Retaliation Wave 3 Preorders at BBTS?

[Faceless]

I know they should be recalled, canceled but BBTS just put up preorders for Retaliation wave 3.

Wave 3 Case

GI Joe Retaliation 3.75" Figures Series 03 - Case of 12 - GI Joe GI Joe Retaliation Movie (2012) GI Joe 3.75" Figures (http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=HAS21947&mode=retail&picture=out)

1x Snake Eyes
1x Flint
1x Ninja Duel Snake Eyes
2x Battle Kata Roadblock
1x Firefly
1x Sneak Attack Storm Shadow
1x Cyber Ninja "Wraith"
1x Joe Colton
1x Red Cobra Trooper
1x Dark Ninja Warrior
1x Lady Jaye


Wave 3 set of 5

GI Joe Retaliation 3.75" Figures Series 03 - Set of 5 - GI Joe GI Joe Retaliation Movie (2012) GI Joe 3.75" Figures (http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=HAS21948&mode=retail&picture=out)

1x Cyber Ninja "Wraith"
1x Joe Colton
1x Red Cobra Trooper
1x Dark Ninja Warrior
1x Lady Jaye


Ordered just in case.

[Troynos]

Lady Jaye and Colton only ones interested in. BBTS needs to go back to doing singles instead of just cases for everything.

[Huer-Ta]

Dark Ninja Warrior? Is that supposed to be the Black Dragon Ninja?

[CVdelgado]

im wondering what these are???

1x Red Cobra Trooper = red alley-viper?
1x Dark Ninja Warrior = black dragon ninja?

[Raw Dog]

Thanks for the heads up!

[Nirvana]

Wave 3 was on the Hasbro order sheets and went out before the movie was delayed.

[Faceless]

im wondering what these are???

1x Red Cobra Trooper = red alley-viper?
1x Dark Ninja Warrior = black dragon ninja?

My guess is Dark Ninja Warrior may be Dragon Ninja

Dragon Ninja 2012 - Retaliation Cobra Figures G.I. Joe Retaliation (http://www.hisstank.com/database/retaliation-cobra-figures-134/dragon-ninja-2639/)

Red Cobra Trooper might be a red repaint of the current trooper or maybe the Crimson Guard figure we've seen.

[CVdelgado]

My guess is Dark Ninja Warrior may be Dragon Ninja

Dragon Ninja 2012 - Retaliation Cobra Figures G.I. Joe Retaliation (http://www.hisstank.com/database/retaliation-cobra-figures-134/dragon-ninja-2639/)

Red Cobra Trooper might be a red repaint of the current trooper or maybe the Crimson Guard figure we've seen.

you dont remember the red alley-viper we were shown. i wanted 2 for my son. ive got enough alley-vipers though. :)

[CVdelgado]

too many figures i dont want to buy a case... ugh...

[qwe]

ordered nothing to lose, besides that case has all of wave 2 as well...

[Nirvana]

My guess is Dark Ninja Warrior may be Dragon Ninja

Dragon Ninja 2012 - Retaliation Cobra Figures G.I. Joe Retaliation (http://www.hisstank.com/database/retaliation-cobra-figures-134/dragon-ninja-2639/)

Red Cobra Trooper might be a red repaint of the current trooper or maybe the Crimson Guard figure we've seen.

CG is Wave 5.

[bandonov]

I preordered my 2 cases to be safe. I know they will not show up but at least if there is a small chance for getting them it is worth it!

[Faceless]

you dont remember the red alley-viper we were shown. i wanted 2 for my son. ive got enough alley-vipers though. :)

Oh wow, that one completly slipped my mind.

[Cobra Terrorist]

Have we seen a pic of that "Cyber Ninja - Wraith" yet?


EDIT:*Googles it*

Huh....I thought that figure was the "Red Cobra Trooper".

[Faceless]

CG is Wave 5.

Thanks.

[RolandofGilead]

If only the troop builders were more than one per case.

[Python_Puckman]

Have we seen a pic of that "Cyber Ninja - Wraith" yet?


EDIT:*Googles it*

Huh....I thought that figure was the "Red Cobra Trooper".

http://www.hisstank.com/gi-joe-news/attach/4/2/0/1/1/GI-JOE-375-Movie-Figure-Cyber-Ninja-A0484-1_1329007983.jpg

Wraith with highlights and ninja toes. Probably a pass for me

[Jmacq1]

Not a bad way to pick up waves 2 and 3 in one case.

If it gets canceled, oh well, it'll be relisted later.

If it makes it through to shelves, so much the better.

Have to decide if I want more than one of those Black Dragon Ninjas....

[RolandofGilead]

Ordered two of the small cases to get a head start on the troops in that pack.

[TheRealDubya]

That's a solid wave.

[Nightrain]

x1 Actor Bruce Willis for me.

[sbartek1974]

$69.99 for 5 figures???!!! WTF???

I'm not paying $14 each for this guys. I'll pass. I can wait till August or March or whatever date they will be out.

[Xenos]

$69.99 for 5 figures???!!! WTF???

I'm not paying $14 each for this guys. I'll pass. I can wait till August or March or whatever date they will be out.

If you get the whole case you get all of wave 2, and they only cost about $9.50 a figure. That's not a bad deal at all.

[Crazy Legs]

Sneak Attack Storm Shadow ?
That has to be the stupidest name for a figure ever.

[Raw Dog]

I pre-ordered 6 of the sets of 5. I hope the red Cobra Trooper is a red version of the guy they already released. If he is, then that would be wicked pissah dude. Woo woo woo, you know it.

[OreoBuilder]

I pre-ordered 6 of the sets of 5. I hope the red Cobra Trooper is a red version of the guy they already released. If he is, then that would be wicked pissah dude. Woo woo woo, you know it.

