Non attending gi joe con is up!

[Blot]

Go register people!

[Duffmann]

that is great news, i just told a couple buddies of mine and they are registering today.

[Blot]

They're not confirming sales - just saying that they'll get back to you... I've got an invoice, and my card was accepted, but no e-mail confirming toys yet. I think I was pretty hot off the mark though, so I'm confident I should gert my order. One boxed, one bagged and an Oktober Guard T-Shirt - I believe that since we're registering on the first day of non-attending we should get ltd. edition pins as well...?

[Duffmann]

They're not confirming sales - just saying that they'll get back to you... I've got an invoice, and my card was accepted, but no e-mail confirming toys yet. I think I was pretty hot off the mark though, so I'm confident I should gert my order. One boxed, one bagged and an Oktober Guard T-Shirt - I believe that since we're registering on the first day of non-attending we should get ltd. edition pins as well...?

correct you will get the pin

[dgnr82]

Awesome. Ordered 1 boxed and 1 bagged set.

[Monkeywrench]

if anybody is willing to sell me a bagged set... PM me

[Hellion42]

Yay, I can register!

*click type type click click*

...


Your club membership is not listed as current.

Please go to the G.I. Joe Club Store and select the membership of your choice and check out. Then you can come back to this registration site and receive member pricing.

If you want to proceed without member pricing, please create a non-member log in by using the link on this page.

NOTE: If you choose to register as a non-member, we are unable to adjust prices for your registration. If you want the discounts, you must be a current member FIRST!

Let's see... I renewed in February, got my Footloose figure, get all the emails... and yet my membership is not current. I can log into the club store just fine, lists my renewal date as 02-2013.

This is awesome. And of course there's no one at the club to answer the phone.

Amazing.

[RolandofGilead]

it says you can only buy one. Does that mean I can't buy a bagged set too?

[rfarrell22]

it says you can only buy one. Does that mean I can't buy a bagged set too?
no.
after you confirm the box set, the option to buy the bagged will pop up

[RolandofGilead]

Ordered both boxed and bagged. Now to wait for confirmation....

[cobracobra]

damn, my money is too tied up to do this right now.

[NeoDragonKnight]

Yay, I can register!

*click type type click click*

...




Let's see... I renewed in February, got my Footloose figure, get all the emails... and yet my membership is not current. I can log into the club store just fine, lists my renewal date as 02-2013.

This is awesome. And of course there's no one at the club to answer the phone.

Amazing.

I had this issue earlier in the year, I renewed in Nov. But the system never updated me as active UNTILL I logged into the site again after that, and that was March for me (I knew this because when I logged in I was marked as a non-member when I first logged in, and then updated my profile and it had me as a member after). As a result I never got my first 3 magazines, had to send them an email to get them to resend it. They changed their system since then of course so dunno if it will work the same way. But try logging into their main site and see if it updates your status to active. Good luck

edit: nm didnt see you did log into their site, I guess it doesnt work anymore... :(

[bluesparrow]

Ordered a boxed set, they were sold out of bagged. Missed it by minutes it seems(had to stay late at work, argh!). Oh well. Glad I got my boxed set at least.

[millville resident]

Shipping price is awesome compared to the old Club shipping prices.
It used to cost $24.25 for one single bagged figure to get shipped to Canada. YEP, $24.25 for a single Undertow!
Now, I just ordered a box set and bagged set and the total for shipping was $47.00.
Sweet.

[Tom-1]

Whoaaa!!! Sold out of bagged sets already?!? That's crazy! I bet the boxed sets will be gone soon, too! Another great year for Joecon exclusives! : D

Get em' while they last, kids!

Tom

[Hellion42]

I had this issue earlier in the year, I renewed in Nov. But the system never updated me as active UNTILL I logged into the site again after that, and that was March for me (I knew this because when I logged in I was marked as a non-member when I first logged in, and then updated my profile and it had me as a member after). As a result I never got my first 3 magazines, had to send them an email to get them to resend it. They changed their system since then of course so dunno if it will work the same way. But try logging into their main site and see if it updates your status to active. Good luck
Did that like 3-4 times, updated payment info, the works. No go. Thanks for the suggestions though.
Ordered a boxed set, they were sold out of bagged. Missed it by minutes it seems(had to stay late at work, argh!). Oh well. Glad I got my boxed set at least.
Great. So thanks to the club's inept systems I get to miss out too. At this rate there won't even be any boxed sets left by the time I can get a hold of someone to fix this mess.

[bluesparrow]

Hope it works out Hellion. I'm bummed about missing out on the bagged, it'd have sucked hard if it were the boxed as well. It's pretty poor planning for them to put them on sale with no one there to answer the phones if there were problems.

I think you should be okay for that, they don't seem to be going THAT fast, I think this year more attendees bought the bagged to sell and cover the overall price increase so those maybe went faster than normal(in fact, they did, they had bagged sets left over last year - or was that just '09 - and it was the same amount of bagged sets).

Hopefully the Club goes back to selling both at the same time next year.

[Hellion42]

Hope it works out Hellion. I'm bummed about missing out on the bagged, it'd have sucked hard if it were the boxed as well.

I think you should be okay for that, they don't seem to be going THAT fast, I think this year more attendees bought the bagged to sell and cover the overall price increase.

Hopefully the Club goes back to selling both at the same time next year.

Thanks man, though I'm not really feeling hopeful at this point. Can't wait until Pete drops by and denies any responsibility on the part of the club for any technical difficulties despite the pile of evidence illustrating otherwise.

[07GT500 COBRA]

Hellion,

Gyre and Roshan apparently had a similar problem. Here's what Gyre did:


Originally Posted by Lody
this is GREAT

My wife has an active membership

but I DON'T!


Yo... I was having the same issue... well a similar one. Try closing all your windows (on your computer not at your house). Then open the site in one window and log in through the main log in. Then open another window and go through the registration page on the con site. do the captcha and just hit ENTER don't click anything. Then it should bring up the log in for registration. I can't tell you that me doing this is why it worked... but it did work. Because I was being told I wasn't an active member and it was telling Roshan the same thing. But then it fixed itself. But it DID not take my customizing class purchase. Oh well.
Not sure about that glitch.


Good luck!

[Hellion42]

Hellion,

Gyre and Roshan apparently had a similar problem. Here's what Gyre did:




Good luck!

Just tried that without any luck. I even tried on a different computer, same deal. Thanks for the advice though.

This really sucks.

[Tom-1]

I would be sore if I waited all this time and they sell out of bagged sets in under and hour. : /

Tom

[straightedge]

Whoaaa!!! Sold out of bagged sets already?!? That's crazy! I bet the boxed sets will be gone soon, too! Another great year for Joecon exclusives! : D

Get em' while they last, kids!

Tom

Get this lady some pom-poms... then get me her number ;)

[titanate]

What do you suppose this means? I know this is a valid card--I use it all the time for peripheral, non-urgent purchases.

This is to confirm the receipt of your order. Please print this for your records.

There was an error processing your credit card with the requested order below. Because of the error, this order has been suspended and it does not have any product allocated to it. To have the product allocated and the order completed, please contact our office at 800-772-6673 or 817-448-9863 M-F 9:30 AM-4:00 PM Central time. Reference incomplete order #: 8618. We will also attempt to contact you via phone as soon as possible. We apologize for any inconvenience and hope to resolve this issue quickly. Please note that for items that are in high demand, there may not be any stock to fulfill this order. Please contact us as soon as possible! You also may want to verify your card number (and or try a different card) and submit your order again.

[bluesparrow]

Hey guys, everything is alright, the club just emailed me:

Hello all!

NON-ATTENDING Registration is now live.

WE ARE LIMITING EVERYONE (per household/per member, duplicate accounts for the same person don't count) TO ONE SET DURING THE FIRST 24 HOURS. After that time period we will entertain potential second sets. If you choose more than one set we may cancel your entire order.

IF YOU LOG IN INCORRECTLY AND ARE GETTING NON-MEMBER PRICES PLEASE CONTACT US AS WE ARE NOT ABLE TO CORRECT THE PRICING AFTER THE FACT. YOUR LOG IN IS THE SAME AS THE ONE YOU TESTED IN THE STORE.

Use the email link at GIJOECON.com in the menu on the left if you need to contact us.

In addition, the attending sets left in stock are now reserved for people who have not ordered a set AND you will be limited to ONE.

Please take your time in the registration system to ensure you don't make any mistakes.

Go to GIJoeCon.com and click on Registration.

See you in NOLA!

Brian

Sent at 8:50pm.

[Tom-1]

Sent at 8:50pm.

The funniest part of it all. XD

Tom

[RolandofGilead]

So when do I find out that my order went through?

[jwenig]

So, does the one set mean one packaged set, no loose sets being sold... that is kind of vague in the e-mail... I'm confused... so bagged sets will be available after 24 hours? J

Hey guys, everything is alright, the club just emailed me:



Sent at 8:50pm.

[Hellion42]

Hey guys, everything is alright, the club just emailed me:



Sent at 8:50pm.

I'd love to use that email link but I'm stuck at work and can't access the email address my club account is linked to.

[Trigue]

Got a little nervous I would miss out but got my order in. Just wish I could of gotten a bagged set too. Oh well I didn't really need to spend that extra cash anyways. Been skipping far too many lunches lately.

[sparks007]

Man the bagged sets are gone already.

[Mainframe]

got mine in

[Fast_Draw]

Ordered a boxed set, they were sold out of bagged. Missed it by minutes it seems(had to stay late at work, argh!). Oh well. Glad I got my boxed set at least.

Same here. I only noticed around 8:10 or so and the bagged sets were gone. I only wanted the individual figures from the bagged set. I was going to sell the boxed set and the extra troopers. Oh well. I guess I'm stuck with the boxed set.

[07GT500 COBRA]

There couldn't have been more than 100 bagged sets to start with I'd bet. My guess would be about 50.

[FirstReality]

Yep, waiting on the confirmation email now. Just got the boxed set. Not enough army builders to make a second set worth it, and I need that extra money to get the inflated secondary market prices on the other Con stuff.

[Tom-1]

If I may say I don't think the limits have any impact on the bagged sets being sold out. You will still be able to order A set providing you bought a boxed one. The bagged ARE likely sold out - get your boxed sets ASAP, I'd say. <: D

Tom

[Money-B]

What do you suppose this means? I know this is a valid card--I use it all the time for peripheral, non-urgent purchases.

I got a similar message when I used my card.
I called the bank and they said it was due to reaching my daily limit.
I had them temporarily raise my limit to cover it.
Use the 800 number on back of the card.

I just saw this. I hope it still helps.

[NeoDragonKnight]

Im a bit confused the email we got says its limited to 1 set per person, but some of us who ordered before got a bagged and boxed, so not sure what happens to our orders? edit: nm they meant 1 boxed set limit.

[FATBALDDUDE]

I got mine in too. Maybe if it didn't take me so long to convince my wife that buying toys IS a good idea when both of us are unemployed I could have nabbed a bagged set too. Oh well I have to be happy to get what I did.

[bandonov]

Damn that went fast

[Cdt Weasel]

Dang I missed out, all gone. :/ Stupid watching tv with the wife night lol.

[zombie casablanca]

I cannot believe those sold out this fast. Just awful...

[Dunedain]

This is fucking bullshit. It literally sold out as i was ordering because i was able to click on it(they were still available) and i processed the whole order. It then at the very end denied the card or something. I called the credit card co knowing full well i had the money, they said it was approved and not denied on their end.

So i went back on 2 re order and now i couldnt get passed the part 2 click on the set cause it said SOLD OUT. So literally the first time i ordered it sold out AS I WAS ORDERING IT!!!!!!!!!!

WTF!!!!!!!! Please if anybody wants to sell a bagged set to me PLEASE PM me, and i dont expect any tanker break. I got the money and will be EZ to deal with.

PLEASE PM me someone so i can just get these figures by bagged set, PLEASE

[Air-tight]

Wow. Completely sold out in 2.5 hours, unfortunately I missed out by mere minutes. Super bummed over here...

If anyone has an extra boxed or bagged set that they want to sell, I'm definitely looking for one and would be super appreciative of any help you could give me. Thanks in advance.

[tarcanes92]

dang...once 6 pm EDT passed, I thought they weren't going up today. Go to the parents for dinner and miss out.

Just got one off of ebay that will also include the attendee figure

What was the club charging for shipping?

It may almost be a wash, depending on the attendee figure. It could go for alot. Or it could be Destro and go for next to nothing.

Oh well. Isn't this what makes the hobby "fun"?

[SonOfMindbender]

Well I'm sick on meds and missed the boat. Congrats to all who were able to score the non-attending package!! Their's always next year, and I get out cheap. Not what you guys were thinking, right?

[compactattitude]

I was completing my order when it changed to Sold Out, ugh @#$%

[07GT500 COBRA]

Is this the fastest a Con set has ever sold out? Even with upping production from last year's numbers I had a feeling it wouldn't be enough.

[sune]

wow, what do the club take us for, you know guys, those stupid rules coming again and agian do really make me wanna throw up.

[bluesparrow]

What was the club charging for shipping?

There was a range of options, cheapest I saw was $14 something for Fed Ex, I chose the USPS Priority for $16.

Oh well. Isn't this what makes the hobby "fun"?

I really was not expecting these to sell out tonight. Is everything sold out including attending? Or were there just a number set aside for non-attending and that number sold out?

Sorry for everyone who didn't get one . Hopefully THIS time the club learns from their mistakes so NEXT year it's not such a stressful quagmire.

[CobraSnakeEyes]

wow, what do the club take us for, you know guys, those stupid rules coming again and agian do really make me wanna throw up.

Makes me wonder what does Cobra Commander do when he's gotta throw up?

[bluesparrow]

Makes me wonder what does Cobra Commander do when he's gotta throw up?

Swallows it. That's why his voice is so raspy. All the acid.

[CrimsonGuard101]

Wow all sets are sold huh.,..I knew that was going to happen and oooh the masses said oh they will last for several weeks, last years did no problem...yeah right..lol

[bluesparrow]

Well we only have to worry about getting the SDCC exclusives from HTS now.







