Opened my first 25th figure tonight and.... NOT GOOD

[MelodicJimmy]

I'm not going to open any of the single figures, but I bought the Snake Eyes/ Storm Shadow "Silent Interlude" comic pack (v. 1 Storm Shadow, blueish Snake Eyes) and decided to open this pack because I already have each figure in a single pack, so why not?

I am completely horrified at the quality of these figures. They're utter pieces of shit in my opinion. The second I opened SS, his forearm came off and I had to force it back on. You can't even touch them without feeling like they're going to break at any moment. And, the worst..... the most f'ing annoying thing.... the weapons don't even stay in their hands!

I'm really not a complainer usually, but these are really just shit. In my opinion, Hasbro should be ashamed of themselves for allowing this rubbish go out to the public. Thank goodness I'm not opening the other ones.

Sorry for the rant, but it needed to be said.

[coola784]

lol the first time i opened a 25th figure i thaught the same thing. over time they will grow on you but i think if you dislike them that much you should just keep them moc, because they are fun to collect and in my opinion they look better moc anyway, but they are made pretty crappy. thats why rah rules!

[delta]

I like em'. No problems here

[xFlintx]

To be fair, the comic packs are of a little lower quality then their single pack brethen.. Try a single pack and it might surprise you.

[ParatrooperCarbine]

If the forearm came right off, then it was a crappy figure-a QA problem. I have opened 50 + figures and that only happened once (Grunt).

[MelodicJimmy]

lol the first time i opened a 25th figure i thaught the same thing. over time they will grow on you but i think if you dislike them that much you should just keep them moc, because they are fun to collect and in my opinion they look better moc anyway, but they are made pretty crappy. thats why rah rules!

Oh I'm not opening any of the other ones - especially after this catastrophe. I'm actually sorry I even bought them, it's that bad. I don't mind paying 7-9 bucks for a figure, but not this crap. I'm kind of pissed to tell you the truth and most likely won't buy another new one. Hasbro won't be getting my money for this crap.

[Kalibus]

Open up a single figure like a Snow Serpent, Beachhead, or IG Destro, just to name a few, and see if that changes your mind. Kinda unfair to judge the line on a bad Comic Pack. I have not had any issues with my 25th and im always jacking with them cuse im a customizer.

[MelodicJimmy]

If the forearm came right off, then it was a crappy figure-a QA problem. I have opened 50 + figures and that only happened once (Grunt).

The problem is that it's BOTH of them. The forearm didn't come off Snake Eyes, but you can't put weapons in his hands, either and he feels like he'll snap in half at any moment if you move him the wrong way.

It almost seems like Hasbro was counting on people NOT opening the packages, so they pretty much knew they could get away with making crap like this. I could be wrong, but something stinks about it....

[Shogi]

To be even more fair, you opened one of the worst quality comic packs :) Out of 3 of those I only found one Stormy who's forearm wasn't jacked up a bit

[MelodicJimmy]

Open up a single figure like a Snow Serpent, Beachhead, or IG Destro, just to name a few, and see if that changes your mind. Kinda unfair to judge the line on a bad Comic Pack. I have not had any issues with my 25th and im always jacking with them cuse im a customizer.

Well, I'll have to really force myself to buy another one after this, but maybe I'll take your advice and try a single figure to compare the difference.

[teemu8]

I disagree that these are poorly made...while the comic packs seem lesser quality..even they hold up aswell...I have close to 75 figures on my shelf and not one ever broke or ever came close to breaking...yes be careful with the elbows when you first move them,but once you loosen the joint a bit..its fine....soft hands keeps figures lasting a long time, as some people dont know how to handle things without breaking them....a natural breakage disease I guess haha

[Artifex]

I've openned some of my figs (those I got double) and nothing happened so far... I hope nothing does!

Bad luck, bro. Just that.

[gunslingercbr]

I have pretty much everything released and not a single one feels like it is going to snap or break in any sort of way. I've heard this said before, and I just haven't experienced it. have I just gotten lucky with every single figure I've ever gotten or is anyone who makes this statement just being overly-dramatic?

heck, having customized hundreds of figures so far, I can attest that they don't even come apart easily. I have to boil, pop and tug just to get them apart. not a single one has come apart with any sort of ease that I would attribute to poor quality or even compare to what I think a figure would feel like if it was going to snap apart from just being posed. again, have I just gotten lucky with the figures I've bought, because this isn't the first time I've hard this argument made, and I simply haven't experienced it with the hundreds of figures I've dealt with.

