SW Clone Wars FOUL FOUL PENALTY!!!!!

[Cobra80]

Mods please delete because RuckusJr doesn't like the topic.

[Cobra80]

Also, tired of hearing the excuse, It's SW, it's George Lucas, it's sci-fi and make believe. So is GI Joe cartoons (make believe) so maybe if creators put more effort into GI Joe like the put their heart and sole into SW CW it would get kids attention more.

[bigvig]

I agree.

[sonofdestro]

Didn't Obi wan kill Darth Maul in Phantom Menace.

[Crimson Rage]

True. People today go on and on about how "cheesy" the original MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE cartoon was, yet it was the most noble, moral and positive show of the era.

That we mock such a thing now (a show for kids, no less) while allowing networks to get away with churning out the souless, cookie-cutter crap designed to sell the latest collectable craze from Japan makes me sad.

Yes, I'm an old fogey, but I'm actually rather proud of that fact now rather than ashamed of it.

[Crazy Legs]

Evil guys acting evil? By the gods!

[Barefoot Jedi]

Oooh, this is not my thread.

tactfully exits

[RuckusJr]

I hate the internet...I don't mind that people have their own opinions, just that they share them.

How are you connecting a Star Wars program with a GI Joe program? There is NO logic in this post. Hasbro only makes the toys, Lucasfilms does the television show. Last time I checked, Prime Time television on cable channels isn't exactly kid-friendly. And just because its a cartoon it isn't necessarily kid-friendly either.

Maybe when Lucas starts making Joe or Hasbro buys the Star Wars franchise will this make ANY sense, until then, please refrain from making nonsensical posts.

[zedhatch]

Well in fairness he was just talking about it, they didn't show it as he never got the chance.

I was more upset they never explained how Maul surived after TPM to be honest.

[Jettfire]

You know what I did this morning when Clone Wars came on and my kids were around? I set a reminder for the next showing tonight and turned the channel.

The remote is a remarkable thing.

[Troynos]

I've only seen a couple of episodes of Clone Wars.

Is it a kids cartoon? No. Do kids watch it? Yes.

In the few episodes I've seen: lots and lots of people have died, from clones to Jedi.

And I wouldn't call anything that comes on at 9 at night a kids show. Clone Wars is PG-13.


Oh yeah.. Hasbro has nothing to say about Clone Wars and the stories or dialogue. They're just happy it's popular and lets them sell a shit ton of toys.

[Smokebomb]

You know what I did this morning when Clone Wars came on and my kids were around? I set a reminder for the next showing tonight and turned the channel.

The remote is a remarkable thing.

Whats a remote?

[Troynos]

Funny story..

Our youngest dog ate the remote to our tv, so we can't change the volume or switch it from TV to DVD/XBox.

That means we have to actually get up and do it manually.

It's like we're living in the middle ages.

[Beckley]

So are you upset that there is rough talk in kids shows OR are you upset GI Joe cartoons don't have similar dialogue?

[Smokebomb]

When I was a kid...I was the remote. My dad would call me down from my room just to change the channel or volume.

[RolandofGilead]

I'm just pissed that they brought Maul back. I remember Lucas saying he deliberately showed Maul in two pieces so that the EU couldn't bring him back like Boba Fett.

[Owner of a Lonely B.A.T.]

Well...I see the point your trying to make and honestly I think 80's cartoon came more underpressure to put forth more than as it was so often put, "A 30 min toy commercial."

That has changed.

Now a days their really is no kids groups that feel that way, cartoons NOT having toys is nearly unheard of these days.


But here's the funniest part of the argument about violence in cartoons.

The Flintstones hawked smokes.

Flintstones Cigarette Commercial - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAExoSozc2c)

Warner Cartoons fully promoted war...
bugs bunny hitler - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cL67USFaS8)

Tom and Jerry took cartoon violence to perhaps all new levels.

And Disney....the end all be all of family entertainment, such things as racist crows, attempted murder (Snow White), and actual murder (The Lion King), and occult magic (Disney's Life Size).




And today's cartoons pretty much can go anywhere as shows like South Park and Family Guy have shown...and trust me...people do let kids watch those shows as well...and they too have toys.





Honestly 80's cartoons simply were caught in a wave of self righteous people who simply wanted nothing more than to impose their views on anything they could...cartoons had to have a moral, and PSA, music had to be censored and albums labeled...movies needed to add a special new PG13 rating, and eventually video games rated as well...now even TV shows.