...when did this hobby become so stressful?

[JediJones]

I think collectors have a lot of extra money to splurge due to the really horrible distribution and manufacturers cutting back their lines not because there isn't big collector demand for them but because they can't figure out how to distribute their toys. That and the lack of new Joes for about 9 months of this year at the front and back end is leaving collectors with extra money and not many toys to buy. Hence there are more people willing to splurge on big ticket items like the convention set this year. Never-before-made characters also always sell better than old characters in new costumes and this convention set has a lot more original characters than the last couple 25th-style sets.

[JediJones]

I guess those first-day pins aren't such a big deal anymore. When the sets sell out in one day, everyone gets a pin. Everyone's a winner!

[tarcanes92]

There was a range of options, cheapest I saw was $14 something for Fed Ex, I chose the USPS Priority for $16.

that is cheaper than I thought. I expected shipping to be up around $30 based on past orders from the club.

overpaid some. but still really wanted this set and more should have been available

[Tom-1]

I guess those first-day pins aren't such a big deal anymore. When the sets sell out in one day, everyone gets a pin. Everyone's a winner!

Everyone knows the special edition gold "Golden Ticket" pin is the new 'first ___' pin.

Tom

[Un_Chakal]

I cannot beleive I missed out on this... GI Joe stuff is such a pain in the ass to get anymore. Dammit!

[emags]

I think collectors have a lot of extra money to splurge due to the really horrible distribution and manufacturers cutting back their lines not because there isn't big collector demand for them but because they can't figure out how to distribute their toys. That and the lack of new Joes for about 9 months of this year at the front and back end is leaving collectors with extra money and not many toys to buy. Hence there are more people willing to splurge on big ticket items like the convention set this year. Never-before-made characters also always sell better than old characters in new costumes and this convention set has a lot more original characters than the last couple 25th-style sets.

Agree with this 100%. Glad I procured the SDCC exclusives already........those will be the next big ticket item.....especially since we may not be getting a Jinx via retail. Either SDCC or FSS....pick your poison :)

[emags]

Well we only have to worry about getting the SDCC exclusives from HTS now.

...when did this hobby become so stressful?

Funny about the stressful part. When I heard the orders were up, I had to boot up my PC and I was cursing at it for the 20 seconds it took, which felt like 20 minutes. I was pretty stressed until I completed the order...I was like, this is not going to work for me, this is not going to work for me.......got lucky though!

[Black Swan]

None for me.:(

[FirstReality]

Is this the fastest a Con set has ever sold out? Even with upping production from last year's numbers I had a feeling it wouldn't be enough.

Upping production? I thought they only made something like 650 this year, which I thought was hella low for a set that's got so many figs people are going to want.

[osiris]

Yea I missed out too. God only knows how much they are gonna go on ebay

[Xenos]

Upping production? I thought they only made something like 650 this year, which I thought was hella low for a set that's got so many figs people are going to want.

They made 100 more this year then last year.

[williamzombie]

I just logged on and all non attending sets are sold out. : (

"2012 Homefront Hero's Package - SOLD OUT"

[SonOfMindbender]

Wow all sets are sold huh.,..I knew that was going to happen and oooh the masses said oh they will last for several weeks, last years did no problem...yeah right..lol

I knew they would sell out quick, but the club could have dropped us some teasers like they did with the attendings not just lobbed it out there like some hot potato. I got my email at 6:37 central time. In Chicago that's dinner time. I'm fine with going without, but it seemed like the rest of the members got the shaft this time. Like I said before congrats to the folks who got in!!

[Tauron]

YUP 45 dollars a year and I can't even register to buy a 345 dollar set or figures. I'm done with this Club.

[tarcanes92]

Yea I missed out too. God only knows how much they are gonna go on ebay

ebay has them for $460 (includes shipping and atendee figure)

much better than the $850 that the Mission Brazil set is currently selling for

[13thwarrior]

Just got this email from the club...

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Hello all!

It took just a little over 3 hours for the non-attending Oktober Guard sets to sell out! We did not have that many to put online for those not coming to the convention. We wish there were more, but there are not. Please do not call about these sets as there is nothing the customer representatives can do.

I have been asked how a member could not get a set. Well the answer is that these are convention exclusives, not member exclusives. They go first to the people attending the convention, then to non-attending fans. It is very difficult to call the number from year to year and we try to make the best guess we can.

We sill have 12" sets both attending and non-attending available. There are just a few attending Oktober Guard sets left. If you have already ordered one, you cannot order another.

Looking forward to a great convention!

See you in NOLA!

Brian
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[Dragasses]

nevermind, see above.

bummer.

[CrimsonGuard101]

Just got this email from the club...

------------------
Hello all!

It took just a little over 3 hours for the non-attending Oktober Guard sets to sell out! We did not have that many to put online for those not coming to the convention. We wish there were more, but there are not. Please do not call about these sets as there is nothing the customer representatives can do.

I have been asked how a member could not get a set. Well the answer is that these are convention exclusives, not member exclusives. They go first to the people attending the convention, then to non-attending fans. It is very difficult to call the number from year to year and we try to make the best guess we can.

We sill have 12" sets both attending and non-attending available. There are just a few attending Oktober Guard sets left. If you have already ordered one, you cannot order another.

Looking forward to a great convention!

See you in NOLA!

Brian
------------------

Note to club...stop making the figures people want con only exlusives and start up a pre-order basis a year in advance thanks...oh yeah that FSS thing they cant seem to get going...how bout they offer figures liek these as well..they will know how many they enough if they pre-order them...

Make the convention sets the 12 inch figures(apprenlty those dotn sell out in record time) or something the majority of the worlds peopel do not want BADLY lol...if peeps go to the con for other reasons they will still show up..mostly :)

[KingBiohazerd]

He should have said this is how we did it this year because passed years both attendees and non attendees signed up at the same time.

[netowolf]

Note to club...stop making the figures people want con only exlusives and start up a pre-order basis a year in advance thanks...oh yeah that FSS thing they cant seem to get going...how bout they offer figures liek these as well..they will know how many they enough if they pre-order them...

Make the convention sets the 12 inch figures(apprenlty those dotn sell out in record time) or something the majority of the worlds peopel do not want BADLY lol...if peeps go to the con for other reasons they will still show up..mostly :)

^^^^^this

[oliverbox]

At this point, I'm left wondering what I'm paying for with my club membership. Once again, I'm unable to attend the Con, and now I'm not even able to purchase this OG/IG set as an Officer level member. So for the price of membership, I got one figure this year: Footloose, who I could have bought on ebay for a lot less than the price of Club membership.

Why can't they offer these sets as pre-orders? Perhaps I'll be spending my next years Club Membership money on ebay to get the OG figures, if I can, and forgetting the Club. I'm very disappointed.

[SonOfMindbender]

Just got this email from the club...

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Hello all!

It took just a little over 3 hours for the non-attending Oktober Guard sets to sell out! We did not have that many to put online for those not coming to the convention. We wish there were more, but there are not. Please do not call about these sets as there is nothing the customer representatives can do.

I have been asked how a member could not get a set. Well the answer is that these are convention exclusives, not member exclusives. They go first to the people attending the convention, then to non-attending fans. It is very difficult to call the number from year to year and we try to make the best guess we can.

We sill have 12" sets both attending and non-attending available. There are just a few attending Oktober Guard sets left. If you have already ordered one, you cannot order another.

Looking forward to a great convention!

See you in NOLA!

Brian
------------------

I love the new highfalutin attitude from the club!! Now their convention exclusives when in the past they were not? BIG WIN for th club and future membership. Prove me wrong!!

[tarcanes92]

if I never see "NOLA" again in my life, it will be too soon

[Tom-1]

YUP 45 dollars a year and I can't even register to buy a 345 dollar set or figures. I'm done with this Club.

Considering they just sold out an entire convention set run prior to the convention itself along with 75 high-end tickets, I'm sure they'll regret losing your 40 or so dollars.

Tom

[katdan847]

It was weird, around 7:15 PST I went to order it and when I clicked on hometown heroes it said something in red about being sold out, then I clicked on the 12" and the no exclusive options in frustration and went back to the hometown heroes and no red came up (almost like somebody backed out of their order at that moment), I quickly went through, tried the same thing with the bagged but they said sold out over and over so I just went to check out and everything went through.

I'd like to think I got the last non-attending boxed set.

[tarcanes92]

So for the price of membership, I got one figure this year: Footloose, who I could have bought on ebay for a lot less than the price of Club membership.


I don't know about this. I checked ebay for the figure the other day, and it was way more than a USA 3rd class postage subscription.

[RuckusJr]

At this point, I'm left wondering what I'm paying for with my club membership. Once again, I'm unable to attend the Con, and now I'm not even able to purchase this OG/IG set as an Officer level member. So for the price of membership, I got one figure this year: Footloose, who I could have bought on ebay for a lot less than the price of Club membership.

Why can't they offer these sets as pre-orders? Perhaps I'll be spending my next years Club Membership money on ebay to get the OG figures, if I can, and forgetting the Club. I'm very disappointed.

Really? Have you seen the price of Footloose on eBay?

GI Joe 2012 Footloose | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/csc/i.html?_sacat=0&_nkw=GI+Joe+2012+Footloose&LH_Complete=1&rt=nc)

[Tauron]

I love the new highfalutin attitude from the club!! Now their convention exclusives when in the past they were not? BIG WIN for th club and future membership. Prove me wrong!!

I'll take you up on that, and after I had to get a new credit card issued because of their mess and change all of my info on every online place I order from the least the could do is have sets for everyone to purchase.

Not enough for everyone who paid for an officer level subscription yet there are multiple sets already up on ebay. B.S.

[Dragasses]

Footloose, who I could have bought on ebay for a lot less than the price of Club membership.
no offense, but where?

[Tom-1]

At this point, I'm left wondering what I'm paying for with my club membership.

That would be the Club magazine, the free membership figure and access to the Club store's membership discount.

Tom

[krisk]

no offense, but where?

this......I dont see any of them for under $85....

[tycondrius]

wtf does that mean the non attendee con set are gone !! I got that email at 2am about the con set . I'm super ticked the only year I get a officer lvl membership was to get this set and the reg goes up at 2am !!! thats just F'n retarded they should at least have a reg time for intl members to give them a change too.

[tycondrius]

That would be the Club magazine, the free membership figure and access to the Club store's membership discount.

Tom
yup that club store is amazing the only items in there are membership deals so tell me again whats the discount for ?

[Dragasses]

That would be the Club magazine, the free membership figure and access to the Club store's membership discount.

Tom
discount?, on club store merchandise that is the same as retail with a huge shipping charge?, I mean when they actually have merchandise in the club store. not last time I checked.

also, that magazine is great...when it shows up. or should I have have said "if"?

[RuckusJr]

wtf does that mean the non attendee con set are gone !! I got that email at 2am about the con set . I'm super ticked the only year I get a officer lvl membership was to get this set and the reg goes up at 2am !!! thats just F'n retarded they should at least have a reg time for intl members to give them a change too.

Because all international collectors are on the same time zone?

[CrimsonGuard101]

wtf does that mean the non attendee con set are gone !! I got that email at 2am about the con set . I'm super ticked the only year I get a officer lvl membership was to get this set and the reg goes up at 2am !!! thats just F'n retarded they should at least have a reg time for intl members to give them a change too.

Sorry they are con exclusives according Brian;s email, you you gotta go now to get one. I bet they dont offer the non-attendee package at all next year...hopefuly on the bright side...it wont be anything we want..however I bet it ends up being a Viper box...so we can "complete" our viper collections lol...and the set will be $600...

[Falcone]

Non attendee sets lasted online for all of 3 hours, what a joke. I guess I'm not getting this set. How many of you assholes hoarded more than one set?

[Headman]

The set sucked anyway.

[RuckusJr]

Non attendee sets lasted online for all of 3 hours, what a joke. I guess I'm not getting this set. How many of you assholes hoarded more than one set?

Only one per household was allowed. Multiple orders will be cancelled, and they run the risk of all orders being cancelled. So who is the asshole now?

[Tom-1]

yup that club store is amazing the only items in there are membership deals so tell me again whats the discount for ?

It would also have counted towards the convention set you didn't get.

Tom

[sithewok]

Wow. No wonder the club made me purchase a membership seperately before signing in to the store only to see that the non attending sets were already sold out. Way to go...

[tycondrius]

Because all international collectors are on the same time zone?

no not all intl are in the same time zone some poor Bstrds are in a different day meaning if that automated email was due to go on a specific day they just get sweet F all . so not only will we have to deal with stupid price hiked retaliation figures with insane shipping .... (yeah I got a new single card zartan for $29 now I have to go pay $34 to get him shipped ) thats just some of the examples I'm seeing on ebay right now. we'll have the same scalpers who be selling this con set for 400+ and another 90 -100 for shipping it just ticks me off to no end

[Mongoose]

I agree that these are con exclusives, but I also think that a courtesy email should have been sent out an hour or two before the reg went live. Just one more example of piss-poor communication from the club.

[Falcone]

Only one per household was allowed. Multiple orders will be cancelled, and they run the risk of all orders being cancelled. So who is the asshole now?

How many people used family and friends to buy extras?

[krisk]

It would also have counted towards the convention set you didn't get.

Tom

wow, who pissed in Tom's cheerios tonight?

[paraviper]

Just got this email from the club...

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Hello all!

It took just a little over 3 hours for the non-attending Oktober Guard sets to sell out! We did not have that many to put online for those not coming to the convention. We wish there were more, but there are not. Please do not call about these sets as there is nothing the customer representatives can do.

I have been asked how a member could not get a set. Well the answer is that these are convention exclusives, not member exclusives. They go first to the people attending the convention, then to non-attending fans. It is very difficult to call the number from year to year and we try to make the best guess we can.

We sill have 12" sets both attending and non-attending available. There are just a few attending Oktober Guard sets left. If you have already ordered one, you cannot order another.

Looking forward to a great convention!

See you in NOLA!