[HonestAbeJoeHooah]

We have been happy with the 25th We have handled. My Son and I collect together and, He handles His 25th and modern era Joes with no problems. The comic packs that We have split up have been the IG/Destro,Copperhead/Ship Wreck,Scarred Cobra Officer/Fred. He chose the Destro and Ship Wreck along with Fred. He is turning 5 in January and, all of His cp Joes have held up fine. Just thought I would throw that in there.

[mister_e]

have I just gotten lucky with every single figure I've ever gotten or is anyone who makes this statement just being overly-dramatic?

I think it is the latter. People love to exaggerate

[Johnnyakiba]

Open Snake-Eyes and then imagine that your desk is like a Cobra hideout and then have him do flips off of the Computer monitor...THEN you will appriciate the 25th line, they have "moxy"....and "spunk"

[MelodicJimmy]

Well, based on the responses, maybe it's just certain batches. I can tell you guys that that ones I have ARE really bad. Not even close to the original 80's figures.

[MelodicJimmy]

I think it is the latter. People love to exaggerate

I'm not sure if this was directed at me in any way, but I can assure you that I'm not "exaggerating." I don't enjoy making threads like this. I'd rather be talking about how badass they are, not how crappily they're made.

[jjk1120]

I open all my figures, and the only problem I've ever had was the paint on the greenshirt's wrists make them tough to turn without breaking.

Other than that, so far so good.

I love this line

[CLIFFjump3r]

I always buy at least 3 of each, 1 to keep MOMC, 1 to open and 1 to kitbash. And I troop build in 10s. Yes it's true that some of them don't hold their weapons so well. (Green Shirts and the 2-pack Firefly in particular, but that's because they come with the small handle uzis.) Anyway, I must say, after opening over 180 figures so far, other than my 1st Grunts right hand that keeps slipping out of the wrist socket, the only one that actually broke was the 2nd Stalker I bought for kitbashing purposes. He broke at his elbow when I was posing him, before I even attempted kitbashing it. (I mainly bought him for his harness anyway, so no big deal.)

[Unclassified]

bro these new joes are awesome, i get some bad ass poses out of em!! the old ones couldn't do that!they seem weeker but they are more durable in thier own way compared to old joes!

[MachineGunEtiquette]

these things rock.
I have never had one break.
furthermore, a friend is casually collecting them and letting his 4 year old son play with them. I was playing with him, setting them up bowling pin style while he rammed cars into them....hard.....no breakage....and storm shadow was fully loaded, weapons and all...kept a sword in his hand as he flew across the room.

[B.A.T.]

No problems here! Open a B.A.T. & tell me you don't like it. Just try & tell me you don't LOVE the B.A.T.!!! Greatest action figure ever!

[shortfuze]

Melodicjimmy:

I'm right there with you. I thought I would load up on Cobra troops, but they can't hold their weapons! Gimme a break.
(Yes, the Snow Serpent can hold his, though.)

[shortfuze]

No problems here! Open a B.A.T. & tell me you don't like it. Just try & tell me you don't LOVE the B.A.T.!!! Greatest action figure ever!

Wow. Possibly the most exaggerated statement I've read on a message board. The same figure would have fit perfectly in the 1993 assortment, and it would be forgotten today. By reducing conflict to a clash of machines, it went a long way toward taking the human element out of the line, which is really what drew kids to it early on. If as the BAT ushered in (without Hasbro ever stating or even intending) the notion that technology can make war risk-free, where is there room for cunning, guile, bravery, weakness, evil? And it's not even a well-designed figure: how does a robot know when to switch attachments?

Along with the '86 Viper, the BAT helped wreck the line until the immortal '89's rescued it from oblivion. It's easily the most overrated figure ever, followed by its brethren, the original Viper. (Just try to explain those goggles, except that without them the helmet would look ridiculous!)

