ORGANIC FOODS/product tips

[Indiana Joe]

My Wife makes me eat Organic foods (and I LOVE it)

Sometimes we get Organic food thats overpriced and tastes like crap!

But, most of the time it is noticeably better!

Every once in a while we come across items that are just amazing! decent price and great tasting!

I'm not sure if many tankers have stopped the processed "Cheetos and Mountain Dew" food diet.

Any Organic MO-Fo's out there? or in here?



lets start trading tip on the good stuff and the stuff to avoid. yeah?
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[sharky]

I try to get organic whenever possibly. Particularly with meats. Trader Joes is a good place to check out as they seem to be better priced than places like Whole Foods.

The main idea is to avoid processed foods as much as possible. So, even if a bag of chips is labeled organic, I still try to avoid it as it's still heavily processed even if the ingredients that went into it are technically organic.

[TTT]

I use these guys https://www.spud.com/index.cfm , they are awesome, I cook all the dinner meals for me & my gf so I steam 3/4 of a plate of veggies & grill/steam a little meat basically every night.
We usually split a beef or pork "steak"(or 4 chicken thighs) between to 2 of us & the rest of the plate is veggies.
They carry a roasted red pepper/garlic hummus that is ridiculous, I can eat it with a spoon out of the container !(I put that shit on everything !)
Just recently got into duck eggs from a local organic farm, yum !

[Headman]

Mcdonalds is good.

[TTT]

Mcdonalds is good.

Pee out your bum much ?

[Headman]

Pee out your bum much ?

That doesn't happen to Americans. We're built for that shit.

[TTT]

That doesn't happen to Americans. We're built for that shit.

That explains all the napkins they give you.

[Headman]

That explains all the napkins they give you.

Subway only gives you two. Even if you order the meatball sub. WTF am I gonna do with two napkins while eating a meatball sub? Assholes.

[TTT]

I think we should start our own thread, or comedy hour.
Yer gonna get us in trouble.

[Headman]

I think we should start our own thread, or comedy hour.

Just after a post this pic. It shows how awesome I look thanks to my strict fast food only diet.


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[DaveViper]

That doesn't happen to Americans. We're built for that shit.

The super size me guy almost killed him self eating mcdonalds for a month straight.

[Headman]

The super size me guy almost killed him self eating mcdonalds for a month straight.

That guy is a liar. Or maybe it's because he was old or unhealthy to begin with. When I was in my early 20's I worked in a mall and ate Mcdonalds pretty much every meal because I pretty much lived at my store. I was in pretty damn good shape too.

[falcon_77]

Organic food is the best food, everything pre cooked unhealthy.
The question is where you get your organic food who's growing it and what is being used now to grow it?
I always read my food labels! yo joe

[sharky]

The super size me guy almost killed him self eating mcdonalds for a month straight.

A ha, you said "almost." :D



One thing I'd also like to mention is that now is the season for local farmer's markets to be open. You can google it and find sites that list all the markets by State, zip code, etc.

[bigvig]

OK, lets start a debate!

By "organic" are you guys talking about food labeled "organic" (like a pear thats obviously organic, DUH!), or are you talking food that isnt processed? Before I get into a long rant here, Im just curious what people consider "organic".

[Headman]

OK, lets start a debate!

By "organic" are you guys talking about food labeled "organic" (like a pear thats obviously organic, DUH!), or are you talking food that isnt processed? Before I get into a long rant here, Im just curious what people consider "organic".

I consider food that isn't made from metal or plastic to be organic.

[bigvig]

Very good! "Organic" is the new buzz word. People who say an "organic" banana and a regular banana are different in any way, shape or form let alone taste different or have health differences crack me up. I just really enjoy debating the topic since Ive basically been a farmer my whole life.

[sgt.bludhound]

Subway only gives you two. Even if you order the meatball sub. WTF am I gonna do with two napkins while eating a meatball sub? Assholes.

