a huge selling point, you didnt mention the figure at all, which was to my point that the figure becomes an after thought to the kid behind the gimick. That shadows the figure which is counter productive to what the product that Hasbro is trying to sell for other reasons, maybe to play with the ACTUAL figures? If the kid only plays with the launcher and the figure sits in a toy box..what is the sense in that? LIKE EVERY figure needs one...that dosent add any play value..they all either are a zip line or a shooting device...one launcher with one figure is sufficient for the entire line...the ziplines make more sense since you USE those with the figure...but the giant spring loaded garbage the figures cant even hold?...no that detracts from the figure
All I said was my kids like the launchers , you are only seeing what you want to see.These are toys and if a firing rocket launcher or a ninja zip line comes with it that only makes it more fun to play with.

[CrimsonGuard101]

All I said was my kids like the launchers , you are only seeing what you want to see.

You said love, not like...big difference in implied emotion there...and of course I am going to read what I wanna see? duh lol...

[Psycho Joe Guy]

Damn.....so many tankers with such negative attitudes...

How do most of you know what kids are into? you're so focused on what you want...

I'm a huge fan and collector, but I never lose sight of the fact I collect toys.

The negative attitudes are a result of the frustration in seeing Hasbro keep repeating the same mistakes in GI Joe over and over. Adult collectors fell in love with GI Joe as kids because the toys were head and shoulders above anything else like them. There was a constant marketing presence and the toys were innovative.

Now, instead of being innovative, Hasbro has made the brand derivative and gives it absolutely ZERO marketing support. The LAST Hasbro ads anywhere I saw for GI Joe were the full-page comic spreads in 2007. I have no idea how well Nerf toys do for the company, but if ROC should have taught them anything, it's that kids don't buy toy soldiers who have weapons that look stupider than their toy guns.

I still like original ARAH Joes, and for the same reasons I did as a kid. If kids/parents bought the toys, I wouldn't complain at all, but they don't and the gimmicks only serve to alienate the existing market of collectors who DO buy them. What Hasbro is doing is the equivalent of Takara removing the accessories from a Masterpiece Transformer and replacing it with some gimmicky oversized spring-loaded contraption that has nothing to do with the character. Spring loaded weapons have their place, as TF and Joe have demonstrated many times over, but Hasbro seems to think that they are a cure for a disease of market indifference so almost every small Joe toy now sports one.

[sparks007]

The only mistake Hasbro is making is expecting to satisfy both kid and collector. They need to forget about the collectors and focus on the kids then they will have a successful toy line.

[pghoff]

It really bugs me when people think they can speak for an entire demographic.

Especially when they're not even a part of that demographic.

[Shipshape1983]

The negative attitudes are a result of the frustration in seeing Hasbro keep repeating the same mistakes in GI Joe over and over. Adult collectors fell in love with GI Joe as kids because the toys were head and shoulders above anything else like them. There was a constant marketing presence and the toys were innovative.

Now, instead of being innovative, Hasbro has made the brand derivative and gives it absolutely ZERO marketing support. The LAST Hasbro ads anywhere I saw for GI Joe were the full-page comic spreads in 2007. I have no idea how well Nerf toys do for the company, but if ROC should have taught them anything, it's that kids don't buy toy soldiers who have weapons that look stupider than their toy guns.

I still like original ARAH Joes, and for the same reasons I did as a kid. If kids/parents bought the toys, I wouldn't complain at all, but they don't and the gimmicks only serve to alienate the existing market of collectors who DO buy them. What Hasbro is doing is the equivalent of Takara removing the accessories from a Masterpiece Transformer and replacing it with some gimmicky oversized spring-loaded contraption that has nothing to do with the character. Spring loaded weapons have their place, as TF and Joe have demonstrated many times over, but Hasbro seems to think that they are a cure for a disease of market indifference so almost every small Joe toy now sports one.

I understand the frustration. Really I do.

but its not the end of the world. I've been looking for Lifeline, Sci Fi, and Techno Viper for months now. No luck. but I'll live.

