Big Problems Behind ‘G.I. Joe 2′s Big Delay

[Raysohood]

'G.I. Joe: Retaliation' Delay -- Why It Really Happened (http://www.deadline.com/2012/05/big-problems-behind-g-i-joe-2s-big-delay/#utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

[diablosandwitch]

anyone surprised!? a never tested directer, and a toy company with out any vision what they want!?

its not hard to know what this all about,but hollywood is too stupid and greedy

[ssyoda]

I hate channing tatum so f-ing much! Wtf is he even doing in the movie? They could of had anyone else to play duke and they picked this f-ing guy. I didnt even by the duke action figure cause it looks to much like this STAFF EDIT

[Money-B]

As long as Duke still dies, they can drag it out a little.

[CrimsonGuard101]

As long as Duke still dies, they can drag it out a little.

Maybe if they change it to where Tatum is no longer Duke, make hims 1st Sgt. Joe Dude or something and he just gets killed in the ambush and we can move on to Flint and Duke can come back in GI JOE 3 as a new actor? lol

[Raysohood]

I like tatum as duke. Im the minority though lol

[tycondrius]

oh great we're gonna have Tatum Zombie figures which will be a re -work of the Z-viper ;P

[Raysohood]

I hate channing tatum so f-ing much! Wtf is he even doing in the movie? They could of had anyone else to play duke and they picked this f-ing guy. I didnt even by the duke action figure cause it looks to much like this Staff Edit.

What did this guy do to you though? really you hate him lol. I understanding the acting but the person. Have u met him

[Fox]

Who likes Channing Tatum? He can't act. Well he can act just one type - Channing Tatum type. He's your private dancer. A dancer for money. He'll do what you want him to do.

His success is connected only parts he gets. You can take the fattest and uglist actor stick him as the boy friend in a chick flick and you'll have another Channing Tatum. Women are suckers for those movies.

Do they really think a refocus on a Duke's and Roadblock romance in 3D is gonna help? I hope the reshoots include a scene where Roadblock has to leave Duke in the rain and Duke says "I'll be waiting for you."

[Night_Force_GI_EDDO]

Personally I wasn't a fan of Tatum as Duke in ROC, but at no point did I really think it was a good idea, or even an option to kill him off. I mean, it's Duke! They were gonna do it in the 80's and found out what a dumb idea that was, so why would they do it now just to kill almost all relation to the last film? I hope they don't kill him off now. I'd really prefer to see him come out of his signature coma.

[Raysohood]

I Do. Well I started like him after haywire and 21 jump street.

I do lik ehow ya focusing on hating him but not the fact that it tested poorly. Mediocre to bad.

messed uo that chu didnt know though

[Master Henton]

I don't know what they were thinking killing him off in the first place. 90% of the audince will cheer when he bites it.

You don't really want that, people cheering the death of a good guy.

If ya wanted US to feel bad, have some pitty, they would kill Scarlett (not that I want that, she was awesome).

[CrimsonGuard101]

I Do. Well I started like him after haywire and 21 jump street.

I do lik ehow ya focusing on hating him but not the fact that it tested poorly. Mediocre to bad.

messed uo that chu didnt know though

I think its actually what were were looking in for a Joe movie and Chu nailed it so friggen hard it scared Paramount shitless...so they pulled it before it detracted from Avengers...and started all this bad press to cover up thier mistake of calling a "3d" remake when everyone saw through that bs...

[GeneralxRon]

Awesome! More Channing Tatum as Duke Action Figures since he doesn't die

[bluesparrow]

Duke really is impossible to kill, isn't he?

[CrimsonGuard101]

Duke really is impossible to kill, isn't he?

In the cartoon yes..but in a "live" action flick and no one ever dies? wasnt that one of the biggest complaints about all the 80s ARAH cartoons? everyone went home without a single scratch? event he guys who jumped outta airplanes always had perfect parachutes..lol...Resolute gave us the first big named deaths ever and everyone freaked and whined...its the best way to get out of this rut everyone hates so much with us always wanting remakes of our 80s joes. What better way to move on then kill em off like they did in Resolute? This leads to new characters and new adventures...that maybe the kids would like to have for thier own?

[Outback 2094]

I hate channing tatum so f-ing much! Wtf is he even doing in the movie? They could of had anyone else to play duke and they picked this f-ing guy. I didnt even by the duke action figure cause it looks to much like this .

I sense a little hostility here...

[MeLikeJinx]

Never thought "more Tatum Channing" would be the solution for any problem. LOL.

[KingBiohazerd]

Lol look at this winning comment. Made some good points but then lost it at the end.


After the studio screwed over everybody from part one, this mess is exactly what they deserve. As a lifelong fan of GI Joe I very much enjoyed the first movie. It had flaws. The power suits were silly, Marlon Wayans was annoying. But there was enough there to build from and fix. They didn’t need to scrap every single thing about it and start over. And killing off Channing Tatum? Let’s get it right, that means they’re killing off DUKE. Duke, the main character of GI Joe for 30 years. Say what you will about Michael Bay’s Transformers but even he ain’t stupid enough to kill off Optimus Prime in the 2nd movie. G.I. Joe without Duke is like a Batman movie with no Batman. The first movie at least seemed to be made by people that liked and got what G.I. Joe was. This new movie may end up a better movie, but it won’t be a better G.I. Joe movie. Comment by lethargic — Tuesday May 29, 2012 @ 10:14pm PDT

[CrimsonGuard101]

Lol look at this winning comment. Made some good points but then lost it at the end.


After the studio screwed over everybody from part one, this mess is exactly what they deserve. As a lifelong fan of GI Joe I very much enjoyed the first movie. It had flaws. The power suits were silly, Marlon Wayans was annoying. But there was enough there to build from and fix. They didn’t need to scrap every single thing about it and start over. And killing off Channing Tatum? Let’s get it right, that means they’re killing off DUKE. Duke, the main character of GI Joe for 30 years. Say what you will about Michael Bay’s Transformers but even he ain’t stupid enough to kill off Optimus Prime in the 2nd movie. G.I. Joe without Duke is like a Batman movie with no Batman. The first movie at least seemed to be made by people that liked and got what G.I. Joe was. This new movie may end up a better movie, but it won’t be a better G.I. Joe movie. Comment by lethargic — Tuesday May 29, 2012 @ 10:14pm PDT

Was spot on till he reached "They didn tneed to scrap" then on form there it got really really wrong lol.....

Apparnelty everyone only remembers Duke...thats a shame since Flint was the better leader of the joes...even Hawk was better. If Duke was an older guy I wouldnt mind him but Channing is to young to be Duke...

[Shin Densetsu]

Was spot on till he reached "They didn tneed to scrap" then on form there it got really really wrong lol.....

Apparnelty everyone only remembers Duke...thats a shame since Flint was the better leader of the joes...even Hawk was better. If Duke was an older guy I wouldnt mind him but Channing is to young to be Duke...

Hawk IS leader of the Joes, but Quaid wasn't coming back and there doesn't appear to be a role written for General Hawk in Retaliation. Seems the main focus was Rock leading after a bunch of Joes get killed, and tracking down Joe Colton to retaliate at Cobra. Maybe Hawk can come back in a sequel and take on a more prominent role, but I would like it if he had more of an active role. He was mainly in the background in ROC, didn't do much.

[thairestauranteur]

You know I have always bitched up a storm about Tater myself. Trouble I am having is how is Tater all of the sudden an A-Lister? Perhaps it was Stephen Sommer's totally craptastic direction and unrealized vision as to what RoC was supposed to be and as a consequence, ever actors performance suffered. Including Tater.

That said, maybe we need to give the man a chance. Never thought I would hear myself say this but obviously, G.I.Joe would be much better off having as many A-Listers as possible and that INCLUDES Tater.

Hell, he is on the front cover of Entertainment Weekly this week.

Tater has marketability and that is going to be necessary to get those chicks in to see this flick.

Goldner are you finally listening?

[CrimsonGuard101]

Hawk IS leader of the Joes, but Quaid wasn't coming back and there doesn't appear to be a role written for General Hawk in Retaliation. Seems the main focus was Rock leading after a bunch of Joes get killed, and tracking down Joe Colton to retaliate at Cobra. Maybe Hawk can come back in a sequel and take on a more prominent role, but I would like it if he had more of an active role. He was mainly in the background in ROC, didn't do much.

Cept sit in a wheel chair...

Yeah they need somone better then Quaid though to play Hawk part...Powers Boothe would be cool..

[Shin Densetsu]

Cept sit in a wheel chair...

Yeah they need somone better then Quaid though to play Hawk part...Powers Boothe would be cool..

That guy that was 2Face and the main dude from BATTLE LOS ANGELES should be Hawk. That guy was bad ass in both roles.

[CrimsonGuard101]

That guy that was 2Face and the main dude from BATTLE LOS ANGELES should be Hawk. That guy was bad ass in both roles.

I wanted him for Duke :(

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001173/

He'd also make a good lowlight.

[whiteknight]

Personally I wasn't a fan of Tatum as Duke in ROC, but at no point did I really think it was a good idea, or even an option to kill him off. I mean, it's Duke! They were gonna do it in the 80's and found out what a dumb idea that was, so why would they do it now just to kill almost all relation to the last film? I hope they don't kill him off now. I'd really prefer to see him come out of his signature coma.

I agree. I mean, kill Duke? I know there's a lot of Tatum-hate here, but . . . kill Duke? I remember following a thread here that asked about the Duke hate, and a lot of folks here hated not Duke the character, but the fact that (a) Channing Tatum played Duke in RoC, and (b) Habro made so many versions of the Duke figure ad nauseum-- right up there with CC, SE, and SS. Killing off Duke is like killing off Captain America. (Oh right, Marvel did that already.)

[CrimsonGuard101]

I agree. I mean, kill Duke? I know there's a lot of Tatum-hate here, but . . . kill Duke? I remember following a thread here that asked about the Duke hate, and a lot of folks here hated not Duke the character, but the fact that (a) Channing Tatum played Duke in RoC, and (b) Habro made so many versions of the Duke figure ad nauseum-- right up there with CC, SE, and SS. Killing off Duke is like killing off Captain America. (Oh right, Marvel did that already.)

No that would be more akin them killing Snake Eyes...think of the outrage if he was killed...you dont need 4-5 Snake Eyes wannabes..you just need Snake Eyes...and then any other Joe you want...

[kilowatt]

I hate channing tatum so f-ing much! Wtf is he even doing in the movie? They could of had anyone else to play duke and they picked this f-ing guy. I didnt even by the duke action figure cause it looks to much like this fag.

I think Channing is hot, love him as Duke.

[KingBiohazerd]

I hate channing tatum so f-ing much! Wtf is he even doing in the movie? They could of had anyone else to play duke and they picked this f-ing guy. I didnt even by the duke action figure cause it looks to much like this STAFF EDIT.

*sigh* So much rage and hate.

[Cdt Weasel]

No matter how many times they try to kill off duke, it just doesn't happen. Thats some kind of conspiracy fate type thing.

[nightfall]

Channing I've always felt was a sub-par actor even seeing him in other movies. His acting is near lifeless. My wife thinks he's cute as hell..but what can I do lol. The last thing that should be on anyones mind is killing off that lugnut. GIJOE needs Duke as well as Flint or even Hawk. They are important characters that keep everything together. If anything...they need to cut down on the ninja action some and seriously rethink saying RoadBlock is the ultimate ninja/commando. I think SE holds that title and I was 10 years old when ARAH started. I'd like to think I know what I'm speaking about. Retaliation will finally come just like all the toys did. Blows that it'll be short-lived with the toys til they finally release Retaliation but it'll come back and I have a feeling we'll see some cool changes not just with the movie but the toys as well. Yo Joe!!!!

[Kujo]

I hate channing tatum so f-ing much! Wtf is he even doing in the movie? They could of had anyone else to play duke and they picked this f-ing guy. I didnt even by the duke action figure cause it looks to much like this STAFF EDIT.

Amen brother!

[kilowatt]

Amen brother!

Amen? Really? For hate? Really? That just seems off.

[CrimsonGuard101]

Amen? Really? For hate? Really? That just seems off.

huh?

[Crimson Rage]

I hate channing tatum so f-ing much! Wtf is he even doing in the movie? They could of had anyone else to play duke and they picked this f-ing guy. I didnt even by the duke action figure cause it looks to much like this STAFF EDIT.

