Retaliation Toys - The Official Discussion Thread

[Aldo Raines]

Just hit up Target, bought a Storm Shadow and a Red Ninja, but passed on my sentimental fave Snake Eyes and the rest of the line. I may buy the 3 pack with Stormy, Snake and the Red Ninja, but these are terrible.

[spiderpumpkin]

Better than VVV AV.

[This I Command!]

These aren't THAT bad. Like any Joe wave, there's some good and some bad. Motorcycle figure are atrocious and the drivers leave a lot to be desired, not having ankle articulation or double knee joints kinda sucks, but you can't deny that Red Ninja, Joe Trooper, Cobra Trooper, Zartan, etc. are pretty solid overall figures.

[kneroh]

awesome thread.

[Aldo Raines]

These aren't THAT bad. Like any Joe wave, there's some good and some bad. Motorcycle figure are atrocious and the drivers leave a lot to be desired, not having ankle articulation or double knee joints kinda sucks, but you can't deny that Red Ninja, Joe Trooper, Cobra Trooper, Zartan, etc. are pretty solid overall figures.

Storm Shadow is pretty good and I did come close to buying Zartan for fodder. The Red Ninja is my favorite of the bunch, and I may b7y multiples of him, but the rest are custom fodder at best for me.

[percehonson]

You must be relatively new to G.I. Joe if you think Retaliation figures are the worst.

[Dealer Destro]

Terrible indeed

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i119/Lyricron/20120528_105504.jpg

[Aldo Raines]

You must be relatively new to G.I. Joe if you think Retaliation figures are the worst.

Negative there Ghost Rider... I bought my first Joe in 1983 and have never stopped.

[bitetheasp]

Terrible indeed


Clearly photoshopped. :D

[Steve T]

Red ninjas and Joe troopers are great! Pass me some of whatever you're smoking.

[kennywr22]

Worst? No way. Some great ones, ok ones, and some meh. Red ninja, joe trooper are great. Cc, cobra trooper, ss, zartan are really good. Se, roadblock are just meh. Roadblock would be really good with ankles and real hands.

[Cobra80]

Terrible indeed

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i119/Lyricron/20120528_105504.jpg

Ha Ha that picture looks like your on the show Doomsday Preppers. Instead of buying multiples of necessity items (food, water) your stocking up on plastic toys :) LoL

[Darren]

Add the standard modern Joe articulation and most of the Retaliation toys would be considered ground breaking. Even with sub par articulation this line is 10 times better than RoC.

[CVdelgado]

i am pleased so far. for myself all i really wanted was red ninjas, a rock, and a storm shadow.

i wound up adding one gi joe trooper because the articulation was cool enough. i'll make him a stand alone joe though and may try my hand at painting him up a bit.

I also decided to add a couple 3 pack red ninja as a leader of my red ninjas after seeing someone's sig on the tank that made them look awesome.

i think you have to realize they are marketing to 2 different customers with the figures. some are for the adult collector and some are for the kiddos. some can go either way i guess. but you have to realize some are just not intended for the scrutiny of the collector.

i am a bit dissapointed in the lack of paint on some figures, but some of them have all the articulation we need. the single carded rock and cobra commander's ankles are the exception so far.

collector oriented
red ninja, joe trooper, storm shadow, 3 pack ninja, 3 pack snake eyes, kamakura, beachhead

kid oriented
duke, cobra trooper, zartan, cobra commander, the rock

the rock is tricky because the single card has the jacked up hands huge missile launcher and no ankle articulation, while the 3 pack is cheaper feeling, but does have the gear and hands you want for your collection.

ALL THE VEHICLES appear to be directed towards the kiddos.

[MrHateAol]

First cool looking Cobra commander pretty much ever. The limited articulation sort of sucks, but it's not as bad as the 25th anniversary wrist connections being brought back, and the downgrading of the plastic quality is kind of bug-nuts stupid.

Still, it could be worse... check out the Dark Knight figures for $5.99... short, 5-point articulation, and at best tolerable sculpting.

I hate to join in on the chorus of nay-sayers, but it feels a lot like we're the core audience for Hasbro, and we're being handed some leftover scraps form the dinner table or something.

With the Dollar General figures it was kind of hard to argue the quality issue... the price point was lower and this was a test run into a down-grade market for Hasbro. But this line, for it's occasional good figures, is sitting below the Rise of Cobra line in terms of overall quality.

It's a shame. Nerds make up a solid majority of the boxoffice that's fueling Hasbro's massive success with Avengers, but we're not good enough to put a little better care into their main toy line.

[jetsandheels]

Today I got Cobra Commander, Zartan, and Storm Shadow. I'm very happy with my purchase. I plan to go back and get a red ninja later this week.

So to keep with the title of this thread, I do not think these Retaliation toys are terrible.

[Aldo Raines]

Red ninjas and Joe troopers are great! Pass me some of whatever you're smoking.

Overall the figure line sucks... let's break it down!

Roadblock D-
Snake Eyes F
Storm Shadow B+
Red Ninja A
Cobra Commander D+
Monkey Headed Duke F-
Joe Trooper B+
Cobra Trooper B+
Zartan C

[sune]

It is good, I can save money to buy more red ninja and joe trooper, and leave the rest garbage to merchant.

[Wylde Weezle]

I agree, my Cobra Commander and Cobra Trooper are kid-friendly bad guys meant to be tossed acroos the room/yard/etc in play explosions ;D
My Joe Trooper and Red Ninja appeal to adult collectors like me who don't do much more than display and pose them. Not the worst Joe figures I've owned, that honor goes to a handful of VvV figures I had (Ace, Alley Viper)

[Aldo Raines]

For what its worth, $10 at Target and I am standing in front of them at Wal Mart for $8.96.

[MrHateAol]

I plan to go back and get a red ninja later this week.


Unless you're the only resident in town for the nearest several miles I'd have easily ditched Zartan in favor of the red ninja. The only reason I didn't buy him when I had my hands on him today is that I have one coming in from Amazon when it looked like Hasbro was gonna pull everything last Wednesday.

If you want ANY of these figures better grap 'em fast, because they will NOT be there in a few days. The dealer market is anxious to get these up on ebay where they can shill them for big bucks.

This was Hasbro's love letter tot eh after-market.... an INSTANT high-priced collectible...

[Aldo Raines]

Blue CC and Blue caped Joe trooper at Wal Mart.

[ndb]

I like the Retaliation troop builders, Zartan, wave 2 Roadblock, Joe Colton, Lady jaye, and Yellow jinx. That's about it. So yeah, the lines not been much so far.

[CVdelgado]

Overall the figure line sucks... let's break it down!

Roadblock D-
Snake Eyes F
Storm Shadow B+
Red Ninja A
Cobra Commander D+
Monkey Headed Duke F-
Joe Trooper B+
Cobra Trooper B+
Zartan C

i say...

Roadblock B+ (once you combine both versions, ankles keep it from an A)
Roadblock leftovers (D but your kid will love the missile launchers)
Snake Eyes D (for the kiddos though)
Snake Eyes 3 pack B+ (neato version, gotta open mine up still)
Storm Shadow B+ (nice looking figure, love these ankles)
Storm Shadow 3 pack C (ugly paint, good articulation)
Red Ninja A (great figure)
Red Ninja 3 pack A (added cool hat and more weapons:))
Kamakura 3 pack B+ (little funky lookin, but my son loves his new ninja and gear)
Beachhead 3 pack B (more paint apps woulda been nice)
Cobra Commander C (no ankle articulation was a miatake)
Monkey Headed Duke F- (the missile launcher will have to sell this guy)
Joe Trooper B+ (needs more paint apps)
Cobra Trooper B+ (cool parachute, the figure is for the kiddos)
Zartan D (ugly ugly ugly zartan, bad paint, i dont know about the articulation)

[Outback 2094]

Overall the figure line sucks... let's break it down!

Roadblock D-
Snake Eyes F
Storm Shadow B+
Red Ninja A
Cobra Commander D+
Monkey Headed Duke F-
Joe Trooper B+
Cobra Trooper B+
Zartan C

How can Roadblock be a "D-"? With the exception of the ankles he has the same articulation points as the majority (if not all) of the Destro figures released in the last five years. I agree he looks a little plain, but a "D-"? Minimum he should be a "C+"... minimal accessories sure, but you have to give him points for actually being able to hold his oversized weapon. And for 3 and 3/4 inch it's a pretty good likeness for The Rock.

[CVdelgado]

judging by what i actually kept from ROC, i doubt this line will be worse...

[Roxxstar]

The worst? Nah, but surely not top of the list. I may try to find a blue cc and joe trooper later on, but this line definitely isn't getting my money the way previous lines have. I'll hold out for the CG and NV (and jinxy) in later waves and call it good.

[DrKain]

************************** that locked my topic!!!!

Anyway, my Target said they will be out tomorrow, so I never even had teh chance to be difficult. :-p We'll se what tomorrow brings since I need to go there anyway to get the new Yu-Gi-Oh! packs.

[Dealer Destro]

************************** that locked my topic!!!!

Anyway, my Target said they will be out tomorrow, so I never even had teh chance to be difficult. :-p We'll se what tomorrow brings since I need to go there anyway to get the new Yu-Gi-Oh! packs.

Thought you weren't buying any until you saw the movie????

[ATCVenom]

If you think the line sucks so bad, then by all means, send me some Red Ninja's and Joe Trooper's1 xD

Seriously though.. to each their own. I don't think the Retaliation line is that bad. Maybe I just have low standards..

[Rainbow Viper]

I don't understand the love for the joe trooper. the only one I think worth getting out of this wave is the red ninja. the others look pretty crappy imo. I haven't looked in stores yet though. I'm pretty sure this first wave will not be as hard to get as people think. Even if they don't ship anymore to stores they will still probably ship more when they start sending them in march.

[Shin Densetsu]

Aside from some figures lacking articulation, the soft plastic used for the hands is irritating, like on the Red Ninja and Storm Shadow, they can barely hold their swords!

[jetsandheels]

Unless you're the only resident in town for the nearest several miles I'd have easily ditched Zartan in favor of the red ninja. The only reason I didn't buy him when I had my hands on him today is that I have one coming in from Amazon when it looked like Hasbro was gonna pull everything last Wednesday.

If you want ANY of these figures better grap 'em fast, because they will NOT be there in a few days. The dealer market is anxious to get these up on ebay where they can shill them for big bucks.

This was Hasbro's love letter tot eh after-market.... an INSTANT high-priced collectible...