LMAO! so true

[sgt.bludhound]

Very good! "Organic" is the new buzz word. People who say an "organic" banana and a regular banana are different in any way, shape or form let alone taste different or have health differences crack me up. I just really enjoy debating the topic since Ive basically been a farmer my whole life.

the word "organic" is a selling point. for all i know they could just be slapping a sticker on that piece of fruit or veggie and volia! organic! Lol.
supposedly when they say organic its grown free of pesticides, but don't we all wash our fruits and veggies prior to eating them? i sure dont like dirt with my food..:/

[Indiana Joe]

OK, lets start a debate!

By "organic" are you guys talking about food labeled "organic" (like a pear thats obviously organic, DUH!), or are you talking food that isnt processed? Before I get into a long rant here, Im just curious what people consider "organic".

I consider food that isn't made from metal or plastic to be organic.

Very good! "Organic" is the new buzz word. People who say an "organic" banana and a regular banana are different in any way, shape or form let alone taste different or have health differences crack me up. I just really enjoy debating the topic since Ive basically been a farmer my whole life.

Organic, as in: not processed, no pesticides, no herbicides, not genetically modified, no growth hormones, stuff like that. also, grain fed, free range.

My wife's parents came from Romania and brought there "Old World" traditions of homemade/natural "Organic" everything.
Frist time I picked eggs from the chicken's nest or duck eggs (these eggs are denser than store bought and have a darker color and stronger flavor) from their nest!
I've hand plucked chickens there and I had to help catch them first. as, they freely roam around the property and "roost" where the like. they also have pigs, sheep, goats, one llama (peter)
they have a Huge Garden including: 3 types of tomatoes, onions, garlic, cucumbers, radishes , lettuce, cabbage, potatoes, cherry trees and plum, pear, and apples trees and strawberries and blueberries and more.

The food at their house tastes Much better because it's freshly picked or slaughtered. and it's natural or "organic"

so, thats what got us started down the "organic" path (I did have a small garden before I met my wife, 1 tomato plant and 1 yellow pepper plant. I"ve expanded my garden every summer, over the past 6 years .

Our son has peanut and soy allergies which has made us more aware of what's in food, so we have become more and more selective in what we buy and eat. now we mostly eat organic everything. We still go to McD's and get pizza and feel sick and sluggish after. But, It does Taste Good! usually we get Meijer Organic's (AMY's Organic-contains soy) frozen Spinach and feta Pizza ( no soy) So, so Good!
actually we get a lot of the "Meijer Organics" and the "Meijer Naturals" and it's all very good.

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[Indiana Joe]

the word "organic" is a selling point. for all i know they could just be slapping a sticker on that piece of fruit or veggie and volia! organic! Lol.
supposedly when they say organic its grown free of pesticides, but don't we all wash our fruits and veggies prior to eating them? i sure dont like dirt with my food..:/

pesticides get absorbed into the fruit and veggies. you get it inside and out.

[sgt.bludhound]

pesticides get absorbed into the fruit and veggies. you get it inside and out.

never thought about it like that. good point.

[bigvig]

"The food at their house tastes Much better because it's freshly picked or slaughtered. and it's natural or "organic"."

This is the stuff that cracks me up. Youre telling me you can taste the difference between a store bought tomato and one picked this morning? I call BS on that. Ive been a farmer my whole life and if the fruit/veggie is ripe, etc., and in its prime, it tastes best. A green banana picked that morning tastes HORRIBLE compared to one thats been allowed to ripen, unless of course you like a hard, chalky tasting banana.

Also, as a long time animal farmer/hunter most meat doesnt taste best the day its killed either. But its all relative depending on your personal taste too. Most people prefer animals to be bled and allowed to "dry out" for a few days prior to consumption to get rid of the "gamey" taste. I like the taste of my deer and ducks right after theyre killed. But you couldnt pay me to eat cow or pork the day it was killed. Again, it has nothing to do with an "organic" label.