Brian
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Really? This shit pisses me off. We pay for a membership and this is what we get in return? The Club should at least make enough sets so that each club member has the chance to purchase one. Is this how the figure subscription service is going to work as well? They are going to make enough for less than half of the total membership? Then to top it all off they have all these credit and fraud issues going on. The *ucking magazine has not came in like two months. When it does bother to show up it's *ucking late! The list of major *uck ups from the Club just goes on and on.

[volleydan]

On one hand it sucks that people got their hopes up. On the other hand, how much more would it suck if they sold too many sets to non attendees and didn't have enough for those who will actually be at the con?

[tycondrius]

It would also have counted towards the convention set you didn't get.

Tom

thank you tom would you like a little salt to add in there ;P

[Breakerfan]

WOW! It's easier for me to buy food now than toys. And by "buy food" I mean punching out the checkout lady to run off with my box of cheerios and a can of green beans.

[tycondrius]

you know the great thing is I never even got the second email that the sets were gone just the first email saying the reg went live

[tycondrius]

WOW! It's easier for me to buy food now than toys. And by "buy food" I mean punching out the checkout lady to run off with my box of cheerios and a can of green beans.

dude you can just knock her out by chucking the tin o beans at her and hoping the counter. you need to think these things trough

[Mongoose]

you know the great thing is I never even got the second email that the sets were gone just the first email saying the reg went live

You'll get that email within the next 6 hours. That's how these things go with the club.

[tycondrius]

You'll get that email within the next 6 hours. That's how these things go with the club.

nah i'll get the email tomorrow. btw why has this been frontpaged ? theres no point

[Loose Cannon]

Are you fucking kidding me?!?!?!?!!? Gone already. Dammit. Now I have to who're myself out to ebay.

[Breakerfan]

dude you can just knock her out by chucking the tin o beans at her and hoping the counter. you need to think these things trough

But then where would i get more green beans?

[Dragasses]

wow, who pissed in Tom's cheerios tonight?
what does he care?, apparently he got his stuff.

[katdan847]

So here's a thought, the con is June 2012....THEY HAVE ALL FUCKING YEAR TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO FOR NEXT YEARS, but they choose to release info a month prior and then have this flash mob crap of a pre-order. Why not release info in Sept-Oct. and then put up a pre-order for 3 months. Then you have 4-6 months to make the damn things per order. What a fucked up company, but the plastic crack is so addicting. It's like they encourage the after market prices...

[paraviper]

On one hand it sucks that people got their hopes up. On the other hand, how much more would it suck if they sold too many sets to non attendees and didn't have enough for those who will actually be at the con?

The issue is that they should make enough sets to cover both attending and non attending paying club members. It can't be more than three or four thousand people. This would also help bring the total cost of the sets down some. That's ok though. They won't be getting membership money from me in the future.

[Godzilla]

Wow. Sold out already? Nice going GI Joe Club. Thanks for crushing my hopes.

[tycondrius]

whats the difference from hero's set and base commanders ?

[paraviper]

At this point, I'm left wondering what I'm paying for with my club membership. Once again, I'm unable to attend the Con, and now I'm not even able to purchase this OG/IG set as an Officer level member. So for the price of membership, I got one figure this year: Footloose, who I could have bought on ebay for a lot less than the price of Club membership.

Why can't they offer these sets as pre-orders? Perhaps I'll be spending my next years Club Membership money on ebay to get the OG figures, if I can, and forgetting the Club. I'm very disappointed.

I agree with you. I missed out as well. I was at work. They can't offer pre-orders or make enough for the paying membership because they are a bunch of total *uck ups! Now I have to pay higher ebay prices or just not even bother getting this set. Thanks Club!

[Xenos]

The issue is that they should make enough sets to cover both attending and non attending paying club members. It can't be more than three or four thousand people. This would also help bring the total cost of the sets down some. That's ok though. They won't be getting membership money from me in the future.

And how many sets would that be? Last year was the first time they ever sold out, and that took a couple of weeks, so this year they upped production by 20%. What do you think would be a good number for them to make?

[CrimsonGuard101]

And how many sets would that be? Last year was the first time they ever sold out, and that took a couple of weeks, so this year they upped production by 20%. What do you think would be a good number for them to make?

that isnt a wise way to do it, they will never be able to "guess" the right number, there is a better way to guage demand. Pre-orders. Take pre-orders for non-attendees and do away with the non-attendee package and make it a loose set only. Then give the attendee peeps an extra bonus between a regualar box set and a premium gold plated box set. There...both non attendees and attendees can get something outta their memberships with the club.

[Hellion42]

And how many sets would that be? Last year was the first time they ever sold out, and that took a couple of weeks, so this year they upped production by 20%. What do you think would be a good number for them to make?

Enough so that when I call them up in the morning and politely explain that I missed out on buying these solely due to the registration site seeing my fully paid and up-to-date membership as lapsed they can say, "Oh, we're sorry, we have a few set aside for just that reason. Let me take your information."

Now if you'll excuse me I need to get back to the OTHER dream, the one about the bunny rabbit and a washing machine and Certs.

[paraviper]

And how many sets would that be? Last year was the first time they ever sold out, and that took a couple of weeks, so this year they upped production by 20%. What do you think would be a good number for them to make?

What I already said the first time. Enough to cover the paying membership. This club has been a royal *uck up this year on many levels plain and simple.

[Mongoose]

And how many sets would that be? Last year was the first time they ever sold out, and that took a couple of weeks, so this year they upped production by 20%. What do you think would be a good number for them to make?

Agreed. If they sell out, then they suck, but if they make too many, then they're sitting on product they can't sell.

If they do preorders, and then something goes wrong at the last minute (like with the Maulers), then everyone is pissed.

If they produce sets based off what people say they'll buy, then they'll be stuck with a ton of product like what happened with the M.O.T.H. Sets.

People can whine and bitch about what decisions they make, but I doubt most of us know how difficult it can be running the club.

[paraviper]

that isnt a wise way to do it, they will never be able to "guess" the right number, there is a better way to guage demand. Pre-orders. Take pre-orders for non-attendees and do away with the non-attendee package and make it a loose set only. Then give the attendee peeps an extra bonus between a regualar box set and a premium gold plated box set. There...both non attendees and attendees can get something outta their memberships with the club.

Thank you.

[Breakerfan]

Agreed. If they sell out, then they suck, but if they make too many, then they're sitting on product they can't sell.

If they do preorders, and then something goes wrong at the last minute (like with the Maulers), then everyone is pissed.

If they produce sets based off what people say they'll buy, then they'll be stuck with a ton of product like what happened with the M.O.T.H. Sets.

People can whine and bitch about what decisions they make, but I doubt most of us know how difficult it can be running the club.

I would have bought some of those M.O.T.H. sets if they and their shipping was not so ungodly priced

[cmderinchief]

wow, who pissed in Tom's cheerios tonight?
To be fair, Tom prefers piss. It when you add milk is when he gets upset.

[Breakerfan]

To be fair, Tom prefers piss. It when you add milk is when he gets upset.

I think it is unfair that Tom has cheerios. I went to all the trouble to knock out the checkout lady to get mine. It is not fair that Tom has his own box as well. Life is not fair. SO unfair.

[Xenos]

that isnt a wise way to do it, they will never be able to "guess" the right number, there is a better way to guage demand. Pre-orders. Take pre-orders for non-attendees and do away with the non-attendee package and make it a loose set only. Then give the attendee peeps an extra bonus between a regualar box set and a premium gold plated box set. There...both non attendees and attendees can get something outta their memberships with the club.

Even with that though, how many people would be willing to pay up-front ~six months in advance? And like was already said, what happens with a situation like they had with the Maulers when the cost unexpectedly went up, and they ended up having to cancel the preorder?

While I agree that it would be nice if they could do a preorder system, it just doesn't really work out in practice. If it did, more companies would offer that approach.

[Breakerfan]

Even with that though, how many people would be willing to pay up-front ~six months in advance? And like was already said, what happens with a situation like they had with the Maulers when the cost unexpectedly went up, and they ended up having to cancel the preorder?

While I agree that it would be nice if they could do a preorder system, it just doesn't really work out in practice. If it did, more companies would offer that approach.

Speaking of preorder, what ever happened to the club subscription? Is that still around?

[paraviper]

I would have bought some of those M.O.T.H. sets if they and their shipping was not so ungodly priced

They run a really screwed up operation over at the club. If you think the shipping is bad wait till someone steals your credit card information. Please get a Lifelock membership before placing an order.

[ShockVal]

Was there ever any doubt this would happen?

[CrimsonGuard101]

Even with that though, how many people would be willing to pay up-front ~six months in advance? And like was already said, what happens with a situation like they had with the Maulers when the cost unexpectedly went up, and they ended up having to cancel the preorder?

While I agree that it would be nice if they could do a preorder system, it just doesn't really work out in practice. If it did, more companies would offer that approach.

Wouldnt matter, the attendee version will have a set amount like 600 like this time so they will already know those wills ell out. If no one pre-orders there wont be any extra sets period. So they wont be out anything if non attendees dont order any, they are looking to bank on attendees more so anyway from the way this registration was handled. Mauler tanks were different, they didnt plan for those well, plus they were vehicles with potential mold issues. I dont think a con set of figures has run into such a debacle before.

[Dragasses]

Agreed. If they sell out, then they suck, but if they make too many, then they're sitting on product they can't sell.

If they do preorders, and then something goes wrong at the last minute (like with the Maulers), then everyone is pissed.

If they produce sets based off what people say they'll buy, then they'll be stuck with a ton of product like what happened with the M.O.T.H. Sets.

People can whine and bitch about what decisions they make, but I doubt most of us know how difficult it can be running the club.
clearly it is exceedingly difficult to run the club.

hell, the club just barely does it.

[Breakerfan]

They run a really screwed up operation over at the club. If you think the shipping is bad wait till someone steals your credit card information. Please get a Lifelock membership before placing an order.

I never buy from the club with credit card info. I send them blood and first born children.

[Godzilla]

whats the difference from hero's set and base commanders ?

Hero's set has the 3 3/4 figures set. Base commanders is the 12 inch figures set.

Well it will be first and last club membership with the GIJOE Collectors Club. I got my Footloose. After this on not able to get OG set, I hold no hope in getting a carded Footloose for my collection before paying ungodly prices on ebay. Thanks for the Footloose, GCC! At least you wont get more of my money after this. *SIGH* At least I bought a custom OG group before but I need Horrorshow and Dragonski.

[paraviper]

Wouldnt matter, the attendee version will have a set amount like 600 like this time so they will already know those wills ell out. If no one pre-orders there wont be any extra sets period. So they wont be out anything if non attendees dont order any, they are looking to bank on attendees more so anyway from the way this registration was handled. Mauler tanks were different, they didnt plan for those well, plus they were vehicles with potential mold issues. I dont think a con set of figures has run into such a debacle before.

qft.

[paraviper]

Hero's set has the 3 3/4 figures set. Base commanders is the 12 inch figures set.

Well it will be first and last club membership with the GIJOE Collectors Club. I got my Footloose. After this on not able to get OG set, I hold no hope in getting a carded Footloose for my collection before paying ungodly prices on ebay. Thanks for the Footloose, GCC! At least you wont get more of my money after this. *SIGH* At least I bought a custom OG group before but I need Horrorshow and Dragonski.

I'm with you. I've been a paying member for over five years. This is my last year for sure.

[Xenos]

Wouldnt matter, the attendee version will have a set amount like 600 like this time so they will already know those wills ell out. If no one pre-orders there wont be any extra sets period. So they wont be out anything if non attendees dont order any, they are looking to bank on attendees more so anyway from the way this registration was handled. Mauler tanks were different, they didnt plan for those well, plus they were vehicles with potential mold issues. I dont think a con set of figures has run into such a debacle before.

That still doesn't answer the question as to what they would do if the sets cost more then expected. What it they sold a preorder for the same price as last year, but once it went to production they realized it would cost more. Would they then go back to everyone that preordered and ask for another $30? Or would they cancel all the preorders?

[Dragasses]

That still doesn't answer the question as to what they would do if the sets cost more then expected. What it they sold a preorder for the same price as last year, but once it went to production they realized it would cost more. Would they then go back to everyone that preordered and ask for another $30? Or would they cancel all the preorders?
both?

[tycondrius]

You'll get that email within the next 6 hours. That's how these things go with the club.

sweet jebus you said 6 hours well I just got the email about no more at 6am :P

[Tom-1]

To be fair, Tom prefers piss. It when you add milk is when he gets upset.

I DRINK IT UP!

Tom

[Xenos]

both?

Even that doesn't answer the question though. If half the people agree to pay the extra $30 and the other half decline, then the price might would go up on them again, and they would have to ask for even more, witch would then lead to more people backing out.

[tycondrius]

ok heres a crazy idea they said some attendees sets are avail if I was to pay for one of those and then get sumone who's going to the con to pick it up at the same time as theirs would they allow that ?

[Hellion42]

Even that doesn't answer the question though. If half the people agree to pay the extra $30 and the other half decline, then the price might would go up on them again, and they would have to ask for even more, witch would then lead to more people backing out.
The same thing could conceivably happen with the FSS... but they seem to be going ahead with that anyway. Maybe.

[Dragasses]

Even that doesn't answer the question though. If half the people agree to pay the extra $30 and the other half decline, then the price might would go up on them again, and they would have to ask for even more, witch would then lead to more people backing out.
you misunderstand my reply.

with the way they seem to handle things they would probably just take the money and run.

I'm just kidding, I'm really not that bitter. but, seriously how do you think they should run their business as to not alienate there fan base?

[Godzilla]

I dont understand why there is still bitching on whether they should or shouldnt do preorders. We are talking about this Con set. They didnt do a preorder. It is sold out. GCC did it in a way they deemed fit to their convenience not to OUR convenience.

Being in the GiJOE club is more trouble than it is worth. Sure I got my Footloose but this aggravation of sold out OG vs IG set and plus the fact that my credit card number was stolen when they got hacked causing me to close my account and to get a new account and waiting for the new CC to come in plus the hassle of changing auto payments to numerous places that have the old card number, this membership value is in the negative in my book. I give kudos to my CC company as they saw the probing charge and promptly shut my account. Albiet I wasnt happy, it was misdirected to the CC company where it should be directed to GCC.

