2012 Joe Con brochure is NOW up

[Lody]

http://www.gijoecon.com/no2012/2012brochure.pdf

Registration is slated for next week

There WILL be a Retaliation preview!

[Lody]

The Oktober Guard team includes: Colonel Brekhov, Daina,
Stormavik, Schrage, Horror Show and the recently revealed new
member, General Iron Bear.
The Iron Grenadier team includes: Iron Grenadier Guards x 2,
Iron Grenadier Specialists x 2, Iron Grenadier Troopers x 4 and
the menacing General Voltar.

[Lody]

The return of the dreaded Golden Ticket!

[sirt8669]

The return of the dreaded Golden Ticket!

Are you getting the Golden Ticket?

[Gyre-Viper]

HAHAHA I have a cameo in the brochure... just barely... but I'm there. HAHAHA



http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo213/garygoggles/fjfjpicsay.jpg

[Steevy Maximus]

HAHAHA I have a cameo in the brochure... just barely... but I'm there. HAHAHA

Pfft, that could be ANYONE's arm and nose :p

[chuckles32]

Wow, they are really sticking it to us this year. $345 for the box set, $210 for a bagged set, $300 for a golden ticket (only 75 of them) and a limit of three of each item with it?

I hate to imagine how much the increases on the other exclusives will be, should have budgeted for more, and then the FSS will start when, at the con or right after? They really do think joe fans are made of cash!

That being said, see you in New Orleans!

[Davestro]

http://www.gijoecon.com/no2012/2012brochure.pdf

Registration is slated for next week

There WILL be a Retaliation preview!

Where dos it say reg starts next week? I missed that on the brochure...

[kneroh]

Wow, they are really sticking it to us this year. $345 for the box set, $210 for a bagged set, $300 for a golden ticket (only 75 of them) and a limit of three of each item with it?

I hate to imagine how much the increases on the other exclusives will be, should have budgeted for more, and then the FSS will start when, at the con or right after? They really do think joe fans are made of cash!

That being said, see you in New Orleans!

HAHA! It's was $305 last year. Considering figures have gone up $2-$3 a piece at retail, and extra $10 for the club's 15 seems like a bargain. I was fully expecting a $400 price tag this year. I was over the moon that it was only $315.

[chuckles32]

Uh, thats $315 for the 12" set, $345 for the Oktober Guard set, so increase of $30.....and only the low low price of $29 to see the Retaliation move, pay for the bus to get you there, and a "free" movie poster. I suppose not so bad.

Should call it Operation Money Trap....LOL.

[kneroh]

Uh, thats $315 for the 12" set, $345 for the Oktober Guard set, so increase of $30.....and only the low low price of $29 to see the Retaliation move, pay for the bus to get you there, and a "free" movie poster. I suppose not so bad.

Should call it Operation Money Trap....LOL.

My bad on that, but even still.

[the odinson]

HAHAHA I have a cameo in the brochure... just barely... but I'm there. HAHAHA



http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo213/garygoggles/fjfjpicsay.jpg

that is obviously a fake, custom gary arm. no way that's factory.

[Gyre-Viper]

Pfft, that could be ANYONE's arm and nose :p


You can see the tip of my goggles, my chapped hands, oh and I remember that pic being taken. heheheh.

[kneroh]

You can see the tip of my goggles, my chapped hands, oh and I remember that pic being taken. heheheh.

Looks photoshopped like those fake ass dollar store figures you put pictures of up. Oh... what ever happened to those by the way? Yea. That's what I thought. Troll.

[The Commander]

I'll probably still get a golden ticket but damn with that I'm already over $1k for Con

[drunknmunky]

HAHA! It's was $305 last year. Considering figures have gone up $2-$3 a piece at retail, and extra $10 for the club's 15 seems like a bargain. I was fully expecting a $400 price tag this year. I was over the moon that it was only $315.

There's a lot of reasons the price goes up. Oil making plastic more expensive, simple inflation, giving away a ” free” year of credit protection to users after your site was hacked and thousands of dollars were stolen from members. Stuff like that is bound to make the price increase the 30 bucks per box set.

[sirt8669]

Where dos it say reg starts next week? I missed that on the brochure...

That is in the email, not the brochure.

Registration will be turned on at the first of next week. Please take your time and understand what you are registering for as changes could incur an admin charge. I will send out an email when registration goes live.

[46 Zone]

Ive never bought a con set before. Please let me know if this is right. I can spend $345 for the American Heros package, and ill be getting the Boxed OG/IG set. I cant make it there so will they ship it to me if i ask them to?

[The Commander]

Ive never bought a con set before. Please let me know if this is right. I can spend $345 for the American Heros package, and ill be getting the Boxed OG/IG set. I cant make it there so will they ship it to me if i ask them to?

You want the Homefront Heroes package. You get the set mailed to your home after Con

[46 Zone]

You want the Homefront Heroes package. You get the set mailed to your home after Con

Thanks. I didn't see that package title next to the picture. Just have to wait for registration. Kind of feels like the hours following sdcc when ill have a limited time ordering figs.

[The Commander]

Thanks. I didn't see that package title next to the picture. Just have to wait for registration. Kind of feels like the hours following sdcc when ill have a limited time ordering figs.

Yeah it's listed in the brochure. You register and they will mail your set after con.

[Mapleleaf]

Any idea how long registration usually lasts?

[nova]

Any idea how long registration usually lasts?