I could say the same thing about The Rock, his "intense" stares and lack of range, minus the swearing and "gay" comments of coures... THAT would be so childish of me.

Amen? Really? For hate? Really? That just seems off.

Hate is easy... any two-bit bleater can hate with the pack. Teddy bear throwing was elevated to high art after RoC was released... It was fun to watch, yet desperately sad at the same time. The fact that people are clinging on to it and spewing the same thing with every post nearly three years later suggests me they get fixated very easy and will all have ulcers before they're teenagers... I can imagine them getting angry about everything... Wouldn't like to be there in the store when they find their favourite cereal is out of stock.

[kilowatt]

huh?

Really? You don't get what I am calling out? Amen to hate.

[kilowatt]

Hate is easy... any two-bit bleater can hate with the pack. Teddy bear throwing was elevated to high art after RoC was released... It was fun to watch, yet desperately sad at the same time.[/QUOTE]

No, ROC wasn't really that fun to watch. I tried to tell myself that at first, but I fucking hated it.

[Kujo]

Amen? Really? For hate? Really? That just seems off.

Yes, really. It's right on.

[kilowatt]

I have to re read shit now, come on! What are you doing Crimson Rage?

[kilowatt]

I won't! I refuse!

[kilowatt]

Yes, really. It's right on.

Wake up to 2012, discrimination is lame.

[Crimson Rage]

No, ROC wasn't really that fun to watch. I tried to tell myself that at first, but I Staff Edit hated it.

Not talking about the film. I meant the childish infighting & name-calling was fun to watch... initially.

[Kujo]

Let the hate consume you Kilo! No but seriously, Tatum is just a shitty actor IMO. I do "hate" the way he acts. He may be a great guy in reality. But he sucks at acting. A wooden dope. I do agree he shouldn't be killed off because he "is" Duke, and Duke is a staple of G.I. Joe.

[kilowatt]

No, ROC wasn't really that fun to watch. I tried to tell myself that at first, but I fucking hated it.

Not talking about the film. I meant the childish infighting & name-calling was fun to watch... initially.[/QUOTE]

Very true.

[Kujo]

Wake up to 2012, discrimination is lame.

Sounds like you're discriminating on my opinion.

[kilowatt]

Let the hate consume you Kilo! No but seriously, Tatum is just a shitty actor IMO. I do "hate" the way he acts. He may be a great guy in reality. But he sucks at acting. A wooden dope. I do agree he shouldn't be killed off because he "is" Duke, and Duke is a staple of G.I. Joe.

I think it falls more on the director than the actor. The actor is taking direction from the director.

[Kujo]

I think it falls more on the director than the actor. The actor is taking direction from the director.

I see where you're coming from.

[kilowatt]

CHECK YOUR PM's STAFF EDIT

[ShockVal]

Screw 3D. If Duke dies in the clutches of Baroness' thighes then all the better. They have no confidence in the Movie doing well b

[Kujo]

Ok? I was the one that used incendiary words. What the STAFF EDIT?

Sarcasm man. All of it. Relax my friend. You know you can ignore it if you don't like it. I didn't intend to upset you.

[kilowatt]

Sarcasm man. All of it. Relax my friend. You know you can ignore it if you don't like it. I didn't intend to upset you.

Drunken rage! Normally I keep quiet. I don't like when the word "fag" is loosely thrown around. No worries, I deal with this everyday of my life it seems like.

[Kujo]

Drunken rage! Normally I keep quiet. I don't like when the word "fag" is loosely thrown around. No worries, I deal with this everyday of my life it seems like.

I feel ya man. It's all good, and just so you know, I wasn't quoting ssyoda for using the word "fag", just for a little dislike of Tatum. :)

[kilowatt]

haha It's all good, no worries.

[red4]

The more information that is released, the worse it sounds.

Why did you cut him?
Because he has skin that can be cut.
Why did you squeeze lemon juice into the cut?
I was already holding the lemon before I saw him.

That's what this information sounds like to me.

[Imperial_Ozma]

I look at the part where they say Channing Tatum might be resurrected and think... "no, they wouldn't edit a GI Joe movie after the fact to eliminate the death of Duke!!!"

But the bottom line is the reasoning behind this move is predicated largely on the fact that Battleship failed... Battleship failed because it was a dumb idea. John Carter failed because Disney didn't market it right.

[sparks007]

Why reshoot just reboot !

[IIIzoeIII]

I really like tatum...as an actor..like in "fighting".. good movie.
however he was horrible in gi joe,but looks like he was given much better lines in retaliation..like him or not I think it's completely stupid having him die and having RB the heavy machine gunner be the leader.I hope they fix that major STAFF EDIT
but yeah I would be very afraid of "the amazing spider man" as well. I thought that movie was going to be so lame but now I think it's going to annihilate the 1st trilogy having seen the trailers

[DarkHorse]

Moar tatum!!!

[Firefly9145]

YESSSSSS Duke lives!

[WVMojo]

I'm still hoping we get a Director's Cut at some point so we can see the original finished movie.

[haradrel]

I'm calling this now:
"Secret" ending after the credit: Duke wakes up from a coma.

[rodster6]

Who are these people who are demanding that every film be in 3D? I don't know anyone who wanted 3D before it became the fad that it is now and I don't know anyone who gets upset if a film isn't in 3D. Do these people all sit at home sighing as they watch TV because it's not in 3D? Don't they ever watch DVDs or anything that isn't in 3D because it takes away so much enjoyment? God I hate 3D and I hate that so many people seem to fall for this fad.

[CustomJoes]

Tatum is the guy they gave us, I'm willing to sit through his performance to enjoy the other aspects of the movie. And seriously, the liberty being taken by making the rock the leader is because KIDS know his face. I have my concerns with the character choices for cobra, since day one they never should have revealed cobra commanders identity or face, the baroness and Scarlett should be n this movie despite which actresses end up playing the role. Really too much I can say about the greediness f this move by paramount but if it makes the viewing experience better I'm all for it. Stop hating on tatum it's not his fault

[CustomJoes]

I agree let's kill this trend and only view 2d movies

[rodster6]

I agree let's kill this trend and only view 2d movies

I already do this, I won't go see a movie in 3D no matter how difficult the cinema makes it for me to see films in 2D by reducing the showing times of 2D movies.
I gave 3D a chance in 2009/10 but it didn't enhance any film I saw, it actually just annoyed me as the image didn't seem as sharp and was to dark.

[kneroh]

I'm don't care about the move, or the reasons for doing so. If the movie tested poorly which it seems to have done then sit on it. Fix it up, bring on a punch up expert for the script and do your reshoots.

If it takes you 9 weeks or 9 years to get the movie presentable so be it. Just delivery the best possible GI Joe movie you can. So much of the brands future is riding on the films success. Can you imagine what a truly good film would do for the property? If we started doing Transformers' numbers in the toy aisle? It would be the 3rd golden age for GI Joe!

If there's one thing being a GI Joe fan has thought it's patience. I went through a LONG spell after 94 with product that did not interest me in the least. Post 97 and the 15th Anniversary at TRU was other totally dry spell. VvV well... yea, Sigma 6... fine but not for me. Even the 25th was hit and miss and I'm still waiting for a lot of favorites to be released.

If I can go through all of those periods and still love GI Joe, and be optimistic about it's future and excited for the product I know will come then I can wait 9 months while the studio makes a better film than what they currently have.

[boomer77]

I like tatum as duke. Im the minority though lol

I'm ok keeping Tatum as Duke also.
I'd still like to see a death scene for Duke, but have him come back at the end of the film for a cliff hanger set up for the third movie.

[cobracobra]

If it takes you 9 weeks or 9 years to get the movie presentable so be it. Just delivery the best possible GI Joe movie you can. So much of the brands future is riding on the films success. Can you imagine what a truly good film would do for the property? If we started doing Transformers' numbers in the toy aisle? It would be the 3rd golden age for GI Joe!


This is well spoken. I feel the same way.

[JackStatic]

Not that i mind, as i already knew duke
Dies, i mean its fairly obvious anyway, but i gotta say, thats a pretty big spoiler to put on the front page.

Anyway, idk, at this point.... It seems like they should have just put more thought into this BEFORE buying a superbowl ad. Over zealous? Yea i think they are

[MonkeyBoyZ]

I told my wife that the Retaliation will have more Channing Tatum after it tested poorly and she said "Who did they test it on, 20 year old girls?" I don't feel that anyone in ROC was given a chance to act. I think the director pointed to the mummy and said something along the lines of "just like that" and took all of one take each shot. Channing tatum is no Gary Oldman but he can act as something other than Channing Tatum. I reference the Eagle. It was a movie that was not heavily promoted as a Tatum film because there is zero hip hop in it. We may be surprised at how the changes improve the film, besides the 3D changes.

[MrHateAol]

Surprisingly what is NOT present is the determination of whether or not the movie as it stands now is any good. This is the huge black hole at the center of this controversy.

By almost all accounts, the known footage ramps up the viewability ten-fold over Rise of Cobra, and the actoors have been very hopped up about the film when they could have just said nothing (press releases are more or less obligatory, but Tweets are not...).

Paramount is wise to consider that the box office will be diminished by Spiderman... that's actually something of a given... but the 3D thing is merely their own concern for their own pocketbooks, and they are saying as much.

It's doubtful that Channing Tatum is as significant as they make him out to be. Films don't get shut down frm release eleventh hour just because they don't have ENOUGH of one actor.

At any rate, the deed is done and we have to sit tight and wait... again... for Paramount to prove to us that they can make a good film. But from most of the comments I've read, and I wholeheartedly endorse them, I only care to see this in 2D.

[miragearmor]

All I wanna say is

Duke ≠ Optimus Prime.

And anyways, all the little kiddie TF fans complained so much about Optimus' write off that it forced Sunbow to change the storyline for the Joe movie back in '87.

Ain't it funny that those little kids who complained back then are now grown ups? I don't know if they'd want to look back and change something from the TF movie in '86, but they won't give a hoot either. I suppose that's life, like it or not. ;P

[VideoViper]

Its a movieverse, IMO Duke was never the Duke we know to begin with. Similar to Transformers re-using names but making charactors (TV shows & movies) much different from G1.

Tatum is back to be killed off & say this isn't ROC. Putting in more Tatum means Paramount wants this to be ROC. Paramount show some B@lls & kill off Duke.

[ljacone]

I'm cool with more Channing Tatum as Duke. Liked him in ROC and am looking forward to seeing him as the more seasoned Joe when Retaliation eventually hits.

[DetectiveFork]

WOW, that really needed spoiler warnings.

[rdodger]

I really don't understand the hatred for Duke/Channing Tatum. To each his own, but Duke has been a main character in the franchise since 1982. I really hope the writers and director rethink Duke's death over the next couple months. And Scarlet too? Really? Might as well kill off Snake Eyes too. With all of the problems this new movie apparantly has, killing off the face of the franchise doesn't seem like a good idea to me. And I like The Rock, but does making Roadblock the new team leader seem like a good idea? And become a ninja? Really? All the people clamoring for a return to the GI Joe we all know and love can't be liking these changes. We have an entire mythos already in place. Why reinvent GI Joe? I've been a fan since 1982 and I'm stunned.

[Jmacq1]

I'm calling this now:
"Secret" ending after the credit: Duke wakes up from a coma.

I have a feeling it's going to be much more than that. We may well be looking at a scenario where Duke is awkwardly forced into the entire narrative and we end up with a very different movie. Here's what I expect:

They'll manage to get Rock, Adrianne Palicki, and DJ Cotrona back so they can at least add Tatum to the "surviving Joes" roster in the desert ambush.

But I bet you'll never see him in the same shot with Bruce Willis unless he's digitally inserted. So many of Duke's scenes will seem like Hawkeye's cameo in Thor: Pretty obviously shot separately from the rest of the film.

I feel most sorry for DJ Cotrona. From the sounds of things, he was already getting the short end of the stick in terms of screentime and development, and I bet it gets cut even more to make room for additional Tatum-Duke.

Oh hey, and notice the one company that doesn't get mentioned at all in this article as far as the decision making process goes? Hasbro. Funny how people who write about the entertainment industry for a living actually have some understanding of how licensing deals work.