[Xenos]

you miss understand my reply.

with the way they seem to handle things they would probably just take the money and run.

I'm just kidding, I'm really not that bitter. but, seriously how do you think they should run their business as to not alienate there fan base?

I think for the most part they aren't alienating their fanbase. Their member ship has been going up every year. Obviously, the credit card situation was bad, and I'm sure they will see some backlash over that in this year's subscription numbers, but as far as their product goes, I think there are way more people that are excited about what they offer then there are people upset about it. It's just that the upset people are always the most vocal.

The fact that con exclusives sell out shouldn't surprise anyone, and for the most part, I think people understand the limited nature of these types of things. However, there are always people that miss out and are upset. Just look at the Hasbro SDCC offerings. Do you think they are alienating their fans by offering those things? I don't. I think for the most part people like those exclusives, but there are always the vocal minority that are upset.

[CrimsonGuard101]

Even that doesn't answer the question though. If half the people agree to pay the extra $30 and the other half decline, then the price might would go up on them again, and they would have to ask for even more, witch would then lead to more people backing out.

You factor that into the pre-order costs, like take a $30 non-refundable pre-order charge, just like everyone else does. Under promise over deliver. I know shocking...but it can be done, espceially for 30$ a set. They could easily ask for that in a premium to pre-order. Just do it and see how it works out, what will it hurt? You can search for answers answers...but that aint fun..so jump in the Pit and try to love some joes!

Other thing they can to do is increase the fees for the attendee packages later on if the costs go over, as much as they over charge to begin with for the sets (you know they make a good deal off them) the differences your specualting they might run into can easily be made up in many ways behind the scenes. Or add a price subject to change, like have the option to renew your membership and choose to buy next years con set. Its a gamble, but would work to the advantage of everyone including the club upfront at renewal to say I want next years set before you know what its going to be. After the way this was handled, I bet a lot of non-attedning peeps would love to have that option.

[PacifistPrime]

I can't believe it! 3 hours and it sold out!?!

I was sitting at my damn computer the whole time, on facebook even, and by the time I happened to check my email for the second time that day, it had gone from first notification to being already sold out!

I ultimately have no one to blame but myself, but I really, really wish there had been some kind of pre-notification warning or countdown, like and email saying "We are expecting non-attendee packages to go online at 9pm EST" 24hrs beforehand at least!

Is this just me being left behind by the Twitter age? I didn't even see anything about this on Facebook...!

So, SO very disappointed and sad to have missed out. Frustrated and sad, and DREADING what I'll have to pay on eBay for this now.

[CrimsonGuard101]

I can't believe it! 3 hours and it sold out!?!

I was sitting at my damn computer the whole time, on facebook even, and by the time I happened to check my email for the second time that day, it had gone from first notification to being already sold out!

I ultimately have no one to blame but myself, but I really, really wish there had been some kind of pre-notification warning or countdown, like and email saying "We are expecting non-attendee packages to go online at 9pm EST" 24hrs beforehand at least!

Is this just me being left behind by the Twitter age? I didn't even see anything about this on Facebook...!

So, SO very disappointed and sad to have missed out. Frustrated and sad, and DREADING what I'll have to pay on eBay for this now.

They sorta did warn us :( they said "a few days later" basically implying you needed to be pressing F5 all day to cacth it...for over a week..

[Dragasses]

I think for the most part they aren't alienating their fanbase. Their member ship has been going up every year. Obviously, the credit card situation was bad, and I'm sure they will see some backlash over that in this year's subscription numbers, but as far as their product goes, I think there are way more people that are excited about what they offer then there are people upset about it. It's just that the upset people are always the most vocal.

The fact that con exclusives sell out shouldn't surprise anyone, and for the most part, I think people understand the limited nature of these types of things. However, there are always people that miss out and are upset. Just look at the Hasbro SDCC offerings. Do you think they are alienating their fans by offering those things? I don't. I think for the most part people like those exclusives, but there are always the vocal minority that are upset.
oh, I like the set. and I like footloose. and I like the magazine, when I get it. I'm fine. I never thought everyone is entitled to get everything they want just because they want it. that's silly. I just thought one of the main points of being a member of a fan site was to postulate a few "what ifs" now and then.

everything is fine. business as usual.

[bluesparrow]

Preorders make sense to me.

The guy saying preorders wouldn't work because the costs would too hard to account for ahead of time, wtf are you talking about? How many toys are sold through preorders? From Mattel(large company) to Sideshow(medium sized company) to 3A(small company), a shitload. Nobody else has problems figuring out how much to charge months ahead of time, and make a profit. These are repainted figures with occasionally new heads, it's not like they're inventing a new action figure paradigm.

[CrimsonGuard101]

Preorders make sense to me.

The guy saying preorders wouldn't work because the costs would too hard to account for ahead of time, wtf are you talking about? How many toys are sold through preorders? From Mattel to Sideshow to 3A, a shitload. Nobody else has problems figuring out how much to charge months ahead of time, and make a profit. These are repainted figures with new heads, it's not like they're inventing a new action figure paradigm.

He has a valid point, but they havent run into these issues since they have been doing the 25th figures. (his exmaple was a vehicle mold, the mauler, they should have tested before going as far as they did and didnt, hasbro did a bad job of communicating the potential issue which lead to a huge disappointment) Is it possible a production issue could make the costs go up, yes. But like I said, PLAN ahead and charge accordingly. If for some reason you overcharge the hell outta people, offer a decremental refund if the overcharge was not needed. I think we would all like to see that, plus know we will get the figures we want. It would be easier to give money back then ask for more later...

[Blaster'spunchingbagg]

ebay has them for $460 (includes shipping and atendee figure)

much better than the $850 that the Mission Brazil set is currently selling for


Anyone have a link for these auctions because I don't see them on there.

[07GT500 COBRA]

If I had known months ago the set was Oktober Guard and a pre-order was available you can be damn sure I would have signed up and paid. Twice.

[Hellion42]

If I had known months ago the set was Oktober Guard and a pre-order was available you can be damn sure I would have signed up and paid. Twice.

http://s70.photobucket.com/albums/i116/hellion42/smilies/tazbot.gif

[bluesparrow]

He has a valid point, but they havent run into these issues since they have been doing the 25th figures. (his exmaple was a vehicle mold, the mauler, they should have tested before going as far as they did and didnt, hasbro did a bad job of communicating the potential issue which lead to a huge disappointment) Is it possible a production issue could make the costs go up, yes. But like I said, PLAN ahead and charge accordingly. If for some reason you overcharge the hell outta people, offer a decremental refund if the overcharge was not needed. I think we would all like to see that, plus know we will get the figures we want. It would be easier to give money back then ask for more later...

I'm sick of people using the Club's incompetence as an organization as an excuse for the Club to charge more for their products, or as an excuse for when they run into their inevitable, meandering delays.

"They have to charge more, they blew a ton of money because they didn't have adequate internet security and it got breached" or "They had to charge more, they blew a ton of money on an auction site no one used" or "it's taking so long because they didn't hire a competent web designer" etc. Those aren't excuses, they're problems. Fix the problems.

I understand that the money for these things has to come from somewhere, and the easiest thing is to charge us more, but that doesn't mean we have to *like* it. They screw up and it costs us, every single time.

[CrimsonGuard101]

I'm sick of people using the Club's incompetence as an organization as an excuse for the Club to charge more for their products, or as an excuse for when they run into their inevitable, meandering delays.

"They have to charge more, they blew a ton of money because they didn't have adequate internet security and it got breached" or "They had to charge more, they blew a ton of money on an auction site no one used" or "it's taking so long because they didn't hire a competent web designer" etc. I understand that the money for these things has to come from somewhere, and the easiest thing is to charge us more, but that doesn't mean we have to *like* it. They screw up and it costs us, every single time.

Yeah, most business always translate their losses back to their consumers...its been like that for several millenia lol...and those business that failed to keep thier customers happy eventually went out of bisuiness when enough of the consumer base went elsehwere...however with the club..they hold a monopoly on these figures...so alot of us cant go elshwere to get them

[bluesparrow]

Again, just because something is inevitably shitty and bad doesn't mean we have to like it and shut up.

[Blot]

And they've sold out!

Just got the e-mail.

[Roshan]

And they've sold out!

Just got the e-mail.

Welcome to yesterday.

[tarcanes92]

Anyone have a link for these auctions because I don't see them on there.

Mission Brazil
GI Joe 2011 Convention MISSION BRAZIL II BOX SET | eBay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/GI-Joe-2011-Convention-MISSION-BRAZIL-II-BOX-SET-/180892888102?pt=US_Action_Figures&hash=item2a1e0e6c26)

Oktober Guard all sold out. Here is the one that was active at the time.
GIJCC 2012 JoeCon Box Set + Attendee Only Exclusive! MIB pre-order Convention | eBay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280891038593)

[PacifistPrime]

Well, I'm pretty damn bummed out about this.
:-(
For all the trouble most people have with MattyCollector's infamous White Screen of Death, at least with those you know in advance exactly when their product will go on sale, and can do your best to be online & ready at the time and struggle through the queue.

But this? You just have to HAPPEN to be glued to your computer 24/7 and luck out to be be checking on an hourly basis?

Like I said, I was even SITTING AT MY COMPUTER virtually the whole time this 3hr window was ticking down, and I simply didn't know.
I just didn't happen to check my email within that 3hr window, and by the time I did, it was too late.

Really, really disappointed...

[Siegie1129]

I'm very dissapointed as well. The non attending member sets sold out in about 3 hours. I would have to have been glued to my computer to even have a chance to get this set.
It's frustrating becasue I've been a GI JOE Club member for a couple years and I thought I'd have a fair shot at getting a convention if I wanted it. Well, I guess I was wrong.
I just hope they don't run the Figure Subcription service the same way they did this club set.

[ToodlesMrJim]

crap... ugh is there anyone trustworthy who's already going and is taking their kid, wife or something that I can register and you could ship the figures to me afterwards.This way they can get in free and I can still get the figures. I take care of my gmom who has Alzheimer's so I can't make it, and I was banking on the homefront thing working for me. Please pm me if that's a possibility.

[PacifistPrime]

You know what?

I'm actually more depressed about this than I was/am about the movie bing pushed back 9 months.
:-(
At least with the movie I know I'll still be able to eventually see it for the same amount of money.

crap... ugh is there anyone trustworthy who's already going and is taking their kid, wife or something that I can register and you could ship the figures to me afterwards.This way they can get in free and I can still get the figures. I take care of my gmom who has Alzheimer's so I can't make it, and I was banking on the homefront thing working for me. Please pm me if that's a possibility.

Ditto.

If anyone that has good community feedback or eBay ratings can do me a deal for anything remotely approaching cost, PLEASE send me a PM.

[CityStrike]

I was considering buying memberships for me and my kid. I wasnt interested in the OG vs IG set but figured next year might be more my tastes, whatever that set might be. I cant believe anyone would be a member of this club. What are you getting for your money? After all the probs they had w CC faud you would think they would do their best to get members back and feeling good about the club but now this. Please, what it looks like from an outsider that was considering giving this club a chance is that GJCC is a joke run by incompetent buffoons. How can they not inform the members of when the sale starts or how many they can order before they start taking orders. What an absolute joke. They wont ever begetting any of my money

[T J Bang]

Clearly the club hates money.

[Crimson Rage]

Wow... I wake up to two e-mails: First one tells me I can now register for my non-attending package, the second tells me it's too late and the 3 3/4 sets have gone... I didn't want one personally, but foriegn Joe fans would have had to be up all night to snag a set. Hope the sub has a better allocation or I'll reallly be annoyed.

[poddie]

I have to agree with all the bitching. I was able to get the boxed set, but wanted a loose set too (what am I gonna do with the flippin' box on a set I'm opening anyway?).

I really think they need to figure out a way to serve their members better. Frankly, anyone that thinks that magazine is worth anything is either (a) really into comics or (b) has never read a magazine and doesn't know what the term means.

The free Footloose is cool, but they should make sure that one carded figure is also offered to every paying member at time of membership.

As everyone else has said, the con set needs to be offered for preorder as well. There is just no reason for them to be missing out on all the money they could be taking in by allowing preorders. Sure, production problems happen... you make sure that everyone pre-paying for a set knows that the contents are subject to change. If there are cost overruns you drop a figure.

I do believe many fans completely underestimate the difficulty of doing these things, but I also think that the club does a huge disservice to the fans by not thinking these things through and properly preparing. They also do themselves a disservice, as I suspect they could have sold at least twice as many sets if they had them to offer.

I personally could not care less about the CC fraud issue... this happens all the time, and the CC companies are generally pretty good at catching it before the situation gets too bad (yes, there are exceptions). But I accept CC fraud as a risk fo doing business with credit cards... they are something that offers enough convenience that they are worth a bit of risk.

But they need to serve their members and allow their exclusives to get out to as many people as possible that want them. Certainly cost is a prohibiting factor, but availability shouldn't be.

[ChaplainAsst]

I really can't believe how fast they sold out. Obviously some of this is scalpers seizing upon both the limited nature of the set as well as the demand. Watch how quickly many of these hit the secondary market. This is one of the strangest phenomena, how people say GI Joe isn't popular but how it also seems to be victim to scalpers more than TFs or SWs.

Nonetheless, I would argue this is because the Club waited until the next to last second to get the registration up. If it had been up in March, they might have time to run some additional sets. Heck, if the Club OFFERED to run additional sets now with the understanding that they would be mailed out when they were completed, that would earn them some credit. I get that they went with a safe number due to the backlash about the CC scam as well not wanting to lose money in case the set was not well received. What I don't get is how they are being kind of callous about this.

What Brian and the folks at Fun Pubs have to remember is that it is consumer driven. You want to make folks happy. Saying "It's a convention set, not a membership set" just throws salt into the wound. He could have scored some points here by being member-friendly, but the Club still hasn't learned the old phrase "membership has its privileges." As of now, it has none - it used to give discounts in the store, but what store? We don't even get the magazine anymore!