It would be cool, but, alas, the red Cobra Trooper is the Alley Viper. Generals Joes has all of wave 3 pictured here: G.I. Joe: Retaliation Toys SuperPage | Generals Joes - A blog about the importance (or unimportance) of little plastic men (http://generalsjoes.com/g-i-joe-retaliation-toys-superpage/)

OB

[kingphilbert]

These listings don't show up in the main category for Retaliation 3.75" figures though. Did you change numbers around to find the listing?

And, yeah, I'd rather pay $14 each for the 1 or 2 figures I want as opposed to buying a set or case for $70 - $100.

[Raw Dog]

It would be cool, but, alas, the red Cobra Trooper is the Alley Viper. Generals Joes has all of wave 3 pictured here: G.I. Joe: Retaliation Toys SuperPage | Generals Joes - A blog about the importance (or unimportance) of little plastic men (http://generalsjoes.com/g-i-joe-retaliation-toys-superpage/)

OB

I'm cool with that too, lol!

[GeneralxRon]

Well..Lady Jaye is a repainted Scarlett Renegades body..with a new head sculpt...

Colton looks like a mechanic..

If these were the figures to come out

GI Joe Retaliation New Single Carded Figures At Toy Fair 2012 - GI Joe News (http://www.hisstank.com/gi-joe-news/toy-fair-17/gi-joe-retaliation-new-single-carded-figures-at-toy-fair-2012-11065/)

[KingStalin]

Thanks for this, preordered a set just in case these never make retail.

[Sciencefriction]

Well if this does come out then awesome. They might as well try to keep the product on the shelf during the summer.

BBTS has pictures up now.

[Steevy Maximus]

With the exception of the odd carryover of wave 1 Snake Eyes, this is a pretty solid wave for me.

Has all of wave 2, all of wave 3, and the only "extras" are the aforementioned wave 1 SE and Battle Kata Roadblock, which I'm sure I can get rid of either through trades or a sale.

[bandonov]

The red trooper is an Alley Viper:

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/images/products/out/large/HAS21947.jpg

[Munch]

Ordered a set of 5, and now it's saying they are sold out, so I hope they do get these in.

[Jinx723]

SON OF A BITCH!!!!

While updating my credit card both cases and sets of five sold out. I hope these don't eventually hit until Feb-Mar now. I'm fracking pissed, this is just as bad as Slaughter-Gate & Zarana-Gate on HTS.

Frack!!!

[Dangerjoe]

i got my set, now they say they are sold out

[JediJones]

I put a case in my cart, upped the quantity real high and it corrected it to 470 cases. 10 seconds later when I tried to check out with one case, it said the product had sold out. And both the case and figure set pages now say sold out after I had just been on them as in-stock a minute ago. Seems like either BBTS pulled them or some enterprising individual pre-ordered a huge quantity.

[bandonov]

Wow that was fast... I'm glad I got mine.

[OreoBuilder]

I think BBTS, just stopped taking orders on these. I would be very surprised if they were available before next March.

OB

[bandonov]

I guess they realized these should have not gone out at all?

[OreoBuilder]

That's what I'm thinking too.

OB

[CrimsonGuard101]

GD those sold out way to fast...

[Sciencefriction]

I preordered two cases instead of getting the five packs. If these do come out and they are the last new product, I really don't think I'll struggle to sell the extra figures between Sep-March. lol.

[Agent Nevets]

I got my pre-order in before the sell out. Didn't expect it to happen so fast. (assuming it wasn't BBTS taking the order down).

[JediJones]

They're not shown on the 3.75" page listing with Series 1 and 2.

GI Joe GI Joe Retaliation Movie (2012) Toys, Action Figures, and Collectibles (http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/menu.aspx?menu=2963&category=8608)

[Sciencefriction]

It's not the first time BBTS has had listing up and not in the right spot. For example, they had their Avengers/Marvel legos listed for ages and you couldn't actually find them on the site, you had to use google. Same thing with DKR stuff at one point. It's nothing to theorize about in other words.

[CrimsonGuard101]

They're not shown on the 3.75" page listing with Series 1 and 2.

GI Joe GI Joe Retaliation Movie (2012) Toys, Action Figures, and Collectibles (http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/menu.aspx?menu=2963&category=8608)

Yeah they are like hidden somehow. They are there though and sold out in a like lighting speed. Just wanna i wanted ot do all day sit here and hit F5 lol..

[CobraScream]

I hope these come back in stock. I would like to get a pre order in.

[Jmacq1]

I think BBTS, just stopped taking orders on these. I would be very surprised if they were available before next March.

OB

I guess they realized these should have not gone out at all?

That's what I'm thinking too.

OB

Hard to say. I'd be inclined to agree with you...-except- for the fact that they added the picture after the fact. It's not that hard to simply remove an item from their listings entirely. If they're just canceling the orders/they shouldn't have gone out...why add the picture?

I think someone may be attempting to mega-scalp this wave off of BBTS.

Though honestly with everything going on, I could see them "legitimately" selling out pretty quick too. Look how many people here were ordering multiples. It'd only take a couple or three hundred Joe fans to wipe out 500 cases/sets, and word can travel fast through the websites.

[Dragasses]

If you get the whole case you get all of wave 2, and they only cost about $9.50 a figure. That's not a bad deal at all.
that price still bums me out.

[jediz]

Hard to say. I'd be inclined to agree with you...-except- for the fact that they added the picture after the fact. It's not that hard to simply remove an item from their listings entirely. If they're just canceling the orders/they shouldn't have gone out...why add the picture?

I think someone may be attempting to mega-scalp this wave off of BBTS.

Though honestly with everything going on, I could see them "legitimately" selling out pretty quick too. Look how many people here were ordering multiples. It'd only take a couple or three hundred Joe fans to wipe out 500 cases/sets, and word can travel fast through the websites.