I will be going back tomorrow. Hopefully it will be there...if not, then that one's on me. :)

[The Commander]

The troop builders IMO are excellent. So is Zartan and CC. I even like Duke honestly. Only SE, SS, and Roadblock are 'blah'.


That being said, I can't wait for SE and Roadblock in the second wave.

[GI abe444]

I cant say weather they are the worse ever. I havent found any here yet to make a decsion. I'm sure there not the best of the joes we have seen through the all the years but they are a hell of a lot better than the first wave of the 2002 Gijoe Vs Cobra line. Just remember those ugly things lol

[Aldo Raines]

All in all, I bought a blue CC, blue caped Joe Trooper, Zartan, Red Ninja and Storm Shadow.

[kneroh]

All in all, I bought a blue CC, blue caped Joe Trooper, Zartan, Red Ninja and Storm Shadow.

Worst Joes ever... I'll buy 70% of them.

[jscand]

Overall the figure line sucks... let's break it down!

Roadblock D-
Snake Eyes F
Storm Shadow B+
Red Ninja A
Cobra Commander D+
Monkey Headed Duke F-
Joe Trooper B+
Cobra Trooper B+
Zartan C

I am a bit disappointed by the line, but only compared to 30th and POC. Some of the figures are great, others could have been. My scores would be:

Roadblock B- (hand, boot articulation, and weapons hold it back)
Snake Eyes C
Storm Shadow B
Red Ninja A
Cobra Commander C+
Monkey Headed Duke D-
Joe Trooper B+ (discoloration issues from an A)
Cobra Trooper B+
Zartan C+

The problem is, here is where the scores could have been with standard articulation, POC quality plastic, an extra hand for Roadblock, and a little more gear on some of the figs:

Roadblock A
Snake Eyes C+
Storm Shadow A
Red Ninja A
Cobra Commander B+
Monkey Headed Duke C
Joe Trooper A+
Cobra Trooper A
Zartan B+

As for the drivers Clutch and the Water Moccasin driver could easily be "A's" with standard articulation.

[evopete]

passed on RB, SE, Zartan and SS... at 9.99 it was not worth it when I know a year from now I will get a RB which was the only one I want. And a few Joe Troopers as those look like HALO guys to me and this could be a great way to get those figures so that HALO can finally fit in my JoeVers..

[sithlordsmart]

Just hit up Target, bought a Storm Shadow and a Red Ninja, but passed on my sentimental fave Snake Eyes and the rest of the line. I may buy the 3 pack with Stormy, Snake and the Red Ninja, but these are terrible.

Pretty sure Star BriGAYde, and Street Fighter take the cake for most horrible line. Retalliation isn't that bad. put a G.I.Joe basic figure up against a new Spidey or Batman figure then say which sucks..... Just sayin................

[Aldo Raines]

Worst Joes ever... I'll buy 70% of them.

I will move the Trooper and CC... Zartan will be fodder.

[gijon]

Worst Joes ever? Those would be G.I. Joe EXTREME.

[sithlordsmart]

Worst Joes ever? Those would be G.I. Joe EXTREME.

You better wash your mouth out with soap!!!!!! I don't ever wanna hear you say those words EVER again!! :)

[gijon]

I'm sorry you had to hear that!

[AlleyViperEXE]

The Joe trooper is by far the best. Looks like he could have fit into the PoC or 30th line if he had had some more paint apps to break up the green a bit more. Plus I'm not a fan of his unmasked head at all. But the sheer number of accessories he comes with is a big win, and the fact that he doesn't have a retarded gimmick like every other figure in the line really makes him stand out.

All of the ninjas are decent enough. Nothing we haven't seen before, but they look cool, have good articulation, and the 3-Pack comes with some nice accessories.

The Cobra trooper is better than I expected.

Single card Roadblock is lame as hell.

Don't have Duke, Zartan, or CC to judge them...

[redx24]

i passed on all of this today. couldn't justify the price,the look, or anything about this line. i'll stick with dg joes.

[Jason73]

I picked up some of the figures this morning at Target. I'm pretty happy with them.
http://i468.photobucket.com/albums/rr46/jason73brando/Retal1.jpg

[sithlordsmart]

Jason73, I think you should replace the duke in your pic with the O faced duke!!! lol

[Crimson Rage]

To you, apparently, yes they are!

[cobracobra]

I am a fan of the Retaliation figures on the most part. They are colorful, unique and individual looking. Reminds me of 1993 with the orange guns and blue harness. Which I thought the ROC line everything looked very slick and uniform but not really GI JOE.
The string gimmicks are pretty cool in my book.
The quad cannon for Duke is hilarious but under detailed and what could have been a awesome piece is just dull and bulky. When they make guns that need tooling the details just fall straight to the crapper.
The legs are perplexing. I keep trying to bend their ankles I thought the articulation of GI JOE was a given. I understand that this is marketed for kids (PG-13?) but its the quality of a GI JOE is what makes me so loyal to the brand.
The GI JOE trooper is a cool figure but is also confusing. I am not sure why he has four pistols in his back pack. The brown accented one looks a little better than the blue. I love the bright orange shovel. The back pack looks really cool on the Vamp mk 2. The cape drape over the drivers side front of the jeep and then the back pack locks it in place. Both of my GI JOE troopers are wobbly.

[CornDog_The_Ninja]

Sigma 6 was way worse than Retaliation.

Add the standard modern Joe articulation and most of the Retaliation toys would be considered ground breaking. Even with sub par articulation this line is 10 times better than RoC.

No it's not. Name one figure better than Sgt Stone, Pit Commando, Helix, Shipwreck... shit I could go on if I need too.

[nighthawk]

Red Ninjas and Joe Troopers are nice. I actually like the new HISS as well. Only wished I had an extra canopy cause I really like that Canopy on the black HISS V5.

[sithlordsmart]

No it's not. Name one figure better than Sgt Stone, Pit Commando, Helix, Shipwreck... shit I could go on if I need too.[/QUOTE]

Lets see.... Red ninja, Beachhead, slice, zartan.... I can go on too!!! lol

[cobracobra]

Retaliation is probably the best GI JOE line to date.

[Ford]

Not by a long shot. The bad stuff from G.I. Joe was the Extreme, Sigma Six, and Sgt. Savage stuff. Even a lot of the 25 line wasn't as good as it should have been. Then there's the crap from G.I. Joe vs Cobra all the way up through Spy Toops.

The worst: Snake Eyes (v10) , YOJOE.COM | YoJoe.com: Dedicated to the G.I.Joe of the 80's, 90's and beyond! (http://www.yojoe.com/action/02/snakeeyes10.shtml)

[Xenos]

I have both Joe and Cobra troopers and the Red Ninja, and they are all great. I didn't think I was going to like the Cobra trooper (I just bought him for the parachute) but he's actually really cool. The missing articulation really isn't that big a deal on him. He still has a great range of motion o the articulation that he does have. The Joe trooper has some of the best accessories ever, and the Red Ninja is just a great figure.
So of the three I've bought so far, I love all of them. No way I would call this the worst line ever.

[fireflyguy]

They are certainly not the best figures ever, but they certainly aren't the worst either.

[redx24]

i actually bought some dark knight over these

[CornDog_The_Ninja]

Shitty articulation, soft plastic, horrible packaging, ridiculous weapons, worst Zartan ever, repainted ninjas... Retaliation is full of fail.

[redx24]

Sigma 6 was way worse than Retaliation.



No it's not. Name one figure better than Sgt Stone, Pit Commando, Helix, Shipwreck... shit I could go on if I need too.

agreed and aside from the stubby legs i love reactive armor duke/ripcord

[Sciencefriction]

I can't believe the unfounded negativity that surrounds this line. Retaliation is one of the best Joe lines yet. Yes, there are compromises in articulation and accessories, but the character selection is good and the case assortments are good. It's so funny how "online" Joe fans react to two less points of articulation and some rocket launchers.

One better figure? Jeeze, how about Retaliation Snake Eyes or Storm Shadow? Two of the single best Joe figures ever made. Oh wait, I'm talking to people who think: WoRst Joezzz ever DeTh of The Lineee!!!

SMH.

[cobracobra]

I can't believe the unfounded negativity that surrounds this line. Retaliation is one of the best Joe lines yet. Yes, there are compromises in articulation and accessories, but the character selection is good and the case assortments are good. It's so funny how "online" Joe fans react to two less points of articulation and some rocket launchers.

WoRst Joezzz ever DeTh of The Lineee!!!

SMH.
Have to disagree on the case assortments. I would have had 2 of each of the army builders. But other than that I am totally gellin with the line and only wish I could have picked up a Fang Boat today to load some troopers on and chase down Roadblock until he blows them up good.

[Sciencefriction]

Have to disagree on the case assortments. I would have had 2 of each of the army builders.

You're thinking about just Joe collectors, this is still a kids line. It's really aimed more at kids and than collectors (we've gotten used to the opposite). In my mind it's a great compromise. Besides wave 2 has the army builders all over again, so Hasbro is obviously committed to pumping them out.

[redx24]

im not calling deth of the line i still need bruce :)
these might grow on me but for right now im just not interested but i am happy that others enjoy them, hopefully we can all be friends and have more awesome joe to get in the years to come

[redx24]

im not calling deth of the line i still need bruce :)
these might grow on me but for right now im just not interested but i am happy that others enjoy them, hopefully we can all be friends and have more awesome joe to get in the years to come

[Lody]

Sometimes people should just keep their opinions to themselves. The red ninja figure is no different than any other 25th ME, ROC, POC, 30th, Renegades or Resolute figure in regards to quality and articulation.

[Sciencefriction]

Friends, I think everyone can be friends. I'm just tired of people being close minded and not seeing how great some of these new figures are. The 3 packs for example are loaded with accessories and cool figures.

Not counting the movie delay, I really felt Hasbro had finally struck a great balance between catering to both kids and adults. There is something for all of us to enjoy in Retaliation.

The Red Ninja is an exceptional figure. Again this is Hasbro catering to kids and adults at the same time. Adults can enjoy it b/c the articulation is great and it's an army builder. Kids can enjoy the zipline and overall play factor. Besides, if you're really worried about accessories borrow some from 30th SS, lol. :)

Yes, I want Joe Colton very badly myself. In fact, I'd like multiples of that figure. You never know what great customs you can use that head sculpt for down the road. :D

[sithlordsmart]

All I have to say is....
Why Can't We Be Friends- War LYRICS - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRGd0gD0QNE&feature=related)

[redx24]

john mclane is top of my list,bloody feet and wife beater

[Sciencefriction]

john mclane is top of my list,bloody feet and wife beater

I almost think Hasbro was thinking the same thing, seeing as the gave Joe Colton a wife beater basically.