If the line is too derivative, or not to your liking.....why not take a break? You have 9 months until anything new comes out.

[CrimsonGuard101]

I You have 9 months until anything new comes out.

lol that wasnt our decision now was it...

[goosetuber]

Ironically my son could care less about the storm shadow figure, but put on his zipline backpack and he's engrossed in his "Spaceman" so I can totally see the "play value"

Ansd as much as I won't have cobra commander holding his staff, it it an awesome Dio piece

[Shipshape1983]

lol that wasnt our decision now was it...

Well, maybe its a blessing in disguise. Tempers have risen to volcanic levels lately.

Retaliation Joes, Dollar General Joes, Renegades Storm Shadow....

Stress levels are so high. Maybe in these upcoming 9 months, we'll get some pleasant surprises.

I have my moments of being a negative nancy too dont get me wrong! but I dunno.....

maybe the combination of rent payments, phone bill, insurance bill, that unregistered vehicle ticket, electric bill, water bill, and cancelling my Family Cable package to reduce my cable/internet bill....
kinda mellowed me out to the worries of toy hunting...

[Psycho Joe Guy]

It really bugs me when people think they can speak for an entire demographic.

Especially when they're not even a part of that demographic.

Ahem... I may not BE a kid, but that doesn't mean I don't have kids or lack the ability to communicate with them. Kids have very little interest in GI Joe, period. If they did, it would have a much larger market presence. Hasbro could do several things outside of toy features to change this, like develop a video game and keeping a running cartoon and advertising campaign. As they do none of those, it stands to reason that they are counting on collectors to support the line at retail and the gimmicks are thrown in hopes of catching the odd child fan with 'collateral damage.'

If kids bought the toys, it would be a different matter. EVERY time I'm buying Joe stuff in a store and a child shows the least bit of interest on what I have, I direct them to it on the shelves or if I have the only one, offer it to them. I even volunteered the first Renegades Storm Shadow I found to a little boy who was curious about him and why I was so excited to find him who ultimately decided he wanted a wrestling figure instead. Play semantic games all you like, kids don't buy Joes and Hasbro isn't giving them any reason to change that.

I understand the frustration. Really I do.

but its not the end of the world.

I never said it was. All I did say was that as a marketing strategy, Hasbro is NOT getting the attention of the 'child' demographic and their half-assed effort to appeal to it is transparently indecisive: either market them to kids or focus on the existing customers. They're trying to do both and succeeding at neither. (I don't blame them for the movie. Any Star Trek fan knows that Paramount generally only succeeds by accident.)

If the line is too derivative, or not to your liking.....why not take a break? You have 9 months until anything new comes out.

I was actually mildly positively surprised. I had not planned on buying any of the toys, but the first thing I saw were the three packs. Then I found a pair of Storm Shadows and a Cobra Trooper and Red Ninja, and I decided to go on a full on Joe hunt, like I did with POC and 30th, and have been lucky enough to find quite a bit. The biggest design gripes I have are Duke's weirdly hunched forward oversized head, which also extends to what I've seen of Flint, and Roadblock's key hand. I can forgive the dildo accessories outside of RB's hand personally, but that doesn't change my observation that including them has no effect on drawing in new child-fans.

[pghoff]

Ahem... I may not BE a kid, but that doesn't mean I don't have kids or lack the ability to communicate with them. Kids have very little interest in GI Joe, period. If they did, it would have a much larger market presence. Hasbro could do several things outside of toy features to change this, like develop a video game and keeping a running cartoon and advertising campaign. As they do none of those, it stands to reason that they are counting on collectors to support the line at retail and the gimmicks are thrown in hopes of catching the odd child fan with 'collateral damage.'

You still fall into my first category. You're speaking for an entire demographic based on YOUR kids.

[CrimsonGuard101]

You still fall into my first category. You're speaking for an entire demographic based on YOUR kids.

So does Hasbro...you really think they know what kids want? Do they really ask them? or do they fall into the same categroy your making up? lol..