[c_money_collins]

You know, Korean Jesus says to give Tatum a chance! :shifty:

I dig that Duke might be back and have a bigger role. Him and Roadblock go way back in the comics. They are introduced firing on a Rattler at Gen. Flagg's funeral in issue #22. I think it's even the same panel.

That relationship would be great to see play out some.

[sbartek1974]

We don't get the movie we want, but did get several awesome action figures that kept a renewed interest in the line and got kids talking about GI Joe for future growth potential.

Yeah, as a matter of fact, yesterday I saw kids in Target and Walmart grabbing the GI Joe Retaliation figures, motorcycles, and role play masks. So the young interest is there.

[c_money_collins]

Yeah, as a matter of fact, yesterday I saw kids in Target and Walmart grabbing the GI Joe Retaliation figures, motorcycles, and role play masks. So the young interest is there.

I love this. This works! First the kids play and stuff. Then they see a movie is comign out and they go see it! Awesome! Evidently, Paramount ain't that stupid.

[Black Llama]

Well, a simple answer on Tatum. Female viewers. Here's a typical conversation regarding the GI Joe Movie:

Dude : "Oh, Sweet... Look honey, A G.I. Joe movie, lets go!"

Wife/Girlfriend : 'Why can't we go watch a romantic comedy together, you made me go see Avengers, Batman... etc"

Dude : "Umm... Channing Tatum is in it"

W/G : "I'll order the tickets online"

As much as a lot of folks didn't like him as Duke, apparently with the average audience (whom they use for screenings) he must have tested rather well.


*please note as I was unable to post the non-typical conversation due to forum policies.

[Ixz72]

Its a movieverse, IMO Duke was never the Duke we know to begin with. Similar to Transformers re-using names but making charactors (TV shows & movies) much different from G1.

I agree with this statement to a certain extent. Duke is a Sergeant not a Captain for God's sake. But I digress.

Because I am a GI Joe fan, I convinced myself that ROC was not bad. I caught about half of it on USA and then decided to watch the DVD and it was painful to admit but gawd, it was an awful movie.

For example, you have an ultra high tech equipment (accelerator suits) that you will use in preventing a terrorist attack and you send the two most junior members of the team to execute the mission? Seriously?

ROC left a sour taste in the mouths of most Joe fans. A live action Joe movie was something we asked for since the 80's and something that was some Hollywood director's vision was dumped in our laps and it was nowhere near what we wanted.

For this reason that I think HASBRO and Paramount tried to over compensate to try to win the fans back and support the movie. And killing "Duke" was probably one of the things they thought to do to make the fans happy.

I agree that Duke should have been played by another actor and Aaron Eckhart would have made a good Duke. But we are stuck with Tatum and hopefully he has learned to some extent the "art of acting". He was pretty good in 21 Jump Street.

[dpstro]

Honestly the only reason I didn't like Duke in this was because of his facial hair. The original cartoon he was one of my all time favorites even though he was always getting ganged up on by blue shirts.

[Steve T]

Guys, we need to get over Channing Tatum, he is here to stay. He has had a few successes this year, with more to come.

Sorry, but he's a popular actor right now.

[sbartek1974]

I love this. This works! First the kids play and stuff. Then they see a movie is comign out and they go see it! Awesome! Evidently, Paramount ain't that stupid.

Well, I wouldn't go as far as to say Paramount ain't that stupid. I'm just saying that eventhough without a cartoon and commericals and with a delayed movie the young interest is still there. I want to see the kids and adults buying up the toys.

[TK1945]

I'm not going to Joe-Con, but Paramount really needs to show the film there. With all of this bad press, it would help to get the fan community's response and feedback. Not some test audience.

[kneroh]

I think after the success and universal approval of 21 Jump Street, Tatum gotten some serious dude cred.

[Raw Dog]

I think that this is great news. I like Channing Tatum and Duke is my favorite character, so I'm glad Duke isn't getting killed in the movie and that CT will be in it more. Sounds like Retaliation is shaping up to be the blockbuster we all hope it will be.

[crock master]

As long as Duke still dies, they can drag it out a little.

well it is starting to look like he wont die, because he is a supposed star now

[blackman2005]

Are they going to reconsider that whole "Roadblock: Ultimate Ninja Commando" twist that was placed in the film? Hope so...

Also, I hate Tatum Duke and all the horrible figures we got for him under RoC, so killing him off was one of the reasons I wanted to see the film.

[darthmaul1]

They may not kill him but he could just disappear for the remainder of the movie and come back at the end, IF they want to. this way they would only have to film a scene at the begining and at the end.
But yes they need to show the movie at JOE-con or comic con to some actual NORMAL fans and NOT a bunch of NUT BAR fans. (you know the ones i mean? the ones that think all the joes should have their own costumes like they had in the cartoon.

[luigi]

gezzzz paramount is really out to kill GIJoe

[Azzurro21]

Channing Tatum is the worst excuse for an actor and should never have been involved with the GI Joe movies to begin with. I don't care how well The Vow and 21 Jump Street did, they are irrelevant to GI Joe and cater to much different audiences.

The only thing I agree with in this article is that Marvel's movies are unbeatable.

[sonoftimmy]

Agreed killing the main character of Duke is a bad idea. I like the idea of recasting Tatum because I never liked him as Duke. But, killing is just a bad idea and shows how out of touch this movie maybe with what GI Joe is. That and the overuse of ninja.

Hasbro needs a Marvel Studios type of control of their characters and story. Until then we will see movies that are more like X-men and Spiderman and less like Avengers and Iron Man. Basically movies that are not quite in touch with what the characters and story should be.

But, I hope for the best with this movie. They can always reboot in 2 or 3 years if it is bad.

[luigi]

I'm not going to Joe-Con, but Paramount really needs to show the film there. With all of this bad press, it would help to get the fan community's response and feedback. Not some test audience.
you know that they don't care about what we think
they only care about what the general public thinks
they also they seem care about the female general public

[luigi]

"Roadblock: Ultimate Ninja Commando"


that will kill the film if they keep that

[neapolitan joe]

Go to hell.
Learn how to make a movie.

[Onslaught Six]

The thing with Roadblock is obviously something that Hasbro invented for the toyline. Rock's interviews and IDW's comics make it clear that, at best, Roadblock got some ninja training from Snake Eyes--which probably amounts to stuff like beating the crap out of guys, and possibly some meditation techniques. (Roadblock hides at the bottom of a well for a while, doesn't he?)

[Grimwing]

Agreed killing the main character of Duke is a bad idea. I like the idea of recasting Tatum because I never liked him as Duke. But, killing is just a bad idea and shows how out of touch this movie maybe with what GI Joe is. That and the overuse of ninja.

Hasbro needs a Marvel Studios type of control of their characters and story. Until then we will see movies that are more like X-men and Spiderman and less like Avengers and Iron Man. Basically movies that are not quite in touch with what the characters and story should be.

But, I hope for the best with this movie. They can always reboot in 2 or 3 years if it is bad.


Killing duke, ironically would have been pretty shocking in the old Sunbow Gijoe Animated Movie if they went through with it. But that had two seasons of the series with Duke as team leader exposing the character to kids. Not saying it made duke a deep character or anything. Just saying that it really made an impact having him there for that time.

its an interesting parallel that their trying it with retaliation. But It does seem a bit lazy. Even worse if they keep it. Because I'll have that spoiler unavoidably months in advance.


But its pretty rational for Hasbro to let universal and paramount take the financial risk. Hasbro has Brands they don't have to license out from another party, like the marvel and star wars toys.
So they make maximum profit off toy sales. But despite how big they are. A single theatrical failure funded entirely by Hasbro would cripple the company right now. Their trying to grow and become big enough to do what Marvel Did.

If the movies damage the reputation of the brand. Hasbro has been known to actually prepare for that in what they follow the movie with. When the 2007 Transformers movie came out. Hasbro had been working with cartoon network on Transformers Animated simultaneously.
A completely opposite style to the movieverse. (As the fandom has pointed out at nauseum. ) Or with the Pursuit of Cobra line and GIJOE renegades being positive forces to gain retailer confidence again.
At least part of the reason for this. Was the considerable chance that the Transformers movie would flop and hurt the brand. So Animated would have been the other way of spinning things.

From where I sit. It seems both Animated and the movieverse had their measure of success.


The Advantage may very well lie in Hasbro useing this March Gijoe retaliation launch to promote something else GIjoe related from Hasbro Studios next year.

At a stretch Even integrating Elements of GIJOE retaliation into a Renegades Season 2 universe.

[kneroh]

you know that they don't care about what we think
they only care about what the general public thinks
they also they seem care about the female general public

Number of people in the general public + females > the number of internet GI Joe fanboys wanting them to reinvent 1986.

[Ixz72]

Number of people in the general public + females > the number of internet GI Joe fanboys wanting them to reinvent 1986.

What he said!!! Wait... what his EQUATION said!!!

[Jay West]

Fans can complain and moan all they want to, but it makes no sense to kill Duke. Why would you kill one of the major faces of the franchise for the past 30 years? It's not smart business. You have him retire, quit, get captured, etc so you can use him again if you need to...killing him is silly. Kill Ripcord, Heavy Duty, or Breaker. None of those are the faces of the franchise.


I hated Tatum as Duke, but he is a star now. So of course people are going to want to see more of him. It doesn't matter if we like him or his role in the first film.

[Jay West]

Number of people in the general public + females > the number of internet GI Joe fanboys wanting them to reinvent 1986.

And we can't keep the franchise alive. We need the general public to fund our hobby.

[CobraScream]

I like tatum as duke. Im the minority though lol

To be honest I could not sit and watch the Atrocity called Rise of Cobra as it was just hard to deal with at the time.

In every movie I have seen with him he has been a decent / good actor.

[SNAKE_EYES1975]

anyone surprised!? a never tested directer, and a toy company with out any vision what they want!?

its not hard to know what this all about,but hollywood is too stupid and greedy

Still nothing about the horrid screening reports, but the article leads on about it.

They still would never say that openly though..

[DavisT78]

I have several problems with Tatum playing Duke. Not the least of which is him saying he was against war and not a military supporter and yet he has played a soldier in like 15 movies. And I feel he is too young to be Duke. I was in the Army and I wouldn't follow him into the Motor Pool let alone a hot combat zone. But some of the blame I feel belongs to the screenwriters. Why make the First Sergeant a Major. It really didn't change things so why do it? I miss the days when Michael Biehn was the go to military guy. Now there is a Conrad Hauser I can believe in!

[flintshotduke]

As I suspected, they may not fes up to it, but I suspect that the pre-screenings went worse than they let on. Despite peoples high hopes, this movie was probably going to suck. So now they have until march to fix it, maybe Battleship failing finally scared some sense into Hasbrowood.

[Wylde Weezle]

Honestly, until I saw this I never thought they were going to actually kill Duke in Retaliation; maybe take him out of the action for the story, but have him stashed away recovering.
I'm actually surprised to read that they may have to shoot scenes that would resurrect him.
Well, damn. If you're going to bring back Channing Tatum and cause a 9 month delay, bring back his buddy Joseph Gordon-Levitt while you're at it for at least an unmasked cameo, maybe the voicework. His star is shining brighter after 50/50, Inception and now Dark Knight Rises.

[46 Zone]

These comments make it sound like GI joe doesn't have a big enough pair to step up to spiderman and other movies. I guess that is why they are going to 3D.

Let it sink in.

Haha.

[Lody]

Really? No, I mean REALLY???

You guys couldn't have put a spoiler alert on there or black tagged it?????????

[hotmitts]

Roadblock was only made head of GiJoe because they got the Rock, so it seems a bit drastic to kill off half the other Joe's based around that.

[Angry.Android]

Well, a simple answer on Tatum. Female viewers. Here's a typical conversation regarding the GI Joe Movie:

Dude : "Oh, Sweet... Look honey, A G.I. Joe movie, lets go!"

Wife/Girlfriend : 'Why can't we go watch a romantic comedy together, you made me go see Avengers, Batman... etc"

Dude : "Umm... Channing Tatum is in it"

W/G : "I'll order the tickets online"

As much as a lot of folks didn't like him as Duke, apparently with the average audience (whom they use for screenings) he must have tested rather well.


*please note as I was unable to post the non-typical conversation due to forum policies.

I demand an unrated directors cut!

Number of people in the general public + females > the number of internet GI Joe fanboys wanting them to reinvent 1986.

