Environmentalism is not a bad word

[minstrelboy]

I'm going to try to redirect some issues from another thread:

http://www.hisstank.com/forum/general-discussion/20349-things-everyone-thinks-you-should-hate-but-you-dont-6.html

To briefly recap, some sparks flew when someone said we needed to start drilling on American soil, while saying that Global Warming is a myth, along with some other things.

I do not label myself an environmentalist. The biggest thing I do is pick up other people's litter. But it's something. I'm starting to recycle. If everyone would pitch in and do a little, we can all make this a better (and cleaner) place to live.

The human race's dependency on oil is not destroying the planet, because the planet will long outlive the human race, but it's killing US. We're fighting wars for this shit, man! I've said it before, and I'll say it again - the internal combustion engine is primitive. There are newer resources that are cleaner, cheaper and more abundant in the works. There are garbage disposal units in development that use fusion to completely destroy any and all garbage, while making surplus electricity. There are plenty of viable alternative sources of electricity that do work - yes, wind works and delivers an abundance of energy, when the turbines are designed efficiently, and the ocean is being looked to next for what is possibly the largest source of untapped energy on our planet. All the while, looking at the financial crisis our economy is going through, where our dependency on oil is at least partly to blame (humanity's greed for power and wealth is the larger demon to slay there), in addition to more and more medical evidence piling up that all oil-based products are the source of most cancers, and we need to find another way. Yes, the state of Montana sits on top of the known largest shale oil deposit in the world. But so what? The demand is well beyond the grasp of manufacturers to supply. It's not the answer. Time to look for another solution.

Preservation of this planet, the way it is, is necessary for the human race to have a future. We're continually encroaching, spreading out further and farther from already overcrowded (not to mention drug-addled and crime-ridden) cities. The part in the first Matrix where Agent Smith alludes us to a virus is bang-on. And closed-mindedness will not make this any better of a place to live - for me or my daughter, or any of her offspring.

It reminds me of the argument smokers constantly make. Now, I used to be a smoker myself. I smoked for around 8-10 years. I quit 3 years ago. But with all of the smoking bans (which I applaud), the only argument they have is, "It's my right to smoke where I want." True. It is your right. I spent 8 years in the Army ensuring you have that right to throw your money away and blacken your lungs. But it's also MY right and the right of everyone else who DOESN'T want to smoke to NOT have to be a part of that. Then they retort, "Well then leave." Well, no. That doesn't give us the right to be where we want to be breathing clean air. If you're the one who wants to smoke, then you need to be responsible enough to go somewhere where it won't bother anyone. I always kept that in mind when I smoked.

So the argument goes, that there the scientific proof that what we're doing to the planet is made up by the media, which is a bit naive, not to mention paranoid. I'm as distrustful of the media as anyone - that's why I read scientific journals. But wait, if they're in on it also, then who are you going to believe? Global Warming isn't really caused by us. There's plenty of evidence that the planet goes through a cycle of heating up and cooling down. And while there are a lot of steps we can (and should) take to make this world a better place, just because of decent, human responsibility, there are those of us (who at times seem to be the majority) that can't look past their own interests. Well, it's your right, isn't it?

Wrong.

Is it your right to drive a car? No. It's a privilege. To continue to do so, you need to do so responsibly. Obey the posted speed limits, know all of the traffic laws, and get off the phone and pay attention to your surroundings. Is it your right to have children? It shouldn't be - not without first proving that you're a suitable parent, and can care and provide for those children. But then you get into a whole other debate over 'who decides what's fit or unfit', and I'm not getting into that. Let's just say - not any church.

Americans have an unbelievable sense of entitlement, and it's spreading far and wide throughout other countries as well. (And before you label me as anti-American, remember I served this country for 8 years.) We all need to step back and re-evaluate the lives we're living. Because it's all our world, and the things we do here affect all of us.

[delta]

Some pretty closed minded folks on here sometimes.

Keep fighting the good fight minstrelboy

[minstrelboy]

And another thing - I don't go in with that granola-eating, tree hugging, peace and love hippie crowd. I hate them as much as any other "affiliation". Why can't people think for themselves? Why must they "belong"? I understand that to live in this modern age (which I don't remember agreeing to in the first place), that certain sacrifices must be made on the environment's part. Cut down trees - they're one of the most renewable sources we have. It's all the other stuff - garbage, pollution, people who dump their used motor oil in the gutter, or the creek out back. Sure, it came out of the ground, but not where you're dumping it. Dispose of it properly. Sheesh.

Thanks, Delta.

[delta]

Not all people worried about the environment are "granola-eating, tree hugging, peace and love hippies" (though peace, and love ain't bad at all). I understand the need to defend yourself around here though.

I said I like art on here last week, and some guys tried to call me out for being the "artsy fartsy" type. Wich is not the case at all.

Trust Me I get what your saying.

[MachineGunEtiquette]

Right On kids!
Lets start a political discussion!
BTW, I am pro environment, anti-animal creulty, and all that stuff....
but most importantly I am anti-hippy and anti pretentious artsy fartsy.....and I have a degree in Art

BTW, if Environmentalism is not a bad word neither is "Non-conservative"

[delta]

I am anti-hippy and anti pretentious artsy fartsy.....and I have a degree in Art


All Hippies ain't bad man. They had Jimmi Hendrix, MC5, Neil Young, Rocky Ericson.
All the Hippies now want to play bluegrass!?!? What happend to the crazy electric psychedelic Hippies? Stuff like that was awesome.

Theese guys were some pretty bad ass hippies!! YouTube - Bonniwell Music Machine - Eagle Never Hunts The Fly (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEEi2FvptSw)

[spacemonkeymafia]

Why Yall Hating on Hippies?

[MachineGunEtiquette]

All Hippies ain't bad man. They had Jimmi Hendrix, MC5, Neil Young, Rocky Ericson.
All the Hippies now want to play bluegrass!?!? What happend to the crazy electric psychedelic Hippies? Stuff like that was awesome.

Theese guys were some pretty bad ass hippies!! YouTube - Bonniwell Music Machine - Eagle Never Hunts The Fly (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEEi2FvptSw)

alright, well lets look at that.
Hendrix. Ok, so the guy was a hippy...and a decent guitarist. But the exception is proving the rule. Why weren't they all like him. Kinda into piece, but into heavy music.
Mc5? They were punk as F**K before F**K was punk. Same with the Stooges...who are my gods.
Roky Ericson, he was insane anyway. Doesn't mean I still don't wear out Creature with The Atom Brain on occasion. (Oh and he was also on the Return of The Living Dead soundtrack)
and Neil Young was more of a weirdo, like Manson, who ended up in the hippy scene by default.
Most of these were the prototype of punk/hardcore/metal in a manner of speaking.
It's kind of the way that Robert Johnson is an ancestor of Black Sabbath.

Not trying to discredit anything you have said by any means....just saying i can justify my dislike of hippies to myself.

and the big thing i hate about hippies is they preach change and unity etc. and then they were too lazy and drugged out to do anythign about it....they were also too trusting of the wrong people....and their music sucked.