I dont see wreslting figures coming with springloaded missile garbage and those are always being bought by the children of the universe when i am out buying joes...last TRU i was in the mom as was askign the kid "outta all of these toys, a wrestling figure is what you want the most?" and little Timmeh gave the obligatory "yes mom! thats what I want!" and she said "ok"...

[Psycho Joe Guy]

You still fall into my first category. You're speaking for an entire demographic based on YOUR kids.

You are still incorrect. As I related, I often talk to what few kids I see in the toy aisles who aren't wrecking the joint because their lowlife "parents" are too busy trying to steal electronics to keep their kids with them. I've spoken with dozens of kids. Most have no idea of what GI Joe even is. I also have neices and nephews who are GI Joe fans (and not because of me) and they tell me about what their friends say about Joe. Even if I don't have a numerically correct sample for a statisical study, I still have enough knowledge of the market to make an informed statement such as, 'kids aren't buying GI Joe toys.' As you seem so hell bent on disproving this idea, please offer some evidence to contrary.

[Shipshape1983]

Well....consider this.

If Hasbro were to full on try to draw in new kid fans, they'd probably try to utilize whats popular these days with Joe. Like they did with Sigma Six (anime+Joes).

So think on that. Whats popular these days? and would you really want to see Joes mixed with it?

Lets see....Super heroes are really popular.....Joes + super powers? sounds pretty fucking terrible...

I dont think Hasbro wants to miss out on kids sales...but what can they work with? PC America wants to downplay the military, parents groups wants less violence on tv....

GI Joe is both those things. Where would GI Joe fit in with today's children?

[Mech-Viper]

You are still incorrect. As I related, I often talk to what few kids I see in the toy aisles who aren't wrecking the joint because their lowlife "parents" are too busy trying to steal electronics to keep their kids with them. I've spoken with dozens of kids. Most have no idea of what GI Joe even is. I also have neices and nephews who are GI Joe fans (and not because of me) and they tell me about what their friends say about Joe. Even if I don't have a numerically correct sample for a statisical study, I still have enough knowledge of the market to make an informed statement such as, 'kids aren't buying GI Joe toys.' As you seem so hell bent on disproving this idea, please offer some evidence to contrary.
i had the same talk with my boy, before ROC come out , he told me his friends didnt know who or what gijoe was. they were into star wars or bakagun or legos.

[CrimsonGuard101]

Well....consider this.

If Hasbro were to full on try to draw in new kid fans, they'd probably try to utilize whats popular these days with Joe. Like they did with Sigma Six (anime+Joes).

So think on that. Whats popular these days? and would you really want to see Joes mixed with it?

I have screamed up and down for a 30th/POC level figure from shows like Ghost in the Shell, Robotech, Gundham etc...can you imagine a decently sized Gundam ship/veritech fighter that transformed with a 3 3/4 inc figure? The kids who adore that stuff would go mad...and I would too lol..also remove N.E.S.T from transdfomers and just call em Joes...thats who they are and need to be anyway...there you just exploded the Joe brand along side Transfomers...

[Psycho Joe Guy]

Well....consider this.

If Hasbro were to full on try to draw in new kid fans, they'd probably try to utilize whats popular these days with Joe. Like they did with Sigma Six (anime+Joes).

...and that worked out how?

So think on that. Whats popular these days? and would you really want to see Joes mixed with it?

That's the VERY point I'm making. ARAH didn't rely on any gimmick. Military toys were not a popular item in the early 80's. One could argue given the country's attitude from Vietnam and the Iran hostage debacle, making a line of military toys was a pretty dumb idea. Instead, Hasbro and Marvel launched a comic book and a tv show heavily supplanted by television and print ads. They MADE GI Joe popular.

That's what I meant when I referred to innovation. Now, instead of taking a larger risk, Hasbro tries to incorporate things that have no relevance to a military toy line to the point that it is no longer even that. What worked in the 80's was not unique to the time period. It was marketing 101: create a demand and offer a wide range of products to meet that demand. Now Hasbro passively accepts a reduced demand and markets GI Joe defensively.