I would agree, There's even posts on this thread talking about selling the extras later.

[JediJones]

I could see them "legitimately" selling out pretty quick too. Look how many people here were ordering multiples. It'd only take a couple or three hundred Joe fans to wipe out 500 cases/sets, and word can travel fast through the websites.
Between the time I had 470 in my cart, switched it to 1 and tried to check out, it was about 30 seconds. So I think it's either a mega-scalper or BBTS shut the listings down to assess the situation.

[Sciencefriction]

I would agree, There's even posts on this thread talking about selling the extras later.

Yeah, it's LOL omg people buy cases and get extra figures they don't need so they want to sell them?! What a CRAZY idea. You are too funny.

[Jmacq1]

Yeah, it's LOL omg people buy cases and get extra figures they don't need so they want to sell them?! What a CRAZY idea. You are too funny.

Yeah, bit of a difference between that and buying hundreds of cases to try to turn a profit on them later, if that's indeed what happened.

That or somebody REALLY likes that Alley-viper and/or Black Dragon Ninja....

[Cobra Terrorist]

The only figures I think I want is that Red Trooper, Colton, and maybe that Firefly. That sell-out saved me the temptation for buying a case for only 3 figs!


Between the time I had 470 in my cart, switched it to 1 and tried to check out, it was about 30 seconds. So I think it's either a mega-scalper or BBTS shut the listings down to assess the situation.

Hmmm, that's strange....

[Sciencefriction]

Yeah, bit of a difference between that and buying hundreds of cases to try to turn a profit on them later, if that's indeed what happened.

That or somebody REALLY likes that Alley-viper and/or Black Dragon Ninja....

I'm pretty I'm one of the only people who mentioned selling my extras. Seeing as I said in my post I ordered 2 cases, I think you guys might be jumping the gun on tankers just a bit. Someone might have ordered a ton of cases, or preorders just honestly sold out. There are a lot of people on hisstank.

[Blot]

I've got two sets of 5 - so all things being equal I'll have a spare Colton and Lady Jaye...

[CrimsonGuard101]

Yeah, it's LOL omg people buy cases and get extra figures they don't need so they want to sell them?! What a CRAZY idea. You are too funny.

That can be a pain in the ass though(and given the innitial cost of getting a ton you dont need IE Roadblock/Storm Shadow and wv1 nake eyes), i still have around 45 POC figures I cant offload..people keep balking and changing thier minds lol..and with the extras in this case and then setting up to ship/recieve money...no ones gonna want some of these anyway since they are mostly troop buidlers which of coure i will keep and carry overs from wave 2 which people will already have ordered from the 5 pack BBTS offered for that wave.

[Huer-Ta]

I find it slightly curious that neither one of the product images shows Lady Jaye.

[CrimsonGuard101]

I find it slightly curious that neither one of the product images shows Lady Jaye.

Thats not usual either, I seen many many cases for the last 4 years on BBTS that dont show all the figures in the assortment. MU is like that a lot.

[wva_paranormal]

Unfortunately these preorders are already sold out

[Sciencefriction]

That can be a pain in the ass though(and given the innitial cost of getting a ton you dont need IE Roadblock/Storm Shadow and wv1 nake eyes), i still have around 45 POC figures I cant offload..people keep balking and changing thier minds lol..and with the extras in this case and then setting up to ship/recieve money...no ones gonna want some of these anyway since they are mostly troop buidlers which of coure i will keep and carry overs from wave 2 which people will already have ordered from the 5 pack BBTS offered for that wave.

Of course it can be, but that's part of it. I'm sure demand for Retaliation figures will hold steady through the upcoming drought so I'm not worried about buying a couple of cases. Worst case senario? Custom fodder. No big deal.

[JediJones]

Hmmm, that's strange....
That's a BBTS quantity too. I mashed the keypad to test the quantity and the back button shows I tried to put 1144 in my cart. BBTS adjusted it down to 470. I adjusted it to 1 and then went to take a closer look at the 5-figure-set and case pages to see what else was in the case, and upon refreshing them saw them switch to sold out status. Tried to check out with the 1 still in my cart and got the message about the quantity no longer being available.

[CVdelgado]

1 colton and 2 red alley vipers is all i need from that mess.

[JediJones]

I e-mailed BBTS after the sell-out and just got a reply from Jessica. Mystery solved...

"Hi, We did have to remove the case and set from the website due to Hasbro's request. We will have it listed once we are told we can."

[CrimsonGuard101]

Of course it can be, but that's part of it. I'm sure demand for Retaliation figures will hold steady through the upcoming drought so I'm not worried about buying a couple of cases. Worst case senario? Custom fodder. No big deal.

It is if your done doing customs...that is a big deal and a waste of good money...my fodder pile is REDONCULOUS and i will never ever make that many customs with all of the millions of parts I have collected over the years...theres not that many figures left I want even to make them since hasbro wont...that list is getting very very small now..and will require some super tooling and head sculpts to get done anyway that none of this will offer in custom fodder.

[Sciencefriction]

Well there we go. No wave 3 it looks like. Good to know. That basically confirms we're getting wave 2, so there's that.

[JediJones]

Nice to see Hasbro is still as hard at work as ever NOT selling us Joes. Wish they'd be that efficient at calling up HTS and telling them TO put stuff up for sale.

[Black Swan]

Unfortunately these preorders are already sold out

NOOOOO!!!!!

Maybe I can find these sometime next year.

[Sciencefriction]

I say just watch your preorders and see what happens over the next couple of weeks. If they don't cancel preorders then there is a chance it will get relisted. Otherwise see you in March! LOL.

[CrimsonGuard101]

Nice to see Hasbro is still as hard at work as ever NOT selling us Joes. Wish they'd be that efficient at calling up HTS and telling them TO put stuff up for sale.