Considering how late all this is, it's usually a Month or more... but they ussually have it up like 3-4months before Con... We're at something like 50 days....so I'd expect it to only be up for 1-2 weeks.

[turner]

We are all nuts.

[sirt8669]

I don't see it being worth it to get the Golden Ticket, $300 more and not enough to compensate that overage. If they gave another box set, sure but to be able to buy another box set, nah. I will just get what I can with the AH ticket like last year.

[Mapleleaf]

Considering how late all this is, it's usually a Month or more... but they ussually have it up like 3-4months before Con... We're at something like 50 days....so I'd expect it to only be up for 1-2 weeks.

Thanks nova.

[Jinx723]

Wow, they are really sticking it to us this year. $345 for the box set, $210 for a bagged set...

I want a box & bag set. Do they charge your card right away or when they ship them out. Once again, I can't make it to JoeCon and I'll be doing the Homefront Package for the first time.

[ozzie92]

There's a lot of reasons the price goes up. Oil making plastic more expensive, simple inflation, giving away a ” free” year of credit protection to users after your site was hacked and thousands of dollars were stolen from members. Stuff like that is bound to make the price increase the 30 bucks per box set.

Certainly "priceless." Well, it sounded like a Mastercard commercial, anyway. ;)

[DarkHorse]

$65 for the customising class. Bargain!


Not.

[THE RED SHADOWS]

I want that General Iron Bear. anyone doesnt want theirs please PM me !

[kneroh]

$65 for the customising class. Bargain!


Not.

Perhaps if you actually took the class, saw how much was stuff was provided and got to work with Hasbro's head designer you might think otherwise.

[hahoo3]

"Early shopping at the club store for exclusives before the
regularly posted shopping times AND triple the regular limit on
exclusive convention souvenirs."

So the golden ticket allows triple the regular limit. Does anyone know what the limit is on the exclusives?

[Gyre-Viper]

$65 for the customising class. Bargain!



Not.

Um... Thatz insanely fair. I'm going to guess you've never been.
I'm going to guess you have no idea what they could charge for
something like this and don't. Go find a professional toy designer or sculptor
and ask them how much they would charge for a private lesson.

[Dragasses]

Pfft, that could be ANYONE's arm and nose :p
and ego...

naw budt, we're friends.


Um... Thatz insanely fair. I'm going to guess you've never been.
I'm going to guess you have no idea what they could charge for
something like this and don't. Go find a professional toy designer or sculptor
and ask them how much they would charge for a private lesson.
how do I put cash directly into my dumb computer?


dumbed computered.

[Lody]

Ohhhhh burn!

[G.I.Spawn]

The customizing class is def worth it

[Dragasses]

Looks photoshopped like those fake ass dollar store figures you put pictures of up. Oh... what ever happened to those by the way? Yea. That's what I thought. Troll.
he's on to you, pal.

[kennywr22]

Never did the customizing class but was thinking of trying. You need to bring anything or is it provided?

[G.I.Spawn]

I didn't see anything in brochure on a parachute drop. Did I miss it, or do you think they did away with it?

[kneroh]

Never did the customizing class but was thinking of trying. You need to bring anything or is it provided?

Nope, they have tons of parts from just about every figure from the 25th - to the most recent wave. They provide all the paints, brushes, tools etc. All you have to do is show up.

[G.I.Spawn]

Never did the customizing class but was thinking of trying. You need to bring anything or is it provided?

Everything is provided, the only downfall was lack of paint color selection. But that's nothing. It's worth it

[mikeTime]

Well I'm not made of money this year so I will only be able to get the Box set. Just the flight for 2 alone doubles the amount of money I would spend at the collector club store. We arn't made of money and $3000 is what I would expect to spend on everything if I did go. The last 2 Cons were fun but I'm not going broke for G.I. Joe.

[Hellion42]

I didn't see any mention of free shipping for Homefront Hero if you register before X date this year... so a boxed and bagged set is going to run about $575(?) after shipping. Last year's total was $485. Ouch. http://s70.photobucket.com/albums/i116/hellion42/smilies/doh.gif

Since I can't attend, I'd appreciate any help getting the attendee exclusives if someone would be so kind. http://s70.photobucket.com/albums/i116/hellion42/smilies/thumbsup.gif

[Dragasses]

good lord, that sounds, without being overly crass, wet dreamish. ok, it was a little crass. I wish....

[kennywr22]

Thanks g.i spawn. Think I'll give it a try.

[netowolf]

600 sets... i bet there is more fans than sets made. GREEEEEDY

[bluesparrow]

At least they increased the number of sets. Last year was 500.

[Letal]

Ive never bought a con set before. Please let me know if this is right. I can spend $345 for the American Heros package, and ill be getting the Boxed OG/IG set. I cant make it there so will they ship it to me if i ask them to?

345,00 ... Plus shipping .. If I'm remembering it right.

[gyrapados]

So a question. I cant go to the con and will be doing the Homefront Heroes package. When I purchase it, can I also purchase a bagged convention set at the same time? Or does it work differently than that?

[jmlawn]

all I've seen on this site the last couple of months from Hasbro is a big FUCK YOU to regular long time collectors! Thanks HASBLOW!

[bluesparrow]

So a question. I cant go to the con and will be doing the Homefront Heroes package. When I purchase it, can I also purchase a bagged convention set at the same time? Or does it work differently than that?

Yeah you can buy them both at the same time. It's what I did last year.

[ecmagee1984]

how much is a ticket for one day?