Your math is both sound and informative, but still less interesting than the asian school girl with the minigun coming out of her ass as seen below your post. Now, perhaps if we bump it 9 months, punch it up with some 3d overlay...maybe then it could be profitable?

Really? No, I mean REALLY???

You guys couldn't have put a spoiler alert on there or black tagged it?????????

were we spoiled? I must have missed it....

[Dem_Yoe'z!]

Duke getting killed off was one of the few things I was looking forward to in Retaliation

[Griff]

I think the CHARACTER Duke should survive...but I don't think tatertot should play the character (use this as an excuse for some facial reconstruction so Duke no longer looks like tatum....please). As far as 3D...I dont care really...I know I cannot watch 3D cause it causes serious me to get a serious migrane so if I see it in theaters it will be in the standard format

[Beckley]

Will "More Tatum!" be the new "More Cowbell?"

[shishi]

don't really get all the hate for tatum. sure he isn't a great actor, but what do you honestly and realistically expect in a gi joe movie? roc wasn't a very good film in my opinion, but for me that was due to the origin of cobra rather than specific actors. the fact that duke had a past with cc and baroness annoyed me, like everyone having a link to se bugged me in the marvel comic, in fact in terms of character tatum's duke was no worse than than the other versions of duke we have had.

[Griff]

Will "More Tatum!" be the new "More Cowbell?"

Oh Lord...I can just see Walken ina new Skit..."MORE TATUM!" :D

[Troops of Doom]

Kill Duke. He's the worst character in GI Joe, I don't understand the unholy obsession people have with him.

[Sniper 5]

Duke getting killed off was one of the few things I was looking forward to in Retaliation

^ THIS - in imax.

[Solrac333]

Whatever. I'm done with the movie. Was gonna see this month. Not gonna see it next year.

[Troops of Doom]

Duke getting killed off was one of the few things I was looking forward to in Retaliation

Duke getting his brains blown out in 3D would be awesome!

[Fox]

You can kill ROC Duke because ROC Duke has absolutely nothing in common with Everything else Duke.

[minstrelboy]

The Vow and 21 Jump Street were successes? I didn't even know they were movies before reading this article.

But this solidifies why I hate Hollywood so much; I DO NOT CARE who is in a film so long as they are competent and believable. There are films I won't see because a specific actor or actress is in it. The whole concept of stardom baffles me. A person portraying a character should have you believing they are who they are playing. When hype is built around such-and-such as a star, then even if they were good to begin with it just becomes a distraction in a good film. Gary Oldman is a good example of a modern 'master thespian.' Channing Tatum is the next Keanu Reeves.

[Rainbow Viper]

I really don't care either way if Duke lives or dies, I just hope that the movie ends up being good and it least warrants another sequel that won't take as long to make.

[Caravankidd]

If GI Joe 2 wasn't good enough to face off against other summer films like Spiderman then I'm not sure that more wooden acting by Channing Tatum will magically fix the movie in 9 months.

You also have to wonder if cocaine is back in style because Paramount has to be high. It's not like 3D makes you more outside of the US is breaking news. Other studios have known 3D pads the box office for some time now. It's not like Spiderman and Batman magically dropped into their release dates overnight either.

It sounds like Paramount has another dud and now they are attempting to find any way they can to get some of their investment back out of the film.

[245am]

Go to hell.
Learn how to make a movie.

Do they teach movie making in hell?


Number of people in the general public + females > the number of internet GI Joe fanboys wanting them to reinvent 1986.

And we can't keep the franchise alive. We need the general public to fund our hobby.

QFT x2

[Enigma2K2]

*quietly muches popcorn...*

In all seriousness, REALLY?!?!? The Rock, Snake Eyes, Storm Shadow, more ninjas, and BRUCE FRIGGIN' WILLIS AS JOE COLTON isn't enough to make it watchable?!?! they needed this Channing Tater guy seen here holding his cock?

Who was the focus group?!?! Pre-teen virgin girls?

[darthmaul1]

that will kill the film if they keep that

ummmm this may sound stupid but where is this roadblock ninja thing coming from??

[Xenos]

ummmm this may sound stupid but where is this roadblock ninja thing coming from??

The packaging for the movie toys. There's been no confirmation that he's a ninja in the movie at all.

[IIIzoeIII]

I really don't care to have duke be more important especially if that means that snake eyes might be getting pulled back a little..my whole appeal to this film was that snake eyes was stepping up..I just think it's really dumb killing duke off...it's already going to be strange having hawk gone..watch em take out the 20 minute fight scene. I was so psyched for that.

[darthmaul1]

I really don't care either way if Duke lives or dies, I just hope that the movie ends up being good and it least warrants another sequel that won't take as long to make.

3 years is a long time?? that is perfect! trust me you don't want a sequel to come out 2 years later otherwise we will end up the the craptacular transformers 2 & 3

[darthmaul1]

I really don't care to have duke be more important especially if that means that snake eyes might be getting pulled back a little..my whole appeal to this film was that snake eyes was stepping up..I just think it's really dumb killing duke off...it's already going to be strange having hawk gone..watch em take out the 20 minute fight scene. I was so psyched for that.

I serioulsy doubt IF they rewrite him into the movie it will be anything significant. he may live through the first strike and go to a hospital, then we see him at the end?
I don't recall anyone complaining that duke appeared to be gone in the trailers when the rock says we're all thats left.
Remember executive decision with kurt russell & steven segal. he was gone within the first 10min and that was great!! cause we didn't see it coming.

[Jaydubb]

That Hollywood Reporter article actually made me feel a lot better about things. I'm sure there will be people that are upset if Duke dies and others will be upset if he lives. Can't please everybody, so they are doing what they think is right. In the long run, it would be better for the franchise to have him there (whether he's played by Channing or not). Like many have already said, for better or worse, Duke is the face of GI JOE.

To me, the article makes the studio sound like a bunch of bumbling fools. They have moved a bunch of movies back and JOE just happens to be one of them. Sure it was only 5 weeks away, but essentially it's just one in a line of others moved back. I can't blame them for not wanting to go up against Spider-Man/Batman. Both of those are proven box office characters that audiences love. Unfortunately right now, GI JOE isn't. While we would all rather see Retaliation, that doesn't mean that the rest of the world feels the same. Add to that the major loss suffred by Battleship, they didn't really have any other choice.

It sucks, but I understand. Now I just hope that we get a good movie outta the deal.

[CrimsonGuard101]

That Hollywood Reporter article actually made me feel a lot better about things. I'm sure there will be people that are upset if Duke dies and others will be upset if he lives. Can't please everybody, so they are doing what they think is right. In the long run, it would be better for the franchise to have him there (whether he's played by Channing or not). Like many have already said, for better or worse, Duke is the face of GI JOE.

To me, the article makes the studio sound like a bunch of bumbling fools. They have moved a bunch of movies back and JOE just happens to be one of them. Sure it was only 5 weeks away, but essentially it's just one in a line of others moved back. I can't blame them for not wanting to go up against Spider-Man/Batman. Both of those are proven box office characters that audiences love. Unfortunately right now, GI JOE isn't. While we would all rather see Retaliation, that doesn't mean that the rest of the world feels the same. Add to that the major loss suffred by Battleship, they didn't really have any other choice.

It sucks, but I understand. Now I just hope that we get a good movie outta the deal.


Well then if Duke is the FACE of Gi Joe...can we kill off Snake Eyes then..? I have enough figures of him and I dont wanna keep exponentially increasing every Duke figure by 2 or 3 Snake Eyes figures...And while were at it how about we kill off Storm Shadow too>? If Channing Tatumn is better hen both Ray Park and Le Brung Haiwhatshisname...then no ones gonna care right?

[Python_Puckman]

I wonder if any of the other Joes from ROC get a cameo in the movie since they all apparently kick the bucket. Let's see, Breaker, Scarlet, Hawk, Stone... who else am I missing?

[CrimsonGuard101]

I wonder if any of the other Joes from ROC get a cameo in the movie since they all apparently kick the bucket. Let's see, Breaker, Scarlet, Hawk, Stone... who else am I missing?

Rex...oh gawd rex...and that freakzoid mindbender they had in the bunker...you think Joseph Gordon Levitt is being called in for the 3d reshoot? What about Vosloo and Sienna Miller? Ecolosn too maybe for some terrible CGI Destro mask in 3d in your face redonculousness? Tehy could always bring back Cover Girl with some nanomites in 3d too...

[darthmaul1]

I wonder if any of the other Joes from ROC get a cameo in the movie since they all apparently kick the bucket. Let's see, Breaker, Scarlet, Hawk, Stone... who else am I missing?

Maybe they are on holidays? and didn't take their cell phones?
For me ALL the joes besides Snake eyes are a dime a dozen.
so i could care less if any of them survive cause there are sooo many others to take their place. they are just soldiers to me.
and as for cobra you need storm shadow, & cobra commander & destro & zartan i guess

[CrimsonGuard101]

Maybe they are on holidays? and didn't take their cell phones?
For me ALL the joes besides Snake eyes are a dime a dozen.
so i could care less if any of them survive cause there are sooo many others to take their place. they are just soldiers to me.
and as for cobra you need storm shadow, & cobra commander & destro & zartan i guess

You dont even need them really, you could kill off CC and use Fred, Serpentor or Krakewhatshisface from the new comics...there is ALWAYS someone else in the Joe verse to take anyones spot...I dont see anyone complaining about Abraham Lincoln being some lame ass vamprie slayer lol...I can not beleive they would take such an iconic president and make him a Vampire Slayer...how could that movie even made it past a test screening, much less the production studio>? it is bEYOND nonsensical..

[Python_Puckman]

Rex...oh gawd rex...and that freakzoid mindbender they had in the bunker...you think Joseph Gordon Levitt is being called in for the 3d reshoot? What about Vosloo and Sienna Miller? Ecolosn too maybe for some terrible CGI Destro mask in 3d in your face redonculousness? Tehy could always bring back Cover Girl with some nanomites in 3d too...

Oh yeah, forgot Heavy Doodie. Yeah... Rex. I bet they CG Levitt's face onto a stand-in just long enough for him to put on that killer CC helmet Haha!

Maybe they are on holidays? and didn't take their cell phones?
For me ALL the joes besides Snake eyes are a dime a dozen.
so i could care less if any of them survive cause there are sooo many others to take their place. they are just soldiers to me.
and as for cobra you need storm shadow, & cobra commander & destro & zartan i guess

Sounds like you can scratch Destro off that list. Destro is as crucial to GI Joe as Cobra Commander is. How can they simply nix him? ugh.

[Python_Puckman]

...I dont see anyone complaining about Abraham Lincoln being some lame ass vamprie slayer lol...I can not beleive they would take such an iconic president and make him a Vampire Slayer...how could that movie even made it past a test screening, much less the production studio>? it is bEYOND nonsensical..

What's THIS now? I might actually pay to see that! LOL!

[Raysohood]

Honestly, until I saw this I never thought they were going to actually kill Duke in Retaliation; maybe take him out of the action for the story, but have him stashed away recovering.
I'm actually surprised to read that they may have to shoot scenes that would resurrect him.
Well, damn. If you're going to bring back Channing Tatum and cause a 9 month delay, bring back his buddy Joseph Gordon-Levitt while you're at it for at least an unmasked cameo, maybe the voicework. His star is shining brighter after 50/50, Inception and now Dark Knight Rises.

I wouldn't people surprise. They were seen party the other day at the LA King game.

Seriously, i think some are over reacting. I doubt they are going to re added to the whole movie. The most they could do is
1. Have Him pop up in the end and help fight the bad guys.

2. Have him Capture throughout the film while the other joes try to save him.

3. Have him injured or coma. Have Ripcord and Scarlet look over him( Wishful thinking I just want Scarlet back).

According to E, Tatum wanted his role reduce that is the only reason he sign on so i doubt they are going to ask more of him unless they are willing to give him $$$$$$$.

[CrimsonGuard101]

What's THIS now? I might actually pay to see that! LOL!

uhh have at it big boy lol

Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter Official Trailer #1 - (2012) HD Movie - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXulj8Lgcyg)

[thineownself]

so....they want more bromance preceding Duke's death? was their test audience the factory workers at Hallmark?
Put Scarlett in it. If they REALLY polled people, everyone would have said this.
Battleship blew up because it sucked. Studios need better writing not all these marketers and their grand ideas.