And honestly does ANYONE pay attention to these completely pointless ratings? I mean I don't even know what the TV ratings are...but I know well enough to watch a damn show before I let my 3 year old nephew watch it especially if I'm not sure of content, but honestly if you don't have some idea if a child should watch say.......Law & Order: Special Victims Unit, vs letting them watch.....Go Diego Go....then your a moron and ratings are likely not gonna matter anyway.

[Zefram]

So I am watching the new episdoe of Clone Wars "Revenge" and Darth Maul whipped out his lightsaber and told Obiwon that he will enjoy cutting into OW and "hopes that every cut is Excruciating and will enjoy WATCHING HIS DEATH."

WOW, Hold On, Penalty, throw the flag. Since when in the 1980s best generation of cartoons did our shows talk about cutting into people and enjoy watching their death? This is BS Hasbro! Is Hasbro okay with this type of Trash dialouge in a Kids show, why no effort in GI Joe cartoon?

So parents would rather have their kids watch characters talking up cutting someone in pieces and hope their die in excruciating pain and will take pleasure in watching them die??? Really, you parents out their are cool with that but aren't okay with GI Joe?

WTF is up with that???

CRY SOME MORE! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_cSnpoKMMk)

[Zarana]

Flint once said "heck" in an episode of the sun bow series. That kind of salty talk wasn't allowed in my house.

[bigvig]

Clone Wars comes on at 8pm est Friday nights, 9:30am Saturday & Sunday mornings (among other times), and its definitely a kids show.

[Beckley]

In GI Joe: The Movie didn't Golubulus say he was gonna stain his hands with Falcon's blood?

[zedhatch]

Oh yeah.. Hasbro has nothing to say about Clone Wars and the stories or dialogue. They're just happy it's popular and lets them sell a shit ton of toys.

Actually the funny thing about that is (after years of claiming the contrary) Hasbro said in NYTF that Clone Wars hasn't been selling that great and are cutting back now. That's why there are only two waves known right now. Hasbro has said they are putting Clone Wars on the back burner.

[Beckley]

Hasbro has said they are putting Clone Wars on the back burner.

Thank God. I was hoping they would produce 18 more versions of X-Wing Luke.

[Dream]

Cool story bro!

[RuckusJr]

This is WAY worse than the line in the Clone Wars episode.

Transformers the Movie (1986) - profanity - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItLgYuDaqMQ)

[Cobra80]

I hate the internet...I don't mind that people have their own opinions, just that they share them.

How are you connecting a Star Wars program with a GI Joe program? There is NO logic in this post. Hasbro only makes the toys, Lucasfilms does the television show. Last time I checked, Prime Time television on cable channels isn't exactly kid-friendly. And just because its a cartoon it isn't necessarily kid-friendly either.

Maybe when Lucas starts making Joe or Hasbro buys the Star Wars franchise will this make ANY sense, until then, please refrain from making nonsensical posts.


I am saying that IN GENERAL why does SW CW get a FREE PASS to expose kids to people chopping off heads with lightsabers and that is all okay.

[Cobra80]

I hate the internet...I don't mind that people have their own opinions, just that they share them.

How are you connecting a Star Wars program with a GI Joe program? There is NO logic in this post. Hasbro only makes the toys, Lucasfilms does the television show. Last time I checked, Prime Time television on cable channels isn't exactly kid-friendly. And just because its a cartoon it isn't necessarily kid-friendly either.

Maybe when Lucas starts making Joe or Hasbro buys the Star Wars franchise will this make ANY sense, until then, please refrain from making nonsensical posts.


You preach about you don't mind people having opinions as long as they don't share them. Then why the hell did you pipe in your worthless 2 cents?

[Cobra80]

So are you upset that there is rough talk in kids shows OR are you upset GI Joe cartoons don't have similar dialogue?

I am just trying to figure out why if parents are cool with kids watching SW CW with all the killing and crap that goes on in that show its cool. But if something like that happened in a Joe cartoon I am sure some parents would be upset and wouldn't let their kids watch it.

[Cobra80]

Sorry, I am deleting this topic because RuckusJr says "I hate the internet...I don't mind that people have their own opinions, just that they share them."

Thanks RJr

[Jmacq1]

You may not want to hear it, but it's absolutely the truth: "Fantasy Violence" gets a WAY bigger latitude in the US than "realistic" violence.