[minstrelboy]

and the big thing i hate about hippies is they preach change and unity etc. and then they were too lazy and drugged out to do anythign about it....they were also too trusting of the wrong people....and their music sucked.

Exactly. That, and the discovery that "free love" didn't accomplish anything but found a whole generation of people who hated them. Punk rock.

Reminds me of The Dead Kennedy's 'Kinky Sex Makes The World Go Round':

"Don't worry about those protestors - just pump up the drug supply."

[spacemonkeymafia]

Their music sucked my ass.........please dont go there......because the Stooges aint all that........


The first wave of punk rock aimed to be aggressively modern, distancing itself from the bombast and sentimentality of early 1970s rock.[2] According to Ramones drummer Tommy Ramone, "In its initial form, a lot of [1960s] stuff was innovative and exciting. Unfortunately, what happens is that people who could not hold a candle to the likes of Hendrix started noodling away. Soon you had endless solos that went nowhere. By 1973, I knew that what was needed was some pure, stripped down, no bullshit rock 'n' roll."[3] John Holmstrom, founding editor of Punk magazine, recalls feeling "punk rock had to come along because the rock scene had become so tame that [acts] like Billy Joel and Simon and Garfunkel were being called rock and roll, when to me and other fans, rock and roll meant this wild and rebellious music."[4] In critic Robert Christgau's description, "It was also a subculture that scornfully rejected the political idealism and Californian flower-power silliness of hippie myth."[5] Patti Smith, in contrast, suggests in the documentary 25 Years of Punk that the hippies and the punk rockers were linked by a common anti-establishment mentality.

[MachineGunEtiquette]

Their music sucked my ass.........please dont go there......because the Stooges aint all that........

I am lost.
do you have a story about their music sucking your ass? Was it so painful that you don't want to go there?

sorry, had to.


anyway, the Stooges may not be "all that" but last time i heard they were in fact All that, a bag of chips and two twinkies.
and an awesomely great rock and roll band.

[spacemonkeymafia]

Explain.
Elaborate.

Then get shot down.

as far as the stooges.
they may not be "all that" but they are quite possibly one of the greatest band ever.

Dude I like punk music but dont say the Hippie music sucked when Hippies and punk share one thing in common.......

Again.......

The first wave of punk rock aimed to be aggressively modern, distancing itself from the bombast and sentimentality of early 1970s rock.[2] According to Ramones drummer Tommy Ramone, "In its initial form, a lot of [1960s] stuff was innovative and exciting. Unfortunately, what happens is that people who could not hold a candle to the likes of Hendrix started noodling away. Soon you had endless solos that went nowhere. By 1973, I knew that what was needed was some pure, stripped down, no bullshit rock 'n' roll."[3] John Holmstrom, founding editor of Punk magazine, recalls feeling "punk rock had to come along because the rock scene had become so tame that [acts] like Billy Joel and Simon and Garfunkel were being called rock and roll, when to me and other fans, rock and roll meant this wild and rebellious music."[4] In critic Robert Christgau's description, "It was also a subculture that scornfully rejected the political idealism and Californian flower-power silliness of hippie myth."[5] Patti Smith, in contrast, suggests in the documentary 25 Years of Punk that the hippies and the punk rockers were linked by a common anti-establishment mentality.

So shoot me down...............Because i like the Stoogies, Sex pistols, Ramones, Patti...........Black Flagg, but I also like The Stones.....Beatles.....Floyd.......Zep........CSNY ..........

[spacemonkeymafia]

Sorry the best band of all time would be the Beatles.........

But if it wasnt for punk then we would have never gotten the EMO music.........yay....

[MachineGunEtiquette]

Sorry the best band of all time would be the Beatles.........

You take that back.

and thats awesome that you like good music.

But the beatles suck.

They in fact suck my ass.

sorry for hijacking the thread, on a side note. Trees rule. Punks Rule. Punks who love Trees Rule. Hippies are Iffy and quite possibly nasty.

[spacemonkeymafia]

You take that back.

and thats awesome that you like good music.

But the beatles suck.

They in fact suck my ass.

You couldnt afford to have them suck on your ass.......but then again they did have taste........

If it werent for the Beatles...you wouldnt be listening to a damn thing you do today........because record producers would still be writing the bands music and lyrics........Which is also funny because for a band you hate they sure lived a punk life style long before it was ever cool to say so..........

[spacemonkeymafia]

You take that back.

and thats awesome that you like good music.

But the beatles suck.

They in fact suck my ass.

sorry for hijacking the thread, on a side note. Trees rule. Punks Rule. Punks who love Trees Rule. Hippies are Iffy and quite possibly nasty.

Thats funny cause most punks dont look like they had a shower in a year

[Unclassified]

I'm going to try to redirect some issues from another thread:

http://www.hisstank.com/forum/general-discussion/20349-things-everyone-thinks-you-should-hate-but-you-dont-6.html

To briefly recap, some sparks flew when someone said we needed to start drilling on American soil, while saying that Global Warming is a myth, along with some other things.

I do not label myself an environmentalist. The biggest thing I do is pick up other people's litter. But it's something. I'm starting to recycle. If everyone would pitch in and do a little, we can all make this a better (and cleaner) place to live.

The human race's dependency on oil is not destroying the planet, because the planet will long outlive the human race, but it's killing US. We're fighting wars for this shit, man! I've said it before, and I'll say it again - the internal combustion engine is primitive. There are newer resources that are cleaner, cheaper and more abundant in the works. There are garbage disposal units in development that use fusion to completely destroy any and all garbage, while making surplus electricity. There are plenty of viable alternative sources of electricity that do work - yes, wind works and delivers an abundance of energy, when the turbines are designed efficiently, and the ocean is being looked to next for what is possibly the largest source of untapped energy on our planet. All the while, looking at the financial crisis our economy is going through, where our dependency on oil is at least partly to blame (humanity's greed for power and wealth is the larger demon to slay there), in addition to more and more medical evidence piling up that all oil-based products are the source of most cancers, and we need to find another way. Yes, the state of Montana sits on top of the known largest shale oil deposit in the world. But so what? The demand is well beyond the grasp of manufacturers to supply. It's not the answer. Time to look for another solution.

Preservation of this planet, the way it is, is necessary for the human race to have a future. We're continually encroaching, spreading out further and farther from already overcrowded (not to mention drug-addled and crime-ridden) cities. The part in the first Matrix where Agent Smith alludes us to a virus is bang-on. And closed-mindedness will not make this any better of a place to live - for me or my daughter, or any of her offspring.

It reminds me of the argument smokers constantly make. Now, I used to be a smoker myself. I smoked for around 8-10 years. I quit 3 years ago. But with all of the smoking bans (which I applaud), the only argument they have is, "It's my right to smoke where I want." True. It is your right. I spent 8 years in the Army ensuring you have that right to throw your money away and blacken your lungs. But it's also MY right and the right of everyone else who DOESN'T want to smoke to NOT have to be a part of that. Then they retort, "Well then leave." Well, no. That doesn't give us the right to be where we want to be breathing clean air. If you're the one who wants to smoke, then you need to be responsible enough to go somewhere where it won't bother anyone. I always kept that in mind when I smoked.