Look at how the mere idea that movie toys were being recalled has affected their sales. THAT's creating demand.

[whitefox360]

I'm still convinced that the arah line, cartoon and comicbook could come out tomorrow, exactly as they were in 80s just under a different name and all of you would hate them.

The fact that so many of you are pissed off probably means that hasbro's onto something.

Roc posted more profit for gi joe than 25th. EAT IT, SUCKERS!!!

[Shipshape1983]

I have screamed up and down for a 30th/POC level figure from shows like Ghost in the Shell, Robotech, Gundham etc...can you imagine a decently sized Gundam ship/veritech fighter that transformed with a 3 3/4 inc figure? The kids who adore that stuff would go mad...and I would too lol..also remove N.E.S.T from transdfomers and just call em Joes...thats who they are and need to be anyway...there you just exploded the Joe brand along side Transfomers...

Who are you kidding man?

KIDS?! who love Gundam, Robotech, and Ghost in the Shell? LOL
If kids dont know about GI Joe...I hardly think they'd know Robotech! unless they start showing it in the afternoon during after school hours on cartoon network. (thats how I came to love it)

ok, if Joe was to incorporate transforming vehicles/robots...the prices would have to be rather on the high side. Specially if you want super details like I know you would.

Those Transformers that came with drivers were one step away or beyond being called M.A.S.K.

[Psycho Joe Guy]

Roc posted more profit for gi joe than 25th. EAT IT, SUCKERS!!!

...and where, besides your ass, did you come up with that information?

[CrimsonGuard101]

Who are you kidding man?

KIDS?! who love Gundam, Robotech, and Ghost in the Shell? LOL
If kids dont know about GI Joe...I hardly think they'd know Robotech! unless they start showing it in the afternoon during after school hours on cartoon network. (thats how I came to love it)

ok, if Joe was to incorporate transforming vehicles/robots...the prices would have to be rather on the high side. Specially if you want super details like I know you would.

Those Transformers that came with drivers were one step away or beyond being called M.A.S.K.

Well GiTS/Robotechishanime is what i was referring too, those future tech soldier looks they both offered were spot on future tech. Robetch is all i can point at since it actually had a decent toy line back in the day lol..

Sadly those figures you mention with the TFs were miles away from what MASK was...maybe 0.0001% closer to mask then we will ever get but still eons away in R&D for a MASK line...

[Shipshape1983]

...and that worked out how?



That's the VERY point I'm making. ARAH didn't rely on any gimmick. Military toys were not a popular item in the early 80's. One could argue given the country's attitude from Vietnam and the Iran hostage debacle, making a line of military toys was a pretty dumb idea. Instead, Hasbro and Marvel launched a comic book and a tv show heavily supplanted by television and print ads. They MADE GI Joe popular.

That's what I meant when I referred to innovation. Now, instead of taking a larger risk, Hasbro tries to incorporate things that have no relevance to a military toy line to the point that it is no longer even that. What worked in the 80's was not unique to the time period. It was marketing 101: create a demand and offer a wide range of products to meet that demand. Now Hasbro passively accepts a reduced demand and markets GI Joe defensively.

Look at how the mere idea that movie toys were being recalled has affected their sales. THAT's creating demand.

Thats my point, Sigma Six didnt succeed.

and you gotta consider, the price of advertising has sky rocketed since 1982. magazines? comicbooks? .....I dont know if kids still actually READ anymore... maybe if Hasbro started advertising through apps on smart phones?

Adventure Team came about in the 60s-70s to get away from the military theme.

BUT!! in the 80s! we got Rambo, and Reagan! and action heroes who made the military cool again! THATS how GI Joe ARAH became popular. They combined elements of action/adventure with the can do attitude of Reagan!

BUT it didnt last! remember?

Star Brigade? Eco Warriors? Dino Hunters? Street Fighters? DEF?

these sub groups ALL played up to what was popular and relavent at the times. Sure collectors were mortified, but the toys sold!