Yeah lol they are more concerned about us NOT buying them then actually trying to sell them...really at this point none of the figures they are offering spoil anything, they are all either off screen figures no where near the movie verse or characters already shown in the trailers. Even at that, they look nothing like their onscreen counter parts aside form the actor likness in the face...so i dunno what the deal is. Just make new product for next year and release all of these figures now while the demand is high for em and they have time to get some figures in the pipeline.

I say just watch your preorders and see what happens over the next couple of weeks. If they don't cancel preorders then there is a chance it will get relisted. Otherwise see you in March! LOL.

This will be a big bit of info, if peeps get cancellations on these orderes we will know wave 2 will be the final product till next year.

[fireflyguy]

I want above Colton. That's it. C'mon, man!

[Jmacq1]

Cancellation doesn't necessarily mean "nothing but Wave 2 until next year." It could also mean "the assortment is being reworked."

We saw this happen earlier this year with the DC All-Stars figures. I could see Hasbro putting out a "wave 3" that didn't include Colton or Lady Jaye and might "sub in" the Crimson Guard and/or Night-Viper. Basically giving us another "troop builder wave" like PoC waves 5/6 were and technically sticking true to their "The majority of the MOVIE product will be held back" statement.

But that's purely speculation at this point, and would undoubtedly lead to the product being delayed a couple months.

[ChaplainAsst]

On the one hand, you have to admit it makes sense to pull the toys for the movie next year. Just because we might want a few of the figures, they need to have something to support the movie next year. The problem with a business plan is when the plan gets upended - and this certainly has done that to Hasbro's Joe plans.

On the other hand, it would be far, far easier to release the figures as planned to give them time to create something for the movie next year rather than have NOTHING on the pegs for 6 months. And there are many characters that are not supported with figures that could be created - movie Duke, ambush Flint and Lady Jaye, The President, repaint/redo Hiss, Mouse, and the President's Aid/Zandar. Redux the Ghost Hawk II into either a transport or the Rattler II (that's what we thought it was when we saw it in the trailer anyway!).

They have three decisions and none are easy: no product, go ahead as planned and add more product, or come up with a filler line ala PoC right quick. The DG figures show that they can do amazing stuff quickly and easily with the parts and accessories on hand. (I wish the Club did as well as that!) Maybe they will create more of these type "classic" figures.

But if they decide not to ship wave 3 (or even 2), it is understandable. How they proceed from there will be what will suggest the future of the Joe toy line.

[Jmacq1]

On the one hand, you have to admit it makes sense to pull the toys for the movie next year. Just because we might want a few of the figures, they need to have something to support the movie next year. The problem with a business plan is when the plan gets upended - and this certainly has done that to Hasbro's Joe plans.

On the other hand, it would be far, far easier to release the figures as planned to give them time to create something for the movie next year rather than have NOTHING on the pegs for 6 months. And there are many characters that are not supported with figures that could be created - movie Duke, ambush Flint and Lady Jaye, The President, repaint/redo Hiss, Mouse, and the President's Aid/Zandar. Redux the Ghost Hawk II into either a transport or the Rattler II (that's what we thought it was when we saw it in the trailer anyway!).

They have three decisions and none are easy: no product, go ahead as planned and add more product, or come up with a filler line ala PoC right quick. The DG figures show that they can do amazing stuff quickly and easily with the parts and accessories on hand. (I wish the Club did as well as that!) Maybe they will create more of these type "classic" figures.

But if they decide not to ship wave 3 (or even 2), it is understandable. How they proceed from there will be what will suggest the future of the Joe toy line.

I don't know that we can be sure how quickly the DG joes were developed. At the very least Hasbro has said in the past with the Star Wars line that even a "repaint/rerelease" wave takes 6 months to go from drawing board to store shelf, which if that holds true for Joe means they wouldn't get anything out in time to do much good anyway. Maybe one wave before Christmas and that'd be it (because then it'd be time to re-release the movie stuff).

Releasing the product as planned is very iffy. Without the movie to support casual and new buyers, we're faced with a movie "push" volume of product with only existing collectors to support it. While it looks like Retaliation product has a much lower volume than RoC did, I recall that even RoC sold well in the first couple weeks as collectors got their fill. We might very well run into a "can't get past Wave one on the shelves" scenario inside a month. Realistically it'd hit at least wave 2, but beyond that? Very iffy. Then retailers end up with a backlog of product prior to the big "re-release/re-push" for the movie.

Finally, I think the major issue boils down to money: For Hasbro to make new product to coincide with the new release date they have to spend more money on the line, and at this point I think Hasbro believes it's simply more cost-effective to hold product back than to make new stuff. And of course this means that whatever their post-movie plans were, they're likely getting pushed back a year ala PoC.

[dorksidetoys]

I say just watch your preorders and see what happens over the next couple of weeks. If they don't cancel preorders then there is a chance it will get relisted. Otherwise see you in March! LOL.

Well bbts and ee both have these sets listed early, the Hasbro pre-sale date for retaliation wave 3, 2012 marvel universe wave 1, and sw vintage wave 4 starts tomorrow 5-30. Hasbro may have simply asked them to pull it down until then.

[Raw Dog]

Cool, thanks for the heads up. I'm going to check back tomorrow and maybe order more.

[Sciencefriction]

Well bbts and ee both have these sets listed early, the Hasbro pre-sale date for retaliation wave 3, 2012 marvel universe wave 1, and sw vintage wave 4 starts tomorrow 5-30. Hasbro may have simply asked them to pull it down until then.

Ah, good point, things for the insight dorksidetoys! You're presence here in the community is great. I'm sure hope so, that would make my day. :)

[Xenos]

On the one hand, you have to admit it makes sense to pull the toys for the movie next year. Just because we might want a few of the figures, they need to have something to support the movie next year. The problem with a business plan is when the plan gets upended - and this certainly has done that to Hasbro's Joe plans.