[redx24]

u know i havent seen any pics i guess its time to google it

[Tunnel_Rat1320]

If you think the line sucks so bad, then by all means, send me some Red Ninja's and Joe Trooper's1 xD

Seriously though.. to each their own. I don't think the Retaliation line is that bad. Maybe I just have low standards..

Low Standards indeed.... Naw, just a fond appreciation of action figures bud :-)

[spiderpumpkin]

Terrible indeed

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i119/Lyricron/20120528_105504.jpg

Cool packaging.

[spiderpumpkin]

I think they are too tall. Retaliation Red Ninja towers over 25th Red Ninja, etc. Roadblock is very tall.

[Sciencefriction]

You know, at first I thought the packaging was bad, and compared to the 25th/30th et all it's not as nice, but it's fun and jumps off the shelf. I'm sure kids will still buy these just because the Rock is on the packaging. So I think it was a good move marketing wise.

[fireflyguy]

john mclane is top of my list,bloody feet and wife beater

I sooooooo hope this figure gets released.

[Indiana Joe]

It is good, I can save money to buy more red ninja and joe trooper, and leave the rest garbage to merchant.

Terrible indeed

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i119/Lyricron/20120528_105504.jpg

where did you find? all at same store? I see blue and tan joe troopers.

[redx24]

opening my bat jet and already love the batpod gimmick and all

[Crimson Rage]

Originally Posted by Darren
Even with sub par articulation this line is 10 times better than RoC.

Well, I'm all for respecting other people's views but... no it ain't.

[Headman]

Yeah, they're actually the worst since the modern era began. It's sad because the look of the toys aren't bad for the most part, but the cheapness and dumb gimmicks like the Rock's key hand are just plain horrible. If their goal is to barely compete with Corps in terms of quality they're well on their way.

[CVdelgado]

Sigma 6 was way worse than Retaliation.



No it's not. Name one figure better than Sgt Stone, Pit Commando, Helix, Shipwreck... shit I could go on if I need too.

the only one i kept from that list was helix, although i do still have the shippy head on another body.

the arctic doc and shippy should be considered pre poc, not really roc.

[jestermon]

I do have to disagree with the thing about army builders, I had one of each of the original turtles but 3-4 foot soldiers, so army builders aren't just for collectors.

[Xenos]

I think they are too tall. Retaliation Red Ninja towers over 25th Red Ninja, etc. Roadblock is very tall.

That's been an ongoing trend even before Retaliation. Do you have Sci-Fi? He's a good half inch taller then the average 25th figure.

[kingphilbert]

I think the ones that are cool are real cool: Joe Trooper, Red Ninjas, etc. Unfortunately the limited articulation kept me away from other potential great ones like the Cobra Trooper and Zartan. Then characters like Duke just tanked for me.

My only complaint about the better ones is the soft flexible plastic used for the knees as opposed to the hard plastic knees of previous releases.

[redx24]

i must say im impressed target for tell hasbro screw it and selling these

[emags]

I think it is clearly a step back and a wasted opportunity.

We lost articulation, file cards, art and stands and gained rocket launches, parachutes and other kitschy gimmicks. Not to excited about that trade. Moreover the packaging we did get is terrible. I mean, it looks like something you would get if you were buying GI Joe napkins and paper plates for an 8 year old's birthday party. Just bad.

In addition, the line did not break any new ground. Of course, I realize these are movies toys and the movie is about Roadblock, Snake Eyes, Flint, Storm Shadow, Cobra Commander, but I really do not need any more of those figures especially when they lack articulation and have keys for hands.

The Trooper is new, but I do not see him up to the Pit Commando or Steel Brigade troop builders level.

Some people really seem to like the line, and I do not begrudge them one bit. That said, I feel like I hear a lot of rationalizations (e.g. they are not THAT bad, if it was 2006 you would be happy with this level of articulation, I throw out the packages anyway). What I have not heard, is anyone as excited by this line as say PoC, and that's my point.....it is a step backwards, not forwards.

[Aldo Raines]

Yeah, they're actually the worst since the modern era began. It's sad because the look of the toys aren't bad for the most part, but the cheapness and dumb gimmicks like the Rock's key hand are just plain horrible. If their goal is to barely compete with Corps in terms of quality they're well on their way.

Someone shares my views exactly!

[CVdelgado]

retaliation trooper > pit commando

the loads of gear for pit commando was his only plus.

[fireflyguy]

I was taken aback by the lack of ankle articulation in the CC and Roadblock (although I'm pretty sure I knew it was coming), but for how I'm going to be displaying CC, he doesn't need ankle articulation. But the cobra trooper, his lack of ankle articulation is what killed him for me, because I thought he was less than stellar anyway.

[plat_4u]

I just came back from the store and just stood there looking at each one in my hands.

I was actually looking forward to seeing these guys at the stores.

These just don't do it to me. More for you guys.

I just went and ordered more sideshow Joe's yeah! Now those are for me!

[Aldo Raines]

i must say im impressed target for tell hasbro screw it and selling these

Wal Mart has them for a $1 cheaper... bought 3 figures there and 2 at Target.

[fireflyguy]

I think it is clearly a step back and a wasted opportunity.

We lost articulation, file cards, art and stands and gained rocket launches, parachutes and other kitschy gimmicks. Not to excited about that trade. Moreover the packaging we did get is terrible. I mean, it looks like something you would get if you were buying GI Joe napkins and paper plates for an 8 year old's birthday party. Just bad.


The positive for me is that with the packaging, it's going straight to the trash --- I'm not cutting out file cards or keeping card backs. And to me, none of these look worthy of keeping MOC, so I'm not doing that with any of these either. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather have the file cards, but it is saving me a little time.

[emags]

retaliation trooper > pit commando

the loads of gear for pit commando was his only plus.

I don't know...I mean, the Retaliation Trooper just does not look like a Joe and some of his gear, is well, neon. Plus, he has a cape. Yes, I know you can toss all of that, but that's sort of the point....if the figure was well designed, you would not need to. Just feels like a cheap HALO knock off.

[CVdelgado]

The positive for me is that with the packaging, it's going straight to the trash --- I'm not cutting out file cards or keeping card backs. And to me, none of these look worthy of keeping MOC, so I'm not doing that with any of these either. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather have the file cards, but it is saving me a little time.

true. i agree 100%. saves time and space.

it is kind of liberating tossing all that stuff in the recycle.

[Hit & Run]

I grabbed the two three packs and a red ninja to go along with my Amazon pack. Actually really happy with all of them. Plugged my non-used vehicle driver stands on them and they fit in well with my other Joes.

[emags]

The positive for me is that with the packaging, it's going straight to the trash --- I'm not cutting out file cards or keeping card backs. And to me, none of these look worthy of keeping MOC, so I'm not doing that with any of these either. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather have the file cards, but it is saving me a little time.

Well, u could toss the PoC / RoC too if you wanted, and at least others could collect them...that way we both could win. As it stands now, prices did not go down, but we got less stuff. That's a lose / lose.

[Energon Viper]

Worst of all time? Hardly. Okay call me crazy Retaliation is right up there with my favorites of all time.

The lack of articulation on some figures bugs me, really bad actually, but te sculpts are so cool I can ignore it. I don't typically have Cobra Commander in action poses anyway, so really it's ireelevevant. I finally stopped and looked at the new hiss driver and his sculpt is cool as shit. I don't want to excuse the downgraded articulation but it's really not that bad... I will take single jointed knees over 'duke arms' any day. Are we ever getting a thigh swivel? That would be even better than rocker ankles.

Zartan is wicked looking, the storm storm shadow is great, and The new joe trooper is probably my favorite of all time.

The only one I want to like but can't is the cobra trooper.

[MrHateAol]

I will be going back tomorrow. Hopefully it will be there...if not, then that one's on me. :)

Sincerely hope you have good luck with that. I made sure I didn't take more than I wanted so others could get their hands on the figures as well.

[Flint-wo2]

I like them.

[Zarana]

I don't know. I heard in like the '60s they used to make dolls.

[cobracobra]

Where are the Retaliation dolls for that matter? They made them for the 30th?

[MrHateAol]

i actually bought some dark knight over these

Okay, at the risk of being rude, that's just stupid....

[OpusJoe]

I agree- I passed on all of them when I saw them at TOys R Us the other day- didnt like any of them- My Joes are lead by Duke- not by Roadblock...

[sithlordsmart]

If your having trouble finding any, let me know I may be able to help

[AlleyViperEXE]

I think they're trying to appeal to a broader audience with these figures.

That's why the main characters (Roadblock, SE, SS, Duke, etc) come with huge missile launchers and stuff to appeal to kids, while troop builders--the figures that Hasbro knows collectors primarily want---come with less gimmicky stuff, and seem to have (generally) better articulation.

As others have said, that red ninja sculpt is pretty much exactly the same as Renegades SS, and has some pretty nice articulation and whatnot. The Joe Trooper seems like the collector's wet dream, since it doesn't have any gimmick, and comes with a boatload of accessories.

So the figures seem to range from; Some appeal primarily to kids, some appeal to both kids and collectors, and some appeal primarily to collectors.

Personally, I think it's a great line, because anyone can enjoy certain figures from it.

[youdoitimbusy]

Aside from some figures lacking articulation, the soft plastic used for the hands is irritating, like on the Red Ninja and Storm Shadow, they can barely hold their swords!

I second that notion, there is no way the red ninja gets a solid A with the quality plastic on the hands.

[sithlordsmart]

I agree- I passed on all of them when I saw them at TOys R Us the other day- didnt like any of them- My Joes are lead by Duke- not by Roadblock...

Earth to Opus...... Duke DIED!!!!!! Long live Ninja force..... I mean Roadblock!!!

[Headman]

I think they're trying to appeal to a broader audience with these figures.

That's why the main characters (Roadblock, SE, SS, Duke, etc) come with huge missile launchers and stuff to appeal to kids, while troop builders--the figures that Hasbro knows collectors primarily want---come with less gimmicky stuff, and seem to have (generally) better articulation.

As others have said, that red ninja sculpt is pretty much exactly the same as Renegades SS, and has some pretty nice articulation and whatnot. The Joe Trooper seems like the collector's wet dream, since it doesn't have any gimmick, and comes with a boatload of accessories.