So the argument goes, that there the scientific proof that what we're doing to the planet is made up by the media, which is a bit naive, not to mention paranoid. I'm as distrustful of the media as anyone - that's why I read scientific journals. But wait, if they're in on it also, then who are you going to believe? Global Warming isn't really caused by us. There's plenty of evidence that the planet goes through a cycle of heating up and cooling down. And while there are a lot of steps we can (and should) take to make this world a better place, just because of decent, human responsibility, there are those of us (who at times seem to be the majority) that can't look past their own interests. Well, it's your right, isn't it?

Wrong.

Is it your right to drive a car? No. It's a privilege. To continue to do so, you need to do so responsibly. Obey the posted speed limits, know all of the traffic laws, and get off the phone and pay attention to your surroundings. Is it your right to have children? It shouldn't be - not without first proving that you're a suitable parent, and can care and provide for those children. But then you get into a whole other debate over 'who decides what's fit or unfit', and I'm not getting into that. Let's just say - not any church.

Americans have an unbelievable sense of entitlement, and it's spreading far and wide throughout other countries as well. (And before you label me as anti-American, remember I served this country for 8 years.) We all need to step back and re-evaluate the lives we're living. Because it's all our world, and the things we do here affect all of us.

i agree 100% nah 1000% infinite!!

[spacemonkeymafia]

Sorry Op........love your original post.........and your right....

[minstrelboy]

Their music sucked my ass.........please dont go there......because the Stooges aint all that........


The first wave of punk rock aimed to be aggressively modern, distancing itself from the bombast and sentimentality of early 1970s rock.[2] According to Ramones drummer Tommy Ramone, "In its initial form, a lot of [1960s] stuff was innovative and exciting. Unfortunately, what happens is that people who could not hold a candle to the likes of Hendrix started noodling away. Soon you had endless solos that went nowhere. By 1973, I knew that what was needed was some pure, stripped down, no bullshit rock 'n' roll."[3] John Holmstrom, founding editor of Punk magazine, recalls feeling "punk rock had to come along because the rock scene had become so tame that [acts] like Billy Joel and Simon and Garfunkel were being called rock and roll, when to me and other fans, rock and roll meant this wild and rebellious music."[4] In critic Robert Christgau's description, "It was also a subculture that scornfully rejected the political idealism and Californian flower-power silliness of hippie myth."[5] Patti Smith, in contrast, suggests in the documentary 25 Years of Punk that the hippies and the punk rockers were linked by a common anti-establishment mentality.

Unfortunately, they were both a lot of talk and no action. If you want to change the world, the way to NOT do it is through music and peaceful demonstrations. Revolution.

I do like a lot of "hippie" music, like Neil Young, but as far as people, I thought the whole notion of beatnik, hippie, bohemian whatever is just too flakey. And while I like the Beatles, they're waaaay overrated. They were influenced by Bob Dylan (another artist I don't really "get" - good song writer, terrible singer) and Buddy Holly (awesome!) who wrote all their own music. So to say we'd still be listening to producer-written music (?) isn't true. Artists were writing their own music way before then - Glen Miller, Leadbelly, Bill Haley, and on and on, the whole way back to Debussey and Mozart.

[Lantern_Lad]

Great post Minstrelboy!

You guys want to see an exercise in horror, watch the movie: 'Jesus Camp'. It takes on some of these issues... in a very disturbing way.

[spacemonkeymafia]

Unfortunately, they were both a lot of talk and no action. If you want to change the world, the way to NOT do it is through music and peaceful demonstrations. Revolution.

I do like a lot of "hippie" music, like Neil Young, but as far as people, I thought the whole notion of beatnik, hippie, bohemian whatever is just too flakey.

Well John Lennon went out there and did stuff.......but lets be real here......Ive done my fair share of Drugs in my time....no more Ill add.....but I know a little bout a little...........They were all drugged up to go do anything........lol.

But they did do stuff like rallies.....protests......But really is there anything wrong with some peace and love?

Just being happy with life.........I love punk music...but I love ALL music...because in truth to me Music is the key to the Universe (And Math).......

What got/gets me about punk music is why are you so damn angry all the time?

Emos.....why are so damn Emotional and why do you think a woman that looks like a 9 year old boy is sexy?

[MachineGunEtiquette]

You couldnt afford to have them suck on your ass.......but then again they did have taste........

If it werent for the Beatles...you wouldnt be listening to a damn thing you do today........because record producers would still be writing the bands music and lyrics........Which is also funny because for a band you hate they sure lived a punk life style long before it was ever cool to say so..........

by this line of logic, and by the fact that I do enjoy music, I should also technically love cavemen beating on rocks, since that was the first time sound was organized. By its definition music is organized sound.
So since we would not have Led Zeppelin today if cavemen didn't beat on rocks and some pansy minstrel didnt put strings on a hollow piece of wood, I should like that?

I say "Bah".
It's like saying you have to like your mother-in-law because she produced your wife.

and yes, Revolution rocks.
go ask George Washington, and Jefferson who put the second amendment in the constitution as a way of saying it was our right and duty to have one every once in a while.

[Lantern_Lad]

How, exactly, did this thread turn into a bash-fest of peoples musical loves?

I dig the Beatles, Black Flag, Pink Floyd, The Stooges... It's all good. Music speaks to everyone differently, I don't get most rap or (all) Country, but that doesn't mean I'm going to bash their fans for it...

Strangely enough... I also like my mother-in-law.

[spacemonkeymafia]

by this line of logic, and by the fact that I do enjoy music, I should also technically love cavemen beating on rocks, since that was the first time sound was organized. By its definition music is organized sound.
So since we would not have Led Zeppelin today if cavemen didn't beat on rocks and some pansy minstrel didnt put strings on a hollow piece of wood, I should like that?

I say "Bah".
It's like saying you have to like your mother-in-law because she produced your wife.

and yes, Revolution rocks.
go ask George Washington, and Jefferson who put the second amendment in the constitution as a way of saying it was our right and duty to have one every once in a while.


Well I think music came long before a Caveman beat on some rocks.....there is music in everyday life just outside your window.....

I just find it crazy that you hate Hippie Music when punk and it share common ground........

[spacemonkeymafia]

How, exactly, did this thread turn into a bash-fest of peoples musical loves?

I dig the Beatles, Black Flag, Pink Floyd, The Stooges... It's all good. Music speaks to everyone differently, I don't get most rap or (all) Country, but that doesn't mean I'm going to bash their fans for it...

Strangely enough... I also like my mother-in-law.

It started because someone said Hippie music sucked........

[Lantern_Lad]

And it went this far?

Wow... everyone thinks that someone else's music sucks...