Like I said, they could have fixed this, but they continue to prove time and time again that this is not about Joe fans. In fact, in this case its not about making money. This time its "Let's this get this over with". Their focus is going to quickly turn to the FSS so that they can begin to break even with that.

2012 is looking like the downfall of the Club. They haven't improved in any single way. They do the minimum. They have a monopoly and so frankly they can. And even though they offer great product, that is eroding any desire to do business with them.

[Crimson Rage]

I misjudged... badly. I thought these would last a lot longer than the Mission Brazil sets did last year. I did take the Club's point that these are "Con attendee sets" and not "Club member sets" but come on... There are plenty of reasons why people can not attend as opposed to will not: Work, travel, illness, disabilty, FOREIGNERS!

[lsyd]

i put off buying TFC Hercules/non-Devastator only to now have to resort to ebay scalpers for a set. blah.

-

[ChaplainAsst]

I misjudged... badly. I thought these would last a lot longer than the Mission Brazil sets did last year. I did take the Club's point that these are "Con attendee sets" and not "Club member sets" but come on... There are plenty of reasons why people can not attend as opposed to will not: Work, travel, illness, disabilty, FOREIGNERS!

I get the Con attendee sets point, but I have numerous issues with that stance:
1) You need all the love you can get these days.
2) Tradition is well established that if you can't attend, you can buy one of these sets. There are plenty of goodies that are for attendees only.
3) This year, membership has meant very little. No discounts in the store since the store is down. The magazine has been absent much of the year - not to mention just plain wrong! And many members didn't get a Footloose figure, which I hope that they aren't lying about to get an extra. In other words, for some members, they paid their dues and are getting virtually nothing in return. What's the point of being in a club, then?
4) Selling more would be a hassle, but not an impossible one. And it would help with #1.
5) The Club doesn't get that it has become quite scalper-friendly. In its desire to maximize profits, it is leaving members out in the cold. With first-come, first-served attitude, it forgets those that support the Club. I don't think it would been a lot of trouble at all to require membership for the first day of non-attending. At least give members something besides a very late magazine and fingers crossed a figure!

[SonOfMindbender]

I misjudged... badly. I thought these would last a lot longer than the Mission Brazil sets did last year. I did take the Club's point that these are "Con attendee sets" and not "Club member sets" but come on... There are plenty of reasons why people can not attend as opposed to will not: Work, travel, illness, disabilty, FOREIGNERS!

I figured it would sell out faster this year, but they threw it to us like scraps to a dog. Would it have killed them to drop a note earlier in the day teasing the time they would go up?

[KrymsynGardImmoral]

I get the Con attendee sets point, but I have numerous issues with that stance:
1) You need all the love you can get these days.
2) Tradition is well established that if you can't attend, you can buy one of these sets. There are plenty of goodies that are for attendees only.
3) This year, membership has meant very little. No discounts in the store since the store is down. The magazine has been absent much of the year - not to mention just plain wrong! And many members didn't get a Footloose figure, which I hope that they aren't lying about to get an extra. In other words, for some members, they paid their dues and are getting virtually nothing in return. What's the point of being in a club, then?
4) Selling more would be a hassle, but not an impossible one. And it would help with #1.
5) The Club doesn't get that it has become quite scalper-friendly. In its desire to maximize profits, it is leaving members out in the cold. With first-come, first-served attitude, it forgets those that support the Club. I don't think it would been a lot of trouble at all to require membership for the first day of non-attending. At least give members something besides a very late magazine and fingers crossed a figure!

Agreed on all points, and for the one thing that everyone will pop up to defend the membership subscription, I still don't have my Footloose. So I paid my membership dues and haven't gotten shit this year. Except for the magazine I never read with articles written by shitty collectors. (that's your "gimme" Gyre). And that is when I get the magazine, i still haven't seen it this month.

Oh wait, I did have to call and cancel my credit card that was on file with them. That is something.

[mikeTime]

I totally missed out. I thought they said Registration would go live WED? I'm so done with the club. I didn't get any notice from them either. I might just be done in general. It was fun while it lasted but I think it's time to grow up and sell all this crap.

[Crimson Rage]

I get the Con attendee sets point, but I have numerous issues with that stance:
1) You need all the love you can get these days.
2) Tradition is well established that if you can't attend, you can buy one of these sets. There are plenty of goodies that are for attendees only.
3) This year, membership has meant very little. No discounts in the store since the store is down. The magazine has been absent much of the year - not to mention just plain wrong! And many members didn't get a Footloose figure, which I hope that they aren't lying about to get an extra. In other words, for some members, they paid their dues and are getting virtually nothing in return. What's the point of being in a club, then?
4) Selling more would be a hassle, but not an impossible one. And it would help with #1.
5) The Club doesn't get that it has become quite scalper-friendly. In its desire to maximize profits, it is leaving members out in the cold. With first-come, first-served attitude, it forgets those that support the Club. I don't think it would been a lot of trouble at all to require membership for the first day of non-attending. At least give members something besides a very late magazine and fingers crossed a figure!

With you all the way. While I was indifferent about the IG's in the con box, I was considering picking up a set a little later if there had been any left simply for the OG figures...

It'll be even more annoying if, like last year, the Club "find" some bagged sets down the road that their dumb "one-for-one" policy means I couldn't even consider getting... Oh well, I was skint anyway.

[volleydan]

The issue is that they should make enough sets to cover both attending and non attending paying club members. It can't be more than three or four thousand people. This would also help bring the total cost of the sets down some. That's ok though. They won't be getting membership money from me in the future.


That kind of defeats the purpose of it being a "convention exclusive", doesn't it?

The con set has never been *promised* to be available to all club members. In the past, they've sold extras online for non-attendees, but that was only because they didn't sell out to attendees and wanted to sell through.

I also love how you think that just making "three or four thousand" of these things is just that easy......

[07GT500 COBRA]

I think the Club and Hasbro sorely miscalculated on the popularity of the Oktober Guard. There are lot of collectors like myself that were hardcore fans in the '80s who got out by the '90s that LOVED the Oktober Guard. They were prominent characters in the comics and recieved more character development in story arcs than probably half of the GI Joe team itself. I know I always wanted O-ring figures of them back then, but I was out of collecting by the time these figures were made. (Speaking of which, secondary pricing for those figures is pretty strong and should of been foretelling too.) Then a lot of these collectors came back with the 25th line with renewed nostalgic vigor and a deeper pockets to collect this stuff. It's akin to baby boomers going back and buying those muscle cars of the '60s that they had or always wanted.

Anyhow, it was a mistake on Hasbro's part to throw these to the Club and the Club then mistakenly ordered too few sets. I think they could have easily moved 750 or more boxed sets alone and at least another 400 or more bagged sets. In short, if it's GI Joe from the '80s it's going to be popular far more often than not.

[gk11973]

I figured it would sell out faster this year, but they threw it to us like scraps to a dog. Would it have killed them to drop a note earlier in the day teasing the time they would go up?

I totally agree, I had money put back for this, so I would be ready. There should have been a notification that the non-attendee registration would be up at a specific time and date so that everyone had an equal chance. Kind of like when concert tickets go on sale. That way everyone has an equal chance at getting them. Instead they just randomly go live and a lot of people miss out because they had no way of knowing. Whats next... the FSS goes up without notice as well??

[Hellion42]

Enough so that when I call them up in the morning and politely explain that I missed out on buying these solely due to the registration site seeing my fully paid and up-to-date membership as lapsed they can say, "Oh, we're sorry, we have a few set aside for just that reason. Let me take your information."

Now if you'll excuse me I need to get back to the OTHER dream, the one about the bunny rabbit and a washing machine and Certs.

Thankfully I didn't have the Certs dream. That one's freaky.

Unfortunately the club still has their off-hours phone message up, so it looks like the other dream's out, too. http://s70.photobucket.com/albums/i116/hellion42/smilies/raincloud.gif

[Gyre-Viper]

I think the Club and Hasbro sorely miscalculated on the popularity of the Oktober Guard. There are lot of collectors like myself that were hardcore fans in the '80s who got out by the '90s that LOVED the Oktober Guard. They were prominent characters in the comics and recieved more character development in story arcs than probably half of the GI Joe team itself. I know I always wanted O-ring figures of them back then, but I was out of collecting by the time these figures were made. (Speaking of which, secondary pricing for those figures is pretty strong and should of been foretelling too.) Then a lot of these collectors came back with the 25th line with renewed nostalgic vigor and a deeper pockets to collect this stuff. It's akin to baby boomers going back and buying those muscle cars of the '60s that they had or always wanted.

Anyhow, it was a mistake on Hasbro's part to throw these to the Club and the Club then mistakenly ordered too few sets. I think they could have easily moved 750 or more boxed sets alone and at least another 400 or more bagged sets. In short, if it's GI Joe from the '80s it's going to be popular far more often than not.


Because when Hasbro makes enough for everybody they never have any left over, right? There's a difference between Hasbro or retailers being stuck with product and the Club being stuck with product. Go check and see how many 7 packs BBTS is stuck with at the moment. And then think about it in terms of con sets that have twice as many figures. The Club isn't BBTS and they're certainly no Hasbro in that regard. I know I wouldn't want to be stuck with 50-300 unsold con sets.

[dmess]

Wow, what a year for the club and Hasbro. As someone else said, this may be it for me. I was truely looking forward to this set and would be only the second Con set I have ever bought as these were actually NEW figures and not just repaints. Some of MY most desired figures have been Con exlcusives that have been impossible to come by without resorting to ebay and it's ridiculous prices. Slaughter, Zarana, OG and I am sure Jinx will be impossible to get again. Footloose was only available to club members ($40 for a figure is ridiculous) that really have gotten nothing else in return this year. I paid for one, but got one with a lazy eye. At least I got one I guess.

I've stuck with collecting Joes since I was a kid in '83, but it just isn't fun anymore. Hunting for figures almost impossible to find, being teased by cool con exclusives, only being shut out because they don't make enough, crappy movies and toons getting canceled that have actually been decent...

[Hellion42]

Thankfully I didn't have the Certs dream. That one's freaky.

Unfortunately the club still has their off-hours phone message up, so it looks like the other dream's out, too. http://s70.photobucket.com/albums/i116/hellion42/smilies/raincloud.gif

And now I get an error message trying to fill out their web form. Is the admin2 email still active I wonder?

[Mainframe]

Because when Hasbro makes enough for everybody they never have any left over, right? There's a difference between Hasbro or retailers being stuck with product and the Club being stuck with product. Go check and see how many 7 packs BBTS is stuck with at the moment. And then think about it in terms of con sets that have twice as many figures. The Club isn't BBTS and they're certainly no Hasbro in that regard. I know I wouldn't want to be stuck with 50-300 unsold con sets.

Not to mention that the Club is still stuck with old con sets. You can't blame them for producing what they know will sell not what collectors think will sell

[JediJones]

While I agree that it would be nice if they could do a preorder system, it just doesn't really work out in practice. If it did, more companies would offer that approach.
It actually works out great with products exactly like this, high-end collectible products. That's why Sideshow Toys does it with every one of their releases. They don't necessarily wait for all pre-orders to come in before setting the production number. They start pre-orders many months in advance and use them as a gauge of demand to determine the production run. They do offer a more limited variant for early orders, with an extra accessory or something like that. But on these high-end products, people who can afford them in the first place are indeed willing to shell out the bucks in advance. To be fair, Sideshow doesn't charge in advance, only upon delivery. But I don't see how people would have more trouble coming up with the money if they have a window of a couple months to order vs. three hours.

[kneroh]

I love the notion of "If I don't get everything I want, when I want it and for the price I want it at, I QUIT!" Do you apply this thinking to other facets of your life or has everything just been a perfect ride for you so far?



Oh, and see ya.

[Roshan]

I love the notion of "If I don't get everything I want, when I want it and for the price I want it at, I QUIT!" Do you apply this thinking to other facets of your life or has everything just been a perfect ride for you so far?


I apply that notion to every facet of life except joe collecting. Been married 37 times.

[RolandofGilead]

No point in asking how that is working out for you then.

[JediJones]

Please, what it looks like from an outsider that was considering giving this club a chance is that GJCC is a joke run by incompetent buffoons. How can they not inform the members of when the sale starts or how many they can order before they start taking orders. What an absolute joke. They wont ever begetting any of my money
The thing is they already have a LOT of figures and vehicles that are exclusive to the convention attendees and are "surprise" announcements at the start of the con. This heavily promoted boxed set with online ordering available should be something that all club members can get. The whole problem started with them deciding for the first time since I've been in the club to let the attendees order several days in advance of the "Homefront Heroes." There should never have been this favoritism offered to the attendees when they ALREADY have tons of attendee-only exclusives the rest of the members can't get.

[Mongoose]

The thing is they already have a LOT of figures and vehicles that are exclusive to the convention attendees and are "surprise" announcements at the start of the con. This heavily promoted boxed set with online ordering available should be something that all club members can get. The whole problem started with them deciding for the first time since I've been in the club to let the attendees order several days in advance of the "Homefront Heroes." There should never have been this favoritism offered to the attendees when they ALREADY have tons of attendee-only exclusives the rest of the members can't get.

Then you would have had 100 or 200 more non-attendees take packages away from people who want to attend. That would lose the club even more money.

[kneroh]

I apply that notion to every facet of life except joe collecting. Been married 37 times.

That's just a courtesy to the ladies of the world though. Everyone should get one turn.

[RolandofGilead]

Just spoke with a nice lady at the club and she confirmed that my order went through.


Yay!

[Hellion42]

Just spoke with a nice lady at the club and she confirmed that my order went through.


Yay!

Also just spoke with a nice lady at the club who wasn't able to confirm anything but that they got my email (and that I'm very likely SoL). Apparently the brass is on-site at the con and won't be back for two days.

And the con site still thinks my membership has lapsed (not that it would do any good if it didn't at this point).

[Roshan]

There should never have been this favoritism offered to the attendees when they ALREADY have tons of attendee-only exclusives the rest of the members can't get.