[felyxz]

here is the info for general admission from International G.I. Joe Collectors' Convention - GIJoeCon 2012! (http://www.gijoecon.com/no2012/con12genadm.cfm)

General admission tickets are available on both
Saturday (June 30th) and Sunday (July 1st)
at the Hilton New Orleans Riverside Hotel.

Costs: $15 adults; Children $10 (4 & under are free).

Hours: Saturday, 10 am - 5 pm;
Sunday, 9:30 am - 3:30 pm.
Early Bird admittance is available on Saturday
beginning at 9:00 am. Cost is $50.

Parking is available at Riverside Parking or
any Riverside area public lot.

[Fast_Draw]

Yesterday they sent an email that said "UPDATED" brochure after the previous email about it. I can't figure out what, if anything, was updated. Anyone else?

[kennywr22]

Yeah I got that e mail as well and can't figure out what's different from the previous e mail.

[Playful]

Yesterday they sent an email that said "UPDATED" brochure after the previous email about it. I can't figure out what, if anything, was updated. Anyone else?

I can't figure out what they did to the brochure, other than perhaps screw it up. Now the information on Page 2 doesn't seem to carry over onto page 3 anymore.

Maybe some sort of cut and paste error.

There are now only seven packages on page 2/3 under the "Eight convention packages available" article, and two of those seem to be named the same thing. Page 2 now has the "Homefront Hero’s Package" and Page 3 has the "Homefront Hero Package", which seem to be the same thing.

I would imagine that version 3 of the brochure will be released soon.

[Lody]

all I've seen on this site the last couple of months from Hasbro is a big FUCK YOU to regular long time collectors! Thanks HASBLOW!

That's constructive

Calm down

[gyrapados]

Yeah you can buy them both at the same time. It's what I did last year.

Thanks for letting me know. That was what I was hoping to be able to do.

[RolandofGilead]

I'm sure this is obvious, and a stupid question, but the cost for the Homefront Heroes set does not include shipping or taxes right?

[toy-nutz]

I'm sure this is obvious, and a stupid question, but the cost for the Homefront Heroes set does not include shipping or taxes right?

They will not charge shipping if you order it before their deadline. The taxes, I belive, are added on at time of ordering. So if you do want a set pre-order and save on shipping.

Michael

[Letal]

They will not charge shipping if you order it before their deadline. The taxes, I belive, are added on at time of ordering. So if you do want a set pre-order and save on shipping.

Michael

Where did you get that? Last year was this way, but they're not mentioning it in the brochure this year, so I am assuming for now that they will charge for shipping....

[InspectorZartan]

Where do you see the price for the extra bagged set of figures? Also, if you're not attending do they take out the funds right away or when they ship your package? This hits around the same time as going to SDCC so I am trying to plan and budget accordingly.

[Zarana]

General Iron Bear seems to have been named by putting a list of Russian stereotypes into a bag and drawing them out at random.

he could have just as easily been Commissar Vodka Winter. (ten zarana buck to the first person to make a Commissar Vodka Winter custom).

[Fast_Draw]

Perhaps Iron Bear is meant to be Big Bear, but due to copyright/trademark they couldn't do it.

[Zarana]

Perhaps Iron Bear is meant to be Big Bear, but due to copyright/trademark they couldn't do it.

They said he new.

[Fast_Draw]

New name may mean new character to them. We'll see him this week I suppose.

[toy-nutz]

Where did you get that? Last year was this way, but they're not mentioning it in the brochure this year, so I am assuming for now that they will charge for shipping....

This has been their practice since the San Antonio Con in '98. I don't think they have changed it. It will usally be listed on the registration form and not the brochure.

Michael

[Letal]

This has been their practice since the San Antonio Con in '98. I don't think they have changed it. It will usally be listed on the registration form and not the brochure.

Michael

Tks Michael... I hope you are right.. if they change this it can be a deal breaker for me.

[RolandofGilead]

So if you're ordering a set for non attendees (Homefront Hero) you pay the day you order, right? I guess you add taxes, and may have it pay shipping. Just trying to figure out how much I need.

[turner]

No Larry Hama? It's not a joe convention to me without him there.

[ShockVal]

$65 for the customising class. Bargain!


Not.

Perhaps if you actually took the class, saw how much was stuff was provided and got to work with Hasbro's head designer you might think otherwise.

I was in it last year. Well worth the dollars. Not only did we get the Hasbro guys take on things, but there were some quite talented customizers in the class that were a wealth of knowledge. I highly recommend the class. Everything was provided by the way.

[X-factorz]

Anybody know what time registration has opened in the past? I imagine it won't be eastern standard time since the club is based in Texas but I don't want to miss it if it's really early.

[Hellion42]

Where do you see the price for the extra bagged set of figures? Also, if you're not attending do they take out the funds right away or when they ship your package? This hits around the same time as going to SDCC so I am trying to plan and budget accordingly.

I second this question if anyone happens to know the answer.

[Starfighter]

The bagged set is in the brochure. It states that the extra bagged set will be $210 for those that purchased a boxed set.

[Starfighter]

Also, the bagged set info is on page 3 of the brochure under "Additional Package Details". It is listed on the 4th bullet point. $210 for those that purchase the "American Heroes" or the "Homefront Heroes" packages. There are only 325 of those sets made. In total, there are only 925 Oktober Guard sets produced.