As far as pesticides, yes, they can be absorbed via roots and through thin skin fruits and veggies. HOWEVER, an "organic" label simply means they arent using SYNTHETIC pesticides. Trust me, theyre using something, otherwise those crops would be destroyed. Rotenone is an "organic" pesticide in which to be effective at the same level as similar synthetics, needs to be applied 7 TIMES more! Rotenone is EXTREMEMLY toxic to aquatic life (FISH) and lingers in the environment longer than similar synthetics that are designed to disperse quickly after initial usage/treatment.

And there is no hard, scientific, FACTUAL evidence that says "organic" farming is safer or better tasting for us. Its all anecdotal and the USDA agrees, saying that residue levels of pesticides on both "organic" and "conventional" foods are well below the governments set "safe" levels. And "residue" can be rinsed or washed away too, so the levels we're ingesting are so small you cant measure them. Well, you can, but "organic" vs. "conventional" isnt a good way to measure depending on the prep of the food.

Organic food can be contaminated with biological hazards like E-coli (because they use manure as fertilizer). Also, there is NO effective organic compliant fungicide, so there is a risk of mycotoxins there. And using manure is also a draw back to the environment because you need a lot more cows which put off a lot more methane with is much worse than carbon dioxide as a greenhouse gas. 20 TIMES worse actually!

Fact of the matter is, there really arent any facts that say "organic" is healthier or even safer. On the contrary, I read a factual based, scientific article on the subject that was based on 50 YEARS worth of data gathering that said there was NO difference in nutritional value. If youre eating fruits and veggies you need to WASH THEM. Fill up your sink with water and put a drop of bleach in it and wash them all well. If youre eating meat, make sure its stored, prepped and cooked properly.

If you like spending more money on the same products, good for you. Dont tell the people who are buying conventionally grown foods theyre putting themselves at risk because there are no facts to back that up.

But dont let the facts get in the way of a good opinion. lol There is PLENTY of stuff out there to read that will tell you the truth. Now, whether or not you want to hear it makes a difference. Im not saying lets stop "organic" agriculture. What I am saying is lets examine the facts. I dont see any harm in "organic" agriculture, but I dont see any in "convential" either.

[Headman]

Organic, as in: not processed, no pesticides, no herbicides, not genetically modified, no growth hormones, stuff like that. also, grain fed, free range.

My wife's parents came from Romania and brought there "Old World" traditions of homemade/natural "Organic" everything.
Frist time I picked eggs from the chicken's nest or duck eggs (these eggs are denser than store bought and have a darker color and stronger flavor) from their nest!
I've hand plucked chickens there and I had to help catch them first. as, they freely roam around the property and "roost" where the like. they also have pigs, sheep, goats, one llama (peter)
they have a Huge Garden including: 3 types of tomatoes, onions, garlic, cucumbers, radishes , lettuce, cabbage, potatoes, cherry trees and plum, pear, and apples trees and strawberries and blueberries and more.

The food at their house tastes Much better because it's freshly picked or slaughtered. and it's natural or "organic"

so, thats what got us started down the "organic" path (I did have a small garden before I met my wife, 1 tomato plant and 1 yellow pepper plant. I"ve expanded my garden every summer, over the past 6 years .

Our son has peanut and soy allergies which has made us more aware of what's in food, so we have become more and more selective in what we buy and eat. now we mostly eat organic everything. We still go to McD's and get pizza and feel sick and sluggish after. But, It does Taste Good! usually we get Meijer Organic's (AMY's Organic-contains soy) frozen Spinach and feta Pizza ( no soy) So, so Good!
actually we get a lot of the "Meijer Organics" and the "Meijer Naturals" and it's all very good.


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We used to call that stuff "fresh".

[Indiana Joe]

"The food at their house tastes Much better because it's freshly picked or slaughtered. and it's natural or "organic"."

This is the stuff that cracks me up. Youre telling me you can taste the difference between a store bought tomato and one picked this morning? I call BS on that. Ive been a farmer my whole life and if the fruit/veggie is ripe, etc., and in its prime, it tastes best. A green banana picked that morning tastes HORRIBLE compared to one thats been allowed to ripen, unless of course you like a hard, chalky tasting banana.