So, for me the enemy trooper of choice was always the original Cobra Soldier. (You can see his EYES!) This is why the 25A troopers have been so disappointing. Nice molds, but can't hold a weapon and the limbs bend to easily. If figures were done in 25A style in 82, I probably wouldn't collect them today. I think after all these years, Hasbro has figured out that it's the impression the toy makes on a child in the store that determines what he will want. So they allocate design resources to packaging instead of toy quality. (I had a devil of a time just opening my SRO 3-pack!) They look great in the package, but play poorly. But by then who cares, the toy is already sold. That's a rather artificial way to construct, and market, a toyline.

About as artificial as, well, the 86 BAT.

[Dark 5cythe]

LMAO your gonna let the cheapest repainted figures from the FIRST wave convince you of their quality?

these figures are less likely to break than the og figures.

[Snow cat]

I opened a few and i like them. My first was a revison flash then a bat then a snow serpent.

Im happy for now.

[Deckard]

that storm shadow is probably my fave version (with a lil bare arm switching of course) as its the closest thing to an accurate stormy from both the comic and the cartoon( early stormy was all white). If you don;t want em bro i'll take em off ya hands.

[MelodicJimmy]

Eh, they're a little better than I originally thought, but not "good" at all. I learned that you have to screw around with the figure's hands to get the weapons to stay in the hand. Even then, it still almost falls out. The materials that the figures are made of is still shit. They're OKAY for displaying as a novelty, I guess, which is all I'm doing anyway. Right now, I have them on top of the monitors in my home studio:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v329/DrLoomis/2-1.jpg

[heatviper]

^ they suck! lol

[Deckard]

that stormy works great if you wanna make a custom bare arms stormy thats almost dead on (early) comic and show accurate as its all white. That SE sucks for an SE but if you wanna make an Invasor or Mortal then you couldn't ask for better fodder.

[gunslingercbr]

Well, based on the responses, maybe it's just certain batches. I can tell you guys that that ones I have ARE really bad. Not even close to the original 80's figures.
but not being close to the 80's figures, which were made with different plastic and far less articulation, doesn't mean that these are cheap or somehow poorly constructed. perhaps the problem was simply your expectation and not the figures. toys are simply made different now than in the 80's. I know I've never opened a new figure and attempted to compare the sensory experience with that of a figure from the 80's, I judge them on their own merits. I'm not saying you are wrong for doing so, but simply that you may have set yourself up for your own disappointment if your expectation was a similar sensory experience.

[MelodicJimmy]

Hmmmm..... possibly you're right. Problem is, I didn't think about the comparison until later. The first thought I had was, "Wow, these aren't well made at all." So, I don't know, maybe.

[unclejoey]

The hands are the plague of this line. So far about 8 of the 10 figures that I have opened drop there weapons if you blow on them. It bugs the shit out of me that people around here continue to pretend that it's not a problem. Modern Star Wars figures all hold there weapons securely, and almost none of the 25th joes do.

[Saboteur]

Sorry to hear that man.
I suppose I've been lucky as that hasn't happened to me. I have a hard time getting them apart to do customs sometimes.
Might have been a lemon.
Try another one.
Sab

[MachineGunEtiquette]

I have only had problems with barbecue when it comes to them holding their weapons.
that was solved with one of those clear rubber bands that are coming with everything.

[darth_henning]

Personally, I've never had a problem with any body part coming off. And I've got close to 100 siting out. Similarly, the only figures that I have that can't hold weapons are Roadblock and the Viper for me.

I think that you got a bad QC pack and should try again. The 25th line is really better than the catastrophe you describe.

[darth_henning]

The hands are the plague of this line. So far about 8 of the 10 figures that I have opened drop there weapons if you blow on them. It bugs the shit out of me that people around here continue to pretend that it's not a problem. Modern Star Wars figures all hold there weapons securely, and almost none of the 25th joes do.

I don't know how that the case, I've had practically no problems with mine. As I said above, only Roadblock and the Vipers. I guess that BBQ and Shipwreck aren't great, but otherwise, they hold them all pretty darn securely.

[buddystalin]

ANGRY WORDS ABOUT B.A.T. GO HERE

No, sir. You're wrong.

B.A.T. IS the best action figure ever.