Btw, for those members that only want the bagged set, it is only courteous to pay a little extra as the person buying it for you had to pay the $46 membership fee as well as the $345 for the boxed set to get that to you. I know that some may think that those members are scalping if they request that you pay a little more, but they are hardly doing so as they are getting hit with credit card interest, taxes and possible shipping fees. That is what I have done for those the years that I could not make it to Joe Con. They also had to pay more for the boxed set to just sell the bagged set at cost. If you find one member willing to do so, know that you should really thank them for they could easily sell the bagged set for over $300 plus after the con. They are being generous if they sell it to you for costs as that is just money that thy could have had to reduce the costs of their boxed set. I am just putting it out there and telling it like the honest truth that it is. The past 2 modern era 4-inch sets have been the quickest sellouts for the club. The 4-inch modern scale is the "it" thing to have for G.I. Joe until something else comes along (hopefully Marvel Legends/DC Universe Classics styled 6-inch G.I. Joe in the A.R.A.H. style. -Just a pipe dream for now...).

[Nirvana]

The past 2 modern era 4-inch sets have been the quickest sellouts for the club.

Swing and a miss. Python was a quick sellout, Crimson Guard was around for a very long while.

[Starfighter]

Swing and a miss. Python was a quick sellout, Crimson Guard was around for a very long while.

Was it? I know that convention attendee exclusives sold out real quick before e show was over. I had assumed that the Boxed set sold out too by the time the show was over. I do know that the club had later sold some of e bagged sets later, but I thought they were not sold and used for insurance in case someone had problems.

[Nirvana]

Oh no, pretty sure boxes were still up after the con. Bagged have been up since the con, too. That's where the problem came from when they have Bagged sets leftover and no one able to buy one unless they had bought a Box set first. Now you can buy a Bagged for the price of a Boxed set, but the store is gone. :D

[ShockVal]

Btw, for those members that only want the bagged set, it is only courteous to pay a little extra Blah blah blah I'm a scalper...

It is okay though. No need to justify. If you don't attend then you deserve to pay a premium or get lucky with a friend if you can.

The Golden Ticket shall be interesting this year. Hard to pay off that kind of overhead.

[ShockVal]

Oh no, pretty sure boxes were still up after the con. Bagged have been up since the con, too. That's where the problem came from when they have Bagged sets leftover and no one able to buy one unless they had bought a Box set first. Now you can buy a Bagged for the price of a Boxed set, but the store is gone. :D

I think the problem was box sets sold out but they had Bagged sets left. So you had people who bought the boxed set and not the bagged, who were the only ones who could still buy the bagged sets. I expect to see these bagged sets at the auction this year after the Casino Night or at Bingo.

[Alyosha]

Just a note in this notification thread. I will be picking up sets for non-attending collectors. Details are here:

http://www.hisstank.com/forum/g-i-joe-conventions-get-togethers/232711-helping-out-non-attendees.html

[ShockVal]

Just a note in this notification thread. I will be picking up sets for non-attending collectors. Details are here:

http://www.hisstank.com/forum/g-i-joe-conventions-get-togethers/232711-helping-out-non-attendees.html

Hahahaha!

[Alyosha]

Did I say something funny or ironic?

[Starfighter]

It is okay though. No need to justify. If you don't attend then you deserve to pay a premium or get lucky with a friend if you can.

The Golden Ticket shall be interesting this year. Hard to pay off that kind of overhead.

I am far from a scalper and am selling the set for under cost to help out a friend. I am also selling the I.G.s at cost to ship internationally to Ireland to a fellow tanker whom I do not even know. Are you upset or something?

[GI Joe Eternal]

No Larry Hama? It's not a joe convention to me without him there.

So true. I know he's been to the last two. How many has been to before that (i.e., does he come every year?)?

I hope he shows.

[MJjoe4life]

all I've seen on this site the last couple of months from Hasbro is a big FUCK YOU to regular long time collectors! Thanks HASBLOW!

Again, the club and hasbro are two seperate companies. These are produced by the club not hasbro.

[MJjoe4life]

"Early shopping at the club store for exclusives before the
regularly posted shopping times AND triple the regular limit on
exclusive convention souvenirs."

So the golden ticket allows triple the regular limit. Does anyone know what the limit is on the exclusives?

The regular limit last year was one of everything so golden ticket people got to by three.

[Shipwreck]

Um... Thatz insanely fair. I'm going to guess you've never been.
I'm going to guess you have no idea what they could charge for
something like this and don't. Go find a professional toy designer or sculptor
and ask them how much they would charge for a private lesson.

this post needs a ''like'' button.

[Shipwreck]

So true. I know he's been to the last two. How many has been to before that (i.e., does he come every year?)?

I hope he shows.

Last I had spoken to Mr. Hama about joining the con, he did mention about traveling issues to it . Said he just does not travel well. Making these kinds of trips does take a toll on him.

[Shipwreck]

Did I say something funny or ironic?

no. just Shock being.. shock.

[X-factorz]

I'm really surprised that there wasn't a tour planned to visit the areas where the new film was shot, it seemed like a given to me as well as celebrity appearances from the cast.

I'm actually disappointed by the sounds of this con although I'm trying my best not to be...I only have enough time and money for one trip this summer and this one is starting to sound extremely expensive for what is being offered.

Anybody have any persuasive info they can share to help me make my decision?

[Morgardee]

Uh, thats $315 for the 12" set, $345 for the Oktober Guard set, so increase of $30.....and only the low low price of $29 to see the Retaliation move, pay for the bus to get you there, and a "free" movie poster. I suppose not so bad.