[CrimsonGuard101]

Thats my point, Sigma Six didnt succeed.

and you gotta consider, the price of advertising has sky rocketed since 1982. magazines? comicbooks? .....I dont know if kids still actually READ anymore... maybe if Hasbro started advertising through apps on smart phones?

Adventure Team came about in the 60s-70s to get away from the military theme.

BUT!! in the 80s! we got Rambo, and Reagan! and action heroes who made the military cool again! THATS how GI Joe ARAH became popular. They combined elements of action/adventure with the can do attitude of Reagan!

BUT it didnt last! remember?

Star Brigade? Eco Warriors? Dino Hunters? Street Fighters? DEF?

these sub groups ALL played up to what was popular and relavent at the times. Sure collectors were mortified, but the toys sold!

So what your saying is all we need to do is resurrect Regan resurrect the Soviet Union/Iron Curatin/ Cold war and everything will be fine again? I agree!

[Psycho Joe Guy]

Star Brigade? Eco Warriors? Dino Hunters? Street Fighters? DEF?

these sub groups ALL played up to what was popular and relavent at the times. Sure collectors were mortified, but the toys sold!

umm... no, they didn't. Joe toy sales began declining in the late 80's and never had a significant upturn until the 25th line. Each successive "reimagining" only made sales worse, because Hasbro relied on repaints and other brand tie ins. The toys also became progressively lower in quality.

The political climate of the 80's may have helped, but it was incidental. The decisions to go forward with the ARAH line were made in the late 70's. Joe captured the fascination of a strong, morally upright military and based its toys on actual military hardware. ARAH sold more in a couple of years than Adventure Team had for entire decades. Shortly after the animated movie, as Hasbro sunk less and less into toy development, sales began their decline. The country's political climate did not change drastically until the mid 90's, and GI Joe was a shadow of its former self already by then.

I'm not saying Hasbro should utilize the same media as the 80's, just that they should utilize SOME media. Cartoons work wonders for other toy lines: SW, TF, etc. You can't sell something if people don't want it, and aside from collectors, Hasbro doesn't make anyone want GI Joe.

[Shipshape1983]

umm... no, they didn't. Joe toy sales began declining in the late 80's and never had a significant upturn until the 25th line. Each successive "reimagining" only made sales worse, because Hasbro relied on repaints and other brand tie ins. The toys also became progressively lower in quality.

The political climate of the 80's may have helped, but it was incidental. The decisions to go forward with the ARAH line were made in the late 70's. Joe captured the fascination of a strong, morally upright military and based its toys on actual military hardware. ARAH sold more in a couple of years than Adventure Team had for entire decades. Shortly after the animated movie, as Hasbro sunk less and less into toy development, sales began their decline. The country's political climate did not change drastically until the mid 90's, and GI Joe was a shadow of its former self already by then.

I'm not saying Hasbro should utilize the same media as the 80's, just that they should utilize SOME media. Cartoons work wonders for other toy lines: SW, TF, etc. You can't sell something if people don't want it, and aside from collectors, Hasbro doesn't make anyone want GI Joe.

What kind of cartoon could Gi Joe be now?

the only way I can see GI Joe succeeding in today's market is if they make it educational, or irreverent comedy. Maybe play up the ninjas again? If its full on action, parents groups would complain.

I'm at a loss.... there's barely any Saturday morning cartoons anymore. or after school cartoons.

I remember in the 90s there was Fox, and WPIX. To a lesser extent we also had PBS...all had cartoons from 3pm to 5pm before news came on

than mid 90s we saw Cartoon Network come about which gave us toonami and reruns of 80s cartoons until they focused fully on anime.

I dont know where GI Joe would be relevant to our modern society.

[luigi]

What kind of cartoon could Gi Joe be now?

the only way I can see GI Joe succeeding in today's market is if they make it educational, or irreverent comedy. Maybe play up the ninjas again? If its full on action, parents groups would complain.

I'm at a loss.... there's barely any Saturday morning cartoons anymore. or after school cartoons.