[delta]

Sorry the best band of all time would be the Beatles.........
They were great, and also hippies, but saying the Beatles was the best band is like saying Michael Jordan was the best Basketball player. We all know it's true, but there is so much more out there than the Beatles. The Kinks (non hippies) really gave the Beatles a bigger run for there money than people give them credit for. Watch this dude, and tell me it's not at least as good as the Beatles (it kicks there asses IMO) YouTube - The Kinks - Dead End Street (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0WPC-N3UYE)

Dude I like punk music but dont say the Hippie music sucked when Hippies and punk share one thing in common........
Punk had the whole Gay English sub culture thing going, but yeah F the Man!!
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anyway, the Stooges may not be "all that" but last time i heard they were in fact All that, a bag of chips and two twinkies.
and an awesomely great rock and roll band.
Iggy was a hippy man you can't deny it! A bad ass hippie, but you can't tell me Him (and Danzig, and alice cooper for that matter) didin't have some records by the Doors!

alright, well lets look at that.
Hendrix. Ok, so the guy was a hippy...and a decent guitarist. But the exception is proving the rule. Why weren't they all like him. Kinda into piece, but into heavy music. . You got me man. I been trying to figure that out myself for years!

Mc5? They were punk as F**K before F**K was punk. Same with the Stooges...who are my gods. Mc5 were activist aka in some circles as Hippies.

Roky Ericson, he was insane anyway. Doesn't mean I still don't wear out Creature with The Atom Brain on occasion. (Oh and he was also on the Return of The Living Dead soundtrack)
He was Rad, and also a big time hippie back in the day! YouTube - 13th floor elevators:Thru the rythm (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d58XiqYuPB0)
Didin't know that about the Return of The Living Dead soundtrack thats awesome!

and Neil Young was more of a weirdo, like Manson, who ended up in the hippy scene by default. True he did do his best work outside of working with CSN. Can't deny the Hippie connection though. It's better than being called "the grand daddy of grunge!".
Most of these were the prototype of punk/hardcore/metal in a manner of speaking. Exactly dude, and they were Hippies!!


Not trying to discredit anything you have said by any means....just saying i can justify my dislike of hippies to myself. Belive Me I understand Your dislike for them. They are useless now. The revolution didin't happen they all conformed by the 80's. They need to give the F up. However it was a good idea at the time, it just didin't work.
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Their music sucked my ass.........please dont go there......because the Stooges aint all that........

Sorry man thats just wrong. The stooges ruled, and ruled royaly
YouTube - The Stooges - 1969 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ojti8oEZI7g)

[delta]

I don't get most rap or (all) Country,
Here ya go man.
YouTube - Trace Adkins - Honky Tonk Badonkadonk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3dHxAYYXhc)
What don't you get about it? lol! j/k

[spacemonkeymafia]

They were great, and also hippies, but saying the Beatles was the best band is like saying Michael Jordan was the best Basketball player. We all know it's true, but there is so much more out there than the Beatles. The Kinks (non hippies) really gave the Beatles a bigger run for there money than people give them credit for. Watch this dude, and tell me it's not at least as good as the Beatles (it kiks there asses IMO) YouTube - The Kinks - Dead End Street (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0WPC-N3UYE)



Sorry man thats just wrong. The stooges ruled, and ruled royaly
YouTube - The Stooges - 1969 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ojti8oEZI7g)

Dude I love the Stooges and they do rock but to me dont come any where near Floyd, or The Beatles........

And dont think i listen to just the Beatles.........dude my music taste range from.........Classical......Hippie...punk.....80s. ....classic Rock....heavey Meatl.........hair metal......Ska........Motown.....country.....rap.. .....Folk......Bluegrass.....
Love songs......Beach Music......Regga.......

[minstrelboy]

Great post Minstrelboy!

You guys want to see an exercise in horror, watch the movie: 'Jesus Camp'. It takes on some of these issues... in a very disturbing way.

My girlfriend watched that movie. I heard it from the next room, and I was mortified by it. I could not go look at it.

Why oh why did natural selection have to die out?

[delta]

Dude I love the Stooges and they do rock but to me dont come any where near Floyd, or The Beatles........

And dont think i listen to just the Beatles.........dude my music taste range from.........Classical......Hippie...punk.....80s. ....classic Rock....heavey Meatl.........hair metal......Ska........Motown.....country.....rap.. .....Folk......Bluegrass.....
Love songs......Beach Music......Regga.......
I have to respect that.

Friend request on the way!!!

[minstrelboy]

To quote Machinehead:

"Let freedom ring with a shotgun blast!"

I can't believe I just quoted Machinehead.

I must say, I hate musicians who use their clout to make a stand for the environment. You make the rest of us look like idiots. Well, musicians, actors, what have you. They all pretty much should stick to doing what they're doing. Don't tell me what to care for, don't tell me I need to vote, just go back to doing what you're doing, and try not to suck. I can get down to nearly everything (except Gangsta, but only because it glorifies street violence, and that new crap they try to pass off as country - that it ain't), but you get paid (ridiculously) to entertain, not to tell me what I should be thinking about. Sod off.

[delta]

What got/gets me about punk music is why are you so damn angry all the time?
When your young, and smart the world can be an infuriating place. When your old and smart you just get cynical

Emos.....why are so damn Emotional and why do you think a woman that looks like a 9 year old boy is sexy?

WTF is Emo?

[spacemonkeymafia]

When your young, and smart the world can be an infuriating place. When your old and smart you just get cynical



WTF is Emo?

LOL..................Emo music which came from Punk......Youve seen these little buggers out somewhere....maybe the mall near or in Hot Topic.....

[spacemonkeymafia]

Ok we ned to get back on track Im sorry OP.......I take the blame here........

[delta]

LOL..................Emo music which came from Punk......Youve seen these little buggers out somewhere....maybe the mall near or in Hot Topic.....

Thats the best explination any one can give me when I ask. I know what those kids look like but what do they sound like?

The only music void of all emotion i can think of is Kraftwerk, and they are awesome YouTube - Kraftwerk - The Robots (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXa9tXcMhXQ)

[minstrelboy]

Well, I say emo was started my The Smiths and Morrissey (whom I'm a big fan of), but the crap that passes for it nowadays (like Dashboard Confessional) is crap. Sort of the same way the stuff that they try to pass for punk nowadays (except for Rancid) is crap. Crap.

In other news, has anyone here read No Logo by Naomi Klein?

[spacemonkeymafia]

punkish music mixed with Morresey is how i explain it........

[delta]

punkish music mixed with Morresey is how i explain it........

like this?
YouTube - Bauhaus - Telegram Sam (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCxa6Pi_Id4)

Morresey is awesome sometimes

[delta]

In other news, has anyone here read No Logo by Naomi Klein?

Sorry we are ruining your thread :) but this is a way better disscussion than the "what happend to good music" thread! haha!

[spacemonkeymafia]

like this?
YouTube - Bauhaus - Telegram Sam (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCxa6Pi_Id4)

Morresey is awesome sometimes

Dude never ever pretty please link that again.........LOL.

[NeilJam]

Yeah, the fact is there is no singer or band that everyone likes. Just attribute that to people having different tastes in music, just as it is with any form of art.

The Beatles were a great band, I like their later stuff, but I admit they are over-rated. But they are not alone in that.

Obviously I think Neil Young rocks. My user name partially comes from his name (Neil Young + Pearl Jam = Neil Jam)

Back on topic:

I'm going to try to redirect some issues from another thread:

http://www.hisstank.com/forum/general-discussion/20349-things-everyone-thinks-you-should-hate-but-you-dont-6.html

To briefly recap, some sparks flew when someone said we needed to start drilling on American soil, while saying that Global Warming is a myth, along with some other things.