Should call it Operation Money Trap....LOL.

You got that right. I ran the number on just the convention items and gold tickets (not the Aide's packages as I have no idea how to track that). I also didn't factor in the classes, attending figures or any other extra items. If they sell out of everything they are looking at $384,000. Once we get the production numbers on the attending items and how many were made we can easily say this is a half a million dollar convention. I'm guessing Bot con draws similar numbers, plus both G.I.Joe and Transformers F.S.S. and we're looking at over a cool million dollars a year.

I imaging all the box and bagged figures for ARAH will sell out. There might be some 12 inch set left over. I have no idea how many scalpers will be buying the golden tickets so they might not sell out of those. Tough call on that.

Think about the golden ticket. They get an additional $22500 in pure profit. The only cost to the club is some " light hors d’oeuvres" and a "Exclusive Golden Ticket Cloisonne Pin".

Yep, our greed is making them rich.

[Starfighter]

The thing about the 12-inch set that I dislike is that it is as if they Stripped the Chenowth Desert Patrol VehicleFast Attack Vehicle to make it a race buggy only to offer the Weapons as an add-on for this years set. It hardly seems worth the money as they should have included those items last year. It seems that they are lacking in that set this year for just two 12-inch figures at the high price that is only $10 cheaper than last year. Last year's set seemed that you had much more value for what you purchased.

[Morgardee]

The thing about the 12-inch set that I dislike is that it is as if they Stripped the Chenowth Desert Patrol VehicleFast Attack Vehicle to make it a race buggy only to offer the Weapons as an add-on for this years set. It hardly seems worth the money as they should have included those items last year. It seems that they are lacking in that set this year for just two 12-inch figures at the high price that is only $10 cheaper than last year. Last year's set seemed that you had much more value for what you purchased.

I had wondered where the base for last years 12 inch vehicle came from. I tried to google that but all I found is Elite Forces. Is that the same mold? Would Hasbro allow a third party mold be used in a convention set?

[Starfighter]

I had wondered where the base for last years 12 inch vehicle came from. I tried to google that but all I found is Elite Forces. Is that the same mold? Would Hasbro allow a third party mold be used in a convention set?

Hasbro actually made their version of the Chenowth Desert Light Strike Vehicle in 2000. The club had just repainted that and had stripped it down to it's bare minimums. The BBi version is a different one but also just as good.

[kneroh]

all I've seen on this site the last couple of months from Hasbro is a big FUCK YOU to regular long time collectors! Thanks HASBLOW!

Oh my god Hasblow? Did you just come up with that? You're so witty and fresh please friend me! We can talk for hours about how it's the club that makes these figures, decides the number or pieces, sets the price point and distributes them and not "hasblow".

Hasblow... where do you kid's come up with stuff!

[Lody]

You got that right. I ran the number on just the convention items and gold tickets (not the Aide's packages as I have no idea how to track that). I also didn't factor in the classes, attending figures or any other extra items. If they sell out of everything they are looking at $384,000. Once we get the production numbers on the attending items and how many were made we can easily say this is a half a million dollar convention. I'm guessing Bot con draws similar numbers, plus both G.I.Joe and Transformers F.S.S. and we're looking at over a cool million dollars a year.

I imaging all the box and bagged figures for ARAH will sell out. There might be some 12 inch set left over. I have no idea how many scalpers will be buying the golden tickets so they might not sell out of those. Tough call on that.

Think about the golden ticket. They get an additional $22500 in pure profit. The only cost to the club is some " light hors d’oeuvres" and a "Exclusive Golden Ticket Cloisonne Pin".

Yep, our greed is making them rich.

I sure do like hearing from all the armchair economists here on the 'Tank

I like how you take into account salaries, taxes, licening fees, insurances, rents, utilities, travel and other expenses as the cost of doing business with that cool million dollars a year

Ohhhhh don't forget the huge gun that they bought to hold to your head and force you to buy them too!

Last I heard, it was not a crime for the club to make money and be profitable......

[Lody]

Oh my god Hasblow? Did you just come up with that? You're so witty and fresh please friend me! We can talk for hours about how it's the club that makes these figures, decides the number or pieces, sets the price point and distributes them and not "hasblow".

Hasblow... where do you kid's come up with stuff!

I agree, that was all pure win right there

[Duffmann]

I sure do like the hearing from our armchair economists here on the 'Tank

I like how you take into account salaries, taxes, licening fees, insurances, rents, utilities, travel and other expenses as the cost of doing business with that cool million dollars a year

Last I heard, it was not a crime for the club to make money and be profitable......

Lody Hit it right on the head. I just don't think people realize how a business work, or they just don't care to know how they work.

[Mainframe]

Anyone have insight into when the registration is live?

[Lody]

Lody Hit it right on the head. I just don't think people realize how a business work, or they just don't care to know how they work.

I'm gonna go with a little from column A and a little from column B with a whole lotta of D'UH through in

I mean really people

[Starfighter]

Today 2 p.m. CST??? Tomorrow 2 p.m. CST???

[Lody]

RIGHT NOW!

go go go go go

[Lody]

and..........................



































j/k









:D

[Mainframe]

At least stick a picture in that wasted space

[skinny]

and..........................
j/k

:D

may your signature pic have all her tatts removed...

[cmderinchief]

We whipped up a special edition just for the brochure. Its live, check it out.