[thecrimsonpool]

I dont see anyone complaining about Abraham Lincoln being some lame ass vamprie slayer lol...I can not beleive they would take such an iconic president and make him a Vampire Slayer...how could that movie even made it past a test screening, much less the production studio>? it is bEYOND nonsensical..

its based on a series of books

[Sniper 5]

Sienna Miller in full Baroness character: POLLING. MY. POLE. In IMAX 3-D. March 2013.

[jmlawn]

NOOOOOOOO! Get rid of Channing Tatum, that guy does not carry the Duke Character at all, kill him off & bring a new Duke in Joe 3. Really guys, 21 jumpstreet was a factor in this decision? Oh god just release Joe 2 direct to dvd & call it a day, this just all sounds F%#ked now.

[theredshark]

This makes no sense!!! Didn't they consider the fact that Battleship came out before the Avengers (internationally)? and after The avengers in the U.S. Did they think they were gonna dethrone The Avengers?

[Syn3sthesia]

Cheers and Yo Joe everybody!

[crimsonguard19]

Sam Worthington was originally cast to play Duke. If Avatar hadn't gone over schedule, we wouldn't be discussing Tatum at all...

[CrimsonGuard101]

Sam Worthington was originally cast to play Duke. If Avatar hadn't gone over schedule, we wouldn't be discussing Tatum at all...

That would have been awesome...way to go James Cameron! now it is just not Sommers fault its Cameron's fault too! BURN HIM BURRRRNN HIM!

[Duke_Hauser]

Well I will not be spending money on this POS. They killed Duke and are doing reshoots so he has more screen time with The Rock for their friendship to develop. Jon Chu congrats on ruinning GI Joe for me by killing the entire cast of the first movie.

It's gonna suck look at the toys:
"GI Joe is the world's greatest special-ops fighting force with top-secret ninja training from the toughest masters. Led by ultimate ninja commando Roadblock, these elite heroes defend the globe from the evil forces of COBRA."

That is just absolute horse##** it's not GI Joe anymore it's Ninja Force, ALL THE JOES ARE DEAD. To top it off the new leader is a 6' plus black guy who is now "the ultimate ninja commando", how the hell is Roadblock considered and ultimate ninja over Snake Eyes or Storm Shadow? I'm gonna boycott this abortion unless I read they fixed it during reshoots.

[thecrimsonpool]

Sam Worthington was originally cast to play Duke.

wow that would have been afful : S

[Raysohood]

NOOOOOOOO! Get rid of Channing Tatum, that guy does not carry the Duke Character at all, kill him off & bring a new Duke in Joe 3. Really guys, 21 jumpstreet was a factor in this decision? Oh god just release Joe 2 direct to dvd & call it a day, this just all sounds F%#ked now.

http://i46.tinypic.com/a4o7q1.gif


Give this dude a chance. He already look ten times better in trailer than part 1. 21 jump street made me like him that movie was hilarious.

Sam Worthington was originally cast to play Duke.

Oh Man. I dont like him but he is not that bad. I liked him terminator.

[CrimsonGuard101]

Give this dude a chance. He already look ten times better in trailer than part 1. 21 jump street made me like him that movie was hilarious.



Oh Man. I dont like him but he is not that bad. I liked him terminator.

So your saying he will make good comedic relief? Wow if thats where duke has to go to reach the masses...were in for some real garbage lol...he had his CHANCE in the first film and blew it..how could he possibley redeem himself in the second? ..I dont see Duke as a comedian...

[Raysohood]

So your saying he will make good comedic relief? Wow if thats where duke has to go to reach the masses...were in for some real garbage lol...he had his CHANCE in the first film and blew it..how could he possibley redeem himself in the second? ..I dont see Duke as a comedian...

Ahh No. All I'm saying He has Improve since GI Joe. Maybe people should give him a shot to redeem himself. The Director is at fault too. He was the one who let tatum at liek a fool. People actually think the 1st film was bad because are kinda losing. Yeah He didnt help the film but the movie itself was horrible. Everybody was horrible(I still enjoyed it)

This is Another reason to hate the dude. Deadline Also reports the Movie was bad It tested Badly with audience yet nobody focusing on that just on ex stripper dude.

I think People were are just over reacting. Like i stated Before I dont believe they are going to reshoot him for the entire scene. He probably be injured, capture or help at the end. Tatum wanted a reduce role how is him returning to be in the whole film reduce?

[Crazy Legs]

Aaaaand this movie starts to suck right abooooouuuuuuuuuu
uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuutttttt...........
.........NOW!

The fans will never have a GI JOE movie with the way the studios are handling this. There is absolutely no F'ing way that this is nothing but women complaining about this. No way. So they are, of course, going to hit that demo.

If i was the Rock i wouldnt come back for re-shoots if they are going to flip the movie around from Rockblock being main character to Duke being main character. And i actually hope this happens.

I'll just wait for the "Original Cut" to come out on DVD.

[Boodro]

I didn’t have a problem with Jon Chu up until now. Did it bother me that he directed ‘Step Up 2’ and that Justin Bieber movie? Not really. The fact that he is such a ‘big fan’ of the G.I.JOE franchise really impressed me. When the question of whether or not Duke [Channing Tatum] lives in ‘Retaliation’, Chu replied to the context of “G.I.JOE has always been full of surprises [not really] so expect the unexpected.” So, if by the 2 trailers everyone saw and assumed Duke would die since he’s hardly in any of the scenes, that’s so surprising there, Mr. Chu. You really fooled us there.

I don’t get why Hasbro would allow Duke to be killed off. He’s considered a fan favorite, even though many don’t care for the character. In 1987’s animated movie, they were originally going to kill off Duke in the movie. However, the heavy backlash that followed 1986’s animated ‘Transformers’ concerning the death of Optimus Prime, they let Duke come out of a coma by the end of the movie. Has Hasbro not learned anything in 26 years?! I guess not, since they allowed Michael bay to kill off Prime again in 2009’s ‘Revenge of the Fallen’.
WTF. [/inner geek fanboy rant]

[thineownself]

They may not kill him but he could just disappear for the remainder of the movie and come back at the end, IF they want to. this way they would only have to film a scene at the begining and at the end.
But yes they need to show the movie at JOE-con or comic con to some actual NORMAL fans and NOT a bunch of NUT BAR fans. (you know the ones i mean? the ones that think all the joes should have their own costumes like they had in the cartoon.

Sometimes I feel like a Nut Bar (sometimes I don't) because I want to see a guy in a naval costume with a parrot. I really do

[CrimsonGuard101]

Ahh No. All I'm saying He has Improve since GI Joe. Maybe people should give him a shot to redeem himself. The Director is at fault too. He was the one who let tatum at liek a fool. People actually think the 1st film was bad because are kinda losing. Yeah He didnt help the film but the movie itself was horrible. Everybody was horrible(I still enjoyed it)

This is Another reason to hate the dude. Deadline Also reports the Movie was bad It tested Badly with audience yet nobody focusing on that just on ex stripper dude.

I think People were are just over reacting. Like i stated Before I dont believe they are going to reshoot him for the entire scene. He probably be injured, capture or help at the end. Tatum wanted a reduce role how is him returning to be in the whole film reduce?

Paramount dosent want him in a reduced role now. they Want people who love him in theatre seats. So they toss another 20 million to tatum to get him to come back for some reshoots...you think he would turn down more money? lol..thats all he is about...he dosent care about Gi Joe...and not doing it out of the kindness of his heart...

[Raysohood]

Paramount dosent want him in a reduced role now. they Want people who love him in theatre seats. So they toss another 20 million to tatum to get him to come back for some reshoots...you think he would turn down more money? lol..thats all he is about...he dosent care about Gi Joe...and not doing it out of the kindness of his heart...

Aint Nobody going to turn down that money. I wouldn't.

The Only people I blame is Paramount.

[JoeMama]

I think this is it. I may be done with this.
With everything.
GI Joe has been testing my resolve with the line, and killing Duke (Tatum) went a long way towards resolidifying this movie as being potentially great.
Than the lousy toys came.
Than Roadblock as a ninja.
Than the delay.
Now Tatum is likely still alive.
I get it.
My childhood is over.
Let it bleed on the concrete.
F#$kers.

[thineownself]

After reading all the articles and comment-posts, I believe I come full circle to believe the minority: Paramount did test audiences....and they think the movie itself sucks. They want revenue of some kind and are desperately grasping at Channing's (temporary) popularity and the embrace of 3D w/ international audiences.
The THING IS.....the movie might not suck TO US. Chu says he is a fan so he may be so 'inside' this movie that a general audience isn't going to get it. How well has any movie featuring ninjas done? I think the trailer looked amazing! Even ROC's trailer was weak.

[Starfighter]

I think this is it. I may be done with this.
With everything.
GI Joe has been testing my resolve with the line, and killing Duke (Tatum) went a long way towards resolidifying this movie as being potentially great.
Than the lousy toys came.
Than Roadblock as a ninja.
Than the delay.
Now Tatum is likely still alive.
I get it.
My childhood is over.
Let it bleed on the concrete.
F#$kers.

Is that pound sign supposed to be a "u" and the dollar sign supposed to be either a "c" or "k"? Should there be another sign too? Man, this is confusing. BTW, I cannot stand that Roadrock is a ninja. I suspect that it will be non-canon like RoC is considered in a few years anyway. Much like the Bayformers are to Transformers.

[sonoftimmy]

Sam Worthington was originally cast to play Duke. If Avatar hadn't gone over schedule, we wouldn't be discussing Tatum at all...

Didn't know this. He would have been much better as Duke. How do you go from Sam to Tatum? They must have been desperate.

[boff123]

they delayed the movie because of mumbles aka channing? really!? the 3-D aspect makes more sense especially if they take in triple the money.

[Sgt Humpty]

Personally I wasn't a fan of Tatum as Duke in ROC, but at no point did I really think it was a good idea, or even an option to kill him off. I mean, it's Duke! They were gonna do it in the 80's and found out what a dumb idea that was, so why would they do it now just to kill almost all relation to the last film? I hope they don't kill him off now. I'd really prefer to see him come out of his signature coma.

QFT. I couldn't have said it better. Like it or not, Duke is a core character. For many people, he is THE core character. I dislike Tatum, but I'd rather see him in a reduced role than see Duke killed off. And I've never been a big Duke supporter, either.

[Ford]

I agree, I think if anything, the movie catered too much to Joe fans. Nobody else will get it.

I'm still a fan of G.I. Joe and I still think I'll like this movie. I'll be paying to see it in 3D come March.

...but it's the fans that are making me question my desire to count myself as one of them. The raging mob thing just makes us all look bad.

[CrimsonGuard101]

I agree, I think if anything, the movie catered too much to Joe fans. Nobody else will get it.

I'm still a fan of G.I. Joe and I still think I'll like this movie. I'll be paying to see it in 3D come March.

...but it's the fans that are making me question my desire to count myself as one of them. The raging mob thing just makes us all look bad.

The same movie goers your referring to didn't "get" ROC (nor like it) either so what is there to loose to making it something the fans can enjoy?

[cobra_temple]

I didn't mind Channing Tatum in the first movie, so if he comes back, I have no problem with that. I'm just glad that Marlon Wayans is gone.

[CrimsonGuard101]

I didn't mind Channing Tatum in the first movie, so if he comes back, I have no problem with that. I'm just glad that Marlon Wayans is gone.

careful..they might find a way to bring him back and make him 3d to boot...lol

[Ford]

Because they won't enjoy it. Or they won't admit that they do. ROC was a G.I. Joe movie in every way, shape or form. The plot would have fit right in with anything in the comics or cartoon. The fans want the Joe movie they imagine in their mind, and that movie varies with every individual fan. They're impossible to please. Some want every actor to look exactly like his figure did in the 80's, and no deviation from that look is acceptable. Yet the Batman, Avengers and X-Men fans are more accepting of the movies they get, and those properties are much more well known.

Plus, Paramount and Hasbro are charities whose sole function is to give a handful of longtime fans exactly what they want. They're in business to make money. And you do that by appealing to the broadest spectrum of customers possible.

[cobracobra]

I am not sure what the benefit of telling everyone Duke dies. I am not sure why they had to ruin a movie they weren't going to put it out.

[thineownself]

i agree- i didn't know Duke died from the trailer. THIS site told me Duke died. I think it is weird that the studio said it. That is like Hollywood Pictures saying 'we are delaying The Sixth Sense to retool Bruce Willis' death.' (and sorry if i spoiled that 13 year old movie for you).