I do not label myself an environmentalist. The biggest thing I do is pick up other people's litter. But it's something. I'm starting to recycle. If everyone would pitch in and do a little, we can all make this a better (and cleaner) place to live.

The human race's dependency on oil is not destroying the planet, because the planet will long outlive the human race, but it's killing US. We're fighting wars for this shit, man! I've said it before, and I'll say it again - the internal combustion engine is primitive. There are newer resources that are cleaner, cheaper and more abundant in the works. There are garbage disposal units in development that use fusion to completely destroy any and all garbage, while making surplus electricity. There are plenty of viable alternative sources of electricity that do work - yes, wind works and delivers an abundance of energy, when the turbines are designed efficiently, and the ocean is being looked to next for what is possibly the largest source of untapped energy on our planet. All the while, looking at the financial crisis our economy is going through, where our dependency on oil is at least partly to blame (humanity's greed for power and wealth is the larger demon to slay there), in addition to more and more medical evidence piling up that all oil-based products are the source of most cancers, and we need to find another way. Yes, the state of Montana sits on top of the known largest shale oil deposit in the world. But so what? The demand is well beyond the grasp of manufacturers to supply. It's not the answer. Time to look for another solution.

Preservation of this planet, the way it is, is necessary for the human race to have a future. We're continually encroaching, spreading out further and farther from already overcrowded (not to mention drug-addled and crime-ridden) cities. The part in the first Matrix where Agent Smith alludes us to a virus is bang-on. And closed-mindedness will not make this any better of a place to live - for me or my daughter, or any of her offspring.


I agree with this for the most part. As you said, we are not killing the planet, it will still be here when humans are gone, we are just making things worse for ourselves by ignoring the damage we are doing. Everyone wants their children to be better off than them, but how many are actually willing to sacrifice any of their conveniences of comforts to make this world a better place for them to live in?


It reminds me of the argument smokers constantly make. Now, I used to be a smoker myself. I smoked for around 8-10 years. I quit 3 years ago. But with all of the smoking bans (which I applaud), the only argument they have is, "It's my right to smoke where I want." True. It is your right. I spent 8 years in the Army ensuring you have that right to throw your money away and blacken your lungs. But it's also MY right and the right of everyone else who DOESN'T want to smoke to NOT have to be a part of that. Then they retort, "Well then leave." Well, no. That doesn't give us the right to be where we want to be breathing clean air. If you're the one who wants to smoke, then you need to be responsible enough to go somewhere where it won't bother anyone. I always kept that in mind when I smoked.


As a smoker I mostly agree with this. I understand having smoking bans indoors at most public places. The exception here is at bars. People go there to unwind and/or have a good time. However, they are not health clubs by any means. Cigarettes also go too well with beer. I think smoking bans should exclude bars (as they sometimes exclude casinos) and it should be left up to the owners whether or not to allow smoking.

This reminds me of an article I read recently about a man in Amsterdam who was fined for smoking in a cafe where people go to smoke marijuana. He was fined because he had a little tobacco with the green stuff he was smoking. How much sense does that make?


So the argument goes, that there the scientific proof that what we're doing to the planet is made up by the media, which is a bit naive, not to mention paranoid. I'm as distrustful of the media as anyone - that's why I read scientific journals. But wait, if they're in on it also, then who are you going to believe? Global Warming isn't really caused by us. There's plenty of evidence that the planet goes through a cycle of heating up and cooling down. And while there are a lot of steps we can (and should) take to make this world a better place, just because of decent, human responsibility, there are those of us (who at times seem to be the majority) that can't look past their own interests. Well, it's your right, isn't it?

Wrong.

Is it your right to drive a car? No. It's a privilege. To continue to do so, you need to do so responsibly. Obey the posted speed limits, know all of the traffic laws, and get off the phone and pay attention to your surroundings. Is it your right to have children? It shouldn't be - not without first proving that you're a suitable parent, and can care and provide for those children. But then you get into a whole other debate over 'who decides what's fit or unfit', and I'm not getting into that. Let's just say - not any church.


Sometimes I think people should have to pass some kind of test to be allowed to procreate. You need to do so if you want to drive or have many other privileges, but anyone can make a child whether or not they are actually willing or able to be responsible enough to raise that child properly. The problem is you get into basic human rights there.


Americans have an unbelievable sense of entitlement, and it's spreading far and wide throughout other countries as well. (And before you label me as anti-American, remember I served this country for 8 years.) We all need to step back and re-evaluate the lives we're living. Because it's all our world, and the things we do here affect all of us.


Many Americans to have this problem. I think it comes from our country calling the shots throughout much of the world for so long. So many of us can't accept being second banana, it's our way or the highway. Of course, our current President has done nothing to lessen this sentiment.

[zartan1]

I'm going to try to redirect some issues from another thread:

http://www.hisstank.com/forum/general-discussion/20349-things-everyone-thinks-you-should-hate-but-you-dont-6.html

To briefly recap, some sparks flew when someone said we needed to start drilling on American soil, while saying that Global Warming is a myth, along with some other things.

I do not label myself an environmentalist. The biggest thing I do is pick up other people's litter. But it's something. I'm starting to recycle. If everyone would pitch in and do a little, we can all make this a better (and cleaner) place to live.

The human race's dependency on oil is not destroying the planet, because the planet will long outlive the human race, but it's killing US. We're fighting wars for this shit, man! I've said it before, and I'll say it again - the internal combustion engine is primitive. There are newer resources that are cleaner, cheaper and more abundant in the works. There are garbage disposal units in development that use fusion to completely destroy any and all garbage, while making surplus electricity. There are plenty of viable alternative sources of electricity that do work - yes, wind works and delivers an abundance of energy, when the turbines are designed efficiently, and the ocean is being looked to next for what is possibly the largest source of untapped energy on our planet. All the while, looking at the financial crisis our economy is going through, where our dependency on oil is at least partly to blame (humanity's greed for power and wealth is the larger demon to slay there), in addition to more and more medical evidence piling up that all oil-based products are the source of most cancers, and we need to find another way. Yes, the state of Montana sits on top of the known largest shale oil deposit in the world. But so what? The demand is well beyond the grasp of manufacturers to supply. It's not the answer. Time to look for another solution.

Preservation of this planet, the way it is, is necessary for the human race to have a future. We're continually encroaching, spreading out further and farther from already overcrowded (not to mention drug-addled and crime-ridden) cities. The part in the first Matrix where Agent Smith alludes us to a virus is bang-on. And closed-mindedness will not make this any better of a place to live - for me or my daughter, or any of her offspring.

It reminds me of the argument smokers constantly make. Now, I used to be a smoker myself. I smoked for around 8-10 years. I quit 3 years ago. But with all of the smoking bans (which I applaud), the only argument they have is, "It's my right to smoke where I want." True. It is your right. I spent 8 years in the Army ensuring you have that right to throw your money away and blacken your lungs. But it's also MY right and the right of everyone else who DOESN'T want to smoke to NOT have to be a part of that. Then they retort, "Well then leave." Well, no. That doesn't give us the right to be where we want to be breathing clean air. If you're the one who wants to smoke, then you need to be responsible enough to go somewhere where it won't bother anyone. I always kept that in mind when I smoked.