You're right. It is hypocritical to have some for attendee only and then some not. Someone needs to put a stop to this. At con this year, I'm going to start a massive campaign to demand that next year, con sets can only be bought by people going to the con period. Anything left over after con can then only be sold at future cons or given away as con prizes.

[JediJones]

The con set has never been *promised* to be available to all club members. In the past, they've sold extras online for non-attendees, but that was only because they didn't sell out to attendees and wanted to sell through.
Total bunk. This is the first year I'm aware of where both attendees and non-attendees couldn't start ordering the sets on exactly the same day. I had no problem getting boxed and loose sets of Crimson Strike Team and Mission Brazil when I ordered the first day.

[07GT500 COBRA]

Because when Hasbro makes enough for everybody they never have any left over, right? There's a difference between Hasbro or retailers being stuck with product and the Club being stuck with product. Go check and see how many 7 packs BBTS is stuck with at the moment. And then think about it in terms of con sets that have twice as many figures. The Club isn't BBTS and they're certainly no Hasbro in that regard. I know I wouldn't want to be stuck with 50-300 unsold con sets.

Not to mention that the Club is still stuck with old con sets. You can't blame them for producing what they know will sell not what collectors think will sell

The Club is still stuck with old O-ring sets that won't sell.

Recent history proves that con and club exclusive versions of ME versions of ARAH '82-'88 products flat out sell out and escalate in secondary market price quickly.

Sgt. Slaughter
Zarana
SDCC Skystriker
Dial-Tone
Mission Brazil II
And you can be damn sure that SDCC Jinx will mimic Zarana prices if not worse with the movie postponement.

You then have this year's set with the 5 original Oktober Guard plus a new OG character with Voltar and 8 army builders from a cancelled 5-pack. This set had all the makings of selling like hot cakes and imo called for more than 100 additional box sets and 50 or so bagged sets (can't recall the exact number on that). I'm not saying the club should have ordered 2,000 total boxed and bagged sets or more, but I certainly think they under ordered a bit.

Now, I'm not taking digs at the club and I was not signed up during the credit card debacle. But I mostly like (and the rest love) what the club has offered. They have my support in these trying times.

[kneroh]

The Club is still stuck with old O-ring sets that won't sell.

Recent history proves that con and club exclusive versions of ME versions of ARAH '82-'88 products flat out sell out and escalate in secondary market price quickly.

Sgt. Slaughter
Zarana
SDCC Skystriker
Dial-Tone
Mission Brazil II
And you can be damn sure that SDCC Jinx will mimic Zarana prices if not worse with the movie postponement.

You then have this year's set with the 5 original Oktober Guard plus a new OG character with Voltar and 8 army builders from a cancelled 5-pack. This set had all the makings of selling like hot cakes and imo called for more than 100 additional box sets and 50 or so bagged sets (can't recall the exact number on that). I'm not saying the club should have ordered 2,000 total boxed and bagged sets or more, but I certainly think they under ordered a bit.

Now, I'm not taking digs at the club and I was not signed up during the credit card debacle. But I mostly like (and the rest love) what the club has offered. They have my support in these trying times.

Oh rly?

http://www.theterrordrome.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/joecon-09-exclusive-crimson-strike-team-figures.jpg

[BEAM]

5) The Club doesn't get that it has become quite scalper-friendly. In its desire to maximize profits, it is leaving members out in the cold. With first-come, first-served attitude, it forgets those that support the Club. I don't think it would been a lot of trouble at all to require membership for the first day of non-attending. At least give members something besides a very late magazine and fingers crossed a figure!

If they are going to limit quantities, ^this needs to happen. It's simple and increases the desirability of joining or renewing.

[JediJones]

Then you would have had 100 or 200 more non-attendees take packages away from people who want to attend. That would lose the club even more money.
Well the club knew they screwed the pooch this time and no doubt delayed non-attendee ordering just to stop that from happening. Why they figured it out a week ago and not long enough ago to increase production is beyond me.

The real way to mitigate the shortage would've been to not let ANYONE order BOTH a boxed and a loose bagged set and to truly limit the sets to 1-per-customer that way for online ordering. Everyone could order either one or the other. If any sets had not been claimed by the time the con rolled around, they could offer the sets to attendees there. And if any were still left over, they could sell them on the club web site afterwards.

Club members shouldn't be treated as chopped liver next to the con attendees.

[Hellion42]

ME versions of ARAH '82-'88 products

Oh rly?

http://www.theterrordrome.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/joecon-09-exclusive-crimson-strike-team-figures.jpg

I don't see any ME versions of classic characters in that picture... just a handful of repaints and a boatload of troop builders. http://s70.photobucket.com/albums/i116/hellion42/smilies/lol.gif I'm pretty sure the lack of inspiration in that set has been beaten to death at this point... rehash of a recent o-ring set, too many Vipers, not enough characters, etc. The last 3 sets have included selling points with a little more oomph than "red Twins," "red Baroness," and "more red Vipers than you can fit comfortably into a minivan." Sales reflected that. http://s70.photobucket.com/albums/i116/hellion42/smilies/shrug.gif

[07GT500 COBRA]

Oh rly?

http://www.theterrordrome.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/joecon-09-exclusive-crimson-strike-team-figures.jpg

Knew someone would post that. You have a complete set of 15 repaints there ALL of which were previously made in ME format. Also, NONE of which were featured versions in the glory days of '82-'87 ARAH. My argument was for first run ME versions of ARAH products from that era:

Sgt. Slaughter
Zarana
Dial-Tone
Mission Brazil namely with Claymore, Sparta as a stand-in for Cover Girl, a bit more accurate Leatherneck, and a bad-ass Wet Suit. Plus you had the Mortal figure. The Dial-Tone repaint is even selling well as a stand-in for the ARAH ME version. The only snoozers are the PP troopers and Mainframe.

The OG/IG set then more than doubles the number of first time characters in ME form (7 total) and then has previously cancelled exclusives thrown in. We all know the secondary prices that most cancelled items have been fetching on eBay.

Nice try, but the Crimson Strike set is literally a red herring in this debate.

[RolandofGilead]

Hey I liked that set.



(although I did sell off half the Crimson Vipers) :D

[kneroh]

Just saying that being a ME tooled set does not guarantee a sell out. Even last years set was still available at con and the bagged set last a while longer after that if I'm not mistaken.

Besides, how many people after all the Club's woes this year said they were done with the club forever... fuck those guys, I'm never going to con, I'm never going to buy another product from them again... etc etc... Can you blame them for not over producing?

Now it's all, why didn't the club make more?!?! I want to order? Here's my money!!!!

[Hellion42]

Hey I liked that set.



(although I did sell off half the Crimson Vipers) :D

I bought a Viper off of someone who did just that and called it a day... and then had a change of heart regarding the attendee figures from that year and had to pay $60 a figure on average to catch up. http://s70.photobucket.com/albums/i116/hellion42/smilies/heh.gif
the Crimson Strike set is literally a red herring in this debate.

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[dmess]

I love the notion of "If I don't get everything I want, when I want it and for the price I want it at, I QUIT!" Do you apply this thinking to other facets of your life or has everything just been a perfect ride for you so far?



Oh, and see ya.

If you are refering to my post go back and reread it. This is like the 5th time in recent history that I have been disappointed in Joe Collecting. Not because I wasn't willing to pay the price or didn't attempt to, but because I was prevented from giving them my money because I didn't have $1000 extra to spend on a trip to just buy a toy. The Cons hold no interest to me. If it isn't fun for me any more, why would I keep doing it? Out of some sense of obligation to keep spending money on something I get no joy from? Why offer something on-line you can't support?

I am not asking you quit, so why comment? If you are happy with everything then great. Move on to another thread. I am probably quiting because of continued disappointments. Not just the most recent incident. Ever heard the phrase "the straw that broke the camels back"? It isn't the clubs fault, but an over arching feeling that Hasbro is mishandling the line in all phases which prevents me from enjoying it. This is just one more disappointment. If the club produces more sets or the OG are made available in another form I will come back becuase it shows an effort to reach out to the community as a whole and not just those few who attend the con (and there really are only a small amount of collectors that attend the con).

[kneroh]

If you are refering to my post go back and reread it. This is like the 5th time in recent history that I have been disappointed in Joe Collecting. Not because I wasn't willing to pay the price or didn't attempt to, but because I was prevented from giving them my money because I didn't have $1000 extra to spend on a trip to just buy a toy. The Cons hold no interest to me. If it isn't fun for me any more, why would I keep doing it? Out of some sense of obligation to keep spending money on something I get no joy from? Why offer something on-line you can't support?

I am not asking you quit, so why comment? If you are happy with everything then great. Move on to another thread. I am probably quiting because of continued disappointments. Not just the most recent incident. Ever heard the phrase "the straw that broke the camels back"? It isn't the clubs fault, but an over arching feeling that Hasbro is mishandling the line in all phases which prevents me from enjoying it. This is just one more disappointment. If the club produces more sets or the OG are made available in another form I will come back becuase it shows an effort to reach out to the community as a whole and not just those few who attend the con (and there really are only a small amount of collectors that attend the con).

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[07GT500 COBRA]

Just saying that being a ME tooled set does not guarantee a sell out. Even last years set was still available at con and the bagged set last a while longer after that if I'm not mistaken.

Besides, how many people after all the Club's woes this year said they were done with the club forever... fuck those guys, I'm never going to con, I'm never going to buy another product from them again... etc etc... Can you blame them for not over producing?

Now it's all, why didn't the club make more?!?! I want to order? Here's my money!!!!

Nope. I can't blame the club for doing what they have. They did figure the set would be more popular. Hence, the bump in production. I just thought the facts pointed to an even more popular set. Who knows, maybe they had planned even more sets to start with, but the credit card fiasco tied up funds for a larger order?

[Mongoose]

There are items from previous cons that I don't have, because those are the cons I didn't go to. Yes, I would like the same opportunity to get those items as the attendees, but I know that isn't a realistic expectation.

I agree that the club hasn't really offered much this past year for its members. The FSS delay, the late newsletters, a nonexistent online store, and poor communication. Should the club try harder to please its members? Definitely; however, I don't think they've handled this con set poorly minus the poor communication.

The club can plan in advance what set they're making and what to charge. They then have to wait for Hasbro to tell them they can use those molds. They have to wait for the factories to get them production samples. they have to fix the mistakes. Maybe Hasbro changes their minds and the process starts over again. The club is NOT a large company that can afford high production runs and high overhead. Last year's set sold out rather quickly, so they tried to adjust it this year by making 100 more. Yes, they should have produced more, but they had no way of knowing how many.

Many of you wanted preorders, but preorders don't work. I wouldn't pay the $345 for a preorder with no guarantee of final product or price. A lot of people wouldn't. If they sold 200 preorder sets and then upped the price by $40 2 months later, people would be outraged. Don't try and tell me there wouldn't be 45 pages of bitching about it on the forums. As someone else stated, the club heard a LOT of people saying they were done after the credit card problems. Had they gone by that, they would have made less sets. Face it, people don't always do what they say. There is NO way that the club can accurately gauge interest in a set, so they try their best. They will NEVER be spot on. Either they'll have too many sets left over, or they'll sell out.

Yes, the club has made some horrible errors, but that doesn't mean they're actively trying to screw everyone all the time.

[Roshan]

5) The Club doesn't get that it has become quite scalper-friendly.

Incredibly wrong. It's what they want. It's what every successful collectible line wants. Every CCG, TMG, sports card and action figure line aspire to have value in the aftermarket in their product. Demand builds interest and sells through product.

The club has said publicly at show panels, they want the club product you have in your hands to increase in value. How collectible is Roddy Piper if they made 2000 instead of 1000? It's been a long time of trail and error for the club to get the right numbers, but they're much closer now to the right mix than they have been in the past when they've had 100's of extra sets left over from year to year.

And what do you mean by has become scalper friendly? Are you blind to the last 10 years of con figures? It's always been scalper friendly. It just goes year by year to the resale value from figure to figure.

Even when it's a ho hum year, like clockwork you can find a scalper whining thread right after con.

[Mongoose]

Incredibly wrong. It's what they want. It's what every successful collectible line wants. Every CCG, TMG, sports card and action figure line aspire to have value in the aftermarket in their product. Demand builds interest and sells through product.

The club has said publicly at show panels, they want the club product you have in your hands to increase in value. How collectible is Roddy Piper if they made 2000 instead of 1000? It's been a long time of trail and error for the club to get the right numbers, but they're much closer now to the right mix than they have been in the past when they've had 100's of extra sets left over from year to year.

And what do you mean by has become scalper friendly? Are you blind to the last 10 years of con figures? It's always been scalper friendly. It just goes year by year to the resale value from figure to figure.

Even when it's a ho hum year, like clockwork you can find a scalper whining thread right after con.

Well said.

[Roshan]

Nope. I can't blame the club for doing what they have. They did figure the set would be more popular. Hence, the bump in production. I just thought the facts pointed to an even more popular set. Who knows, maybe they had planned even more sets to start with, but the credit card fiasco tied up funds for a larger order?

There were no facts to point to it being larger. Previous con history did not give them any indication of a future wherein they would see it imperative to drastically increase the number of sets. The only con set sellout, at the show or before, ever was last year. The only other ME set did not sell out at Kansas City during the show. The Rhode Island set did terribly. You can't look at it as a year to year thing, that's when costly mistakes come into play.

Had the club adjusted numbers earlier in the game, they might have the ratio set better. Even with these increases, this year's New Orleans numbers are much lower than last New Orleans con numbers

Slaughter and the Renegades were 1000 each
Con Set 750
Ferrets 800
even the warthog was crazy high at 600. Twice what the big vehicle last year was made at.

[Troynos]

Now it's all, why didn't the club make more?!?! I want to order? Here's my money!!!!

No kidding.

Sometimes it feels like a preschool around here.

[RolandofGilead]

Must be why the convention Warthog is the cheaper one to get on eBay.

[Headman]

I think it's great how Kneroh has seemlessly filled the void that Gunslingercbr left behind. It's like watching Steve Young replace Joe Montana. You're never going to see this kind of back to back greatness again people.