WOJM Special Edition #12: 2012 JoeCon Brochure Read-Along! » What's on JOE Mind? (http://whatsonjoemind.podbean.com/2012/05/14/wojm-special-edition-12-2012-joecon-brochure-read-along/)

[Lody]

At least stick a picture in that wasted space

may your signature pic have all her tatts removed...

That joke NEVER gets old

:D

[turner]

......

[turner]

registration today?

[Starfighter]

We whipped up a special edition just for the brochure. Its live, check it out.

WOJM Special Edition #12: 2012 JoeCon Brochure Read-Along! » What's on JOE Mind? (http://whatsonjoemind.podbean.com/2012/05/14/wojm-special-edition-12-2012-joecon-brochure-read-along/)

I can't wait. BTW, I am the person on the last podcast that had the entire Oktober Guard friendly and foe list up. I have some down time at work and want to spend it on the hobby that I love. Of course, I do not let anyone else from work know about it though. I did a lot of data entry while in the military and have been very quick to put list together in a quick accurate manner. Please let the others on the Podcast know that too. Also, Beachhead Mike did mention that he picked up some joes at V-Stack in St. Louis. It is actually called "Vintage Stock" and they are a Midwest Chain that generally have a lot of Joes and things. They also have your favorive Gary,TRANSFORMERS.

As usual, I love the show. I would love to see you guys at convention too.

[RolandofGilead]

Waiting for registration.

And some more money...

[Morgardee]

I sure do like hearing from all the armchair economists here on the 'Tank

I like how you take into account salaries, taxes, licening fees, insurances, rents, utilities, travel and other expenses as the cost of doing business with that cool million dollars a year

Ohhhhh don't forget the huge gun that they bought to hold to your head and force you to buy them too!

Last I heard, it was not a crime for the club to make money and be profitable......

I was presenting an estimate on the raw numbers from the convention items only. There is a slew of other factors to consider, sure.

Of course I realize they have production costs, license fees, paying for the artists they use, the club magazine, web site services , salaries, etc. It would be moronic to overlook those things.

Personally I had not seen it in print anywhere where someone had looked at the numbers, added them up and posted it.

If anything it shows that they are not as "small time" as they appear at times.

That being said, I am allowed an opinion and I can say I think the golden ticket is most beneficial for the guys who want to sell stuff on Ebay AND the GIJCC themselves. They have minimal expense and reap a huge reward.

I realize I'm not having a "gun held to my head" and it's a free market, but that doesn't make it right to exploit the fan base.

[Lody]

That being said, I am allowed an opinion and I can say I think the golden ticket is most beneficial for the guys who want to sell stuff on Ebay AND the GIJCC themselves. They have minimal expense and reap a huge reward.

I realize I'm not having a "gun held to my head" and it's a free market, but that doesn't make it right to exploit the fan base.

Umm

It costs money such as hotel ($1,000 for 4-5 nights) and traveling to get to the con and most guys are buying more than one set to sell and offset the costs-so NO the expense is NOT minimal

Where the heck are you getting your information from??

And the "club is exploting the fans" argument is so tiring and overused that I am just going to leave it at that

[Morgardee]

Umm

It costs money such as hotel ($1,000 for 4-5 nights) and traveling to get to the con and most guys are buying more than one set to sell and offset the costs-so NO the expense is NOT minimal

Where the heck are you getting your information from??

And the "club is exploting the fans" argument is so tiring and overused that I am just going to leave it at that

I never once said anything about hotel and travel. Not sure where you got that connection from.

I'm getting my info from the club. It lists the production numbers and the costs to buy. It's not hard to add up the numbers and base previous records with this year. I "if" they sell out.

Are you a fan of the Golden Ticket then?

[Lody]

I never once said anything about hotel and travel. Not sure where you got that connection from.



That being said, I am allowed an opinion and I can say I think the golden ticket is most beneficial for the guys who want to sell stuff on Ebay AND the GIJCC themselves. They have minimal expense and reap a huge reward.


You said that, correct?

Which means that you meant that the Golden Ticket holders have minimal expense and reap a huge reward

BUT you leave out the fact that they are paying for transportation and hotel to go to the con

They then turn and sell the extras they bought to fund the their trip to the con. So where is this huge reward you speak of?

And YES

I am a fan of those that are willing to pay extra and go the extra mile to break even on theirt con experience.

[Morgardee]

You said that, correct?

Which means that you meant that the Golden Ticket holders have minimal expense and reap a huge reward

BUT you leave out the fact that they are paying for transportation and hotel to go to the con

They then turn and sell the extras they bought to fund the their trip to the con. So where is this huge reward you speak of?

And YES

I am a fan of those that are willing to pay extra and go the extra mile to break even on theirt con experience.

Ah, I see where the hostility comes from now. You've interpreted my comment about the Golden Ticket being of minimal expense when I was talking about the GIJCC. When I said " They have minimal expense and reap a huge reward." I was not talking about the Fans. I've been to two conventions myself (not counting Joe canuck events), I know what is involved in going and being a mule for friends.

The focus on my posts has been about an estimate of what Fun Publishing will pull in if they sell out of all the convention items. Again, this was rough numbers. I have no way to know how many Aide packages they will sell, I don't know what they charge vendors to rent a table and I'd never know how much street traffic they generate.

I was saying it's likely that between Transformers and G.I. Joe that Fun Publishing is a million dollar company. That's gross profit and that is how most companies represent themselves. Gross profit means the money you bring in before expenses. I assumed most people would realize this, which is why I originally didn't feel the need to include salary, operating expense, etc...