So the argument goes, that there the scientific proof that what we're doing to the planet is made up by the media, which is a bit naive, not to mention paranoid. I'm as distrustful of the media as anyone - that's why I read scientific journals. But wait, if they're in on it also, then who are you going to believe? Global Warming isn't really caused by us. There's plenty of evidence that the planet goes through a cycle of heating up and cooling down. And while there are a lot of steps we can (and should) take to make this world a better place, just because of decent, human responsibility, there are those of us (who at times seem to be the majority) that can't look past their own interests. Well, it's your right, isn't it?

Wrong.

Is it your right to drive a car? No. It's a privilege. To continue to do so, you need to do so responsibly. Obey the posted speed limits, know all of the traffic laws, and get off the phone and pay attention to your surroundings. Is it your right to have children? It shouldn't be - not without first proving that you're a suitable parent, and can care and provide for those children. But then you get into a whole other debate over 'who decides what's fit or unfit', and I'm not getting into that. Let's just say - not any church.

Americans have an unbelievable sense of entitlement, and it's spreading far and wide throughout other countries as well. (And before you label me as anti-American, remember I served this country for 8 years.) We all need to step back and re-evaluate the lives we're living. Because it's all our world, and the things we do here affect all of us.


Hey buddy America does a hell of a lot to clean up its messes and preserve nature. There are rivers around the country that were too polluted for fish that we've cleaned and are now safe to swim in. I admire your 8 year service but don't tell me I need to step back and re-evaluate my life because I don't believe man causes global warming. I recycle, conserve water and energy, lots of stuff.

The combustion engine is outdated but are we to just snap our fingers and not need oil. It would be nice to drive a hydrogen car except the technology still isn't perfected to make it economically feasible.

How many of you use those compact fluorescent light bulbs all these "enviromentalists" say will save the planet? Ever read the clean-up procedure your supposed to use if you break one. If this bulb will save a little electricity, I guess its worth the mercury you've just brought in your house.

I worry about the future of the planet as much as anyone, but for a more realistic reason like Islamic expansion and terrorism. I see how European countries are quickly loosing their culture in the name of political correctness to immagrants who refuse to conform to their rules. Airlines over their have screens in their jets showing which way to Mecca for passengers to pray. England's not building public restrooms facing east at their 2012 Olympic stadium out of fear of angering these people. Add to that Iran making nukes and threatening Israel and the western world, somehow carbon emmissions don't seem like such a threat.

[minstrelboy]

Hey buddy America does a hell of a lot to clean up its messes and preserve nature. There are rivers around the country that were too polluted for fish that we've cleaned and are now safe to swim in. I admire your 8 year service but don't tell me I need to step back and re-evaluate my life because I don't believe man causes global warming. I recycle, conserve water and energy, lots of stuff.

The combustion engine is outdated but are we to just snap our fingers and not need oil. It would be nice to drive a hydrogen car except the technology still isn't perfected to make it economically feasible.

I never said we're not making changes to clean up our act. I'm not condemning America - matter of fact, that's one of the reasons why corporations get huge tax breaks to outsource jobs overseas, so the factories aren't polluting over here. And I said we're NOT responsible for global warming - it's a planetary cycle that, yes, we may have contributed to somewhat, but it's egotistical thinking that we've made such a great change in the way that the environment functions. All I'm trying to say is be a little more thoughtful about the things that you do in this world, and make a little effort to make the world a better place to be. It's not just your planet. We all live here.

It's a long process to ween our society off of oil. It won't happen overnight. Maybe by the end of our lives. But the sooner it starts, the better.

And as far as religion - I'm not going there tonight.

Sorry we are ruining your thread :) but this is a way better disscussion than the "what happend to good music" thread! haha!

I agree. There's something in the air tonight, though - I started this thread in an effort to get another back on track, but lo and behold, they're both off the rails.

So how about the Spaceballs Animated Series coming to a tv near you? Where the hell did that come from?

[spacemonkeymafia]

i agree. There's something in the air tonight, though - i started this thread in an effort to get another back on track, but lo and behold, they're both off the rails.

So how about the spaceballs animated series coming to a tv near you? Where the hell did that come from?

lol........

[minstrelboy]

I feel like slap-fighting...

[NeilJam]

So how about the Spaceballs Animated Series coming to a tv near you? Where the hell did that come from?


I just want to know where it went. They had four episodes that they kept re-running over the course of a week then that was it. Is that really all they made or are they holding out on us?

Sure the cartoons may not be as good as a real movie sequel would have been, but they were still decent.

[Lantern_Lad]

like this?
YouTube - Bauhaus - Telegram Sam (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCxa6Pi_Id4)

Morresey is awesome sometimes

Hey now! Don't go dissin' my Bauhaus... Peter Murphy, Daniel Ash, David J Haskins & Kevin Haskins are fantastic! Of course, they're better separated as Peter Murphy and Love & Rockets... but Bauhaus still had it's place...

... way back when...

Try this one, it may be a remake, but at least it's one of their good songs:

YouTube - Bauhaus - Ziggy Stardust (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a_YQXFs7Ts)

And it's hard to believe this is the same band with a different singer:

YouTube - so alive love and rockets (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFObRusJt24)

Sorry, I'm a recovering 80's/90's goth boy...

Well, I say emo was started my The Smiths and Morrissey (whom I'm a big fan of), but the crap that passes for it nowadays (like Dashboard Confessional) is crap. Sort of the same way the stuff that they try to pass for punk nowadays (except for Rancid) is crap. Crap.

Don't get me started on My Chemical Romance... shudder.

Dude never ever pretty please link that again.........LOL.

:mad:

Grrrrrr....

I never said we're not making changes to clean up our act. I'm not condemning America - matter of fact, that's one of the reasons why corporations get huge tax breaks to outsource jobs overseas, so the factories aren't polluting over here. And I said we're NOT responsible for global warming - it's a planetary cycle that, yes, we may have contributed to somewhat, but it's egotistical thinking that we've made such a great change in the way that the environment functions. All I'm trying to say is be a little more thoughtful about the things that you do in this world, and make a little effort to make the world a better place to be. It's not just your planet. We all live here.

It's a long process to ween our society off of oil. It won't happen overnight. Maybe by the end of our lives. But the sooner it starts, the better.

And as far as religion - I'm not going there tonight.



I agree. There's something in the air tonight, though - I started this thread in an effort to get another back on track, but lo and behold, they're both off the rails.

So how about the Spaceballs Animated Series coming to a tv near you? Where the hell did that come from?

Is that out yet? I got a Spaceballs animated backpack at Comic-Con 2007, but I just figured the show was a dead concept.

[Headman]

Where is Cesspool and his Toxo Vipers when I need him?

[minstrelboy]

Where is Cesspool and his Toxo Vipers when I need him?

Captain Planet wupped their butts.

Hey now! Don't go dissin' my Bauhaus... Peter Murphy, Daniel Ash, David J Haskins & Kevin Haskins are fantastic! Of course, they're better separated as Peter Murphy and Love & Rockets... but Bauhaus still had it's place...

... way back when....