I remember in the 90s there was Fox, and WPIX. To a lesser extent we also had PBS...all had cartoons from 3pm to 5pm before news came on

than mid 90s we saw Cartoon Network come about which gave us toonami and reruns of 80s cartoons until they focused fully on anime.

I dont know where GI Joe would be relevant to our modern society.

cyber terrorists :P

[Psycho Joe Guy]

Renegades was/is pretty popular and didn't seem to piss off any nanny-state groups. Too bad Hasbro pulled the plug on it over a year before ANY toys from the show hit the shelves. They really could stand to run two cartoons, continue Renegades on the Hub and run another more adult-oriented Resolute-style show on Cartoon Network or as webisodes with toy commericals in both. They should also have a FPS video game with direct tie-ins to the toy lines.

[generic trooper]

I liked Desert Ambush Duke's launcher - pretty much the 'grim reaper' from Black ops (m202 flash).

[Shipshape1983]

Renegades was/is pretty popular and didn't seem to piss off any nanny-state groups. Too bad Hasbro pulled the plug on it over a year before ANY toys from the show hit the shelves. They really could stand to run two cartoons, continue Renegades on the Hub and run another more adult-oriented Resolute-style show on Cartoon Network or as webisodes with toy commericals in both. They should also have a FPS video game with direct tie-ins to the toy lines.

The HUB was a premium channel though.

When I still had the family cable package, my bill was 124 dollars every month.
I just couldnt afford that so I got rid of it. now I pay 50 bucks a month.
GI Joe needs exposure, but I dont think the HUB is the right place to get it seeing as a lot of folks dont get the channel.

GI Joe would also do better in a good time slot. on an accessible channel.

Maybe if Hot Topics were to release some colorful shirts and hoodies with GI Joe on them? That seemed to work for MY Little Ponies..

[CrimsonGuard101]

The HUB was a premium channel though.

When I still had the family cable package, my bill was 124 dollars every month.
I just couldnt afford that so I got rid of it. now I pay 50 bucks a month.
GI Joe needs exposure, but I dont think the HUB is the right place to get it seeing as a lot of folks dont get the channel.

GI Joe would also do better in a good time slot. on an accessible channel.

Maybe if Hot Topics were to release some colorful shirts and hoodies with GI Joe on them? That seemed to work for MY Little Ponies..

Gi Joe legos would be a huge help...I still dunno why they havent done that yet...like real branded GI JOE legos..they do batman, ninjagao and all of that crap and Pirates of the Carribean and even Star Wars...so why not thie rown brand of GI JOE stuff? they havent even tried that yet...

[pghoff]

Renegades was boring, the same 4 characters grew tiresome very quickly. I hated how they'd introduce a new Joe character, but it was just some guy you never really saw again.

[CrimsonGuard101]

Renegades was boring, the same 4 characters grew tiresome very quickly. I hated how they'd introduce a new Joe character, but it was just some guy you never really saw again.

not to mention the lamenss of when SE would just appear out of any ass crack he could find...he would just "poop" out and then cue that cheesy ninjaeque theme...like by epsiode 14 we KNEW he already was a ninja..can we stop with that? lol

They do what you mention with th emovies too its always SE+ 4 other random characters who tag along for the ride...cameo everyone else for 2 secs and keep going...

[SmokePants]

The spring launcher that came with my Amazon sneak peak set Roadblock barely works. Half the time, if you press the button, the rocket moves forward a bit, but doesn't leave the launcher. What good is that? Are they trying to teach kids about erections? "Show me on the rocket launcher where he touched you, Billy."

The other half of the time, the rocket just falls out with no trajectory onto a sock.

[generic trooper]

The spring launcher that came with my Amazon sneak peak set Roadblock barely works. Half the time, if you press the button, the rocket moves forward a bit, but doesn't leave the launcher. What good is that? Are they trying to teach kids about erections? "Show me on the rocket launcher where he touched you, Billy."

The other half of the time, the rocket just falls out with no trajectory onto a sock.

XD. I have a bin full of those rockets. I find the launchers that I like are the ones that look good without their missile.