[Hellion42]

however, I don't think they've handled this con set poorly minus the poor communication.

I'm going to add the poor job they did on the back end for this as well. They spent weeks/months on the ordering system, pushing registration back to a point where many attendees were starting to feel uncomfortable about cutting travel plans so close. Then once registration went live some had issues where the system didn't properly recognize their membership as current. Attendees, while inconvenienced, had the benefit of having customer support available to help resolve their issues. As registration for non-attendees went live last night after business hours, anyone with the same issue was left out in the cold while first the bagged then the boxed sets sold out. As of this morning, club management is reportedly on-site in NO and customer service can't do anything to help.

So yeah... I'd say that qualifies as "poor" as well.

[Mongoose]

I'm going to add the poor job they did on the back end for this as well. They spent weeks/months on the ordering system, pushing registration back to a point where many attendees were starting to feel uncomfortable about cutting travel plans so close. Then once registration went live some had issues where the system didn't properly recognize their membership as current. Attendees, while inconvenienced, had the benefit of having customer support available to help resolve their issues. As registration for non-attendees went live last night after business hours, anyone with the same issue was left out in the cold while first the bagged then the boxed sets sold out. As of this morning, club management is reportedly on-site in NO and customer service can't do anything to help.

So yeah... I'd say that qualifies as "poor" as well.

I'll agree with you there. A lot of that could have been resolved with better communication.

[kneroh]

I think it's great how Kneroh has seemlessly filled the void that Gunslingercbr left behind. It's like watching Steve Young replace Joe Montana. You're never going to see this kind of back to back greatness again people.

As soon as I start using the word logic once per every 3 other words you can make that argument.

[Troynos]

What surprises me is how shocked people are that the Club didn't do something right.

When have they ever?

[RolandofGilead]

I think it's great how Kneroh has seemlessly filled the void that Gunslingercbr left behind. It's like watching Steve Young replace Joe Montana. You're never going to see this kind of back to back greatness again people.

As soon as I start using the word logic once per every 3 other words you can make that argument.

I miss the gunslinger. No one could argue more logically and dispassionately about any GI Joe subject while being unable to separate childhood expectations from the Star Wars prequels the way he could.


And he would expect me to say just that were he here. :D

[KingBiohazerd]

What surprises me is how shocked people are that the Club didn't do something right.

When have they ever?


LOL so true.

[Roshan]

I'm mostly shocked about how the club sent e-mails out for a week straight telling people to log in and make sure their info was correct, and that it said they were up to date... SHOCKED.

Oh, wait, that's not what we're complaining about? We're not complaining about how the club's good communication with "Make sure you're shit's up to date" for a full week before ATTENDEE Reg went live? Hmm...

-Kevin

The only person I have sympathy for on that is hellion. He should have got a set.

[Hellion42]

I'm mostly shocked about how the club sent e-mails out for a week straight telling people to log in and make sure their info was correct, and that it said they were up to date... SHOCKED.

Oh, wait, that's not what we're complaining about? We're not complaining about how the club's good communication with "Make sure you're shit's up to date" for a full week before ATTENDEE Reg went live? Hmm...

-Kevin

Yeah, it's amazing how every aspect of my club membership works flawlessly except for con registration. It's like there's a bug in the system or something.
The only person I have sympathy for on that is hellion. He should have got a set.
Thanks for the support. Perhaps you could let the club know you've got my back? http://s70.photobucket.com/albums/i116/hellion42/smilies/optimuslaugh.gif

[Roshan]

Thanks for the support. Perhaps you could let the club know you've got my back? http://s70.photobucket.com/albums/i116/hellion42/smilies/optimuslaugh.gif

I complain too much about the club for them to listen to me. I complain a whoooole lot more in person than I do online.

In your case though, when you were a member in good standing, had sent multiple e-mails to them when con sets available saying it was unable to let you into the system, you should get a set.
Had they opened it up during business hours you could have got through to one of the reps and they would have taken care of the situation no problem.


I wouldn't push it though by asking for a loose set if they do come through with a boxed set. Those were near sold out from the beginning.

[Xenos]

I complain too much about the club for them to listen to me. I complain a whoooole lot more in person than I do online.

In your case though, when you were a member in good standing, had sent multiple e-mails to them when con sets available saying it was unable to let you into the system, you should get a set.
Had they opened it up during business hours you could have got through to one of the reps and they would have taken care of the situation no problem.
I agree 100%. I don'[t understand why they made the registration go live and then went home for the night. They should have put it up during business hours, and they should have given 24 hours notice. Though, I wonder if they didn't give advance notice so the servers wouldn't get overloaded.

[Hellion42]

Had they opened it up during business hours you could have got through to one of the reps and they would have taken care of the situation no problem.
That was my thought as well. It was all very frustrating. I've got a line out to Pete via PM (a long shot but he was the only individual from the club I had contact info for) so we'll see what happens.

I wouldn't push it though by asking for a loose set if they do come through with a boxed set. Those were near sold out from the beginning.
Heh, I'd be happy with either. My hopes are faint though as Karen said "there's nothing to pull from" when I called this morning. I know they keep extras in reserve in case there's QC issues or something, but I wouldn't want to screw anyone else over either.

[Roshan]

Heh, I'd be happy with either. My hopes are faint though as Karen said "there's nothing to pull from" when I called this morning. I know they keep extras in reserve in case there's QC issues or something, but I wouldn't want to screw anyone else over either.

I've squandered my chance at taking advantage of the QC extras each year because I'm too lazy to go through my stuff right away even though they tell you when you buy to do it.

This year, I vow to check over my entire con set and loose set before leaving con. Almost every year I forget to til I get home and each year, something's missing so I can't replace it because it's too late. It's almost always in the loose set too.

2011 - Wet Suits accessories from box set
2010 - Flame trooper missing from loose set
2009 - Viper missing an arm (caught that one and replaced it though)
2008 - nothin
2007 - One of the lady cobras was missing a helmet
2006 - helmet missing on Major Bludd trooper
2005 - bought 12 of the Sky Hawk's and all 12 had the two of the same side. They even announced this one on the show floor multiple times, so that was way my bad.
can't remember any further back than that. The point is, always check your sets. way off topic there, but whatever.

[Mongoose]

I've squandered my chance at taking advantage of the QC extras each year because I'm too lazy to go through my stuff right away even though they tell you when you buy to do it.

This year, I vow to check over my entire con set and loose set before leaving con. Almost every year I forget to til I get home and each year, something's missing so I can't replace it because it's too late. It's almost always in the loose set too.

2011 - Wet Suits accessories from box set
2010 - Flame trooper missing from loose set
2009 - Viper missing an arm (caught that one and replaced it though)
2008 - nothin
2007 - One of the lady cobras was missing a helmet
2006 - helmet missing on Major Bludd trooper
2005 - bought 12 of the Sky Hawk's and all 12 had the two of the same side. They even announced this one on the show floor multiple times, so that was way my bad.
can't remember any further back than that. The point is, always check your sets. way off topic there, but whatever.

I usually always find a problem with accessories or paint as well.

[07GT500 COBRA]

There were no facts to point to it being larger. Previous con history did not give them any indication of a future wherein they would see it imperative to drastically increase the number of sets. The only con set sellout, at the show or before, ever was last year. The only other ME set did not sell out at Kansas City during the show. The Rhode Island set did terribly. You can't look at it as a year to year thing, that's when costly mistakes come into play.

Had the club adjusted numbers earlier in the game, they might have the ratio set better. Even with these increases, this year's New Orleans numbers are much lower than last New Orleans con numbers

Slaughter and the Renegades were 1000 each
Con Set 750
Ferrets 800
even the warthog was crazy high at 600. Twice what the big vehicle last year was made at.

I have to resepectfully disagree as the popularity of con exclusives of ME versions of ARAH characters says otherwise. Just look at the secondary prices of invidial figures then the OG set has new ME versions in spades.

[Roshan]

I have to resepectfully disagree as the popularity of con exclusives of ME versions of ARAH characters says otherwise. Just look at the secondary prices of invidial figures then the OG set has new ME versions in spades.

You have one year to base that on. When you have two years of ME product prior to this one, you can't call the Crimson set a red herring. It's 50% of the data you have available when comparing ME to ARAH. If anything was a red herring, it would be Rhode Island. The con sets in 2009 and 2008 were good sellers and their exclusives all demand high prices in the after market and they're not ME. They have been building higher and higher market values each year (with the exception of Rhode Island because it really was a crappy set of exclusives).

Again, any person with a good business sense is not going to drastically raise product numbers on one year of data when they have 10 years to look at. They raised it 20%. That's a safe number. If they raised it 50% and they didn't sell out, not a single one of us would give a shit. More likely the bargain basement hunters of the community (which I often find myself a member of with certain product) would be bragging how they got the con set at next years show for $150 instead of $350.

They have to look out for themselves on this one and make the safe choice, especially with all the other crap going on.

[Headman]

As soon as I start using the word logic once per every 3 other words you can make that argument.

I miss Spockcbr. :(

[JediJones]

Nice try, but the Crimson Strike set is literally a red herring in this debate.
The Crimson Strike set was still a better seller than the recent O-ring sets. They had most of the last few years of sets on clearance prices in the past year or two, but the Crimson Strike never made it to clearance. Maybe some boxed sets lasted until after the con, I can't remember, but the only thing I remember seeing sitting in stock on their site for a while was a loose set which was only available to people who already bought the boxed set. And those people probably already had enough Crimson Vipers that they didn't need to build their army further. The secondary prices of Crimson Strike still hold up, $20 per Viper and I think enough for the other 3 to meet or beat the original boxed set price.

[07GT500 COBRA]

You have one year to base that on. When you have two years of ME product prior to this one, you can't call the Crimson set a red herring. It's 50% of the data you have available when comparing ME to ARAH. If anything was a red herring, it would be Rhode Island. The con sets in 2009 and 2008 were good sellers and their exclusives all demand high prices in the after market and they're not ME. They have been building higher and higher market values each year (with the exception of Rhode Island because it really was a crappy set of exclusives).

Again, any person with a good business sense is not going to drastically raise product numbers on one year of data when they have 10 years to look at. They raised it 20%. That's a safe number. If they raised it 50% and they didn't sell out, not a single one of us would give a shit. More likely the bargain basement hunters of the community (which I often find myself a member of with certain product) would be bragging how they got the con set at next years show for $150 instead of $350.

They have to look out for themselves on this one and make the safe choice, especially with all the other crap going on.

There's more data than that. First time ME versions of '82-'88 ARAH characters flat out sell especially when they're exclusives or even just limited. Look at the Best of 80s Alpine. SDCC Jinx will be no exception and potentiall worse.

[Roshan]

There's more data than that. First time ME versions of '82-'88 ARAH characters flat out sell especially when they're exclusives or even just limited. Look at the Best of 80s Alpine. SDCC Jinx will be no exception and potentiall worse.

That's retail data, not con data. What do you mean look at Alpine? He's expensive because that DVD set is harder than hell to find. Look at Quick Kick, or Dusty, or radioactive Snake Eyes. Are those harder than hell to find? First time ME versions of 82-88 sell out when they're limited.

I'm not being rhetorical here, but do you really understand what the aftermarket value on a lot of these o-ring exclusives are? A lot of them that still hold high value were produced in twice the numbers of the exclusives we get now.

There is a big delusion that many modern era collectors have with these being big sellers. The joes you are getting in the stores today (non movie joes that is) are the lowest production number joes that have ever been produced. Just because they sell off the pegs doesn't mean they're still not the lowest volume selling joes ever.

I wish it weren't the case, and it probably wouldn't be, had the first movie been a major success, or Hasbro put a legitimate push in the line like they did in the early 00's.


If SDCC Jinx is underproduced again, there is no one to blame but Hasbro Toy Shop. The joe team practically begs them to order more figures each year and HTS is flippin clueless.

[Starfighter]

There are items from previous cons that I don't have, because those are the cons I didn't go to. Yes, I would like the same opportunity to get those items as the attendees, but I know that isn't a realistic expectation.

I agree that the club hasn't really offered much this past year for its members. The FSS delay, the late newsletters, a nonexistent online store, and poor communication. Should the club try harder to please its members? Definitely; however, I don't think they've handled this con set poorly minus the poor communication.

The club can plan in advance what set they're making and what to charge. They then have to wait for Hasbro to tell them they can use those molds. They have to wait for the factories to get them production samples. they have to fix the mistakes. Maybe Hasbro changes their minds and the process starts over again. The club is NOT a large company that can afford high production runs and high overhead. Last year's set sold out rather quickly, so they tried to adjust it this year by making 100 more. Yes, they should have produced more, but they had no way of knowing how many.

Many of you wanted preorders, but preorders don't work. I wouldn't pay the $345 for a preorder with no guarantee of final product or price. A lot of people wouldn't. If they sold 200 preorder sets and then upped the price by $40 2 months later, people would be outraged. Don't try and tell me there wouldn't be 45 pages of bitching about it on the forums. As someone else stated, the club heard a LOT of people saying they were done after the credit card problems. Had they gone by that, they would have made less sets. Face it, people don't always do what they say. There is NO way that the club can accurately gauge interest in a set, so they try their best. They will NEVER be spot on. Either they'll have too many sets left over, or they'll sell out.

Yes, the club has made some horrible errors, but that doesn't mean they're actively trying to screw everyone all the time.

I agree. The Club should have theoretically made less sets this year do to the amount of people saying that they were done with them and the mistakes certainly warranted fewer members this year as opposed to year’s past. Instead, they upped the total number of sets knowing it’s popularity.

On the flip-side, the Club did have an indication well in advance that they would be selling out so they allowed the Attendees to order first. They should have made more as this could cause a backlash with future members or those that will not renew because they did not get the Convention Set this year.

The convention set this year has taught us a lesson with the Club in that they underestimated. Most, could see that the Modern Era stuff sells out with the 3 sets that we now have from them. However, this year should be forgiven as there have been a lot of problems and the Club most likely expected there to be less members due to their crisis that they have had. This year for the Club has been difficult. Will it be next year? Will they gain some of those members back with the FSS? Will next year’s Club incentive Figure or Convention Set cause more people to join.? Will they up the numbers? Those are questions that all of the members should be asking and hopefully, we will get some answers.