Don't forget Tones On Tail - great stuff. My common ringtone is Bela Lugosi's Dead. Peter Murphy also put out a good solo album with one of the guys from KMFDM a few years back. Their reunion album is also pretty good. I get so sick of bands getting back to gether, or bands that should have hung it up years ago - Bauhaus is one of the few bands that haven't lost that spark, along with Gang Of Four.

Is that out yet? I got a Spaceballs animated backpack at Comic-Con 2007, but I just figured the show was a dead concept.

I actually just found out about this yesterday. It just hit me completely out of left field. I never would have guessed in a thousand years that this would ever be conceived of.

[mckeesportpaguy]

spaceballs the cartoon show! for real where the hell can i find it??

[Acrizer]

I am anti-hippy

Just what do you have against rock music, gratuitous sex, BJs and drugs... besides the cost of drugs?

[spacemonkeymafia]

Just what do you have against rock music, gratuitous sex, BJs and drugs... besides the cost of drugs?

Because punk tells him to..........And hippies stole his baby.....

[spacemonkeymafia]

:mad:

Grrrrrr....



Sorry it scared me and made me feel really sick inside........

[minstrelboy]

Hippy ideals are based on the fantasy that everyone thinks the same way they do.

As far as drugs go - I'll admit, I've dabbled. But I'm also older and smarter now, and I know a great many lives destroyed forever by them.

As far as the gratuitous sex, I know people who live polyamorous lives who are still unhappy because of human nature to want to possess someone's love solely for their own, while being free to love others. Everything has a consequence, and focusing on the good side doesn't make the bad not exist.

[NeilJam]

Is that out yet? I got a Spaceballs animated backpack at Comic-Con 2007, but I just figured the show was a dead concept.

spaceballs the cartoon show! for real where the hell can i find it??


The animated series is on G4. They had 4 episodes a couple weeks ago that they reran many times over a week. They are being shown on there again this afternoon, along with 2 new episodes (to answer my own question from earlier in the thread) for a total of 6.

[delta]

Hey now! Don't go dissin' my Bauhaus...Woulden't dream of it.

Peter Murphy, Daniel Ash, David J Haskins & Kevin Haskins are fantastic! Of course, they're better separated as Peter Murphy and Love & Rockets... but Bauhaus still had it's place...

Really? I thought Bauhaus was the only one who had a place at all.

[Lantern_Lad]

Woulden't dream of it.


Really? I thought Bauhaus was the only one who had a place at all.

Funny... unfortunately, that Bauhaus shut down long before the musical Bauhaus shut down. Friggin' Nazi's... no love for art.

[MachineGunEtiquette]

LOL..................Emo music which came from Punk......Youve seen these little buggers out somewhere....maybe the mall near or in Hot Topic.....

oh god.
Emo.
here what is kinda known about this crap.
It started from Emotional Hardcore. Stuff like Downset, Iconoclast etc. and Emotional Punk, stuff like Jawbreaker and Saves the Day. Even Weezer was in this category, circa blue album. Essentially it was punkers and HxCers who were into art, sweaters, and crying every now and then. Somewhere along the way it got mixed with metal and goth and hot topic and now it is about crappy metalcore and girl pants, guys in eye liner and dudes who look more like girls then the girls they are trying to pick up.

Its all about being dirty, wearing pokemon shirts and crying about how everyday is the worst day of thier lives.

BTW, Bauhaus rocks....and so do The Sisters Of Mercy. I dare you to prove me wrong.

[Deckard]

anyone remember the end to the first back to the future when doc brown starts stuffing garbage into the "fuel" area of the remodeled delorean? You're telling me that theres no way we can figure out a way to turn all the garbage into a useable, non pollutant energy substance? i mean arent we shipping our trash to other countries and they manufacture useful stuff out of it? i swore i saw a news story about that. Why can;t we do that ?

[ceraurus]

anyone remember the end to the first back to the future when doc brown starts stuffing garbage into the "fuel" area of the remodeled delorean? You're telling me that theres no way we can figure out a way to turn all the garbage into a useable, non pollutant energy substance? i mean arent we shipping our trash to other countries and they manufacture useful stuff out of it? i swore i saw a news story about that. Why can;t we do that ?

In some places, waste material (garbage) gets burned in an incinerator instead of being dumped in a sanitary landfill. This process can be used to generate electricity, but there are pollutants to consider from burning the waste.

[MachineGunEtiquette]

anyone remember the end to the first back to the future when doc brown starts stuffing garbage into the "fuel" area of the remodeled delorean? You're telling me that theres no way we can figure out a way to turn all the garbage into a useable, non pollutant energy substance? i mean arent we shipping our trash to other countries and they manufacture useful stuff out of it? i swore i saw a news story about that. Why can;t we do that ?

oh man.
that would ROCK. Almost as much as if we had hovering skateboards.

But I agree. The biggest downfall to burning trash is that apparently it is not hot enough to generate steam to turn the turbines and thus create electricity.

thats what I am told anyway....which leads me to believe that American trash burns at a lower temperature than all other nations trash....I am calling shenanigans.

The only TRUE downfall is that it does in fact release a shit-ton of chemicals.

[spacemonkeymafia]

[QUOTE=MachineGunEtiquette;354037]oh god.
Emo.
here what is kinda known about this crap.
It started from Emotional Hardcore. Stuff like Downset, Iconoclast etc. and Emotional Punk, stuff like Jawbreaker and Saves the Day. Even Weezer was in this category, circa blue album. Essentially it was punkers and HxCers who were into art, sweaters, and crying every now and then. Somewhere along the way it got mixed with metal and goth and hot topic and now it is about crappy metalcore and girl pants, guys in eye liner and dudes who look more like girls then the girls they are trying to pick up.

Its all about being dirty, wearing pokemon shirts and crying about how everyday is the worst day of thier lives.
QUOTE]

Now we agree on something.........

[minstrelboy]

anyone remember the end to the first back to the future when doc brown starts stuffing garbage into the "fuel" area of the remodeled delorean? You're telling me that theres no way we can figure out a way to turn all the garbage into a useable, non pollutant energy substance? i mean arent we shipping our trash to other countries and they manufacture useful stuff out of it? i swore i saw a news story about that. Why can;t we do that ?

There are disposal units like this that cleanly and efficiently use fusion to destroy garbage, while producing electricity. They're fairly large now, and very costly, but with time, I think every municipality will have one of these to dispose of non-recyclable waste. There was an article in Popular Science that I read about this. The thought that one day all waste will be gone makes me happy, but kind of sad too. I used to go to the scrap yard with my dad when I was a kid, and always came home with cool prizes - like a Dukes of Hazzard metal lunchbox, or a hollow-body elctric guitar.

[Dealer Destro]

Look we all know we can live our lives with all our little "Commodities" and not damage the our planet. It's the fat oil tycoons that do not want to take a hit to their wallets by switching to clean energy and then being the clean energy tycoons. To them it would just cost too much. Well... I could go on and on and on and on about this but I will just leave that as my two cents.

[minstrelboy]

Look we all know we can live our lives with all our little "Commodities" and not damage the our planet. It's the fat oil tycoons that do not want to take a hit to their wallets by switching to clean energy and then being the clean energy tycoons. To them it would just cost too much. Well... I could go on and on and on and on about this but I will just leave that as my two cents.