Anyone who says otherwise is a freedom-hating commie that hates freedom and stands against all things right and pure and true in the world and whose opinions fly in the face of God himself defy the glory of the very nature of truth in a defiant freedom-hating untruthy lie-fulness so wrong you can't help but assume they're a commie.

That's how wrong your statement is.

[gunslingercbr]

Hmmmm..... possibly you're right. Problem is, I didn't think about the comparison until later. The first thought I had was, "Wow, these aren't well made at all." So, I don't know, maybe.

honestly, you may have just decided to open the worst set in the line. Storm Shadow really can't hold his weapons, even the non-comic pack versions, though I haven't had that problem with any Snake Eyes. get a Torpedo or Snow Job figure, which are possibly the 2 best in the line, and give them a shot. if you don't like them, than the line just isn't your cup of tea.

[Synthoid69]

Try opening a BAT. Everything is perfect with that figure. He holds everything great.

[buddystalin]

You know that feeling... the one you get where you come home after a long day, you get out of the shower, crack a beer, pet your dog, and then you turn on the news and see your demonic bastard ex-girlfriend on fire as your Pick 3 lotto numbers roll across the bottom of the screen?

That's kinda what it's like to own a 25th B.A.T.

[mckeesportpaguy]

I OPENED A STALKER AND GUNG HO, PURE GARBAGE!!! the plastic is horrible and they come apart too easily, they look much better MOC imo.

[code_red_shockwave]

I agree that you shouldn't be discouraged because of one comic pack. I, too, have been frustrated trying to customize some figures' hands but can't because part of the forearm comes off and I need to superglue the gloves. Besides, there are a lot of quality figures out there and many, and I mean many have potential for custom fodder.

[Tracker]

i won't judge the line based on the comic packs. The cp's are lower quality than the singles packs

[Xerofall]

Open a Torpedo... an Armored CC. Like others have said, don't base your opinion on that comic pack... that wave was lame as all hell.

However a lot of the comic packs I actually like better than the originals... I love the Shipwreck comic pack better than the carded. The red cloaked Storm Shadow rocks! Quite possibly the best use of fabric on a figure, and I HATE fabric on figures. (They can never get the scale right and it ends up looking like doll clothes.)

Like others have said, use the little clear rubber bands if your figures are having problems holding weapons. On a lot of them I leave their hands bound to their guns strait out of the box.

[MTN]

Dude you have possibly opened one of the more disappointing 25th figures ever (at least to me). Besides even those weren't that bad. I haven't had one 25th figure break on me yet, and I have a lot. I don't own a BAT so I couldn't tell you if it's decent or not, but Torpedo is one of the best. These figures are awesome! I even do a lot of customs, and I've never had a problem with the parts. They don't really break unless you try to break them. Some figures are better than others. I just opened a snow serpent just now and I couldn't be more pleased. These are seriously some of the best action figures ever released. I can't think of one serious complaint yet.

[MLos1]

I have opened over 100 plus figures, and never had any break.

[Xerofall]

I broke the arm off my IG Destro before I heard about the boiling water trick.

I had a few stuck joints since then and the boiling water trick works everytime.

[General Hawk59]

my first thought when i got my wave one at kmart last year was like wow these are so kewl.. Then I opened them and i was a little sad that they dont hold the weapons.. But for the most part they grew on me.. I guess if you have time to fidel with the figures they do pose nicely and hold there weapons.. Just hope your not in cali like myself were we get earthquakes all the time and i am constantly having to setup my figures.. Oh though it gives me an excuse to repose them so i dont mind.. Plus you have to admit it is pretty kewl of hasbro to even give us these figures.. I wish we had these during the 92 to 97 years,,, Anyways i think there was only a couple comic packs that the figures wernt up to par but for the most parts I think the whole 25th line is pretty awesome..

[gunslingercbr]

I OPENED A STALKER AND GUNG HO, PURE GARBAGE!!! the plastic is horrible and they come apart too easily, they look much better MOC imo.

unfortunately, again, those are figures that are the first few molds, and they aren't as good as the newer ones. like I said, try a Torpedo or BAT. if you don't like them, then you really won't like the figure line in its entirety.