[SunDown]

This WHOLE thing is so absolutely lame. They are just coming out and admitting that think their movie sucks and won't be able to compete with the good movies coming out this summer. Is making the movie 3-D going to make it suck any less. Certainly not in my book!

[Fierce Krypton]

Honestly I have been saying for the last 5 years that Hasbro is a terrible company because they are unable to make everything hit at the same time! The tv show was canceled by the time the figures hit stores, the movie figures never got past wave 2 until every bit of interest was gone, est est.... maybe this could be a good thing maybe for the first time ever they will do a good job with proper hype, figures hitting(sooner than 3 weeks before launch hopefully), comics hitting, and then a good movie release with consistent toy waves hitting for a year after.... one can dream.

[Fierce Krypton]

PS I think its hilarious that Tatum continues to ruin the movie even when they kill him off hahaha.

[Trigue]

This is awsome, the same thing that kept the 87 movie out of theaters is keeping this one out too. lol some things never change. I guess they'll edit in a radio message at the end that says Duke just came out of a coma and made a complete recovery...and in 3D!!

[ThreeHGame]

I did not think it could or would happen, but it has. I no longer care about the movie, or who could be to blame. The director and his so called lack of experience, the studio for their lack of faith, the actors and their lack of ability, the toys for their lack of salability or the test screeners for their stupidity. This movie is now as pointless to me as the first was.

[dmizrok]

Fuck it, at least i can go see TED that weekend.

[gruppenfuhrer88]

Duke dies huh? I must remain steadfast and get the pirated version over the summer before the 3d version changes the outcome and makes him live forever. Wow that was a long sentence, sorry.

[Clobbertron]

That is quite the spoiler.

[GrapeSoda]

I did not think it could or would happen, but it has. I no longer care about the movie, or who could be to blame. The director and his so called lack of experience, the studio for their lack of faith, the actors and their lack of ability, the toys for their lack of salability or the test screeners for their stupidity. This movie is now as pointless to me as the first was.

these are my sentiments, exactly.

[morgencross]

Couldn't they have just have just made Duke go into a coma? Then say he's gonna be O.K. at the end.

[DarkHorse]

I'll still watch it. I'll probably have more money in 9 months so it's actually better for me.

[CrimsonGuard101]

Couldn't they have just have just made Duke go into a coma? Then say he's gonna be O.K. at the end.

I still think Duke's whole demies is not the real reason for the delay. They are shooting a few additioanl screens to connect him and Roadblock more and I bet he still dies. i think what they had issues with is how Roadblock and Duke were such buddies as protrayed in what we have seen so far int he trailers. It probabley just jumps into that scene where roadblock wants Duke to sit the kids and then he dies and everyone wants them to spend hours explaining that back story of how they became buds instead of Duke/Ripcord buddie bizness from the first film. They apparently got ROC appologists to watch the screener and thus this is why they were so confused. apparently it wasnt sold to the screeners as "slight continuation and reboot" movie. They probably missrepresented it as a full blown sequal and that is why the screeners felt it was nonsensical and whacked out...since they were expecting the story to pick right up where it left off which was not Jon Chu's plan...totally confusing them.

[SNAKE_EYES1975]

What did this guy do to you though? really you hate him lol. I understanding the acting but the person. Have u met him

Who likes Channing Tatum? He can't act. Well he can act just one type - Channing Tatum type. He's your private dancer. A dancer for money. He'll do what you want him to do.

His success is connected only parts he gets. You can take the fattest and uglist actor stick him as the boy friend in a chick flick and you'll have another Channing Tatum. Women are suckers for those movies.

Do they really think a refocus on a Duke's and Roadblock romance in 3D is gonna help? I hope the reshoots include a scene where Roadblock has to leave Duke in the rain and Duke says "I'll be waiting for you."

^^^THANK YOU^^^

Tater is a chick flick hero, tossed into a action movie.

Some of the best actors ever have made their name by taking a dump movie, and turning into greatness just by making the character.

example Clint Eastwood. Most of his early stuff was very low budget, most of the time he wasnt 1st pick for the film...Yet he would OWN it. Numerous other examples, such as Terminator, First Blood/Rocky, McQueen..

If This tatum guy, I never know what is his first name..channing or tatum... was a GREAT actor, he would have made the 1st movie something else than it was.

One actor can do it, it has been done. And when it does happen, those actors are usually set for life with the career. Except when you pull a Mel Gibson (I still love that guy)

This is all just an executive decision by people who used to run profit margins promoted to making decisions on "what makes money in the business" and now its really come down to nothing groundbreaking, just satisfying returns. Duke should have been a big guy, Tall, Older veteran than can inspire shaken troops and single handely kuckle whip 5 Alley Vipers, All While Saying the Obligatory Cheesy "YOOOOOOOOO JOEEE!"

If something like that happened in a Joe movie, That scene would be 25% of everyones sig on here, revered as the "Prime vs Megatron" fight scene in the 86 transformers movie, and had people in the theater, INCLUDING GRANDMA, fist pumpin "Yo Joes" everytime it was yelled.

Eat shit. An 80's based Joe movie would be perfect for this time, Could have made the 1st movie JUST about Issue #1 rescuing Burkheart, Just update it, Then the next movie take it to character set ups, leading to the assault on spring field or cobra island.

[CrimsonGuard101]

^^^THANK YOU^^^

Tater is a chick flick hero, tossed into a action movie.

Some of the best actors ever have made their name by taking a dump movie, and turning into greatness just by making the character.

example Clint Eastwood. Most of his early stuff was very low budget, most of the time he wasnt 1st pick for the film...Yet he would OWN it. Numerous other examples, such as Terminator, First Blood/Rocky, McQueen..

If This tatum guy, I never know what is his first name..channing or tatum... was a GREAT actor, he would have made the 1st movie something else than it was.

One actor can do it, it has been done. And when it does happen, those actors are usually set for life with the career. Except when you pull a Mel Gibson (I still love that guy)

This is all just an executive decision by people who used to run profit margins promoted to making decisions on "what makes money in the business" and now its really come down to nothing groundbreaking, just satisfying returns. Duke should have been a big guy, Tall, Older veteran than can inspire shaken troops and single handely kuckle whip 5 Alley Vipers, All While Saying the Obligatory Cheesy "YOOOOOOOOO JOEEE!"

If something like that happened in a Joe movie, That scene would be 25% of everyones sig on here, revered as the "Prime vs Megatron" fight scene in the 86 transformers movie, and had people in the theater, INCLUDING GRANDMA, fist pumpin "Yo Joes" everytime it was yelled.

Eat shit. An 80's based Joe movie would be perfect for this time, Could have made the 1st movie JUST about Issue #1 rescuing Burkheart, Just update it, Then the next movie take it to character set ups, leading to the assault on spring field or cobra island.

This got me all sorts of pumped up but then i remembered that all the screeners would find it "nonsensical" because they wont know how it started, why are they attacking cobra, where did everyone come from, why are they friends, are they at odds with each other, who is dating who, who got so and so pregnanet, did scarlett really do it with that guy omg!?..etc etc...

[Raysohood]

I still think Duke's whole demies is not the real reason for the delay. They are shooting a few additioanl screens to connect him and Roadblock more and I bet he still dies. i think what they had issues with is how Roadblock and Duke were such buddies as protrayed in what we have seen so far int he trailers. It probabley just jumps into that scene where roadblock wants Duke to sit the kids and then he dies and everyone wants them to spend hours explaining that back story of how they became buds instead of Duke/Ripcord buddie bizness from the first film. They apparently got ROC appologists to watch the screener and thus this is why they were so confused. apparently it wasnt sold to the screeners as "slight continuation and reboot" movie. They probably missrepresented it as a full blown sequal and that is why the screeners felt it was nonsensical and whacked out...since they were expecting the story to pick right up where it left off which was not Jon Chu's plan...totally confusing them.

Thank You. 3d and Tatum are the only excuse. The Movie itself is poorly tested. Poor Movie with box office competition is no good. The 3d is excuse for them to fix the mistake that gone wrong. With these reshoot they can add more of tatum(Which they already stated they did) So I doubt they going to change the film.

[jim0680]

funny i signed on to post that my sons high school art teacher told them all this. he follows hollywood closely so i dont know if he read what we just did or heard it somewhere else . none of us bought the 3d thing from the beginning.

[YoungPrime]

I hate channing tatum so f-ing much! Wtf is he even doing in the movie? They could of had anyone else to play duke and they picked this f-ing guy. I didnt even by the duke action figure cause it looks to much like this STAFF EDIT

LOL if you think this has to do with "channing tatum" as much as it has to with with these Joe films being terrible as a whole. The acting, script, plot, editing and effects were all HORRIBLE!!!

Paramount knew by looking at the numbers of Battleship and John Carter that this sequel wouldn't do well.

Why?

Because there's only so many crappy movies that will get a pass this Summer. And with an actually good movie (Avengers) leading the march this time around, it's not likely that mainstream is going settle for a dumb shoot'em up after the fact...Otherwise Battleship would've done better.

Hell they could just go see Avengers again if they wish the blow money.

So despite all the "ROC" advocates who actually liked that last film, Paramount didn't kid themselves in realizing that they had "Sucker Punch" quality franchise on their hands. And with Battleship and John Carter fitting in that same category and bombing as well, pushing it back was the smartest thing they've done with this franchise lately.

[CG82]

If Ted and Magic Mike are hits and Retaliation when it opens next year in march is a bomb, I dont expect another GI JOE movie for another decade or more,lol.

3 weeks of "reshoots" and "3D conversion for overseas chances for profit" just doesnt cut it. There will likely be major reshoots like 2-3 months worth.

[Enigma2K2]

http://i46.tinypic.com/a4o7q1.gif


Give this dude a chance. He already look ten times better in trailer than part 1. 21 jump street made me like him that movie was hilarious.



Oh Man. I dont like him but he is not that bad. I liked him terminator.

Hasn't he technically already had TWO chances already? And You say this after posting that gif? If anything, that'll make people want to tell him to f*** off. And I wonder what they'll say to YOU afterwards because of it?

[Raysohood]

Hasn't he technically already had TWO chances already? And You say this after posting that gif? If anything, that'll make people want to tell him to f*** off. And I wonder what they'll say to YOU afterwards because of it?

Dude, the Gif Was Joke Is not that serious. Sorry if I offended anyone

What is the second chance? We have yet seen the film. If He is horrible this than the first then I can understand.

[CG82]

I think what the test screenings are saying is that only Duke and Roadblock were likeable outve the main characters(GI JOE team), that they liked them together as leader and sidekick and the chemistry/charisma they shared online(guess like buddy cop flicks type of a thing) and that when he died it was a shocker and they(the audience) booed and didnt like it. Duke/Tatum may of been very likable to the audience and maybe even some suits agreed.

If reports on Flint are correct, then this actor/character will be worse than Duke in ROC. He seems to be coming off as a Sean William Scott type of character/actor, just probably the pretty boy wise ass little dickhead . Lady Jaye may be equally bad, she may be like a cheap michelle rodriguez clone playing the nasty attitude butch .

If the reports are true, then nobody really liked any of the main leads and characters and the only ones that worked were Duke and Roadblock.

Duke will open up as the team leader and seem as the glue to team he's leading and then when he dies the movie loses its main star(of the last movie)and important character in both the mythos and fanbase. Duke's character in the movie may be more experienced from the last movie so the character may be alot more likable and heroic, and maybe even the actor that played him matured some too.

[jim0680]

How could chu think killing a major character like duke was good idea. Was scarlett killed too. Maybe snake is next

[skinny]

I have never liked death in GIJOE, ever, but to be honest in my opinion (figured I better make that clear) IF Duke is going to die it had dang well better be a shock. If you can elicit an emotional response from your audience then that is good writing.
The Rock and anyone in the wrestling industry could attest to this; as getting "heat" in wrestling whether a heel or a hero is a good thing and will further your career.
Harrison Ford had no interest in returning, unless Han died. Good thing actors don't dictate what happens in films either.

That is the Hollywood curse, and one of the reasons Spielberg and Lucas made their own production houses. They wanted to get away from the control and money grubbing of Hollywood execs. If you bow to the whim of your audience you have no self integrity.
Hate what I write or love what I write, if I elicit an emotion be it tears or laughs or rage or disbelief then I have accomplished what I set out to do.