So the figures seem to range from; Some appeal primarily to kids, some appeal to both kids and collectors, and some appeal primarily to collectors.

Personally, I think it's a great line, because anyone can enjoy certain figures from it.


No, the goal was to be cheap. Pick up a Ghost Hawk II and you'll see and feel exactly how cheap they went this time around. Gimmicks are one thing, but taking away features and articulation that's always been there until now is just plain cheap.

[AlleyViperEXE]

No, the goal was to be cheap. Pick up a Ghost Hawk II and you'll see and feel exactly how cheap they went this time around. Gimmicks are one thing, but taking away features and articulation that's always been there until now is just plain cheap.

I don't collect vehicles really, and that articulation has not "always been there." People were spoiled by PoC, and now everything has to be that way, or it's "bad."

Oh, and if anything, the gimmicks and missile launchers are what's "always been there."

[Keenan]

I finally got to open the new figures. Very hit and miss. Some, like Duke, are a step above the DTC Joes. Others, like the Red Ninja, are great additions to my collection.

[Dem_Yoe'z!]

Overall I think the Retaliation is the worst as far as ME goes, but they aren't ALL bad. The Red Ninja and Joe Troopers are pretty good, and both 3-packs are excellent. I also like the black CC.

If we ever see wave 2+ there are some nice figures in those waves as well.

[redx24]

Okay, at the risk of being rude, that's just stupid....

what can i say im a batman fan, u make a batman out of dog shit and i'll probly buy it. no offence taken, but i kinda dig some of these vehicles and with some head swaps the rest is ok. not gold but shit least im happy. with the joes i know i have such high expectations and whatever u think ther'e just not doing it for me. just save me a couple coltonf figs when they get released alright.

[Griffin73]

Custom fodder to be sure.

[emags]

I don't collect vehicles really, and that articulation has not "always been there." People were spoiled by PoC, and now everything has to be that way, or it's "bad."

Oh, and if anything, the gimmicks and missile launchers are what's "always been there."

Some people collect vehicles, like myself, so the cheapness of Ghost Hawk is very disappointing. Hollow missiles? Come on.

But, I have a hard time with the "people were spoiled comment". You spoil a child when you give them too many treats. We are paying consumers, so nobody is being spoiled. We pay a price, in exchange for a product. Hasbro is not doing us any favors, nor are we doing Hasbro any favors. It is a simple business transaction.

If Hasbro cuts quality and costs, yet not prices, then we have a decision to make. I know how I voted....I passed on the line.

But, let's not pretend Hasbro is "spoiling" us or doing us any favors. We are paying for the product. If they put out a sub-standard product, they don't earn my dollars.

[spiderpumpkin]

That's been an ongoing trend even before Retaliation. Do you have Sci-Fi? He's a good half inch taller then the average 25th figure.

No, I passed for that very reason.

[CrimsonGuard101]

Not as good as we have been getting, but the single carded Joe trooper, cobra trooper, red ninjas, storm shadow, roadblock, black cobra commander and the two 3packs are pretty damn cool. Duke is the worst figure of all time aside from the 2 unarticualted vehicles drivers i gto from the HIss and Fangboat driver lol..the dollar general version blows his blandness of the single carded duke outta the water.

Fagboat and Hiss tank are also welcomed addtions to my colelction, and I really didnt want anymore especially teh fabgboats but they turned out great.

The AWE and 2 mini-cycles can rot on the pegs till next year for all I care. And that huge flop of a toy called the Ghost Hawk 2? Terrible...it can colelct dust as well...too bad they didn thave large decent vehicles planned for this movie laucnh...cause with the Ghost hawk 2 and its dust collecting...retail will be done for a long long time with larger vehicles...how we went from the skystriker to this thing is beyond me...so sad...

[fireflyguy]

The AWE and 2 mini-cycles can rot on the pegs till next year for all I care. And that huge flop of a toy called the Ghost Hawk 2? Terrible...it can colelct dust as well...too bad they didn thave large decent vehicles planned for this movie laucnh...cause with the Ghost hawk 2 and its dust collecting...retail will be done for a long long time with larger vehicles...how we went from the skystriker to this thing is beyond me...so sad...

the AWE Striker is pretty nice, actually, once you get rid of the Arashikage symbol and the stupid gun. I'm not sure what I'm gonna put on top, but I've got an idea brewing.

I'm looking forward tithe re-vamp of the Vamp. I've preordered it, so hopefully I'll get it.

[spiderpumpkin]

the AWE Striker is pretty nice, actually, once you get rid of the Arashikage symbol and the stupid gun. I'm not sure what I'm gonna put on top, but I've got an idea brewing.

I'm looking forward tithe re-vamp of the Vamp. I've preordered it, so hopefully I'll get it.

Ghost Hawk 2 looks like an Energon Transformer in vehicle mode.

[ChaplainAsst]

I think labeling these movie figures as "worst ever" ignores alot of issues in every line. PoC had issues with legs being different lengths. Every line has had "fixes" immediately after they were released, as most figures can use a little work to make them either more realistic or more like their namesake. I would suggest that RoC were the worst as few people include those figures as their favorites (there are exceptions, but I mean by and large). This line doesn't have the powered suits, the every color of the rainbow Vipers, or $50 vehicles. That is not to say that I won't skip over several figures and vehicles - some just aren't for me (Zartan and Ghost Hawk II for example) - but I skipped far more in RoC, some even after they went on clearance.

[CrimsonGuard101]

I think labeling these movie figures as "worst ever" ignores alot of issues in every line. PoC had issues with legs being different lengths. Every line has had "fixes" immediately after they were released, as most figures can use a little work to make them either more realistic or more like their namesake. I would suggest that RoC were the worst as few people include those figures as their favorites (there are exceptions, but I mean by and large). This line doesn't have the powered suits, the every color of the rainbow Vipers, or $50 vehicles. That is not to say that I won't skip over several figures and vehicles - some just aren't for me (Zartan and Ghost Hawk II for example) - but I skipped far more in RoC, some even after they went on clearance.

Zartan isnt too bad...his unarticulated KISS boots suck...but I am working on finding some decent replacements for em...havent found a combo i like yet...but it will happen at some point. The light pip in his head makes hes cowl all wonky...still nor please with that nor the unupainted faces witht he various green and red eyes...but none the less he is a step above the stupid Duke figure...

the AWE Striker is pretty nice, actually, once you get rid of the Arashikage symbol and the stupid gun. I'm not sure what I'm gonna put on top, but I've got an idea brewing.

I'm looking forward tithe re-vamp of the Vamp. I've preordered it, so hopefully I'll get it.

Rge green and tan ones from the 25th I got were sufficient as far as AWE strikers goes...this one is purley a money grab...nothing about it screams buy me

[spiderpumpkin]

I think labeling these movie figures as "worst ever" ignores alot of issues in every line. PoC had issues with legs being different lengths. Every line has had "fixes" immediately after they were released, as most figures can use a little work to make them either more realistic or more like their namesake. I would suggest that RoC were the worst as few people include those figures as their favorites (there are exceptions, but I mean by and large). This line doesn't have the powered suits, the every color of the rainbow Vipers, or $50 vehicles. That is not to say that I won't skip over several figures and vehicles - some just aren't for me (Zartan and Ghost Hawk II for example) - but I skipped far more in RoC, some even after they went on clearance.

I'm just glad all 1982-1994 figures didn't change much over the years. Now we have 25th figjres that are short compared to the 4" plus 30th, Renegades and Retaliation.

[700block]

the joe trooper is so awesome. i want more!!

[Xenomech]

The flaws in the Retaliation line are just too big and are stopping me from getting back into collecting. Lack of ankle articulation and lack of double-knee joints on many figures, no stands, no cards, lackluster paint schemes, and garbage like Roadblock's hand all add up to a show-stopping mess for me.

[HEAT Viper]

Pretty sure Star BriGAYde, and Street Fighter take the cake for most horrible line. Retalliation isn't that bad. put a G.I.Joe basic figure up against a new Spidey or Batman figure then say which sucks..... Just sayin................

^^^^^ This.
I found Retaliation figures at Wal-mart this past Friday--they were actually putting out all the new stuff when I got there (that was a first). I grabbed a CC, Cobra Trooper, Red Ninja, and Joe trooper (they had one case worth of stuff on the pegs) and then I walked around checking out the Spider-man and DK stuff.

Wow.

Granted, retaliation isn't POC or 30th--that's for sure, and I passed on the SE/SS/Zartan, etc because already have superior versions of those characters,

BUT

It's still the best looking new action figure line in the major stores right now. That either says something good about this line or something bad about action figures overall.

Also, I like Retaliation a lot better than ROC. I ended up taking most of the ROC stuff I bought back not long after I bought it. That line was just one blue/grey/black figure after another. At least this one is more interesting to look at and, maybe its just me, but I get a lot more of a "G.I. Joe/Cobra vibe" off this line than I ever did from ROC.

[Flint071]

Terrible indeed

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i119/Lyricron/20120528_105504.jpg

So you hated these I see...LOL

[Rainbow Viper]

I think labeling these movie figures as "worst ever" ignores alot of issues in every line. PoC had issues with legs being different lengths. Every line has had "fixes" immediately after they were released, as most figures can use a little work to make them either more realistic or more like their namesake. I would suggest that RoC were the worst as few people include those figures as their favorites (there are exceptions, but I mean by and large). This line doesn't have the powered suits, the every color of the rainbow Vipers, or $50 vehicles. That is not to say that I won't skip over several figures and vehicles - some just aren't for me (Zartan and Ghost Hawk II for example) - but I skipped far more in RoC, some even after they went on clearance.

Well, I thought ROC was just as good as any line before it or POC even. But aside from that, it is still very obvious just by glancing at a ROC and Retaliation figure that ROC is far superior. A great example is Duke. The first wave fig of his from ROC blows the Retaliation Duke away. and I'm gonna assume you probably didn't even pick that one up on clearance. You may hate ROC CC but that figure is worlds better than the Retaliation one. The ROC one was at least screen accurate and had a lot of cool details and full articulation. The Retaliation one isn't film accurate at all and is very plain compared to all other versions of the figure. I'm not gonna say this is the worst line ever, but it is by the far the worst of the modern era.

[Galaxus]

The main thing that bugs me about this line is the lack of cardart and filecards.

[Headman]

The main thing that bugs me about this line is the lack of cardart and filecards.