The battle between Lurtz and Aragorn at the end of Fellowship of the Ring would have been a straight-up R rating if Lurtz were a human and red "human" blood was being spilled.

Likewise, Star Wars lightsaber and blaster violence tends to get a pass because it's "bloodless." Not really something you can pull off with a Ninja sword (at least not without it being silly).

I would also note: You got what seems to be exactly the kind of Joe cartoon you wanted with Resolute. I don't recall any parents complaining. But yes, if they started showing Roadblock exploding Cobra Troopers' heads like ripe melons with .50 caliber rounds...yeah, that's not gonna fly on a "kids" show.

I'm not 100 percent certain, but I think the reason "fantasy/sci-fi" violence gets more leeway is because the idea is that kids can't actually emulate it because things like blasters and lightsabers aren't real. Whereas guns (the preferred weapon of G.I. Joe) very much are (the reason they're almost always made into "lasers" on the animated programs). Little Billy can't rummage in daddy's closet and find a functioning Lightsaber, but he might find a hunting rifle that he could shoot Joey the neighbor kid with.

Is it silly? Sure, but it's a double-standard we've been living with for decades now.

Sorry, I am deleting this topic because RuckusJr says "I hate the internet...I don't mind that people have their own opinions, just that they share them."

Thanks RJr

Wow. Is this your first time on the internet?

[Cobra80]

You may not want to hear it, but it's absolutely the truth: "Fantasy Violence" gets a WAY bigger latitude in the US than "realistic" violence.

The battle between Lurtz and Aragorn at the end of Fellowship of the Ring would have been a straight-up R rating if Lurtz were a human and red "human" blood was being spilled.

Likewise, Star Wars lightsaber and blaster violence tends to get a pass because it's "bloodless." Not really something you can pull off with a Ninja sword (at least not without it being silly).

I would also note: You got what seems to be exactly the kind of Joe cartoon you wanted with Resolute. I don't recall any parents complaining. But yes, if they started showing Roadblock exploding Cobra Troopers' heads like ripe melons with .50 caliber rounds...yeah, that's not gonna fly on a "kids" show.

I'm not 100 percent certain, but I think the reason "fantasy/sci-fi" violence gets more leeway is because the idea is that kids can't actually emulate it because things like blasters and lightsabers aren't real. Whereas guns (the preferred weapon of G.I. Joe) very much are (the reason they're almost always made into "lasers" on the animated programs). Little Billy can't rummage in daddy's closet and find a functioning Lightsaber, but he might find a hunting rifle that he could shoot Joey the neighbor kid with.

Is it silly? Sure, but it's a double-standard we've been living with for decades now.



Wow. Is this your first time on the internet? No, but I forgot to run this question by RuckusJr before posting. Where is my manners?

Thanks Jmacq1, you pretty much explained what I was trying to get at. I see what you mean.

[Cobra80]

I remember reading stories abou groups of parents against the Gi Joe toons of the 80's for being violent. So ARAH used red and blue laser guns and not okay. STAR WARS CLONE WARS uses red and blue lightsabers cutting of heads and that is acceptable right?

Why is there a double standard when it comes to GI Joe cartoons and SW CW? That is what I was asking about.

[Troynos]

And it was answered above.

Fantasy/Sci-Fi gets away with it because it's not something that kids can emulate.

It's fantasy, there are no real world elements.

That's why it got away with it compared to the Joe toon.



And it's not really a double standard. It's different genres. Rules are different for the different genres.


Like a mature rated military cartoon can get away with alot more then a PG-13 rated military cartoon which can have more then a G rated military cartoon.

[Jmacq1]

I remember reading stories abou groups of parents against the Gi Joe toons of the 80's for being violent. So ARAH used red and blue laser guns and not okay. STAR WARS CLONE WARS uses red and blue lightsabers cutting of heads and that is acceptable right?

Why is there a double standard when it comes to GI Joe cartoons and SW CW? That is what I was asking about.

And it was answered above.

Fantasy/Sci-Fi gets away with it because it's not something that kids can emulate.

It's fantasy, there are no real world elements.

That's why it got away with it compared to the Joe toon.



And it's not really a double standard. It's different genres. Rules are different for the different genres.


Like a mature rated military cartoon can get away with alot more then a PG-13 rated military cartoon which can have more then a G rated military cartoon.