Also, as a long time animal farmer/hunter most meat doesnt taste best the day its killed either. But its all relative depending on your personal taste too. Most people prefer animals to be bled and allowed to "dry out" for a few days prior to consumption to get rid of the "gamey" taste. I like the taste of my deer and ducks right after theyre killed. But you couldnt pay me to eat cow or pork the day it was killed. Again, it has nothing to do with an "organic" label.

As far as pesticides, yes, they can be absorbed via roots and through thin skin fruits and veggies. HOWEVER, an "organic" label simply means they arent using SYNTHETIC pesticides. Trust me, theyre using something, otherwise those crops would be destroyed. Rotenone is an "organic" pesticide in which to be effective at the same level as similar synthetics, needs to be applied 7 TIMES more! Rotenone is EXTREMEMLY toxic to aquatic life (FISH) and lingers in the environment longer than similar synthetics that are designed to disperse quickly after initial usage/treatment.

And there is no hard, scientific, FACTUAL evidence that says "organic" farming is safer or better tasting for us. Its all anecdotal and the USDA agrees, saying that residue levels of pesticides on both "organic" and "conventional" foods are well below the governments set "safe" levels. And "residue" can be rinsed or washed away too, so the levels we're ingesting are so small you cant measure them. Well, you can, but "organic" vs. "conventional" isnt a good way to measure depending on the prep of the food.

Organic food can be contaminated with biological hazards like E-coli (because they use manure as fertilizer). Also, there is NO effective organic compliant fungicide, so there is a risk of mycotoxins there. And using manure is also a draw back to the environment because you need a lot more cows which put off a lot more methane with is much worse than carbon dioxide as a greenhouse gas. 20 TIMES worse actually!

Fact of the matter is, there really arent any facts that say "organic" is healthier or even safer. On the contrary, I read a factual based, scientific article on the subject that was based on 50 YEARS worth of data gathering that said there was NO difference in nutritional value. If youre eating fruits and veggies you need to WASH THEM. Fill up your sink with water and put a drop of bleach in it and wash them all well. If youre eating meat, make sure its stored, prepped and cooked properly.

If you like spending more money on the same products, good for you. Dont tell the people who are buying conventionally grown foods theyre putting themselves at risk because there are no facts to back that up.

But dont let the facts get in the way of a good opinion. lol There is PLENTY of stuff out there to read that will tell you the truth. Now, whether or not you want to hear it makes a difference. Im not saying lets stop "organic" agriculture. What I am saying is lets examine the facts. I dont see any harm in "organic" agriculture, but I dont see any in "convential" either.

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you say:
This is the stuff that cracks me up. You're telling me you can taste the difference between a store bought tomato and one picked this morning?

you're very fragile.
yes, they make them red by injecting them , they look ripe, but they are not. when I pick a red tomato off the vine, it is ripe!
go get a dozen "Store brand/caged chicken" eggs and then get a dozen free range , taste and tell me theres NO difference.
some people cannot tell the difference between sugar and artificial sweeteners. I can.

you say:
Also, as a long time animal farmer/hunter most meat doesnt taste best the day its killed either. But its all relative depending on your personal taste too. Most people prefer animals to be bled and allowed to "dry out" for a few days prior to consumption to get rid of the "gamey" taste.

I did not handle that part, so I don't know what my father-in-law does.

You say:
I like the taste of my deer and ducks right after theyre killed. But you couldnt pay me to eat cow or pork the day it was killed. Again, it has nothing to do with an "organic" label.

Good for you, I only mentioned Chickens.
my point was "Fresh" store meat is weed old, frozen shipped thawed sprayed for color. I was just saying "Fresh" and Natural, Home Grown food!