[luigi]

the spring launcher that came with my amazon sneak peak set roadblock barely works. Half the time, if you press the button, the rocket moves forward a bit, but doesn't leave the launcher. What good is that? Are they trying to teach kids about erections? "show me on the rocket launcher where he touched you, billy."

the other half of the time, the rocket just falls out with no trajectory onto a sock.

rotfl

[Psycho Joe Guy]

Renegades was boring, the same 4 characters grew tiresome very quickly. I hated how they'd introduce a new Joe character, but it was just some guy you never really saw again.

It's a kid's show, remember? Are YOU speaking for all kids now? The limited number of characters was a direct result of the small budget. Transformers Prime had way more money put into it and IMO at least, Renegades was a much superior product. Given more time to develop more stories, a better budget, and toys based on running current episodes, it could have been a much better 'gateway' for youngsters to GI Joe than an action movie.

Adult collectors could be served by a decidedly more adult late night show. Live action or animated, give it nudity, graphic violence, and sex and Showtime or HBO would carry and promote it. Netflix and the web would take up the slack for all non-subscribers. Shoot, just have a gay member of the team and think of all the free publicity that would generate. Could you imagine the buzz a Baroness/Scarlett onscreen lesbian scene would generate? Make Flint gay but still a badass and there's your Trueblood fanbase. Show Zartan as a sadistic serial killer assassin: Dexter. The show practically writes itself, and that one could be as dark and removed from the toyline so long as the writing was good. Hawaii Five-O is basically live action PG13 Joe already.

The HUB was a premium channel though.

When I still had the family cable package, my bill was 124 dollars every month.
I just couldnt afford that so I got rid of it. now I pay 50 bucks a month.
GI Joe needs exposure, but I dont think the HUB is the right place to get it seeing as a lot of folks dont get the channel.

Hasbro shares ownership of the Hub with Discovery. There's no way they're going to pay to produce what amounts to a commerical for them and then not air it on their own network. Resolute is too adult for that channel's demographic, so I doubt it will ever show up there risking alienating advertisers without being heavily edited. It also predated the Hub anyway.

The Hub is a revenue stream for Hasbro and they want other people to pay for air time on it, not pay Cartoon Network to carry their programming. Hasbro is dipping its toes in becoming a multimedia corporation, but the way they have done so has inadvertently limited their options for advertising. The outcome of the GI Joe movie will have a significant impact on what becomes of the Hub, as they've already burned out a large part of the casual Transformers fans from those movies.

GI Joe would also do better in a good time slot. on an accessible channel.

If Hasbro would provide more local avail slots (which they may not own enough of the network to decide to do), they could become a basic cable channel. They probably plan to do this, but can't afford to currently.

Maybe if Hot Topics were to release some colorful shirts and hoodies with GI Joe on them? That seemed to work for MY Little Ponies..

The Twat Topic in the mall close to my house DID carry a bunch of goth/hipster/edgy Joe merch when ROC was out, and it actually sold out without being clearanced. Obviously that didn't translate into toy sales, unless you count the ones at Spencer's. ;)

[DarkHorse]

Sometimes I have fun lining up figures then blasting them with the launchers. The Patriot Grizzly was great.

[pghoff]

It's a kid's show, remember? Are YOU speaking for all kids now? The limited number of characters was a direct result of the small budget. Transformers Prime had way more money put into it and IMO at least, Renegades was a much superior product. Given more time to develop more stories, a better budget, and toys based on running current episodes, it could have been a much better 'gateway' for youngsters to GI Joe than an action movie.



Did I say "kids don't like Renegades?" No, pretty sure I didn't. I said it's a boring show, indicating that I think it's a boring show.

I never claimed to be speaking for anybody but myself.

[agent888]

Sometimes I have fun lining up figures then blasting them with the launchers. The Patriot Grizzly was great.

yeah man thanks, this is what i was talking about, you know, fun.
this thread is about fun. even with rocket launchers.
just for the record i love stories of people shooting there eye out or choking on things they were never meant to point at the face.
watch your own kids.