Honestly I didn't think I would be breaking this down to the nitty gritty but hey, I'm all for a fun discussion.

Now your comment about "and YES, I am a fan of those that are willing to pay extra and go the extra mile to break even on theirt con experience". That's cool. I get it. You want to recoup some of your costs off Ebay. I've done the same myself. It's an open market. Economics 101 "Human wants vs Material resources". I get it. I just don't get why you would be on board with paying for a "Golden Ticket". I prefer the traditional way of getting in line, buying all you can hold, running to your car and getting in line again. Seems a little more fair to me then forking over $300 to a club that has basically nothing to do for you in return of that $300 other then saying "Oh, your special so here's 2 more sets, some snacks, front row seats, early crack at our guests and a pin". To me that's not a fair exchange of services.

That is once of the reasons I say they exploit the fan base. Obviously if you say you've had this conversation in the past and don't want to revisit it, then I'm not alone in thinking this way.

Now my Amazon order of the two 4 packs just arrived so I'm going to open them and eat my dinner.

Good night.

[Letal]

Tks Michael... I hope you are right.. if they change this it can be a deal breaker for me.

And sadly ... our hopes were wrong ... reading the FAQ at the joecon page I found out this:

"Question: In the past if you did a homefront hero package the shipping was free. Is this still the case, or not any more?
Answer: We use an online registration system now. Shipping is actual cost and calculated at the time of ordering."

So there it is, another "gift" for us from this "fantastic 12"inch joe club.... US$ 30,00 dollars up froms last year's price for the box, plus shipping ... wich if remember it right was aroun US$ 40,00 ... so in the end, the total cost will be around US$ 385,00 ... US$ 25,00 per figure ... for a half decent set? I´m really thinking ... NOT.

[Agent Nevets]

I wonder why I'm not receiving emails from the club anymore? Does anyone know the email to the club so I can make sure everything's ok with my membership? I can't find anything on their site. I want to make sure I don't have problems when it comes time to register.

[Starfighter]

I wonder why I'm not receiving emails from the club anymore? Does anyone know the email to the club so I can make sure everything's ok with my membership? I can't find anything on their site. I want to make sure I don't have problems when it comes time to register.

You should be able to login and see if your registration is correct. They have the "Expiration Date" listed as the Bill Date. If it is Listed for anytime after today for example, you should be fine as long as your e-mail address is correct in the system.

[Playful]

The third version of the brochure (correcting the page 2/page 3 splice) is ready now.

Same information as before, but with the cut and paste errors fixed.

[chuckles32]

I will say I hate the golden ticket, just like I hate the upcharge "VIP experiences" you have to pay for to get up front at some concerts. Thankfully most of the shows I go to these days are at bars/clubs, or aren't huge shows that do that. Well, I will make an exception for AC/DC but still, mostly past the big concerts I used to go to.

I thought the multiple trips through the line for exclusive items ala the Dallas Convention or I think even Atlanta too, was okay with me. The $300 charge for what you get reeks of me that Mastercollector, much like Ticketmaster, is trying to get more of the money that the "resellers" make off their sets. However that is their right, and I'm okay if they decide to do that, and someone decides it's worth it to purchase.

However, what I am against, is the fact that it does "potentially" give the shaft to those that are going that might not even get ONE of each exclusive for their own collection.

For that reasons, I would like the option to pay up front for not only the convention set, but also 1 of each exclusives, whether they list the details or likely not (could say generic, vehicle $48, or 2 pack figures $48, etc) for two reasons:

A) guarantees me at least one of each exclusive

B) avoids paying local taxes which you are able to do with the registration and box set. Only if you buy the exclusives or a bagged set "on-site" do you have to pay the local sales tax.

LOL, anyway, I will get the one of each I need of the exclusives, and one of each Millville Resident who paid for my wife's set and for her to go with me, and if I get any extras it's gravy.

[turner]

I will say I hate the golden ticket, just like I hate the upcharge "VIP experiences" you have to pay for to get up front at some concerts. Thankfully most of the shows I go to these days are at bars/clubs, or aren't huge shows that do that. Well, I will make an exception for AC/DC but still, mostly past the big concerts I used to go to.

I thought the multiple trips through the line for exclusive items ala the Dallas Convention or I think even Atlanta too, was okay with me. The $300 charge for what you get reeks of me that Mastercollector, much like Ticketmaster, is trying to get more of the money that the "resellers" make off their sets. However that is their right, and I'm okay if they decide to do that, and someone decides it's worth it to purchase.

However, what I am against, is the fact that it does "potentially" give the shaft to those that are going that might not even get ONE of each exclusive for their own collection.
For that reasons, I would like the option to pay up front for not only the convention set, but also 1 of each exclusives, whether they list the details or likely not (could say generic, vehicle $48, or 2 pack figures $48, etc) for two reasons:

A) guarantees me at least one of each exclusive

B) avoids paying local taxes which you are able to do with the registration and box set. Only if you buy the exclusives or a bagged set "on-site" do you have to pay the local sales tax.

LOL, anyway, I will get the one of each I need of the exclusives, and one of each Millville Resident who paid for my wife's set and for her to go with me, and if I get any extras it's gravy.

Well said. I was pretty ticked after spending 1200 bucks last year to go down there and ended up not getting any of the exclusives (I was only able to make it in on Friday night). Rediculous that we have to take off 2 or 3 extra days before the con just to get in line for the stuff.