Also: Comparing a broadcast network show from the 80's to a cable show from the 2000s is not a fair comparison. The regulations and restrictions are vastly different, as is the social environment they were each released into.

In other words, getting pissed that Clone Wars is more violent than the old Joe toons is nonsensical. A more fair comparison would be Clone Wars and Renegades, and I think we can all agree that Renegades was far more violent than the 80's Joe toon (though once again, most of that violence was against nonhuman opponents/bio-vipers). Swords actually cut things/people, people actually get hit with those red and blue lasers, and folks end up horribly scarred in explosions/etc... Bad guys don't always parachute out of the vehicle before it explodes...all things we wouldn't have seen in the 80's, and that's not even getting into Resolute.

So actually no, there isn't really a double-standard between Joe and Star Wars at present. The most recent Joe cartoons have been far more violent than the 80's version, but it's still been "fantasy" violence. The 80's toon is irrelevant if you're comparing it to Clone Wars. It's been 20+ years of changing social mores between them. It'd be like complaining that the old Brady Bunch show didn't deal strongly enough with teenage sexuality and drug culture, or that the Andy Griffith Show didn't realistically portray police procedures. It was a different time when those shows were made, and they reflect what viewers of that particular time found acceptable and entertaining.

[bigvig]

You may not want to hear it, but it's absolutely the truth: "Fantasy Violence" gets a WAY bigger latitude in the US than "realistic" violence.

The battle between Lurtz and Aragorn at the end of Fellowship of the Ring would have been a straight-up R rating if Lurtz were a human and red "human" blood was being spilled.

Likewise, Star Wars lightsaber and blaster violence tends to get a pass because it's "bloodless." Not really something you can pull off with a Ninja sword (at least not without it being silly).

I would also note: You got what seems to be exactly the kind of Joe cartoon you wanted with Resolute. I don't recall any parents complaining. But yes, if they started showing Roadblock exploding Cobra Troopers' heads like ripe melons with .50 caliber rounds...yeah, that's not gonna fly on a "kids" show.

I'm not 100 percent certain, but I think the reason "fantasy/sci-fi" violence gets more leeway is because the idea is that kids can't actually emulate it because things like blasters and lightsabers aren't real. Whereas guns (the preferred weapon of G.I. Joe) very much are (the reason they're almost always made into "lasers" on the animated programs). Little Billy can't rummage in daddy's closet and find a functioning Lightsaber, but he might find a hunting rifle that he could shoot Joey the neighbor kid with.

Is it silly? Sure, but it's a double-standard we've been living with for decades now.

100% accurate

[USAgent]

80's joes at least got to punch each other- 70's Superfriends (the Wendy and marvin version) couldn't even fight. And if superman did throw a punch it had to be at something that was not remotely human looking in any way. 80's joe was a violent and brutal show in comparison to the 70's version of the justice league. Times (and Cable vs. Public Television) have changed a lot since then

[slim19722]

80's Joe's werent allowed to show "real guns" & "bullet gunfire" hence why there where laser guns & sounds, but I've been watching the Rambo cartoon which came out in the 80's and not only did they have the sounds of "real gunfire" but they had "real guns", Kat carried 2 Mac 10's and Rambo was seen a few times with his M60.

Also was watching the old Johnny Quest cartoon and not only did they use real guns, but people got killed on that show(I know the show came out in the late 60's before all the tv regulations reguarding kids programming was in effect and that show caught flak for all the violence).

[RuckusJr]

Wow I got 4 replies from the same dude for one post. That's the sorta stuff that crazy is made of. Add to that the PMs he sent me, and it looks like I have an admirer. What a sweetheart. If I was into dudes, you'd totally be #1 on my list.

[Bujo]

Well in fairness he was just talking about it, they didn't show it as he never got the chance.

I was more upset they never explained how Maul surived after TPM to be honest.

Fingers crossed they're retconning The Phantom Menace out of existence.



You know what I did this morning when Clone Wars came on and my kids were around? I set a reminder for the next showing tonight and turned the channel.

The remote is a remarkable thing.

I've only seen a couple of episodes of Clone Wars.

Is it a kids cartoon? No. Do kids watch it? Yes.


I thought SW: Clone Wars was a kids program. I haven't seen the last season, so has the show gotten to violent for kids or something? Or is it more aimed at teens?