"I'm not going to write you a love song just because you asked for it " catchy song but it also illustrates that good writing can't be forced.

I have a question for us to ponder,
if GIJOE was a concept and story that drew us to it and we loved it with no origin until issue 26 and no origin at all in the cartoon (just another character saying their name), then why can't others today just jump in and enjoy it?
If they like a character what is so wrong with just liking what they see in that moment? Must every detail be spoonfed to the audience? Is society really that vapid and lazy?
Where is the imagination?

[skinny]

when I say jump in and enjoy it, I mean come along for the ride, not necessarily carbon copy the 80's Joe.

[sn8ke3y3s]

Well if the rumors are true that the movie didn't test well- maybe it's time that Retaliation just gets released direct to Blu-Ray and call this version of G.I.Joe quits! Maybe Marvel Studios needs to buy back the rights to the franchise and do the movies based closer to the RAH comics. The problem I said all along with Retaliation is that it was a sequel to Rise of Cobra. Hasbro should have just re-booted from the start...

[thecrimsonpool]

I have never liked death in GIJOE

if there is no death or consequences to an action than the audience will not care about the characters or the plot. who would go see a 007 movie where they knew everyone would make it out alive?

Harrison Ford had no interest in returning, unless Han died. Good thing actors don't dictate what happens in films either.

actually that was a good idea, just like when Ford changed his line right before he was about to be frozen in carbonite from "i love you too" to "i know", that was smart because it was in keeping with the character. Actors can have great ideas that can help the film. Ending Return of the Jedi with all the main characters making it out alive and posing for a picture that nobody took was corny and cheep. Im with Ford and saying Han should have died (and i love Han Solo)

[CG82]

yea, well a complete recast wouldve been ideal and new storyline that was both quality and closer to the original ARAH mythos.

But since it was a sequel, they couldve had a quality script and director to help insure a quality movie and not have the faults of its predecessor.

But to be honest, most reboots and remakes are inferior, even when compared to most sequels being inferior the originals.

[skinny]

if there is no death or consequences to an action than the audience will not care about the characters or the plot. who would go see a 007 movie where they knew everyone would make it out alive?



actually that was a good idea, just like when Ford changed his line right before he was about to be frozen carbonite from "i love you too" to "i know", that was smart because it was in keeping with the character. Actors can have great ideas that can help the film. Ending Return of the Jedi with all the main characters making it out alive and posing for a picture that nobody took was corny and cheep. Im with Ford and saying Han should have died (and i love Han Solo)

GIJOE is first and foremost a kids property James Bond is not, and yes I know death has been in the comics, however, it has never set well with me, Joes to me are like the Punisher, they are a super hero but just dont have powers, their powers are their skills.
and when Doc took a bullet between the eyes it hit me hard back then, which I am sure is exactly what Hama wanted. to elicit an emotional response.
you have an audience that has grown up and they want to apply the adult likes and tastes to what is foremost a kid's property.
alcohol, death/extreme violence, sex, profanity, etc, all adult themes that were taboo in a kids property.
I see them in some fanfics and fanfilms and they just seem wrong or out of place to me.


yes actors can have good ideas, such as the "i know" line.
Scripts used to be "locked" and there was no deviation on set. In that particular case Irvin Kershner vs George Lucas ...Empire Strikes Back Shot as Written - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R66FvPTj2Yw) check out Irving Kershner's commentary) the "I love you too" line was taking take after take after take, and finally Kershner told him to act naturally

[CrimsonGuard101]

yea, well a complete recast wouldve been ideal and new storyline that was both quality and closer to the original ARAH mythos.

But since it was a sequel, they couldve had a quality script and director to help insure a quality movie and not have the faults of its predecessor.

But to be honest, most reboots and remakes are inferior, even when compared to most sequels being inferior the originals.

yeah lets just reboot it bring back all of the characters and actors form the first film, get Sommers back in the directors chair and let the Black Eyed peas make the soundtrack. Let marlwana wayanes ham it up again and lets just call it what everyone one wants it to be GI JOE 2: The Reunion....and of course no one dies and everyone drinks Tab ad Tang shots and its justa good old fun time down at the good old popcorn movie factory tonight......

[thecrimsonpool]

Joes to me are like the Punisher, they are a super hero but just dont have powers, their powers are their skills.

First i would like to say thanks for the mature response, and for the video link, i have never seen that video before, thank you.

but when you say that the JOE's to you were like the Punisher im a little confused? The Punisher is violent, how can you compare the two than say GI JOE should not be violent?

[Kipla]

Retaliation should have just took a cue from Marvel's Hulk reboot back in 2008.

Simply present the character and cast, albeit being played with all new actors and actresses, and while never directly contradicting the first movie? Make no reference to it either.

[CrimsonGuard101]

Retaliation should have just took a cue from Marvel's Hulk reboot back in 2008.

Simply present the character and cast, albeit being played with all new actors and actresses, and while never directly contradicting the first movie? Make no reference to it either.

Yeah but the are marketing as a "sequal" so thats misinforming the lay persons...

[skinny]

First i would like to say thanks for the mature response, and for the video link, i have never seen that video before, thank you.

but when you say that the JOE's to you were like the Punisher im a little confused? The Punisher is violent, how can you compare the two than say GI JOE should not be violent?

I was referring to a character in comics as a human that is not a mutant, not the nature of the character. The Punisher I remember was nowhere near as violent as the modern Punisher? The comics code was in full effect back then.
More like Groo, oh wait he's violent too... like the Lone Ranger, there that one fits better.
Perhaps violence is not the correct term, perhaps graphic violence is more apt.

[Sniper 5]

Most of us were hyped after the Super Bowl trailers. Downer that it's not showing up this summer, but in perspective...

Prometheus
Lincoln Vampire Hunter
Amazing Spiderman
Batman 3
Bourne Legacy
Total Recall
Expendables 2
ParaNorman
Resident Evil Retribution
Judge Dredd


...this summer will kick ass at the theaters regardless.

[Spade]

My hollywood source says it has something to do with some actor agencies that had major shakeups and the studio tried to work around it. However there were some conditions in Tatum's contract for being in a sequel that were not met. Once the agency shakeup was over, they got on top of the situation.

[sn8ke3y3s]

If the movie isn't good it will certainly kill this franchise. And I'm not talking about us Fan Boy liking it- I'm talking about the general public...

[ljacone]

I had to laugh, I was talking to my wife about the reshoots last night, and she is fully on board with having more Channing Tatum in the revised GI Joe: Retaliation. For purely... entertainment purposes, I am sure. ;)

[crock master]

If the movie isn't good it will certainly kill this franchise. And I'm not talking about us Fan Boy liking it- I'm talking about the general public...

oh, is that what it takes? because i have been working on making this happen for some time

[Raw Dog]

I think that if Paramount could do it all over again, like they could go back in time and fix the movie before it was even broken, they should have let Chu shoot the thing in 3D, given him enough time to get it right, announced the release date when they were sure it was going to be ready, and included more Duke and Destro from the get go.

I think it's funny that after seeing the preview with Duke and Rock together I felt like I wanted to see more of that and now it looks like that is what I'll get, just 9 months later, lol!

[PFunk]

Killing off Duke was stupid in the 80s when the comics line thought it was a good idea. It's just as stupid now.

[RodimusVTS]

Yeah I didn't like him as Duke at first either. I thought they should have had Lennox from Transformers play Duke. Heck they should have just crossed the 2 franchises over back in '07 when TF1 came out, and have the "Nest" team be GI Joe, and then expand on them in their own GI Joe movie. Then again I think Marvel should have incorporated GI Joe into SHIELD when they had the comic rights. Where does GI Joe end? Underground. Where does SHIELD start out in the Avengers? Underground. What is GI Joe's biggest mobile base? The USS FLAGG aircraft carrier. What is SHIELD's main base? The Helicarrier. They are both covert ops, international, and the best of the best. So why not combine them?

To be honest though Tatum despite not being my preferred actor for Duke did an ok job at portraying him. Just like Dennis Quaid as Hawk. I really wasn't expecting them to do the characters justice, but it was much better than I thought it would be.

I gotta say though I was planning to see the movie this summer while I'm getting payed good, but with it coming out next March during the slow time at work there is zero chance I'll see it until DVD. I work in a retail distribution center, and summer is when we get payed good, but then the money drops off around mid to late December through April/ May.

[evopete]

Duke does die in the Cartoon I think (for a second at least) and thats the only reason I can live with Duke Dying

[Caravankidd]

It seems like they could have just borrowed a simple idea from the comic books and cartoons to keep their options open on characters. We almost never saw the entire Joe team or all of Cobra in action at the same time in the comic book or cartoons because the idea was they operate best as small teams. Seems like Duke's team could have been assigned a different mission to get them out of the second film.

What's really sad in all of this is that Hasbro seems to have had no back up plan. When retailers said no more Dark of the Moon toys Hasbro could say fine well here's our Transformers Prime figures and we've Generations for later in the year. GI Joe is looking like no movie for 9 months, no toys for 9 months, and even with the Hub there is no new cartoon series.

[blackbarn]

Does Taylor Kitsch star in Retaliation? No? Then why should the failure of his last two starring films (John Carter and Battleship) have anything to do with GI Joe?

Also, those films were not marketed well in trailers (JC) or were obvious cash-grabs with no reason to exist (BS). Retaliation actually had a good trailer and awesome premise, and seemed to have been getting people excited or at the very least, interested.

John Carter did better overseas? Forget 3D as the reason... Maybe it was because the trailers in those countries explained what it WAS (unlike the US ones, in which it looked like leftover effects scenes from Attack of the Clones), and did not try to hide the fact that is is adapted from a classic series of sci-fi books.

Battleship flopped? Well no kidding. It was atrociously DUMB, and that was clear from the day the premise was announced by the studio, and the trailer cemented it. Everyone could see through that transparent attempt to make a movie with no merit, to sell product no one wanted. Since when was Battleship about fighting aliens, anyhow?

As for not being able to compete with potentially big movies like Spider-Man (for all we know that movie could bomb, incidentally... a lot of bad buzz or just indifference/uncertainty going around it), who's bright idea was it to move Retaliation's release date UP from August or whatever right into the thick of things in June? That move was one that showed someone was either an idiot or had faith in the film. I think it was the latter, but then someone at the studio "blinked" when another Hasbro property film (Battleship... aren't all Hasbro toy properties the same after all?) failed. GI Joe is not Battleship, nor is it John Carter. Plus this is a SEQUEL to a movie that made some money. There is no reason to assume it would fail like JC or BS!

I still think this was a silly knee-jerk reaction, and that they shot themselves in the foot by delaying this movie. But I do hope I'm wrong. I'd like to see it be a success... and am not convinced it wouldn't be had it been released this summer. If Hollywood history has taught us anything it's that NO ONE can truly predict what will be a hit and what will fail with certainty.

If they want more Channing Tatum, fine, whatever. Make your boy's action film star a guy known for chick flicks, an actor most guys are gonna hate simply for that reason. I hope his new scenes do not take away from existing scenes though. Add them, make the movie run longer. Don't cut other cool stuff for him.

[blackbarn]

It seems like they could have just borrowed a simple idea from the comic books and cartoons to keep their options open on characters. We almost never saw the entire Joe team or all of Cobra in action at the same time in the comic book or cartoons because the idea was they operate best as small teams. Seems like Duke's team could have been assigned a different mission to get them out of the second film.

I like the desperate situation of Roadblock and crew being the last surviving Joes, but I agree with you killing them ALL off might be too extreme. They should have left it vague whether any of the team from the first film were in the base when it got destroyed, in case they want those actors/characters back again in a later sequel. It would be enough to say the Joes were all presumed to be dead... so they could miraculously show up later if needed, in true comic book fashion.

[netkid]

This is interesting...