On the other hand, it would be far, far easier to release the figures as planned to give them time to create something for the movie next year rather than have NOTHING on the pegs for 6 months. And there are many characters that are not supported with figures that could be created - movie Duke, ambush Flint and Lady Jaye, The President, repaint/redo Hiss, Mouse, and the President's Aid/Zandar. Redux the Ghost Hawk II into either a transport or the Rattler II (that's what we thought it was when we saw it in the trailer anyway!).

They have three decisions and none are easy: no product, go ahead as planned and add more product, or come up with a filler line ala PoC right quick. The DG figures show that they can do amazing stuff quickly and easily with the parts and accessories on hand. (I wish the Club did as well as that!) Maybe they will create more of these type "classic" figures.

But if they decide not to ship wave 3 (or even 2), it is understandable. How they proceed from there will be what will suggest the future of the Joe toy line.

To be fair, Hasbro hasn't really seemed to mind having nothing on the pegs for the last six months, so I don't think there's any guarantee that they will have a problem with the next six months having bare pegs too. My guess is that we will have what we currently have for a while, and then come Christmas time they will start pushing the movie figures again.

[BEAM]

I'm only looking to get Snake Eyes (ninja Duel) because he's a better version than Wave 1 and maybe Firefly. Although he wouldn't be Firefly in my Joeverse but another Cobra operative.

The rest are uninspired or just plain terrible. Roadblock has those giant ammo clips on his legs, Lady Jaye is a simple repaint, Bruce Willis looks awful with the one knee pad and hunched neck, Dragon Ninja is out because I'm burning out quickly on ninjas, Wraith never interested me so I'll pass on this "Cyber Ninja" repaint, and Alley Viper's paint scheme and lack of accessories or flak jacket bothers me.

I'm waiting for Wave 4 & 5. But with the slim chance these are widely released and the anticipated high demand, I'm expecting to pay a premium.

[ChaplainAsst]

I don't know that we can be sure how quickly the DG joes were developed. At the very least Hasbro has said in the past with the Star Wars line that even a "repaint/rerelease" wave takes 6 months to go from drawing board to store shelf, which if that holds true for Joe means they wouldn't get anything out in time to do much good anyway. Maybe one wave before Christmas and that'd be it (because then it'd be time to re-release the movie stuff).

Releasing the product as planned is very iffy. Without the movie to support casual and new buyers, we're faced with a movie "push" volume of product with only existing collectors to support it. While it looks like Retaliation product has a much lower volume than RoC did, I recall that even RoC sold well in the first couple weeks as collectors got their fill. We might very well run into a "can't get past Wave one on the shelves" scenario inside a month. Realistically it'd hit at least wave 2, but beyond that? Very iffy. Then retailers end up with a backlog of product prior to the big "re-release/re-push" for the movie.

Finally, I think the major issue boils down to money: For Hasbro to make new product to coincide with the new release date they have to spend more money on the line, and at this point I think Hasbro believes it's simply more cost-effective to hold product back than to make new stuff. And of course this means that whatever their post-movie plans were, they're likely getting pushed back a year ala PoC.

The 6 month number is a fair one when talking about new tooling/new molds. The DG figures were simply very clever repaints. The start up time for those is significantly less - as the Club has shown. If they wanted to make a ... say an IDW Crystal Ball, that would take a while to put it together. If they wanted to make a Black CG, they would be ready to go tomorrow with that. Or another Greenshirt/Grunt type of basic figure. Even a clear Zartan.

[JediJones]

The big problem with continuing the line is that the plan-o-gram is probably going to be reset in 3 months for the holiday season. Joe cannot continue past August at Walmart and Target unless Hasbro keeps producing movie toys through the end of the year, which seems unlikely.

If production stopped right now, Hasbro would have about 2-3 months worth of product still in the pipeline. They'd have enough to go through the end of summer. Retailers are likely to stop ordering probably even less than 2 months from now, since they won't be placing orders in August if the toys are just going to be clearanced a month later.

I would be surprised if TRU did not want G.I. Joe on the shelf for the holiday season in some form. I could see any remaining stock of Retaliation becoming TRU exclusive for the rest of the year after the other stores drop it. However, the movie studio may not want Hasbro to have anything out there after the summer, as we saw they wanted a 6-month blackout on any new toys this year.

Chances are whatever the final wave is to ship, will be a pretty rare wave. It simply won't have been in production for as long as the others and its characters won't get to be repacked in a future case. Whether that's Indy Last Crusade or Indy Temple of Doom quantities, we don't know.

We won't know if more will simply be produced next year or if the releases next year will be revamped/redone in some way.

[Blot]

I'd like to see something like the VvV single figure line - maybe some of the better or rarer RoC and 25th figures, or vehicle drivers without the oversized missile weapons at a bargain price.

[Jmacq1]

The 6 month number is a fair one when talking about new tooling/new molds. The DG figures were simply very clever repaints. The start up time for those is significantly less - as the Club has shown. If they wanted to make a ... say an IDW Crystal Ball, that would take a while to put it together. If they wanted to make a Black CG, they would be ready to go tomorrow with that. Or another Greenshirt/Grunt type of basic figure. Even a clear Zartan.

No, Hasbro's statements in the past have said that it's actually 12-18 months for new tooling/new molds to go from drawing board to store shelf (though this was for an "all new" figure).

The Club is a different animal doing runs of at best a couple thousand figures they sell directly to the consumer, often in a single box or without unique packaging. Hasbro's timelines take longer as the product is for mass-retail, and they have to get the retailers to commit to buy before it has any real chance of hitting shelves...another daunting prospect given the current situation.

[CrimsonGuard101]

I'm only looking to get Snake Eyes (ninja Duel) because he's a better version than Wave 1 and maybe Firefly. Although he wouldn't be Firefly in my Joeverse but another Cobra operative.