Lack of everything. Filecards, articulation, landing gears on the Ghost Hawk, all sorts of stuff.

[Galaxus]

Lack of everything.

Well to be fair some of the figures are pretty cool for a movieline.

[Ruin]

Some wave are better than others.

I've seen everything from wave I except the Troopers and the single Red Ninja, and the only thing I picked up was the single SS from Tru with a 30th Ripcord (they were buy one, get one half off)

I would have picked up the Red Ninja or the the Troopers, however for trades. I think they're probably great figures, but just don't fit for me right now. Likewise, I'm interested in both Dojo sets, but I'll probably just wait awhile since I do not need them.

I did pick up a third SkyStriker and found five Tigersnakes from the last movie on clearance for $5. Armybuilders!!!!!

[HEAT Viper]

Well, I thought ROC was just as good as any line before it or POC even. But aside from that, it is still very obvious just by glancing at a ROC and Retaliation figure that ROC is far superior. A great example is Duke. The first wave fig of his from ROC blows the Retaliation Duke away. and I'm gonna assume you probably didn't even pick that one up on clearance. You may hate ROC CC but that figure is worlds better than the Retaliation one. The ROC one was at least screen accurate and had a lot of cool details and full articulation. The Retaliation one isn't film accurate at all and is very plain compared to all other versions of the figure. I'm not gonna say this is the worst line ever, but it is by the far the worst of the modern era.

I agree with you re: ROC Duke vs. Retaliation Duke. Retaliation Duke is, in my opinion, the weakest of the line. Given that it's the same actor in the role, the Retaliation figure could've been much better and more in line with ROC Duke. That said, I passed on ROC Duke because to me, he wasn't Duke, did not look like Duke, didn't scream Duke, etc. And yes, the ROC CC was screen accurate, but is there anybody who thought the ROC version of CC was good (as in costume design/mask, etc.)? I'd sure like to meet them . . . Retaliation CC looks like CC, even if he isn't identical to the screen version (would love to see one that is though).

I collected Joes between '82-'92 and I haven't missed a modern line since 25th, though I am not a completionist and I only get what I like. I ended up keeping 10 ROC figures:

2 Paris Pursuit SE (one of each Timber)
Shipwreck
Pit Commando
Ice Viper
Kamakura (basically a 25th SS/Quick Kick kitbash)
TRU Snow Serpent (25th repaint)
Para-Viper (25th Repaint)
City Strike SE (Resolute figure)
Arctic Doc (POC lead-in)

Of these 10 figures, only 3 are specific to ROC. I already have 4 Retaliation figures. Granted, I probably won't be picking up too many more, but that tells me something . . .

As for POC and 30th, I have almost everything, and multiplies of many. Those lines blew everything else out of the water.

That said, this all just my opinion. We are all collectors and we all have different tastes. All I've done is present mine. To each their own and thanks for expressing yours. One of the best things about this community is what we learn from each other and how/why we collect.

[nyb3017]

This line is garbage!!!! Very little Articulation, little to no acessories , no stand, no file cards seriously no file cards come on hasbro. This toy line is not worth the $ 9.99 price tag at best $3.00......

[whitefox360]

So are people from brooklyn

[Dealer Destro]

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i119/Lyricron/20120528_162747.jpg

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i119/Lyricron/20120528_162732.jpg


These things are terrible.

[Viper6]

they couldve been better im not minding the ones i bought, make for some good customs n fodder at minimum, the kamakura and cobra trooper ended up favorites once i put em to the knife and brush.

[Scroll142]

awesome thread.



lol

[CrimsonGuard101]

I dont get the fascination with the file cards...card has been pretty crappy since the 25th died...they all use the MARS industries MKL-19878-C-BA1 Dual Plasma Ninja star throwing Sub Machine Gun Usi Pistol Spear anyway...theres tons of vintage filecards on ebay...The originals are the only ones that are good enough to keep anyways...

Some have plenty of accessoires (and mos tof the 30th POC line gave people way more then most figures can carry). I do agree on the figure stands though..woudl have rather had those then these gimicks devices...all Ninjas should have had this Raiden hat though..I hated on it at first but it looks pretty badass in hand...least have enough 3 Pack Ninjas to go around that awesomeness lol..oh and the 3 packs? packed FULL of accessories...grab a couple you wont be disappointed.

[Headman]

Yes we know. Thank you for the new thread.

[Rainbow Viper]

That said, this all just my opinion. We are all collectors and we all have different tastes. All I've done is present mine. To each their own and thanks for expressing yours. One of the best things about this community is what we learn from each other and how/why we collect.

Definitely. That Duke comparison was just too easy for me. lol. For me though, only a select few of Retaliation I want. This might change but I doubt it. The Red Ninjas, Jinx, Lady Jaye, and Blind Master. I'm very thankful they didn't screw any of the Jinx figs over by cutting articulation. Also, most of the ROC/25th figs I did get on clearance, but half I did pay full price for and there are still several of those I hope to get one day. Still no kamakura :( give me a holler if you wanna sell yours! lol

[ChaplainAsst]

Well, I thought ROC was just as good as any line before it or POC even. But aside from that, it is still very obvious just by glancing at a ROC and Retaliation figure that ROC is far superior. A great example is Duke. The first wave fig of his from ROC blows the Retaliation Duke away. and I'm gonna assume you probably didn't even pick that one up on clearance. You may hate ROC CC but that figure is worlds better than the Retaliation one. The ROC one was at least screen accurate and had a lot of cool details and full articulation. The Retaliation one isn't film accurate at all and is very plain compared to all other versions of the figure. I'm not gonna say this is the worst line ever, but it is by the far the worst of the modern era.

Actually I have several of the desert ambush duke figures - they are great for customs. That's what many of the RoC figures were great for - making customs. Wave 1 had just as many non-movie figures as Retaliation. Don't forget Destro who never appeared like that in the movie.

[doomed huh]

could anyone figure out how to work that pulley contraption that comes with storm shadow

[CrimsonGuard101]

could anyone figure out how to work that pulley contraption that comes with storm shadow

No..my cat ended running off with it...he can keep it lol...

[nyb3017]

So are people from brooklyn

Thanks for the compliment..

[Headman]

This thread is a hit!

[Rainbow Viper]

Actually I have several of the desert ambush duke figures - they are great for customs. That's what many of the RoC figures were great for - making customs. Wave 1 had just as many non-movie figures as Retaliation. Don't forget Destro who never appeared like that in the movie.

that's why I didn't use Destro as an example. lol. but at least he had full articulation and his own stand! I thought that Destro would've been perfect if he had better colors, maybe painted black. I really liked the colors on the TRU 3 pack.

[Jay West]

Actually I have several of the desert ambush duke figures - they are great for customs. That's what many of the RoC figures were great for - making customs. Wave 1 had just as many non-movie figures as Retaliation. Don't forget Destro who never appeared like that in the movie.

Yep, I think I have used the ROC Destro 5-6 times for customs. The Destro was a peg warmer, but a great figure.

[CrimsonGuard101]

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i119/Lyricron/20120528_162747.jpg




These things are terrible.

OMG those engines on that Goat Hawk are GIGANTIC LOL...makes the pilot look all little...Roadblock is gonna get sucked in!

[nyb3017]

As a fan I have the right to voice my opinion. I will not hold back because I don't want to hurt hasbro's feelings like some people. How does a company release a figure like lifeline and shadow tracker then release the worse duke and roadblock ever.

[drunknmunky]

GI Joe Extreme disagrees with this thread.

YOJOE.COM | Lt. Stone (http://www.yojoe.com/action/other/extreme/stone3/)

[CrimsonGuard101]

As a fan I have the right to voice my opinion. I will not hold back because I don't want to hurt hasbro's feelings like some people. How does a company release a figure like lifeline and shadow tracker then release the worse duke and roadblock ever.

At Paramount's request...they dont want anything competing with Avengers or its toys...that was Paramount's doing...and of course Hasbro being the shy coy spineless brainless minion of paramount..obeyed their overlord masters...

[sithlordsmart]

As a fan I have the right to voice my opinion. I will not hold back because I don't want to hurt hasbro's feelings like some people. How does a company release a figure like lifeline and shadow tracker then release the worse duke and roadblock ever.

Simple they just do.... And the majority ate it up and bought them. This line just proved how much we all suffer as completist, and O.C.D addicts. IMO, just sayin.....

[kneroh]

stfu

[GI abe444]

Yeah i forgot about GIJoe Extreme! Yup Horrible!

[Viper6]

the three packs were alright, no complaints from me except the stands. the carded figs, yeah they need a lil love but they are still "Ok" but yeah not for 9.99 as has been said.

[sithlordsmart]

stfu

They're all gonna laugh at you - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk_uVqAcGbE)

[HEAT Viper]

Definitely. That Duke comparison was just too easy for me. lol. For me though, only a select few of Retaliation I want. This might change but I doubt it. The Red Ninjas, Jinx, Lady Jaye, and Blind Master. I'm very thankful they didn't screw any of the Jinx figs over by cutting articulation. Also, most of the ROC/25th figs I did get on clearance, but half I did pay full price for and there are still several of those I hope to get one day. Still no kamakura :( give me a holler if you wanna sell yours! lol

Yeah man! Will do! As for Retaliation, I'd like another Joe trooper or two, a Black CC, maybe a Joe Colton/Bruce Willis just 'cuz and some Night Vipers/CGs. Definitely won't be going as big on this line as I have on past ones.

[ndb]

As if we did not have enough thread on this topic.

[CG82]

Are these figures based on a GI JOE video game much like some of the ROC figures were? Some designs like Zartan looked modeled on Renegades Zartan.

[misfit1015]

This line is garbage!!!! Very little Articulation, little to no acessories , no stand, no file cards seriously no file cards come on hasbro. This toy line is not worth the $ 9.99 price tag at best $3.00......

really?

I think you might just be the first person on this board to say that.

[fireflyguy]

At least the Joe figures are better than the Spiderman figures.

[Steeler58]

The price of these figures is horrible and is really turning me away. I bought one three pack and a red ninja. I could not bring myself to buy more. I will be very picky with this line.

[Galaxus]

Lets not forget that all toylines have seen a price increase.

[ROC Solid Snake]

GI Joe Extreme disagrees with this thread.

YOJOE.COM | Lt. Stone (http://www.yojoe.com/action/other/extreme/stone3/)

Damn that's awful; glad I was on hiatus then.