[xFlintx]

I have to say the posts about the BAT's are correct, it is an amazing figure. As ridiculous as the concept of the BAT is, it rocks. And Snow Job is another good suggestion, he;s a great figure as well.

Like I suggested earlier, try the single carded figures, the quality is much better then the comic packs.

[Ev!L ErN!E]

out of all the single carded figures i feel BBQ is the most solid of them so far.... the others are a bit fragile & yes the weapons piss me off, most of them dont fit the hands or stay where you want.

[mckeesportpaguy]

unfortunately, again, those are figures that are the first few molds, and they aren't as good as the newer ones. like I said, try a Torpedo or BAT. if you don't like them, then you really won't like the figure line in its entirety.


I have a wild weasel and a few others i just picked up from a friend loose tonight and these are def better quality, guess just the first few waves were garbage. from 4.88 to 7.99 they better of had to realize 8 bucks for silly putty just wasnt worth it.

[JR0d28]

Worse one had to be Baroness from 5 pack very very fragile, but can still stand w/o falling.

[unclejoey]

A majority of the figures can't hold their weapons because their thumbs are tucked into a crunched up, instead of extended position. It's almost like the thumbs all come pre-broken. This is especially ridiculous because the hands are now made of such soft material that it would take a pair of scissors to break an extended thumb. What we end up with is figures that cannot hold their weapons because they have the thumb dexterity of a lower primate. There is no excuse for this. I have a shameful number of Star Wars figures, and not a single one of that has any trouble holding his weapon. It would be ok if it was a problem with one or two figures, but it's just the opposite. Only a handful of them can actually hold their weapons.

[genoneguy]

This is why I keep all of my 25th Joe's MOC. They look pretty neat while they are still sealed to the card, but alot of the 25th Joe's turn into garbage once you open them.

[Steinberg]

When I first got into this line this spring I can say I was truly horrified by quality control. I am also a pretty serious lego builder and as many know their manufacturing tolerances are like those for engine parts. But in time my overall love for the line had me overlooking little this and that's. Even giving me all sorts of little projects like reworking conquest land gears and such.

[MelodicJimmy]

People keep talking about how the first few waves weren't very good as far as quality. What wave had the Silent Interlude SS/ SE comic pack? Isn't that one of the later ones?

[Hicks_Royel]

It's the first wave of comic packs... came out around the same time as the single series wave 5, I think. With IG Destro and the Guardsman. Or somewhere in that area anyway.

[ceraurus]

People keep talking about how the first few waves weren't very good as far as quality. What wave had the Silent Interlude SS/ SE comic pack? Isn't that one of the later ones?

No, it was part of the first wave of comic packs.

I haven't had any problems with the quality of the figures. The troopers are a little annoying when trying to pose them, but other than that all is good with me. I've had to cut the trigger finger on a few to hold their weapons better.

[buddystalin]

No, it was part of the first wave of comic packs.

I haven't had any problems with the quality of the figures. The troopers are a little annoying when trying to pose them, but other than that all is good with me. I've had to cut the trigger finger on a few to hold their weapons better.

Heat up a safety pin, insert the gun, and then press the fingers in. A little heat and pressure can bend it just right. A lot can fuse them together.

Depends how far you wanna go.

[fierce krypton]

if you play with all 25th for awhile then start grabbing out your ARAH figures you will be amazed at the quality difference. The originals were way higher quality! Not as detailed and not as proportional but way better plastic and stuff.

[Wyo]

Same thing happened with me. Handling the figures pretty much turned me off to the line. Of course, these were intended to be displayed and not played with like the originals though.

[Elite Force Cobra]

i agree with the comic packs there lower grade throw togethers, as far as single carded figures they are sick and sweet! as well as more durable

[SovietBatman]

I've gone through nine waves of singles and five of two-packs, and the only issue I've had is getting certain positions to stand them in.

[yourfacehere]

It varies usually the fingers are getting fused in shipments so I use my knife to separate them gently.

Also I use the clear bands to hold them .

[Tanksmasher]

The only thing that still irks me is that some figures like Beach Head can't sit worth a damn and many don't fit in vehicles. This is surely the gravest error Hasbro has made, but the aethestic quality and anatomical proportions are so much cooler than the vintage. Just compare Wild Bills or Snake Eyes V 1 or Gung-Hos. The difference is startling. But having said that, some of the vintage figures like Hit N Run and Tunnel Rat are still my favorite--at least untill...