You say:

If you like spending more money on the same products, good for you. Dont tell the people who are buying conventionally grown foods theyre putting themselves at risk because there are no facts to back that up.
part 1:
Most of the food I get is 10-15;25 cents more than the "regular" stuff. I don't have lots of money to waste (just for G.I.Joe) so I'm a Bargain shopper. I find "Day old","smashed boxes" and the like. Because "Organic" is Expensive it is not all bought before expression dates, so it is marked down, thats when I buy! I'm at the store every day looking for Joes and marked down "Health Food".
part 2:
what are you talking about? I've not told anyone to do anything. It's you that's TELLING ME - I'm a joke, I don't know what I'm talking about.(not in those words, no) this thread is only 3 pages so far, go back and read it again.

[Indiana Joe]

We used to call that stuff "fresh".

that's what we used to call "flirting"

[bigvig]

Hey man, Im not telling you youre a joke at all, dont try and put words in my mouth. But to say things like the store injects tomatoes, come on. What store? Ive never heard of such a thing in my life. And what, do they inject them a little at a time, because Ive seen them green in the store. And when Im out of tomatoes, I buy them from the store and they taste exactly the same. Now meat, they put color in hamburg, Ill give you that. People think its supposed to be red so they make it red. People think brown hamburg is no good when in fact thats the color its supposed to be.

Fact of the matter is there have been tons of studies on the subject and none prove that "organic" tastes better, is better for you or less harmful than "conventional", which is what it sounded like you were saying.

As far as chickens and eggs, I grew up a chicken farmer, theyre my speciality! Like on a chicken farm with 20 THOUSAND of them in barn all caged up. None of that PETA free-range bologna. A chicken is actually HEALTHIER when you can control what it eats, how much it eats and what it comes in contact with. If youre giving them light (even artificial) and feeding them properly, they taste better (in my opinion) than any free range chicken, in my opinion. They also stay FAR healthier because they arent all intermingling passing along disease, illness, etc. Its nearly impossible to raise chickens (or any bird for that matter) free range because there are just too many variables. Its safer and easier to pen them. Ive raised and eaten penned and free range chicken and eggs, no discernible, consistent difference in my opinion. Ive never once in my life thought a store bought chicken or egg tasted different than our chickens either. Same goes with cow, turkey (actually, store bought turkey tastes far better than free range to me), ducks and pigs. Again, thats just my taste buds and opinion (along with every scientific study Ive read on the subject). Im not saying yours doest taste better to you, it might be what theyre eating, when youre harvesting them, what breed they are, etc., but there are no studies that prove "organic" vs. "conventional" farming have any benefits or drawbacks over the other. Anyone who says otherwise is kidding themselves. Im not talking about a guy with a couple chickens or a small garden at his house, he has MUCH more control over everything from the breeds to the feed to the pesticides to the manure. Im talking large scale agriculture sold to the masses. Thats all Im saying.

[mister-x]

dont do the healthy/organic thang myself...
but,
if you need any help with gluetin free l/m/k
my wife and youngest son are both celiacs :(

[Indiana Joe]

Hey man, Im not telling you youre a joke at all, dont try and put words in my mouth. But to say things like the store injects tomatoes, come on. What store? Ive never heard of such a thing in my life. And what, do they inject them a little at a time, because Ive seen them green in the store. And when Im out of tomatoes, I buy them from the store and they taste exactly the same. Now meat, they put color in hamburg, Ill give you that. People think its supposed to be red so they make it red. People think brown hamburg is no good when in fact thats the color its supposed to be.

Fact of the matter is there have been tons of studies on the subject and none prove that "organic" tastes better, is better for you or less harmful than "conventional", which is what it sounded like you were saying.