[CVdelgado]

As a fan I have the right to voice my opinion. I will not hold back because I don't want to hurt hasbro's feelings like some people. How does a company release a figure like lifeline and shadow tracker then release the worse duke and roadblock ever.

the only issue is why did you think your opinion warrented a new thread?

[Flint-wo2]

I like the figures.

[seppaku]

So are people from brooklyn

LoL!! Forget About it!!!!

[ROC Solid Snake]

Yes we know. Thank you for the new thread.

:)...

[generic trooper]

If you want to see what a garbage toy line looks like, go check out the Dark Knight figures.
The Retaliation line isn't Joe at its best, but it's still a hell of a lot better than most of the competition.

[Shogi]

This line is garbage!!!! Very little Articulation, little to no acessories , no stand, no file cards seriously no file cards come on hasbro. This toy line is not worth the $ 9.99 price tag at best $3.00......

Ahem, Dollar General figures: Very little accessories, no file cards, generic stands, priced at $6. Yet these are golden and retaliation is crap.

I can understand being upset at the price and lack of articulation, but let's try to leave the filler (Lack of accessories/file cards) out of the arguement.

[agent888]

I dont get the fascination with the file cards...card has been pretty crappy since the 25th died...they all use the MARS industries MKL-19878-C-BA1 Dual Plasma Ninja star throwing Sub Machine Gun Usi Pistol Spear anyway...theres tons of vintage filecards on ebay...The originals are the only ones that are good enough to keep anyways...

Some have plenty of accessoires (and mos tof the 30th POC line gave people way more then most figures can carry). I do agree on the figure stands though..woudl have rather had those then these gimicks devices...all Ninjas should have had this Raiden hat though..I hated on it at first but it looks pretty badass in hand...least have enough 3 Pack Ninjas to go around that awesomeness lol..oh and the 3 packs? packed FULL of accessories...grab a couple you wont be disappointed.

i agree that there is little difference between no filecard and a crap filecard , but i really miss them.

[Lody]

Phew

For a second there I thought we were going to go an hour without a "Retaliation toys suck" thread....

Way to make the save OP.

[Zarana]

I would make a " retaliation packaging is trash" thread, but I don't think everyone would get the joke.

[agent888]

thanxs to YoJoe and the new databank here i can find most everything here, but as a kid it helped form a connection. maybe it would with kids today. if they can read, or imagine.

[Buzzetta]

So are people from brooklyn

Easy now....

Actually, I am disappointed with almost all the toy lines across the board. The only two lines that have maintained quality seems to be the Star Wars line and Lego.

The Avengers figures do not swivel at the waist or have wrist articulation. In the case of Hawkeye they could not even secure Jeremy Renner's likeness. I passed on them all except for the Cap I bought months ago assuming that the figure was articulated.

GI Joe, they DO seem bare bones. With a price increase they should have kept the established accessories. If they were going to cut the accessories then they should have maintained the price point. I also hate the hand on Roadblock. I would have bought one if it did not have the tabs in it for the guns.

Transformers - Same old same old... the plastic even feels a little cheaper for some reason. I bought and opened the animated Cliffjumper and sold it immediately. It is a shame when the best stuff is being produced by unlicensed third parties. I cannot wait for the Justoys Dinobots.

Dark Knight Rises figures... There is a reason there was so much Green Lantern merchandise left on the shelf. It sucked. They were statues or articulated like Kenner Star Wars figures from 1981. The Dark Knight figures have the same limited articulation. If Mattel wants me to spend some money then step the game up.

Any major lines I am missing?

And by the way... Star Wars seems to be throwing some non articulated figures out there just to see how they fare... Anyone else see that Bespin three pack which is has the same exact articulation as the old Kenner figures?

I realize they are kids toys... however if they want my money they need to give me a reason. Even if I had kids, I would not buy a lot of what I see on the shelf.

[Colt Blue]

Some of us like the figures, so get over your self and why another rant thread anyway?

[GeneralxRon]

im going to buy all the retaliation figures i can find..they're awesome! New joe figures ..pew pew pew..
(in before the lock)

[ROC Solid Snake]

Ahem, Dollar General figures: Very little accessories, no file cards, generic stands, priced at $6. Yet these are golden and retaliation is crap.

I can understand being upset at the price and lack of articulation, but let's try to leave the filler (Lack of accessories/file cards) out of the arguement.

I love the Dollar Joes. For a person who collects MOC, those Arishikage cards are pretty cool. The figure selection, in my opinion, is also a win for the money. Not excited about the Retaliation figs, but I don't think they're trash.

[Nightrain]

I understand that this isn't the worst line. But has a decline this steep previously happened?

[Troynos]

If you want to see what a garbage toy line looks like, go check out the Dark Knight figures.
The Retaliation line isn't Joe at its best, but it's still a hell of a lot better than most of the competition.


^ This


Ahem, Dollar General figures: Very little accessories, no file cards, generic stands, priced at $6. Yet these are golden and retaliation is crap.

I can understand being upset at the price and lack of articulation, but let's try to leave the filler (Lack of accessories/file cards) out of the arguement.

^ And Very much This

[Kaboomskie]

Screw your dissatisfaction, you're still gonna buy the damn toy and watch the damn movie after 9 months anyway.

Lovingly yours,
Hasbro and Paramount.

[Troynos]

Screw your dissatisfaction, you're still gonna buy the damn toy and watch the damn movie after 9 months anyway.


There is so much truth in this statement.

[Galaxus]

I understand that this isn't the worst line. But has a decline this steep previously happened?

I think its more a sign of the times, just look at the clone wars figures, very popular toon and toyline and hasbro has cut articulation in that line as well.

[CVdelgado]

this just in... 3 pack snake eyes is pretty awesome too...

[SidDarth]

As a collector of modern GI Joe, I will not add these to my collection. I don't like them but lack of a file card does not even matter.

Two things that (as far as I can remember) that should never be a part of a Joe line:

- Items molded into hands.
- 4 points of articulation.

I will not touch those cycles until they reach 70% clearance at Target or hit Ross, TJ Maxx or Marshalls.

I know the line does not survive unless it is supported at retail. However, I cannot continue to support Hasbro's poor effort and corner cutting when it comes to this line.

Either give the line the attention and dedication it deserves or let it rest for a few years.

[Nightrain]

I already have Snake Eyes. I have 12 Snake Eyes.

[KingBiohazerd]

Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

[poddie]

While I agree with all the basic points of the OP, his use of the word "trash" is clearly uncalled for. I'll even add that I HATE the packaging.

However, looking at the other lines out there I must agree that Joe still looks very strong in comparison. Avengers are statues, Dark Knight are even worse. The new Spider-Man toys are just awful (has anyone seen that Doc Ock headsculpt? Yeesh).

Hasbro has cut paint apps and articulation to the bone across the board. I'm actually surprised Joe made it through as well as it did... someone at Hasbro clearly does love it.

Now that doesn't mean I forgive them for the many deficiencies of the Retaliation line... but it does add perspective. Hopefully, once the economy improves and gas prices go down, we can get back all the things we lost. If not, I'm going ot have to give up my complete collector mentality and only buy the Joe Trooper, W2 Snake Eyes, and W2 Roadblock type figures. But I'm going ot hang in there a bit longer and see if things get better.

[CVdelgado]

I already have Snake Eyes. I have 12 Snake Eyes.

o-ring
v1
v2

modern era
25th v1
25th v2
ninja apprentice from comic
arctic (green with weasal necklace)
hoh v1
hoh v2
poc wave 3
retaliation 3 pack

well this is number 10 for me... i think... 2 vintage and this is only the 6th modern era mold of him i have.

he is snake eyes.

[CVdelgado]

gi joe trooper with tan coat gets my approval as well. i got 4 to open.

ill try to limit joe army builders to 4 except steel brigade, couldnt help those were too awesome. i only got 4 skydives. that was an awesome mold.

[speedocub]

Yes we know. Thank you for the new thread.

SpeedoCub Likes this.





C'Mon Hisstank, give us a like button!

[Medcom77]

so far, i rather like the line. my only complaints are the cheap/flimsy feel of the plastic, the vehicle drivers articulation and the lack of quality control. the 3-packs seem to be the best value of the whole line, compared to the price. 2 single carded figures equals 1 3-pack assortment, way better deal, plus a lot of accessories to boot.

[KingBiohazerd]

Bahhhhhh Bahhhhhh Bahhhhhh!

[fireflyguy]

gi joe trooper with tan coat gets my approval as well. i got 4 to open.

ill try to limit joe army builders to 4 except steel brigade, couldnt help those were too awesome. i only got 4 skydives. that was an awesome mold.

My squads are usually either 3 or 5. I was able to get 5 of the Joe trooper.

As far as Snake Eyes goes, he's my favorite Joe character and even I'm passing on all of the Retaliation SE's. I've simply got enough. Matter of fact, I've got the 4x4 SE for trade if anyone's interested.

[fireflyguy]

I will not touch those cycles until they reach 70% clearance at Target or hit Ross, TJ Maxx or Marshalls.

TBH, I'm not sure I'll even get them then. They just do absolutely nothing for me. Even if they were $1, I could find a better way to spend that dollar.

Screw your dissatisfaction, you're still gonna buy the damn toy and watch the damn movie after 9 months anyway.

Lovingly yours,
Hasbro and Paramount.

You had me at hello.

Phew

For a second there I thought we were going to go an hour without a "Retaliation toys suck" thread....

Way to make the save OP.

Should we start a master list of people who are willing to start a new thread on this topic so there's always one going?

[grunt0341]

I love the string! Not the thingy that comes with it...just the string!!! And that Duke figure just hopped off the peg with Arctic Destro to keep each other company...

[Barefoot Jedi]

This line is garbage!!!! Very little Articulation, little to no acessories , no stand, no file cards seriously no file cards come on hasbro. This toy line is not worth the $ 9.99 price tag at best $3.00......

As my dad used to say, on the way out don't let the door hit'cha where the Good Lord split'cha.

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[DrKain]

Thought you weren't buying any until you saw the movie????

It's Cobra Commander, and the inner CC fan in me keeps wanting me to buy him. However, we'll see what happens tomorrow, I might pass anyway, because yes, I want to see the movie before I buy a single figure.

Well, the only reason I would buy the red ninjas are because they were prominent in the original comics.

[MeLikeJinx]

ROC was worst IMO. For ROC all I have is Paris Pursuit SE, Rescue Mission SE, City Strike SE & Helix... the rest of the ROC figs I bought were just for their accessories and parts. At least Retaliation has cool Red Ninjas and awesome stuff in the later waves.