The Club, is also not really a Club at all, but more-so like a Subscription. You pay in advance for a product that gets delivered throughout the year. The members have no say whatsoever in terms of voting/polling on the Incentive Figure nor the Convention Set. There really is no communication in a timely manner and it does not have a community feel to it. It is first a business run by fans of the property. That should be changed and issues like Horrorshow’s coat would not be much of an issue if it’s members had a chance to vote on 3 different designs for example provided to us by the Club and given the ok by Hasbro. I understand that there is a questionnaire to only Convention Attendees, but why is there not one for the non-attendees. Does anyone’s voice really sink in at all with the Club?

To recap, most people on forums say one thing and do another, the Club read’s this very forum and if they based their numbers on all of the complaints, of course they would make fewer sets as they would not want to be left with stock and lost dollars. Thankfully, they upped the number and gave more a chance to purchase a set. It is good to be king when you’re the only game in town. They have us subscribers and fans by the wallet knowing they have something that we want. Hopefully, each year gets better and that we as fans get what we want to fulfill the missing holes in our collection. Hopefully, they produce more at a reasonable price too that they are currently charging and not resorting to eBay gouging prices.

Starfighter

[JediJones]

And what do you mean by has become scalper friendly? Are you blind to the last 10 years of con figures? It's always been scalper friendly. It just goes year by year to the resale value from figure to figure.
Well said.
Hence why it really should be Hasbro's job to stamp their foot down and say they won't let certain figures become limited club exclusives. The October Guard appears to have gone way too far across the line in terms of figures that should be widely available and the same could be said for other '80s remakes like Dial-Tone and Footloose. Hasbro could've made the entire POC, 30th and Dollar General line as Club exclusives limited to 500 each, right? Would you have preferred that? There's a line to be drawn on which characters should be limited releases and the fundamental problem is that this set crossed it. The Club should've either upped their numbers or not been allowed to make an October Guard set.

[Xenos]

Hence why it really should be Hasbro's job to stamp their foot down and say they won't let certain figures become limited club exclusives. The October Guard appears to have gone way too far across the line in terms of figures that should be widely available and the same could be said for other '80s remakes like Dial-Tone and Footloose. Hasbro could've made the entire POC, 30th and Dollar General line as Club exclusives limited to 500 each, right? Would you have preferred that? There's a line to be drawn on which characters should be limited releases and the fundamental problem is that this set crossed it. The Club should've either upped their numbers or not been allowed to make an October Guard set.

You mean Hasbro should have put their foot down and made sure that such important characters as Sgt Slaughter, Zarana, and Jinx were not made in small numbers?



Also, it's silly to think that the Oktober Guard is so important that it needed wide release. Yeah, they are important to the die hard fans like you and me, but we are a pretty small part of the overall population. In my mind, things like the OG are the perfect exclusive.

[07GT500 COBRA]

That's retail data, not con data. What do you mean look at Alpine? He's expensive because that DVD set is harder than hell to find. Look at Quick Kick, or Dusty, or radioactive Snake Eyes. Are those harder than hell to find? First time ME versions of 82-88 sell out when they're limited.

I'm not being rhetorical here, but do you really understand what the aftermarket value on a lot of these o-ring exclusives are? A lot of them that still hold high value were produced in twice the numbers of the exclusives we get now.

There is a big delusion that many modern era collectors have with these being big sellers. The joes you are getting in the stores today (non movie joes that is) are the lowest production number joes that have ever been produced. Just because they sell off the pegs doesn't mean they're still not the lowest volume selling joes ever.

I wish it weren't the case, and it probably wouldn't be, had the first movie been a major success, or Hasbro put a legitimate push in the line like they did in the early 00's.


If SDCC Jinx is underproduced again, there is no one to blame but Hasbro Toy Shop. The joe team practically begs them to order more figures each year and HTS is flippin clueless.

You simply reiterated the point I've been trying to make. First time ME versions of '82-'88 ARAH versions sell. Period. The OG/IG con set has SIX first time ME versions of popular '82-'88 ARAH characters and a pretty sweet new character to boot. I think you're missing that we are actually in some agreement here.

[ChaplainAsst]

Incredibly wrong. It's what they want. It's what every successful collectible line wants. Every CCG, TMG, sports card and action figure line aspire to have value in the aftermarket in their product. Demand builds interest and sells through product.

The club has said publicly at show panels, they want the club product you have in your hands to increase in value. How collectible is Roddy Piper if they made 2000 instead of 1000? It's been a long time of trail and error for the club to get the right numbers, but they're much closer now to the right mix than they have been in the past when they've had 100's of extra sets left over from year to year.

And what do you mean by has become scalper friendly? Are you blind to the last 10 years of con figures? It's always been scalper friendly. It just goes year by year to the resale value from figure to figure.

Even when it's a ho hum year, like clockwork you can find a scalper whining thread right after con.

There is a difference between scalpers buy the stuff, and making it easier for scalpers to buy. The Golden Ticket was ideal for the scalper. It removed having to drag your grandmother to a convention. And by limiting the number of golden tickets, they made it all the more scalper friendly.

There is a huge difference in having something that Joe fans value and pushing up the price on the secondary market. It is quite easy to make something more valuable: make less of it. Ironically, the Club made more sets this year. They also made a set of figures that were wildly in demand over the past 5 years. So, the value is more inherent to the figures this year rather than exclusiveness. If the Club was trying to drive up secondary market prices, they could have made LESS than last year. If you want to see a set that rises in value, it is the Canadian JoeCon sets!

What the Club can't seem to get is that its consumers are not happy with them. The lure of the Club for two straight years has gone to naught. Last year, it was the possibility of Zarana being offered like the Slaughter set was the year before - but it came to nothing. This year, it was the promise of having your own Oktober Guard - but they changed the system and it undermined everyone.

[Falcone]

Non attendee sets lasted online for all of 3 hours, what a joke. I guess I'm not getting this set. How many of you assholes hoarded more than one set?

Sorry for this guys. I was just upset that I only had a 3 hour window to get a set. And I was at work during that window.

[JediJones]

You mean Hasbro should have put their foot down and made sure that such important characters as Sgt Slaughter, Zarana, and Jinx were not made in small numbers?
Duh. They sure as heck better make sure Jinx isn't made in small numbers. And obviously they didn't make enough Slaughters. You'd have to be living on Pluto to not know that. Yes, I'm saying Hasbro is more at fault here than the Club just as they are at fault with their SDCC exclusives. They signed off on this set.

There's a reason Zarana was the SDCC exclusive and not Zandar, because Hasbro knows Zarana as more popular. So what a stupid paradox that is...they take the more popular figure, make it limited, and then put the less popular figure in a retailer exclusive set that's produced in high numbers and as a result of not having a hot character in it is going to end up on clearance.

Making Zarana the SDCC exclusive instead of Zandar is bad for fans, bad for their retail partners and bad for themselves. What we're seeing now is the same mistakes that have been made at SDCC are spreading to the club, with unique, fan-favorite characters who are new to the 25th body style being made too limited.

These exclusives could generate the same amount of "excitement," a lot more in fact, if they were made in high enough production numbers to satisfy demand. Make twice as many sets and you excite twice as many people.

[Xenos]

And yet I was able to get many extremely popular figures for $4 at TJ Maxx a few years ago.

[JediJones]

Also, it's silly to think that the Oktober Guard is so important that it needed wide release. Yeah, they are important to the die hard fans like you and me, but we are a pretty small part of the overall population. In my mind, things like the OG are the perfect exclusive.
As was pointed out here, some October Guard were made in the comic packs in the 2000s and have proven to be popular with collectors. Some of the characters were even featured in the cartoon and Horror Show for one is downright iconic. These are NOT obscure characters by any stretch of the imagination. While even the popular figures from last year's set could be considered obscure, that is not the case this year.

[JediJones]

And yet I was able to get many extremely popular figures for $4 at TJ Maxx a few years ago.
And there's a problem with this? You can get movies like 300 for $5 or $10 off the rack at ROSS. That's how distribution is supposed to work in a capitalist country. If you want it early, you pay full price. If you wait a few years, the items get cheaper as demand gets filled and the manufacturer can lower the price due to economies of scale. Hasbro launched the 30th line after the 25th so they must have been making a profit to continue the line like that. Where is the negative in a transaction where everyone was happy, the manufacturer, the retailer and the consumer?

[Xenos]

And there's a problem with this? You can get movies like 300 for $5 or $10 off the rack at ROSS. That's how distribution is supposed to work in a capitalist country. If you want it early, you pay full price. If you wait a few years, the items get cheaper as demand gets filled and the manufacturer can lower the price due to economies of scale. Hasbro launched the 30th line after the 25th so they must have been making a profit to continue the line like that. Where is the negative in a transaction where everyone was happy, the manufacturer, the retailer and the consumer?

Hasbro wasn't making any money off of the figures sold at the close-out stores. There's a reason there are so few 30th figures around in comparison to 25th.

[Starfighter]

Duh. They sure as heck better make sure Jinx isn't made in small numbers. And obviously they didn't make enough Slaughters. You'd have to be living on Pluto to not know that. Yes, I'm saying Hasbro is more at fault here than the Club just as they are at fault with their SDCC exclusives. They signed off on this set.

There's a reason Zarana was the SDCC exclusive and not Zandar, because Hasbro knows Zarana as more popular. So what a stupid paradox that is...they take the more popular figure, make it limited, and then put the less popular figure in a retailer exclusive set that's produced in high numbers and as a result of not having a hot character in it is going to end up on clearance.

Making Zarana the SDCC exclusive instead of Zandar is bad for fans, bad for their retail partners and bad for themselves. What we're seeing now is the same mistakes that have been made at SDCC are spreading to the club, with unique, fan-favorite characters who are new to the 25th body style being made too limited.

These exclusives could generate the same amount of "excitement," a lot more in fact, if they were made in high enough production numbers to satisfy demand. Make twice as many sets and you excite twice as many people.

Perhaps, Hasbro does not really care for the old A.R.A.H. styled figures anymore regardless of the amount of money they can potentially make? Hasbro is always trying to reinvent itself in terms of G.I. Joe so that they can gain new consumers every 2 to 3 years. If they continue on more than that, they may risk out on gaining new consumers and having a collector only line in which is not as profitable.They keep changing it up to drive more sells as they know that us collectors will re-buy it all again (the same character over and over) and they will gain new collectors as well in the mean time until they start over again in a few years.

Personally, like many, I want all of the 1984-1992 stuff. Hasbro knows this too by occasionally adds a bit of nostalgia in one of their assortments along with getting me to buy the newer reinvented stuff. They have us hooked where they want us. Plus, each new designer at Hasbro wants to reinvent/re-imagine their favorite characters so that it is not the same as well.

[dmess]

Good points all. I can't find a lot of fault in the club for how many they produced if it was more than previous years. Hindsight is 20/20, so of course they should have done more. I CAN fault the club for their performance over the last year and the fact that they don't appear to be run very well. However, there could be a lot going on we don't know and the club is getting short changed by Hasbro.

So what should they do? Could they "preorder" more sets with a later delivery with the caveat that if they do not sell X number of sets to meet production mins to give us the same price, then they won't move forward? I would sign up for that. Then it is on US to step up to the plate and order. Who CARES if the value of these is diminished? I am not in it for the potential future value. I think that ship has come and gone in the modern era. Too many people are buying stuff in hopes of selling it. The old stuff is worth so much because the majority of it was opened and played with. How many people really care about the value of this stuff to resell? I'll be surprised if anyone would admit for fear of being called a scalper.

By the way - con exclusives already being presold on ebay.

[volleydan]

You mean Hasbro should have put their foot down and made sure that such important characters as Sgt Slaughter, Zarana, and Jinx were not made in small numbers?


Assuming you meant this sarcastically.....BINGO!

If second- and third- tier characters like Jinx, the Sarge, and freaking Zarana are "too important" to be made as exclusives, then who the hell can they make? Effects? Space Shot? Remember, the exclusives have to have some appeal or they won't sell. Every character is some collector's favorite......

[Mongoose]

I see all these exclusives, both SDCC and club, as a good thing. I don't really understand what all the ire is about.

Through SDCC and the club, we are getting the opportunity to obtain figures and characters that Hasbro would never release to mass market. Hasbro and the club could easily say "screw it, we aren't going to bother getting these figures out there." The sales from the SDCC items aren't keeping Hasbro in business. that revenue is a miniscule drop in the bucket compared to everything else they sell in the year. They DON'T NEED to give us these items.

Whether you can afford them or not, or whether or not it sold out doesn't lessen the fact that people are genuinely TRYING to get new product in your hands. The club has A LOT of faults, but the club also has a staff of people that work to give us new and exciting figures each and every year.

Yeah, maybe you missed out on Zarana, but the option to buy her is there when it wasn't before.

Be happy for the opportunities we're given as collectors. A lot of companies wouldn't even bother since the kids are where the toy sales are at.

[Roshan]

What the Club can't seem to get is that its consumers are not happy with them. The lure of the Club for two straight years has gone to naught. Last year, it was the possibility of Zarana being offered like the Slaughter set was the year before - but it came to nothing. This year, it was the promise of having your own Oktober Guard - but they changed the system and it undermined everyone.

There is no way in hell the club is not aware of the fact that consumers are not happy with them right now. You wouldn't be human not to figure out that after the credit card fraud issues.

Zarana, well that wasn't for lack of trying. They tried to get her and the Skystriker. They couldn't make it happen. They even said they were going to try, so fault them for not getting the job done, but there is a good chance they were denied.

Finally, the system undermined everyone? So I got undermined? Everyone else going to con got undermined too? Everyone who got non-attendee sets got undermined? We all have sets coming (well, at least that's the assumption).

[Hellion42]

*feels very undermined* /o\

[Roshan]

*feels very undermined* /o\

Well yes, but is your name Everyone?

[Hellion42]

Well yes, but is your name Everyone?

Look, my parents were hippies, alright? It's not my fault! (._.)