As far as chickens and eggs, I grew up a chicken farmer, theyre my speciality! Like on a chicken farm with 20 THOUSAND of them in barn all caged up. None of that PETA free-range bologna. A chicken is actually HEALTHIER when you can control what it eats, how much it eats and what it comes in contact with. If youre giving them light (even artificial) and feeding them properly, they taste better (in my opinion) than any free range chicken, in my opinion. They also stay FAR healthier because they arent all intermingling passing along disease, illness, etc. Its nearly impossible to raise chickens (or any bird for that matter) free range because there are just too many variables. Its safer and easier to pen them. Ive raised and eaten penned and free range chicken and eggs, no discernible, consistent difference in my opinion. Ive never once in my life thought a store bought chicken or egg tasted different than our chickens either. Same goes with cow, turkey (actually, store bought turkey tastes far better than free range to me), ducks and pigs. Again, thats just my taste buds and opinion (along with every scientific study Ive read on the subject). Im not saying yours doest taste better to you, it might be what theyre eating, when youre harvesting them, what breed they are, etc., but there are no studies that prove "organic" vs. "conventional" farming have any benefits or drawbacks over the other. Anyone who says otherwise is kidding themselves. Im not talking about a guy with a couple chickens or a small garden at his house, he has MUCH more control over everything from the breeds to the feed to the pesticides to the manure. Im talking large scale agriculture sold to the masses. Thats all Im saying.

wow......... 20,000 of any animal in such a small space is not "healthy" imo. On the farm there was only 15-20,(at ant time, roaming freely in the yard, no cage no fence) any more and we start choppin' heads and sending them home with family and freinds. too many chickens not enough food (bugs,seeds,feed,scraps),too much poop, fighting... etc.

Hey man, Im not telling you youre a joke at all, dont try and put words in my mouth. But to say things like the store injects tomatoes, come on. What store? Ive never heard of such a thing in my life.
Why Organic Produce is Healthier | Listen To Your Gut (http://www.listen2yourgut.com/conventional-organic.php)
^from this site:
"Extreme Produce Makeover

Today’s consumers are raised on TV, airbrushed photos and carefully manipulated images designed to sell illusions of perfection. But when it comes to produce, looks aren’t everything. Chances are that shiny apple, or yellow banana are gassed, bathed in pesticides and fungicides or injected with food dyes that make them a toxic treat for the senses."



you're wanting to make this thread into some STAND against the "Organic-eating-Type" , because you KNOW better. :(

I just wanted to have a thread for the people who DO eat ORGANIC food to say "try this, it's good, or , "Don't buy that, it tastes bad"

not a thread that YOU can talk crap about the "fools" who Buy into the "organic-BS" -

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(What dopes!)

[TTT]

Eat whatever YOU like :)

[Indiana Joe]

Eat whatever YOU like :)

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I can CLEARLY SEE what I like, Thanks TTT!

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[Kungfuguy]

Organic is so over-rated and over-priced. It's a sham. Those old world organic farming practices won't work in a modern industrial food chain. When Macdonald's buys apples, each one must be a certain size, shape and colour. No exceptions. To achieve that farmers must use pesticides and any means to control its crops. Organic apples will be discoloured, misshapen, have worms, and will not be uniform. Consumers are a picky bunch and expect apples to look a certain way. For example, americans won't buy green bananas because they expect them to be yellow. Green bananas are a common staple in the carribbean.

Cubans practice organic farming only because they are poor. They can't buy pesticides and fertilizers. Have you ever tasted a free range chicken? It's not better, just different. The birds are skinny and meatless. The bones are rock hard. This is what is eaten in the old country. But KFC would never serve these birds because americans expect chicken to be fat and plump. Organic farming is just a hobby in the developed world. You can't scale it up.

[Kaedryl]

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I can CLEARLY SEE what I like, Thanks TTT!


Happen to have a chart that's not almost 20 years old and is from a peer reviewed journal, not a biased gardener's catalog that has secondary gain to make from promoting what they sell?

Sorry, I read and review journal articles on a daily basis.

[TTT]

Funny how you can start a thread for a topic and you get just the opposite.
All say it again, eat what YOU like.

[Shipshape1983]

I used to work in a health market. Lots of veggie, vegan and organic foods. I ate it when I could, but now its gotten too expensive.