[whitefox360]

I think its more a sign of the times, just look at the clone wars figures, very popular toon and toyline and hasbro has cut articulation in that line as well.

I agree with this. Not so much just starwars and hasbro stuff, but action figures in general have taken huge steps backwards. I was excited as all hell with the dark knight 1:18 offerings and looked forward to the rises updates...and theyre not updates. At all. But theyre 3 times as expensive.

It seems here lately companies just go through the motions with the bare essentials because they HAVE to put SOMETHING out and it still comes out to cost about twice what it should.

It makes sense i guess, with gas being what it is and half the country being unemployed. Even the jobs that people have been getting have been low paying...i understand family priorities, i just really hope we're not seeing the demise of the toystore AND the action figure through all this, too.

Infact, while im hoping...Heres to hoping that one day soon things will be back to normal.

[Slim]

Three things I can't forgive:

1) The soft plastic. It creates a lot of issues with posing the figures and some can't stand at all. Lots of figures have issues holding weapons.

2) No stands. Unless it's the most basic of poses and even it takes a bit of patience to get them standing up. Turn your Ceiling fans off or they'll fall down.

3)Articulation. Ruins what could have been some great characters. It really detracts from some great designs and gives the characters a very cheap feel.


To critique the figures I have;

Cobra commander- Great design. I like it so much I could over look the single joint knee if he had ankle articulation for poses with the big oversize snake head staff. I do like the the staff but I don't care for the missle, a attachable flame burst would have been better.

Zartan- Another figure killed by a lack of a double jointed knee or ankle articulation. Zartan needed more articulation and paint application, which the toy fair pics seem to show. The legs in the pics seemed to be covered in a grey matallic sheen coat of paint. Very little of his legs are painted and what is painted seems dull compared to the pics. His web gear is limited to his upper torso and attaches to his hood. It's not bad but I could have done without the slit at the top to allow light in ruins it, I could overlook it but the non-removable knife on his chest kills it.

Would have been really nice if the knife was removable or if the hood was detachable or if they had clear plasic at the back of the hood that lined up with the light piping area on the heads. They ruined this guy, I like the style they had going as it seemed more Assualt infiltration then stealth. If not for the three heads (try my hand at customs) I would return this figure to the store.

Cobra trooper- I like the design and figure despite the lack of weapons, it feels like troopers should have more weapons. Anyway, I actually wanted the parachutes they are nice and can be used with any figure. The simple design makes sense for a paratrooper so other then articulation the design is perfect to me. I have 2 and passed on a third but had they included the same levels of articulation or better I would have bought around eight to twelve of them for my Cobra paratroop Squad.

Joe Trooper- The only single card that comes with enough accessories and articulation to resemble the past offerings. This guy comes across as a extreme weather trooper, I like him. Will get more of this guy.

Red Ninja- I haven't opened it yet he looks just like the three pack one with a slightly different color scheme. While I don't mind the zipline(the string itself is useful) I'd rather have all of the accessories that came with Renegades storm shadow. The three pack red ninja is superior to me because of the extra accessories.

All figures have different type of articulation for the waist\torso area and while not an improvement it's not a significant step back.

This line is a very bad line. Some of it it is covered up by the well designed interpretation of the characters. A couple of gems can't save this line, especially since they seem to ship a larger quantity of figures that aren't in demand. (..Duke, SE, SS) vs the ones you'd want (red ninja, jinx, blind master, joe trooper,etc..)

If not for the sale in my area I doubt I would have gotten in on this line. This was a pure money grab by hasbro that I feel was influenced by the Marvel universe line.

[nerdsgetchicks]

Better than VVV AV.

I really liked the VvV series.

[Slim]

Ahem, Dollar General figures: Very little accessories, no file cards, generic stands, priced at $6. Yet these are golden and retaliation is crap.

I can understand being upset at the price and lack of articulation, but let's try to leave the filler (Lack of accessories/file cards) out of the arguement.

I don't consider accessories(stands and weapons) as filler.

[DarkHorse]

If anyone got the figures and doesn't like them, I'll trade them. Check my BST.

[Scarlett-Jinx]

so are people from brooklyn



lol!

[Heatstroke]

They not all bad, I did buy four of the G.I. Joe trooper two blue collar and two brown/tan collar. I was upset with the way duke and the cobra trooper looked. I was hoping more for them and I got feeling that i will feel the same way about flint, but I will end buying four or five flint just for the heads for customs. I like said not all of them are that bad

[Mermaniel]

I hate the rubber knees. totally sucks...

[captainamerica]

I can understand being upset at the price and lack of articulation, but let's try to leave the filler (Lack of accessories/file cards) out of the arguement.

Accessories only become filler when it's waaaaay more gear than the figure/character can use. i.e.: my POC Steel Brigade would have been A-OK with just one gun and bp; the SAW gun, 2nd rifle, rocket launcher and rocket pack were all unneccessary. I am glad I got options, but I didn't buy the figure to have extra gear(to lose).

Actually, I am disappointed with almost all the toy lines across the board. The only two lines that have maintained quality seems to be the Star Wars line and Lego.


Scratch Lego off that list. In the past decade they have moved towards (cheaper) stickers and away from uniquely printed bricks. Also most of the production has relocated to China and switched to a lesser quality plastic. I am a lifelong Lego nut and I don't buy nearly as much as I used to.

As my dad used to say, on the way out don't let the door hit'cha where the Good Lord split'cha.

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yeah, you'll cry yourself to sleep on a pile of unarticulated vehicle drivers after dealing with Mattel and their acolytes for a bit. Mattel makes Hasbro seem like a horny girlfriend (eager to please).

[GI C]

Well,you can't please everyone.

[dpstro]

Yes I believe the line is crap as well; however the lack of file cards and accessories don't bother me as much as the lack a stand and articulation. I have plenty of spare weapons. They just need to make all of there hands the same or similar so they all can hold them. No more of that closed fist mess that 25th had.

[dpstro]

I can't wait until people start doing customs.

[ChaplainAsst]

About the knees ... I believe while saving money they were also trying to prevent the figures from easily toppling over, which the more articulated figures have a tendency to doing. My movie Roadblock stands up much better than my Red Ninja, both without bases. Having to have a base to stand up was always a cop-out on figure design anyway.

The funny thing is that there are so many different opinions on what is in demand and what isn't. The SS and SE figures are quickly changing opinions in the Joe community. Duke isn't great, but a good based for a custom. Roadblock has one of the best large body torsos and arms of any figure - I've already used it for a Slaughter and Gung Ho figure. CC has never needed tons of articulation - and when received it makes him look skinnier than need be. I don't like the Zartan figure because it is all about the gimmick. The Joe trooper is very nice because of all the configurations. It is, in my opinion, a step up from the Pit Commando. I only wish the head was a little more generic - the Mohawk is cool but if two figures have it, it is clear that they are the same guy.

[Shogi]

I don't consider accessories(stands and weapons) as filler.

Accessories only become filler when it's waaaaay more gear than the figure/character can use. i.e.: my POC Steel Brigade would have been A-OK with just one gun and bp; the SAW gun, 2nd rifle, rocket launcher and rocket pack were all unneccessary. I am glad I got options, but I didn't buy the figure to have extra gear(to lose).


I didn't mean the weapons themselves are filler, I mean complaining about lack of weapons was a filler complaint when people don't seem to have a problem with lack of weapons in the Dollar General figures.

My point is the Op could have just left it at Price raise & Lack of articulation is crap but instead he decided to try to throw a lot of complaints out there to make the hatred more justified.

[DarkHorse]

For all the folk pissing and whining, I haven't had any offers from any of them to trade the figures they hate so much.

Just sayin'

[Dreadnok Rocksteady]

For all the folk pissing and whining, I haven't had any offers from any of them to trade the figures they hate so much.

Just sayin'

HAHAHA! So true, dude! For all the hate on Pop Tart Roadlock, last I checked, he was backordered on BBTS! There are some wonky figures in this first wave, but I'm gonna army build Red Ninja like hot cakes! Hot cakes fulla shuriken!

[punchitchewy80]

I really like the 3pk red ninja i got 1 from ebay loose and he has 2 left feet?? so no dancing for him. got a rock too not so happy with captain stiff legs.

[Dreadnok Rocksteady]

I really like the 3pk red ninja i got 1 from ebay loose and he has 2 left feet?? so no dancing for him. got a rock too not so happy with captain stiff legs.

Oh man, harsh on the two left feet! I always got the feeling from Ninja Turtles 2 and the Pyramids of Darkness that Ninja were bad ass dancers! But then, based on P.O.D ninja also like to dress up as Boy George.

[MonkeyBoyZ]

Red ninjas and Joe troopers are great! Pass me some of whatever you're smoking.

The red ninjas and GI Joe troopers are great. The Cobra Trooper doesn't look so bad in person but it is still not for me. I wonder how much things will change in 9 months. Like if the packaging or some of the offerings will change due to the Movie date. I had read that this first wave had to be created because the movie accurate stuff wasn't really available yet due to the movie being pushed to an earlier date. So who knows, maybe this wave 1 will end up being a preview wave and then wave "2" will be the first movie wave.

[cobracobra]

The red ninjas and GI Joe troopers are great. The Cobra Trooper doesn't look so bad in person but it is still not for me. I wonder how much things will change in 9 months. Like if the packaging or some of the offerings will change due to the Movie date. I had read that this first wave had to be created because the movie accurate stuff wasn't really available yet due to the movie being pushed to an earlier date. So who knows, maybe this wave 1 will end up being a preview wave and then wave "2" will be the first movie wave.

Feel the same way. I am kinda hoping for 2 reasons. 1 its never been done before to release something and then to shelf it remake it and rerelease it. 2nd reason as much as I am trying to get behind the Retaliation figures they are not as cool as what we have been given and thats a bottom line. There great for what they are but compared to other Joe product from the pas 7 years. Eh... Even Red Ninja and Joe Trooper are pretty bland and predicted.

[MJjoe4life]

As if we did not have enough thread on this topic.

this^^^

[DaveViper]

OP has a right to post responsibly. I wish the mods would combine all the threads on this subject.

[Manok]

As a fan I have the right to voice my opinion. I will not hold back because I don't want to hurt hasbro's feelings like some people. How does a company release a figure like lifeline and shadow tracker then release the worse duke and roadblock ever.

well said. Vote with you dollar if you don't like the movie toys. I saw some the other day in walmart and was shocked at how awful they were. I'm spending money on ebay buying up the POC and 30th figures that never made it to my zipcode.