The rest are uninspired or just plain terrible. Roadblock has those giant ammo clips on his legs, Lady Jaye is a simple repaint, Bruce Willis looks awful with the one knee pad and hunched neck, Dragon Ninja is out because I'm burning out quickly on ninjas, Wraith never interested me so I'll pass on this "Cyber Ninja" repaint, and Alley Viper's paint scheme and lack of accessories or flak jacket bothers me.

I'm waiting for Wave 4 & 5. But with the slim chance these are widely released and the anticipated high demand, I'm expecting to pay a premium.

Retaliation Firefly for me is going to be Glow-Worm...he was a worker forced to clean up Chernoybl and has thus been horribley infused with radiactive material that he is a walking hazard. thus why his arms glow nuclear green.

[Steevy Maximus]

The 6 month number is a fair one when talking about new tooling/new molds.
No, Hasbro has said in the past that a new figure takes about a year or more (granted, Joe might take a tad less time with the reuse it does).
As Jmaq said, REPAINTS take about 6 months (at least a third of that is shipping time).
And don't forget that it isn't just a new deco design, Hasbro contracts multiple factories, and they still have to locate tooling, test the deco, design packaging, get shipping lined up (don't forget Hasbro is also shipping Transformers, Star Wars, Avengers, Spider-Man, marvel, My Little Pony, Littlest Pet Shop, etc)...it's not just "flip a switch and make toys".

Again, the only major thing I see before Christmas is a reworked wave 3, a shuffle of figures from the different waves. I don't see them having the time to do anything close to "new product".

Again, unless Hasbro knew about the change several months ago (which it doesn't appear that they did) they just don't have the time to "throw together" new product by the time the movie stuff will have to hit (I'm certain movie stuff will be launch right after Christmas to ensure saturation by the movie's release)

[TheRealDubya]

You snooze you fucking lose. Shit, I shoulda ordered mine this morning. ALL GONZ.

[Deftones1982]

odd, so the retaliation line will be longer :P

[AlleyViperEXE]

odd, so the retaliation line will be longer :P

Whether or not any of this stuff actually gets SHIPPED is the question that remains to be answered.

[KungfuGrip]

Dam I need that Colten, Lady Jaye and Dragon Ninja, Cyber Ninja looks like a Tron figure to me. Hope they restock soon!

[ChaplainAsst]

I think they are saying that the orders are getting cancelled - not that they sold out.

[Jmacq1]

Well bbts and ee both have these sets listed early, the Hasbro pre-sale date for retaliation wave 3, 2012 marvel universe wave 1, and sw vintage wave 4 starts tomorrow 5-30. Hasbro may have simply asked them to pull it down until then.

I think they are saying that the orders are getting cancelled - not that they sold out.

If what dorksidetoys said above is correct, it may simply have been a matter of listing the items too early. But I suppose we'll see if it gets re-listed tomorrow.

[CobraScream]

If what dorksidetoys said above is correct, it may simply have been a matter of listing the items too early. But I suppose we'll see if it gets re-listed tomorrow.

Well take this with a grain of salt. But the Transformers Prime Waves 5 and 6 were removed from the item pages yet you can still get to them by link and they are listed as sold out also.

Maybe they will open them back up tomorrow. Seems like a logical guess.

[ChaplainAsst]

I e-mailed BBTS after the sell-out and just got a reply from Jessica. Mystery solved...

"Hi, We did have to remove the case and set from the website due to Hasbro's request. We will have it listed once we are told we can."

I think this comment might getting missed by folks. That's a pretty open-ended response, as when "we can" could be March of next year. The fact that they asked them to remove does not sound like something that will be fixed tomorrow.

[cobracobra]

Look forward to the Bruce Willis figure.

[Tauron]

The Black Dragon Ninja or whatever they are calling it looks pretty good for a repaint but that's about all I'd want from the wave so I'll wait for retail. I can't imagine movie merchandise being hard to find. When I worked in TRU movie merch always ended up in the clearance isle shortly after the movie stopped running.

[JediJones]

There has been plenty of hard-to-find movie merchandise from Hasbro lines lately. Usually the tail-end stuff...look at Iron Man 2 Mandarin wave, Thor Lady Sif/King Loki/King Laufey/Heimdall waves, Indiana Jones Temple of Doom wave for some examples. Even when some of it shows up on the closeout circuit it's not enough to impact demand very much.

We're also in totally uncharted water with this movie postponement. Hasbro could have cut production on some items at a very arbitrary point in time, and we don't know whether they'll reproduce the same items next year, revamp the line or even cut the line back due to being released in the toy-unfriendly month of March.

[CobraScream]

I think this comment might getting missed by folks. That's a pretty open-ended response, as when "we can" could be March of next year. The fact that they asked them to remove does not sound like something that will be fixed tomorrow.

Ask them why they removed the Transformers Prime Wave 5 and 6 pre orders and see what they say.

[dorksidetoys]

Ask them why they removed the Transformers Prime Wave 5 and 6 pre orders and see what they say.

Transformers Prime wave 5 and 6 are both 5-30 pre-sale date with an August delivery. Again I'm guessing they took them down at Hasbro's request.

[CobraScream]

Transformers Prime wave 5 and 6 are both 5-30 pre-sale date with an August delivery. Again I'm guessing they took them down at Hasbro's request.

Looks like GI Joe Retaliation and Transformers Prime Wave 5-6 will be making a return tomorrow.

Thank you Dorkside Toys!

[figureware]

I thought Lady Jaye was an exclusive?

[CrimsonGuard101]

I thought Lady Jaye was an exclusive?

newp. it was an inaccurate rumor

[DESTRO]

Looking forward to wave 3.