We all know this. Unfortunately, that's what happens when you set up a capitalist society. The rich get richer, seize power and buy out smaller businesses. Then, they can pretty much do as they please, and the rest of us can do very little except bitch or take the power back by force. I'm excited that this country is rolling into a recession. Sure, we're all going to struggle and suffer - but the majority of us have been for a long time. It's time for those CEO's and share-holding politicians to feel the burn too.

[Dealer Destro]

We all know this. Unfortunately, that's what happens when you set up a capitalist society. The rich get richer, seize power and buy out smaller businesses. Then, they can pretty much do as they please, and the rest of us can do very little except bitch or take the power back by force. I'm excited that this country is rolling into a recession. Sure, we're all going to struggle and suffer - but the majority of us have been for a long time. It's time for those CEO's and share-holding politicians to feel the burn too.

I am right there with you and when they sign us up for our blue suits and battle helmets I will be on the front line screamming COBRA!!!!!!

[zartan1]

We all know this. Unfortunately, that's what happens when you set up a capitalist society. The rich get richer, seize power and buy out smaller businesses. Then, they can pretty much do as they please, and the rest of us can do very little except bitch or take the power back by force. I'm excited that this country is rolling into a recession. Sure, we're all going to struggle and suffer - but the majority of us have been for a long time. It's time for those CEO's and share-holding politicians to feel the burn too.

I happen to like our capitalist system were anybody can become successful. I do agree with you about the rich seizing power and getting richer, big money with little oversight thoroughly corrupts.

I don't think we should put all the blame on big buisness since we have oversight commitees in congress that are just as corrupt/ more so than the ceo's of these companies. Face it both parties have hurt this country bad and now everyone is paying for that greed.
I believe that this is still the greatest country and economic system going, but brother we need big changes. We should start by making a clean slate out of Washington and firing these career politicians that are out of touch with the changing world around them. Next we really need to work on all this partisan shit that's making people hate there fellow Americans like it was the Civil War again.
I'm conservative republican, but damn it I'm an American first . I have voted for democrats before and will continue to vote for the candidate not the party. To me the dumbest thing a person can do is go in and just vote a parties ticket with no regard to who's actually on it. Or even worse vote for someone because their favorite celebrity endorses them.
I know we aren't supposed to get specific about politics on here and at times I've tread on a fine-line, but anyone who agrees/disagrees with PM and let me know what you think.

[minstrelboy]

Read George Washington's farewell speech, and see how he felt about political parties. He was not a fan. And what he predicted would happen if they were allowed to take control has happened.

I welcome the financial downturn of the world's economy. It's all crap to me. I'd like to be able to live life as it was meant to be lived - not the way it was made by those who screwed it before myself, or my parents were born.

[zartan1]

Read George Washington's farewell speech, and see how he felt about political parties. He was not a fan. And what he predicted would happen if they were allowed to take control has happened.

I welcome the financial downturn of the world's economy. It's all crap to me. I'd like to be able to live life as it was meant to be lived - not the way it was made by those who screwed it before myself, or my parents were born.


I think our problem is that we have only two parties to try and cater to the far left/right and everything in between.



Just curious as to what you mean by live life as it was meant to be? Wherever you go on this planet you're gonna be under the rules of a govt.

[Daywalker]

Liberals "feel", Conservatives "think" that is the difference.

The problems in the Middle East have nothing to do with oil it's religion. Muslims HATE Isreal, it's a holy war that has been going on for Thousands of years and the US just can't understand that. We have to get involved there to try to keep the peace HAVE TO because SUPRISE the environmetalist whackos have blocked us from drilling for years and they haven't let us build a new refinery since the late 70's!!!!

You know there are somewhere around 200 million registered vehicles from what I have researched in just the USA right now? Good luck getting those people to all buy a hybrid pos car. The power that be have already screwed us with this E10 gas crap which when I tested on my car a 2004 Nissan Pathfinder dropped my gas mileage almost 15%!!! it also raises the price of food as farmers switch to growing corn to get ethanol so other crops are less. We're married to oil for a long long time, get used to it.

Now the environment, i don't want to get into it too much and conservation is always good but the whole Global Warming theory, well suffice it to say I am not drinking that kool-aide but you're welcome to it. These "scientists" are making billions off this, it is BIG business and lots of people have jobs because of it. The BBC did a great special on the GW Scam and I think it's a huge scam. The climate shifts, pure and simple.

It's one thing to conserve and be responsible but it's a whole nother thing to go completley nuts about it. We're in the financial mess we are in now because of these "liberal" views and their nutjob ideals.

An example of the nutjobs would be the head of PETA sending a letter to Ben and Jerry's to use human breast milk in their ice cream instead of cow milk because they are "stealing" from the cows!!! HAHAHA!!! morons....

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Liberals "feel", Conservatives "think" that is the difference.

You know there are somewhere around 200 million registered vehicles from what I have researched in just the USA right now? Good luck getting those people to all buy a hybrid pos car. The power that be have already screwed us with this E10 gas crap which when I tested on my car a 2004 Nissan Pathfinder dropped my gas mileage almost 15%!!! it also raises the price of food as farmers switch to growing corn to get ethanol so other crops are less. We're married to oil for a long long time, get used to it.

Now the environment, i don't want to get into it too much and conservation is always good but the whole Global Warming theory, well suffice it to say I am not drinking that kool-aide but you're welcome to it. These "scientists" are making billions off this, it is BIG business and lots of people have jobs because of it. The BBC did a great special on the GW Scam and I think it's a huge scam. The climate shifts, pure and simple.

It's one thing to conserve and be responsible but it's a whole nother thing to go completley nuts about it. We're in the financial mess we are in now because of these "liberal" views and their nutjob ideals.

An example of the nutjobs would be the head of PETA sending a letter to Ben and Jerry's to use human breast milk in their ice cream instead of cow milk because they are "stealing" from the cows!!! HAHAHA!!! morons....


I consider myself pretty liberal, but not far left. I still think for myself. The whole thing about PETA saying B&Js should use breast milk is crazy. I've read that if cows aren't milked the utter will set (harden) and actually cause the cow to be in pain. How do they believe that is ethical treatment? Some also say that we shouldn't drink milk at all, but as long as I remember that has been a basic necessity to keep one healthy. Some have to get by without because they are lactose intolerant, but everyone else shouldn't be forced to go without just to appease PETA.

I also wonder where PETA thinks a large company like that would find enough women to produce milk for them. Wouldn't this just lead to the same harsh treatment PETA believes cows get when milked? Why would it be better to put a person through that? They must also forget that humans are technically animals too.

I agree that ethanol isn't really a suitable replacement for the gas we currently use to run our vehicles. That's just trading one problem for other, possibly more serious problems. We can't produce enough food to feed everyone who is starving, so now some people want to take some of the food (corn) we can produce and use it to power our cars & trucks? That's just asinine.

People want a quick & easy answer to both protecting the environment and supplying the world with the power we need. The problem is there is no simple solution to either of these issues, let alone something that will solve both.