[MJjoe4life]

Yeah i forgot about GIJoe Extreme! Yup Horrible!

Yes def the worst gijoe line.

[CVdelgado]

that single carded storm shadow is pretty hawt. not much gear, but he has nice articulation and looks sweet.

[GI Guppy the third]

Still the best there is on the pegs right now.

[CVdelgado]

is that 3 pack snake eyes using the mold from an older version i didnt pick up?

i like it. i took off his vest though. that didnt feel right to me.

[DaveViper]

Still the best there is on the pegs right now.

You know your right. It's so nice to have something to go look at and actually have the option to buy or not. Thank you Hasbro for puting something out for us (kids) whoever.

I got a Cobra Trooper and a Red Ninja so far.

I think everyone one of my Cobra soliders has had a turn in the chute :)

[Kavan]

Certainly a big drop from some of the last lines, but I did pick up the Commander just for the heck of it. After finding out he didn't have ankle joints, I just head swapped it with the POC Commander.

IMO they could have spent a little more time painting some of them.

But then again, as it was said earlier, these are better than whats out there right now.

[Jmacq1]

Not even close to the worst Joes ever. I can think of dozens of "Nu-Sculpt" era figures that were FAR worse.

Of what's already been released, the only figure I'd call flat-out "bad" is Roadblock due to a combination of lesser articulation and permanently occupied hand. But there's a replacement for him in Wave 2 (whenever it may appear) or in one of the 3-packs (where he's a great homage to Schwarzenegger's "Commando"). I might also toss Duke in there just because he's so bland.

Cobra Commander, Zartan, and the Cobra Trooper are all "OK to Good." Yes, they have a little less articulation, but The Commander and Troopers are still fairly solid once you get them out of the package, and Zartan has some fun little gimmicks to make him cooler than he might at first appear. Plus I find the Cobra Troopers make great vehicle crewmen (particularly for the new HISS).

Storm Shadow and Snake-Eyes are "good" but they're Storm Shadow and Snake-Eyes. Storm Shadow gets more of a nod here just because they manage to make him different enough to be interesting (or even a new character if you wanted to go that route). Snake-Eyes I'd skip and just get the 3-pack version (and the superior/movie-accurate Wave 2 version).

The G.I. Joe Trooper and Red Ninja are "great." With the Trooper taking the nod just by sheer volume of accessories. LOVE the Joe Trooper. Best "Good guy troop builder" ever. Also to my mind a nice little "joke" by Hasbro: "Hey, you know all those First-Person Shooter protagonists you've played over the years? Yeah? Well G.I. Joe is so badass that they'd just be "average troopers" compared to the "named" Joes."

[mightyjl]

Thanks for the compliment..

'Trash' would be a compliment towards someone from Brooklyn

[Tucker]

Is there a "GI Joe: Retaliation Line is CRUCIAL" thread yet?

[Psycho Joe Guy]

No, they're not as good as what we've had from POC and 30th, BUT compare them to the Mattel Batman trash, the Hasbro Avengers, Marvel Universe and Amazing Spidey toys and they are gold. Hasbro seems determined to kill off its 4" action figure lines and Retaliation is their best current offering in that size. Even among the large Legends, most of them are barely as detailed or articulated as Joe. I personally don't care for most of the new Joe toys but there is a distinct possibility that this is the beginning of the end for it at mass retail.

I'm not saying it's anyone's "duty" to buy them, but I definitely became more interested when they were recalled. FWIW, I really like the new Storm Shadow and he' s a twofer. I drew the line at the Dildo Mocassin and Yawn Ninja Grappling Dune Buggy, but after seeing it in person, the line IS better than I expected. The three packs kick ass.

[youdoitimbusy]

Screw your dissatisfaction, you're still gonna buy the damn toy and watch the damn movie after 9 months anyway.

Lovingly yours,
Hasbro and Paramount.

This is the sad truth. As adicts, I mean collectors, what can we do? They might be stomping all over our dope, but they are the only dealer in town. Damn you copyright and trademark laws, damn you!

[jiffy18]

I'll have to disagree, the recent Marvel Universe figures are better than the Retaliation line. But I would have still bought some choice figures and yeah, I also got more inclined in buying them when they were recalled. Although I'll still buy some figures and vehicles when they come out next year, I definitely won't be buying as much as the POC and 30th figures that I bought. Avengers figures aren't that bad either and 4" Mattel figures are damn ugly. :)

[youdoitimbusy]

You said dildo mocassin. I applaud you sir, I applaud you.

[Brcall]

Also most of the production has relocated to China and switched to a lesser quality plastic. I am a lifelong Lego nut and I don't buy nearly as much as I used to.



That's not true. Only the packaging and the collectable minifigures are made in China. Also, the plastic, acrylonitrile butadiene styrene, is the same (although the recipe has changed a little since 1963). What Lego has done though is put fewer pieces in their sets. If I'm not mistaken the "big" sets have about 100 to 200 fewers pieces now, and they use a lot more specialty pieces. At least that's what my cousin who works for Lego tells me.

[Griff]

If by crucial you mean cheaply made and pathetic marketing then yes...i agree.

[Gung.Heaux]

overall, for me, its the prices of retaliation moreso than the product itself. vehicle prices arent THAT bad, but the carded figures, which is 90% of my joe collecting, are too much for what they offer.

already picked up the two 3pks, zartan, red ninja, cobra commander, and storm shadow. unless we make it to wv2 for snake eys and firefly and vehicle wv2 for the VAMP...ive gotten everything i think im getting for retaliation.
( im not even kidding myself into thinking we'll get to jinx and the black ninja.....but, who knows. if we do though, there's two more. )

[M_renegade]

No, they're not as good as what we've had from POC and 30th, BUT compare them to the Mattel Batman trash, the Hasbro Avengers, Marvel Universe and Amazing Spidey toys and they are gold.

Sadly, this is true.
What happened with movie toys this year anyways?
The Avengers is a good movie,but the figures suck. Amazing Spiderman looks like a shitty movie, and toys are awful.
Just saw the Batman stuff, i can't believe they're worse than Retaliation drivers.

http://www.mwctoys.com/images/review_dkrises1_3.jpg

[ChaplainAsst]

MU hasn't released any new figures since the movies. There is word that they will likely be released later in the summer. They are trying not to mix the lines too much. Based on what we have seen, the reduced articulation is only for the movie figures, not the general lines. Most MU collectors often combine the movie figures as part of MU toys so they are feeling the disappointment of the Avengers figures. (Not so much with Spider-Man as everything to date has a superior MU/Showdown/Spider-Man line version.)

[Tucker]

Is there a "GI Joe: Retaliation Line is CRUCIAL" thread yet?

Thank you, Psycho Joe Guy.

[speedlgt]

I say BS. have you seen the GL line? DC infinate heroes? the new batman line? any of the spiderman lines?
This line is just a slightly lower standard than the GI JOE line we have been use to. and lets be honest the 30th was the highest line of action figures ever made! better than starwars marvel legends & universe and any wwe product. there is no way a line is gonna keep that momentum this line is just fine its below the highest standard but hey thats ok. the new avengers line is CRAP! compared to the joe line.

[DrKain]

Amazing Spider-Man does not look like a shitty movie because it seems like they finally got Spider-Man right. Tobey forgot Spider-Man was supposed to be a wise cracking smartass in his movies and went with a more serious route.

Anyway, if these figures were crucial, Hasbro would have put more care into them.

[musashi3000gt]

Hasbro seemed determined to kill Joe off back in the early 90's when they gave them all neon weapons, Threw a bunch of pink and kiwi green on the vehicles and then added the words "Street Fighter" to America's special forces group.

They seemed pretty determined to kill them off when they cancelled the cartoon and comic book series all together.

They seemed pretty determined when some retard's idea of GI Joe was a 5-point articulated figure called GI Joe Extreme.

Hasbro has had some seriously massive dumb ideas over the years. They've put some incredible morons in charge before and they will do it again. But there is always someone who says "hey....why dont we make these Joe toys cools again!" from time to time. They've had the good sense of approving the 25th anniv. line and then re-tool or re-hash a bunch of cool vintage vehicles we all thought we never see again.
They've employed genius sculpters and designers who gave us the POC and 30th anniv. series.

Hasbro is an rollercoaster of good and bad and I dont know if they plan on getting away from 4 inch figures altogether but that just sounds like another moronic idea they will have to come back to eventually.

[speedlgt]

marvel universe is very good! BUT BUT BUT joe is better in that marvel universe has almost ZERO acessories! why does not ironman come with a swap tony stark head???? the new joe tropper does!!!

why didnt cap have a swap head?
why doesnt hawkeye have arrows? meaning more than one!
why doesnt thor have a cloth cape!
joes give more product bottom line even the movie figs do

[GI C]

Compared to the cobra commander from ROC,the retaliation version looks way better.

[Gung.Heaux]

Amazing Spider-Man does not look like a shitty movie because it seems like they finally got Spider-Man right. Tobey forgot Spider-Man was supposed to be a wise cracking smartass in his movies and went with a more serious route.

Anyway, if these figures were crucial, Hasbro would have put more care into them.

i had no clue that tobey wrote his own lines and directed himself.

[TheLongestDay]

Sadly, this is true.
What happened with movie toys this year anyways?
The Avengers is a good movie,but the figures suck. Amazing Spiderman looks like a shitty movie, and toys are awful.
Just saw the Batman stuff, i can't believe they're worse than Retaliation drivers.

http://www.mwctoys.com/images/review_dkrises1_3.jpg

YIKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was considering picking up a few of these aswell........

[triant]

What musashi3000gt said!! lol!!

[M_renegade]

Amazing Spider-Man does not look like a shitty movie because it seems like they finally got Spider-Man right. Tobey forgot Spider-Man was supposed to be a wise cracking smartass in his movies and went with a more serious route.

True, AS looks worse.

http://www.comicscavern.com/storage/spiderman-flanders%20stupid%20sexy%20spidey.jpg?__SQUARESPAC E_CACHEVERSION=1297898516071

and toys are better

http://www.spidermancrawlspace.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/lizard-car-amazing-spider-man.jpg

"Tobey" had nothing to do with lines, he just did what was told. And he was a wise cracking smartass.

[Griff]

http://www.spidermancrawlspace.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/lizard-car-amazing-spider-man.jpg
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When the hell did sleestacks get a toy? and is it just me or does he look a little creepy happy on that lizard bike-thing?