[GI Guppy the third]

There has been plenty of hard-to-find movie merchandise from Hasbro lines lately. Usually the tail-end stuff...look at Iron Man 2 Mandarin wave, Thor Lady Sif/King Loki/King Laufey/Heimdall waves, Indiana Jones Temple of Doom wave for some examples. Even when some of it shows up on the closeout circuit it's not enough to impact demand very much.

We're also in totally uncharted water with this movie postponement. Hasbro could have cut production on some items at a very arbitrary point in time, and we don't know whether they'll reproduce the same items next year, revamp the line or even cut the line back due to being released in the toy-unfriendly month of March.
It also doesn't help that all of the marvel movie lines contain an abundance of core characters that are heavily present in the comic line. I'm sure staring at a wall of Iron Men has a lot to do with the later waves being scrubbed. As much as we hate the amount of SE and SS made, they still don't come anywhere near the marvel lines

[CrimsonGuard101]

BACK UP FOR ORDER GO! Just grabbed 6 of the 5 packs...

[Str8cash]

I am not totally upset with the Alley Viper as I initially was. I want to see how it is packaged and his gear/vest. If the colors are close to point as the city strike version, then it could work to expand that unit. Especially with the red shock troopers in the wave 2 3 packs.

[13thwarrior]

Looks like the Preorders are available again. Last time I had checked they were sold out, so glad to see I could now put in an order.

[fireflyguy]

I just preordered a case. I only want Joe Colton, so I'll be selling off the rest, but if this helps ensure that I get the one figure I really want, then so be it.

[kingphilbert]

I just preordered a case. I only want Joe Colton, so I'll be selling off the rest, but if this helps ensure that I get the one figure I really want, then so be it.

Well then my Simpsons loving friend, I'd gladly take the Lady Jaye and Black Ninja off your hands.

[CrimsonGuard101]

LOL BBTS is going to go...man we need more waves Hasbro! wtf!? dont cancel the waves for the season! bring on waves 4-5!

[Dawg99]

def gonna get a case of 12

[db2099]

pre-orders are up again...

[Galaxus]

Looking forward to wave 3.

Looking forward to wave 2 at retail.

[fireflyguy]

Well then my Simpsons loving friend, I'd gladly take the Lady Jaye and Black Ninja off your hands.

Ha! I wondered if anyone ever got that. It sort of has a double-meaning, since Cobra is based in -wait for it -- Springfield!

I will definitely keep you in mind IF this order gets fulfilled. I hope it does. I also preordered the ninja combat cruiser from bbts. I'm hoping to see this one soon as well.

[Squibbles]

Pre orders are live now! Interesting to see how long they last. Im actually shocked wave 2 isnt sold out yet.

[rfarrell22]

443 cases left.....

[Skylancer81]

pre-orders are up again...

Ordered one case here's to hoping they ship.

[Griffin73]

Mostly reused castings.

[CrimsonGuard101]

Official advertisement on front page over at BBTS now so these look good and official (so is the new MU wave!)...now maybe we can get wave 4-5 before Christmas PLEASE! just need the pre-orders! comon BBTS!

[ultramax]

got 2 cases

[ultramax]

i wonder whats wave 4

[shinbaiken]

i actually like all the figs in this wave so i got case, so i dont have to deal with hunting later on

[OreoBuilder]

395 cases left

OB

[ironknife]

sold out!! i think i got the last one. wow!!

[MonkeyBoyZ]

I just checked, pre-orders are still available for this wave. I wonder if it will actually ship.

[cmderinchief]

i wonder whats wave 4

W4 features Jinx in Yellow and the Blind Master.

I just checked, pre-orders are still available for this wave. I wonder if it will actually ship.

They are. I threw my hat into the ring...I feel dirty for cheating on Kokomo Toys but...I think my card will never be charged. All signs are pointing to this wave not making it out until early 2013.

[sudelaya]

We have not heard from our rep that these will in fact be made available in August. We do not want to irresponsibly post them if we do not have 100% confirmation from our rep that our customers will get these. This is why there is a delay in our posting of this wave. If we get confirmation we will announce it and we will have lower shipping costs and lower prices per case than what is currently out there.

[Gyre-Viper]

We have not heard from our rep that these will in fact be made available in August. We do not want to irresponsibly post them if we do not have 100% confirmation from our rep that our customers will get these. This is why there is a delay in our posting of this wave. If we get confirmation we will announce it and we will have lower shipping costs and lower prices per case than what is currently out there.


Ten bucks says these orders get canceled.

[Galaxus]

So are the chances wave 2 gets shipped good?

[bandonov]

So are the chances wave 2 gets shipped good?

If you believe that, I have a bridge that I can sell you...

[Galaxus]

If you believe that, I have a bridge that I can sell you...

Note: I asked that post in question form. ;)

[bandonov]

So are the chances wave 2 gets shipped good?

Note: I asked that post in question form. ;)

Oops...

[sudelaya]

We regret that Hasbro has sent an e-mail this morning stating that Wave 2 & Wave 3 have in fact been cancelled until March 2013. The only Retaliation items we will see this year is the little Wave 1 product that are currently in stores now.

[fireflyguy]

I hope at least we see the wave 2 stuff. Like Goggles, I'd be willing to bet that we won't see wave 3 until '13.

Edit: crap. Just read kokomo's post which posted the same time as one.

Screw you, Hasbro!

[sparks007]

Well I guess that's settled , get 'em while you can folks.

[orezona]

We regret that Hasbro has sent an e-mail this morning stating that Wave 2 & Wave 3 have in fact been cancelled until March 2013. The only Retaliation items we will see this year is the little Wave 1 product that are currently in stores now.

OH SNAP.

Oh well. At least I got the stuff I was initially interested in.