But seriously, if they offered them up as a preorder, they would sell them like crazy, could increase their numbers too. They'd still make their cool half million, maybe more.

[Xenos]

Well said. I was pretty ticked after spending 1200 bucks last year to go down there and ended up not getting any of the exclusives (I was only able to make it in on Friday night). Rediculous that we have to take off 3 extra days before the con just to get in line for the stuff.

It is annoying, but that's just kind of the way con exclusives work nowadays. SDCC is always sold out of the good stuff by Friday morning.

[RolandofGilead]

And just why is that a good thing?

[Xenos]

I wasn't saying it's a good thing, I'm just saying that it's not just Joecon that is like this, it's any convention that has exclusives. Like I said, it's annoying, but at this point we have enough precedent to know that if you want the exclusives, you need to be there on the first day, right at the start of the con.

[Roshan]

I will say I hate the golden ticket, just like I hate the upcharge "VIP experiences" you have to pay for to get up front at some concerts. Thankfully most of the shows I go to these days are at bars/clubs, or aren't huge shows that do that. Well, I will make an exception for AC/DC but still, mostly past the big concerts I used to go to.

Just like your exception for AC/DC, the Joe show is my own exception. I would never pay for a VIP experience at any other show. This is the one show of the year I want to be hassle free, so even without the higher spending limit on exclusives, I'd be buying a golden ticket, just like I did last year.


However, what I am against, is the fact that it does "potentially" give the shaft to those that are going that might not even get ONE of each exclusive for their own collection.


Misplaced criticism there. At the show last year GT was 3, regular 1 each. Without golden ticker holders it would have been 2 each per normal every other year. Even more exclusives would have been purchased opening night if GT wasn't in place. The better placement of criticism is that people who don't get golden ticket and who are in line only get one of each opening night instead of the normal 2. I'd be fine if they made it three each for GT and 2 each for everyone else. They're already first in line.

As for pre-buying, if you do that you lose the incentive for many people to show up at the show in the first place. Plus they would have to implement a pre-order system months in advance to handle demand or risk selling out of con stock before the show even happens. They would also then have to either announce the con set and attendee exclusives much earlier than normal or sell their exclusives blind to the customer.

[shdwknt]

I just want to know what the other exclusives are..

I bought the golden ticket last year because of the dial tone.. Im not spending the $$ for the ticket and the stay if I cant at least see what the stuff is ahead of time.

[kneroh]

I just want to know what the other exclusives are..

I bought the golden ticket last year because of the dial tone.. Im not spending the $$ for the ticket and the stay if I cant at least see what the stuff is ahead of time.

They'll have footloose carded but they never announce the other figure sets and vehicles until they open up the club store like an hour after registration starts.

[shdwknt]

They'll have footloose carded but they never announce the other figure sets and vehicles until they open up the club store like an hour after registration starts.

When / where did you see this.. That would be worth the money to go...

[Kann]

WOW $345 is so bad! I remember going to the 2005 Con and getting the Iron Granadiers for about $220 was so high! Man $125 more in only 7 years! wow

[chuckles32]

Just like your exception for AC/DC, the Joe show is my own exception. I would never pay for a VIP experience at any other show. This is the one show of the year I want to be hassle free, so even without the higher spending limit on exclusives, I'd be buying a golden ticket, just like I did last year.



Misplaced criticism there. At the show last year GT was 3, regular 1 each. Without golden ticker holders it would have been 2 each per normal every other year. Even more exclusives would have been purchased opening night if GT wasn't in place. The better placement of criticism is that people who don't get golden ticket and who are in line only get one of each opening night instead of the normal 2. I'd be fine if they made it three each for GT and 2 each for everyone else. They're already first in line.

As for pre-buying, if you do that you lose the incentive for many people to show up at the show in the first place. Plus they would have to implement a pre-order system months in advance to handle demand or risk selling out of con stock before the show even happens. They would also then have to either announce the con set and attendee exclusives much earlier than normal or sell their exclusives blind to the customer.


Roshan,
Respect as I met you and we're cool, but I don't think it's misplaced criticism. I'm saying this can be made better. Why would it keep those from coming to the show, again the placeholder names would be generic so you wouldn't know for SURE what the exclusive is, and you still have to show up to get it.

I have a right to expect a HIGHER STANDARD for the kind of cash they are asking for, and for the fan base that makes their business possible. The Japanese have a term for continuous improvement, and this should be an improvement they should look to implement.

That being said, everyone who buys one set should be able to GUARANTEE they get one of each exclusive. if they make more exclusives than the guarantee and want to sell Golden Idols I could care less, but everyone should be able to get one of each IF they buy the big money box set.

[CobraOfficer999]

This will be my 1st con. I am reading the brochure. Am I understanding this correctly? You can only get the OG/IG set via registering for a package? They won't be available at the general vender booths?

[Sniper Viper]

Couple of questions...

If I buy a Golden Ticket, when is the earliest I can go to pick up all the exclusives?

If I DON'T buy a Golden Ticket, when is the earliest I can go to pick up all the exclusives?

I'm not a reseller, so I'm not really feeling the Golden Ticket thing, but don't want to waste my time waiting in line if I don't buy one & there's little to no chance of getting the exclusives otherwise. Finding a set on Ebay would probably (or rather hopefully) cost less than the Golden Ticket fee + the price for each piece.

[Nirvana]

When / where did you see this.. That would be worth the money to go...

Carded Footloose was mentioned on the main Club facebook account awhile ago. Pretty much a no-brainer after last year.