From TFW2005's thread: GI Joe Retaliation - Page 30 - TFW2005 - The 2005 Boards (http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/movies-television/368115-gi-joe-retaliation-30.html#post7803278)

Some "insider" who supposedly had seen the movie called into a radio show in Bakersfield, CA. You can listen to it here, (the most relevant part is in Hour 1, Part 1, but they touch on it again in Hour 2, Part 2):
Ask Mr KERN - Show Archives (http://www.askmrkern.com/page3.php)

http://askmrkern.com/data/AMK%205-26-12%20Hour%201%20Part%201.mp3

Some highlights of what the "insider" says:
1) The movie is terrible and nonsensical.
2) Bruce Willis's part feels tacked on and he's in it only for a few minutes.
3) Destro is inexplicably ditched by Cobra Commander and left in prison for a cameo appearance.
There were other points as well that I'm not recalling off the top of my head.
Anyway, if the guy is to be believed, it seems like taking the movie back into the shop is a good thing, more Channing Tatum or not. Also, they mentioned later in the show that the payout Paramount is getting from Disney for The Avengers is basically free money for Paramount to throw back into the GI Joe reshoots.

[GI Joe Eternal]

"Heck they should have just crossed the 2 franchises over back in '07 when TF1 came out, and have the "Nest" team be GI Joe, and then expand on them in their own GI Joe movie."

I still love this idea. Have been wishing they'd done this for five years.

I bet if Iron Man/Cap, etc came out a couple years earlier, Hasbro/Paramount would have crossed over Tformers and Joe. If that was a Joe team operating in TF1, it would have been so great... even if they were "no-name" Joes.

[Havok]

Personally I think killing off Duke was bad in the 1980's cartoon movie, and it's still true no matter who plays the role. As for waiting for 3D and avoiding going against Spiderman. That is a great decision. I would rather see GI Joe succeed so we can see more sequels in the future, than have Retaliation perform poorly against tough competition.

[Still Wind]

"Heck they should have just crossed the 2 franchises over back in '07 when TF1 came out, and have the "Nest" team be GI Joe, and then expand on them in their own GI Joe movie."

I still love this idea. Have been wishing they'd done this for five years.

I bet if Iron Man/Cap, etc came out a couple years earlier, Hasbro/Paramount would have crossed over Tformers and Joe. If that was a Joe team operating in TF1, it would have been so great... even if they were "no-name" Joes.

I like this idea! Heck Cobra could be using Decepticon tech in their bid to take over the world.... Nothing like cross promotion for the two brands!

[Iron Guru]

"Heck they should have just crossed the 2 franchises over back in '07 when TF1 came out, and have the "Nest" team be GI Joe, and then expand on them in their own GI Joe movie."

I still love this idea. Have been wishing they'd done this for five years.

I bet if Iron Man/Cap, etc came out a couple years earlier, Hasbro/Paramount would have crossed over Tformers and Joe. If that was a Joe team operating in TF1, it would have been so great... even if they were "no-name" Joes.

I like this idea! Heck Cobra could be using Decepticon tech in their bid to take over the world.... Nothing like cross promotion for the two brands!

I'd love to see a crossover movie between the franchises, but let’s face it Joe needs to pull in big box office numbers before that can happen.

[neapolitan joe]

Thank You Tatum.
Magic Mike by Steven Soderbergh: june 29 2012.

[CG82]

Damn pretty Boy Floyd..

http://www.wearysloth.com/Gallery/ActorsT/60004-28706.jpg

[Caravankidd]

"Heck they should have just crossed the 2 franchises over back in '07 when TF1 came out, and have the "Nest" team be GI Joe, and then expand on them in their own GI Joe movie."

I still love this idea. Have been wishing they'd done this for five years.

I bet if Iron Man/Cap, etc came out a couple years earlier, Hasbro/Paramount would have crossed over Tformers and Joe. If that was a Joe team operating in TF1, it would have been so great... even if they were "no-name" Joes.

It's really sad they didn't go that way because Josh Duhamel in Transformers makes a better Duke than what we got in the GI Joe movie. The character of Robert Epps was really only a nick name away from being someone like Stalker. And at least NEST had the military look unlike Stephen Sommers dressing the Joes in something you find at an X-Men movie yard sell.

[JamesxOnly]

Why not just end it with a voiceover saying "Duke's gonna be A-Okay!"

[Nirvana]

Why not just end it with a voiceover saying "Duke's gonna be A-Okay!"

GI Joe Renegades end credit dream - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAznMVCdBcg)

[Enigma2K2]

Dude, the Gif Was Joke Is not that serious. Sorry if I offended anyone

What is the second chance? We have yet seen the film. If He is horrible this than the first then I can understand.

What, did they kill him before the 2nd movie or something?

[garling23]

i agree tatum is not that great of an actor (allthough he was good in A Guide to Recognizing Your Saints) , but how can you kill Duke off and have a good gi joe movie. in my mind i can't see how we can make road block and general joe colton the main focus on a joe movie. plus no baroness or destro in the story. i think a reboot might have been a better way to go. and include these characters but maybe new actors or something!

[Raysohood]

What, did they kill him before the 2nd movie or something?

what? lol

[Havok]

There seems to be a lot of hate over Channing Tatum as Duke. The problem everyone is forgetting is his character was never really written well in the first movie. Now, I'm not a Channing Tatum fan, but we should at least give the actor a chance with Retaliation. But, then there's these rumors Duke is killed off. I'm not sure that's a great idea. I won't compare Duke to Optimus Prime, but he's a key character in Joe lore. The main problem I'm hearing about is now scenes are being reshot allegedly so Duke never dies. Okay, interesting. But, if those scenes aren't written well, and they don't sync up with the plot that was already filmed, this will not bode well for the Joe movie franchise.

[darthdoug]

Um... Channing dies? Way to put "Spoiler Alert" on the title, HT... thanks anyway! (Was I the only one who didn't know)?

[Caravankidd]

There seems to be a lot of hate over Channing Tatum as Duke. The problem everyone is forgetting is his character was never really written well in the first movie. Now, I'm not a Channing Tatum fan, but we should at least give the actor a chance with Retaliation. But, then there's these rumors Duke is killed off. I'm not sure that's a great idea. I won't compare Duke to Optimus Prime, but he's a key character in Joe lore. The main problem I'm hearing about is now scenes are being reshot allegedly so Duke never dies. Okay, interesting. But, if those scenes aren't written well, and they don't sync up with the plot that was already filmed, this will not bode well for the Joe movie franchise.

While I don't have the script or insider knowledge what I can piece together from all the tid bits was that Duke died as a way to say why Duke wasn't with the other Joes fighting Cobra and for Roadblock to want revenge.

They could have just as easily done the same thing by having Duke too injured to fight or by having the Joes arrested on trumped up charges. Instead of Roadblock's renegade Joes fighting to get revenged for the Joe that were killed they could have had them fight to clear the name of the arrested Joes.

While GI Joe has been one of Channing Tatum's worst roles he's never really impressed me in the other film's I've seen him in. I've seen worse actors but there are so many better actors out there.

[khill926]

Okay, I was not a big Tatum fan with ROC. My wife and I still make fun of his "Intro" in the film. (When he gives the team their orders so slurred and fast it's as if he really has to pee.) But, after watching "The Vow" WITH MY WIFE (not on my own), he's really not a bad actor. I've seen better, but I've seen allot worse. Van Dame, Segal, even Chuck Norris are all bad actors when you compare them to Tommy Lee Jones, Harrison Ford, even Wesley Snipes.
If he does a better job in Joe 2, or has better direction, I'm all for it.

[Raw Dog]

I think Tatum is pretty awesome, especially as Duke in RoC. He was really good in Jump Street, which was awesome IMO BTW, so if you haven't seen it I would recommend that you do. I like CT because he doesn't over act. His performances aren't overbearing. He's great, and I'm glad they are adding more of him, and more Duke to Retaliation.

[Enigma2K2]

what? lol

I asked a question, if you don't have an answer, don't lol. Just admit you don't know...

[WAR&PEACE]

I like tatum, people be hatters....

[tlasjr]

John Carter WAS in 3d and was out before any any of the major competition. Is that really the best movie to justify the delay to convert to 3d and movie to a time with no competition?

[Xenos]

John Carter WAS in 3d and was out before any any of the major competition. Is that really the best movie to justify the delay to convert to 3d and movie to a time with no competition?

The thing is, John Carter made $200 million overseas, and they say that a big part of why it made that much is because 3D is really popular in China and Russia.

Also, if GI Joe does John Carter levels of business then it will be considered a success. The problem with John Carter was that it cost $100+ more then Retaliation to make, so the bar for success was a lot higher.

[skinny]

I like tatum, people be hatters....

http://i523.photobucket.com/albums/w358/Coatlupilla/mad_hatter.jpg

[Duke_Hauser]

I think it's bull$#!+ they up and killed Duke all Johnny Cage MKA style in the beginning of the movie.

Honestly I look at ROC as Duke's origin movie, how he joined GI Joe and then Retaliation was gonna be more on how he has become a leader of the Joes. But instead this @$$clown went ahead saying he is a Joe fan and kills Duke and put Roadblock in charge.

Ultimately the movie probably came down to a hand 2 hand fight with Roadblock and Commander with Roadblock punching him naming off people (This is for........) before the final punch where he says something cliche.

End movie roll credits for, G.I. Joe: P.O.S.

[lsyd]

but they don't need to reshoot Tatum, just dub in "oh no, Duke's in a coma." then at the end, "great news, Duke's out of his coma and will be back for GI Joe 3."

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[WeaponXIII]

Not a fan of Tatum whatsoever, but I've been a joe fan all my life and always saw Duke as the quintessential Joe...isn't killing him doing the same thing Brett Ratner did with X3 when he killed Cyclops and Prof X at the beginning of the movie?

Making Roadblock the main character's like making Guile the main character in a Street Fighter movie, and we all know how that turned out.

[CG82]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_6U61Hkc4Nvw/S9eY0k98wCI/AAAAAAAAACk/YbVjXRpv3w4/s400/pax+bisonica.bmp

In seriousness I thought Van Damme wouldve been good as Duke back then, as bad as Street Fighter was it was pretty close to a GI JOE movie it was just overly cheesy. Oddly enough both Rise of Cobra and Street UNed the teams.

[Fred Broca XIII]

Not a fan of Tatum whatsoever, but I've been a joe fan all my life and always saw Duke as the quintessential Joe...isn't killing him doing the same thing Brett Ratner did with X3 when he killed Cyclops and Prof X at the beginning of the movie?

Making Roadblock the main character's like making Guile the main character in a Street Fighter movie, and we all know how that turned out.

You make several good points...as much as I'm sick of duke action figures invading every single joe wave...he really is the star of the show as far as the cartoons went (not so much in the comics though)...and as much as I hated the movie Cyclops, he is the first x-man (in the comics) and the team's leader...

[Fred Broca XIII]

I think it's bull$#!+ they up and killed Duke all Johnny Cage MKA style in the beginning of the movie.

Honestly I look at ROC as Duke's origin movie, how he joined GI Joe and then Retaliation was gonna be more on how he has become a leader of the Joes. But instead this @$$clown went ahead saying he is a Joe fan and kills Duke and put Roadblock in charge.

Ultimately the movie probably came down to a hand 2 hand fight with Roadblock and Commander with Roadblock punching him naming off people (This is for........) before the final punch where he says something cliche.

End movie roll credits for, G.I. Joe: P.O.S.

...if that's the cliche they go out on, I won't even bother watching this movie...I'm not going to opening night (I abhor crowds, mostly because they contain people, and I loathe people)...so I will be able to ask if that actually happens before I shell out $15 to watch a bunch of cheezy action flicks amalgamated into what used to be fond childhood memories...

[Havok]

John Carter WAS in 3d and was out before any any of the major competition. Is that really the best movie to justify the delay to convert to 3d and movie to a time with no competition?

Good points, but Carter wasn't in competition with Spiderman and Dark Knight. I may be of the minority, but if I was the studio executive in charge of when Retaliation gets released I would have pushed it back too. And if your going to push it back, why not spend the extra time converting it to 3D. Sounds smart in my opinion.

[thineownself]

I listed to the Mr Kern radio spot- very brief but informative. It sounds like we have another mess of a movie and Paramount's thought is: 'get SOME money out of this mess.' The QUESTION: why no retool of Battleship or John Carter? The preview/test audiences must have had words about its plot holes.
I would love to think they have a special affinity for this franchise but know they don't- tight budget, comedy ! script writers, Sommers (who readily admitted the 1st movie was rushed and pushed in DVD commentary), Chu? No Hama= no give-a-damn

[Fred Broca XIII]

I know they've totally invented this new character and then named him after Roadblock for some reason, but does Roadblock even cook anything in this damn movie?...did they at least get one of his defining character points correct...
...or did he skip chef's school for ultimate ninja commando training?