[RolandofGilead]

We regret that Hasbro has sent an e-mail this morning stating that Wave 2 & Wave 3 have in fact been cancelled until March 2013. The only Retaliation items we will see this year is the little Wave 1 product that are currently in stores now.

So what does that mean for BBTS? Will they be cancelling my pre-orders too?

I want to be pissed off by this, but there's a part of me that thinks it's frikkin' genius. You do realize that all the "articulation zombies" all shut up and bought up every last GI Joe item in the last two weeks? Now stores can't put product out fast enough and when prices do skyrocket, then the demand will be even higher when Hasbro finally releases them all again.

Genius!

[samantha]

I got that e-mail as well. Oh well, I need to save my money for other stuff coming out any way. :D

[fireflyguy]

I got that e-mail as well. Oh well, I need to save my money for other stuff coming out any way. :D

That's kind of where I'm at. Bbts is supposed to vibe shipping me a case of SW stuff pretty soon. I really want a Joe Colton, but it'll get here sooner or later, I suppose.

[Bionic Commando]

I got that e-mail as well. Oh well, I need to save my money for other stuff coming out any way. :D

Same here

[RolandofGilead]

I'm waiting on a cancellation notice from BBTS, but they could very well just leave the pre-orders alone and change the date from "June" to "March 2013" without a word.

[Galaxus]

I guess that answers my question.

[qwe]

It is possible that a small amount were produced and that BBTS ended up with them. They should get them considering they also have a Joe exclusive..

It seems very odd they would put up a preorder on the same day as a notice cancellation.

I'm happy I pre- ordered....

[Laser Viper]

Wheres Night Viper?

[Typhis]

Maybe its just Kokomo Toys that isn't getting them and BBTS already have them. BBTS hasn't sent me an email.

[villa24]

It is possible that a small amount were produced and that BBTS ended up with them. They should get them considering they also have a Joe exclusive..

It seems very odd they would put up a preorder on the same day as a notice cancellation.

I'm happy I pre- ordered....
its also weird that the set of 5 of series 3 listed as substandard

[Snow Wolf]

wave 5......

Wheres Night Viper?

[CrimsonGuard101]

Maybe its just Kokomo Toys that isn't getting them and BBTS already have them. BBTS hasn't sent me an email.

I havent received any email from Kokomo about nay wave 2 cancellation(never saw that they ever had wave 3 availble) either so i dunno how they communictaed this to hisstank...I spent over $100 with them back in april on wave 2 pre-orders...I think I would get an email if anything was cancelled and or needs to be refunded to my account...

[Raw Dog]

It would be sweet if BBTS got them.

[DaveViper]

Put my order in just in case.

[Typhis]

It would be sweet if BBTS got them.

So sweet cause thats where I ordered from!!!

[Raw Dog]

I pre ordered 6 of the sets of 5. If I get these this year, that will be awesome!

[TheRealDubya]

I havent received any email from Kokomo about nay wave 2 cancellation(never saw that they ever had wave 3 availble) either so i dunno how they communictaed this to hisstank...I spent over $100 with them back in april on wave 2 pre-orders...I think I would get an email if anything was cancelled and or needs to be refunded to my account...

Here's what I got, 2 hours ago:

Kokomo Toys & Collectibles kokomotoys@comcast.net
8:43 AM (2 hours ago)
to me

We regret that Hasbro has sent an e-mail this morning stating that Wave 2 & Wave 3 have in fact been cancelled until March 2013. The only Retaliation items we will see this year is the little Wave 1 product that are currently in stores now.


What to do?
If you would like to keep your order in place for Wave 2 with Kokomo Toys and still secure your items then you need to do nothing. You are locked in and good when they arrive next year.
However, if you would like to cancel your order and be refunded please e-mail us at ambersjordan@comcast.net with your order number and we will refund your money and cancel the order.
Please note, we will announce again and reoffer Wave 2 & Wave 3 early next year while supplies last. Until then, there will be no Gi-Joe items available from Hasbro for 2012.

Thank you for your understanding during this rough patch.

[Typhis]

BBTS emailed me saying Hi, To my knowledge, they are getting pushed back until the release of the movie in 2013 - at least for 3. There are so many rumors floating around.

?????

[CrimsonGuard101]

Here's what I got, 2 hours ago:

Kokomo Toys & Collectibles kokomotoys@comcast.net
8:43 AM (2 hours ago)
to me

We regret that Hasbro has sent an e-mail this morning stating that Wave 2 & Wave 3 have in fact been cancelled until March 2013. The only Retaliation items we will see this year is the little Wave 1 product that are currently in stores now.


What to do?
If you would like to keep your order in place for Wave 2 with Kokomo Toys and still secure your items then you need to do nothing. You are locked in and good when they arrive next year.
However, if you would like to cancel your order and be refunded please e-mail us at ambersjordan@comcast.net with your order number and we will refund your money and cancel the order.
Please note, we will announce again and reoffer Wave 2 & Wave 3 early next year while supplies last. Until then, there will be no Gi-Joe items available from Hasbro for 2012.

Thank you for your understanding during this rough patch.

Guess I am emailing that person and asking for a refund then..I dunno why I didn tget that email ...

[kingphilbert]

Nothing from BBTS here. I assume they just keep them on pre-order for you. They don't charge you until your ordered items ship. No biggie.

[Red Viper 6]

I like it how Hasbro wants to cut costs by merely reconfiguring some of the old stuff, then repainting it, and then thinking we are stupid enough to buy that crap. Cuz that's what it is...Crap!
It doesn't matter anyhow, I wont buy a single piece. Not unless they return to Pursuit of Cobra standards.
I actually feel insulted.

[fireflyguy]

I got the same message from Kokomo, and my preorders for the ninja combat cruiser (wave 2) and the wave 3 case says March 2013 at bbts. I am hoping that bbts may get some in anyway. A fella can hope.

[XAMOT]

Looking good so far.