[mech-grunt]

I have opened ALL my Joe’s the only problem I have ever had I a little stiffness in the joints. Once I got them moving no problem.

[mrkenn]

He is the only figure that is damaged. His leg is so loose which prohibits him from standing. Luckily this is the only one I have had an issue with. the other 30 plus characters I don't have a problem with.

Perhaps just this character was made super cheap? I do wish they held their guns better, I never remember having that as an issue as a kid.....

[unclejoey]

Being a Star Wars guy and new to modern Joe I can't believe how tolerant you guys are of this 25th anniversary horse shit. If I hear one more guy say that he uses the clear rubber bands to keep the figure's weapons in place I might vomit. I'm also sickened by "These are better left in the package" and "These are meant for display". They're sold in the god damn toy aisle at Wal Mart! Any poor kid that buys one of these (or any parent that buys one for their kid) is not going to accept the fact that they can't hold their weapons worth a damn. Figures that can't hold weapons belong in the pink aisle. For god sake a VOTC Han Solo is from 2004, and it would play circles around these limp wristed soldiers. If I pitted my daughter's newest My Little Pony against my son's 25th Anniversary Storm Shadow Rainbow Dash would stomp the shit out of Storm Shadow while he repeatedly dropped his swords. When I was a kid, this would have been unthinkable. Rainbow Dash wouldn't have dared.

[lt.greenshirt]

Oh I'm not opening any of the other ones - especially after this catastrophe. I'm actually sorry I even bought them, it's that bad. I don't mind paying 7-9 bucks for a figure, but not this crap. I'm kind of pissed to tell you the truth and most likely won't buy another new one. Hasbro won't be getting my money for this crap.

If you have the receipt take it back for a refund. If you don't have a receipt take it to Target they will ask for your licence, at Target they will do two returns a year with no receipt.

[JR0d28]

If you have the receipt take it back for a refund. If you don't have a receipt take it to Target they will ask for your licence, at Target they will do two returns a year with no receipt.

For reals...I never thought of that?...Gonna try that next time.

[teemu8]

those who are complaining about these figures..what the heck are you doing with them that your breaking them? not one figure ever broke on me! and I have over 75+ figures (comic packs,singles,dvd sets, 5 packs)....of course they are gonna break is your molesting them hard! good greif! some people just cant handle things with care and thats the truth!

[evopete]

To be fair, the comic packs are of a little lower quality then their single pack brethen.. Try a single pack and it might surprise you.

I agree...Open a BAZOOKA, or HAWK and you will see a BIG Differnce.....

[spacemonkeymafia]

You got a bad batch...ALL MY FIGS ARE OPENED.........and these things blow the old ones out of the park.....Yes the feel flimsy compaired to the old RAH ones but the old ones cant pose like these.................Im very happy with the 25th sculpt (Except duke Arms).

[spacemonkeymafia]

Being a Star Wars guy and new to modern Joe I can't believe how tolerant you guys are of this 25th anniversary horse shit. If I hear one more guy say that he uses the clear rubber bands to keep the figure's weapons in place I might vomit. I'm also sickened by "These are better left in the package" and "These are meant for display". They're sold in the god damn toy aisle at Wal Mart! Any poor kid that buys one of these (or any parent that buys one for their kid) is not going to accept the fact that they can't hold their weapons worth a damn. Figures that can't hold weapons belong in the pink aisle. For god sake a VOTC Han Solo is from 2004, and it would play circles around these limp wristed soldiers. If I pitted my daughter's newest My Little Pony against my son's 25th Anniversary Storm Shadow Rainbow Dash would stomp the shit out of Storm Shadow while he repeatedly dropped his swords. When I was a kid, this would have been unthinkable. Rainbow Dash wouldn't have dared.

Dude Some of what you say is true....and being a collector of SW and Joe.........SW needs toget rid of the t Crotch........it sucks!!!!

And yes i have the VOTC Farm Luke...and the new Obi and Aniken...those 3 or the only SW figs on par with these Joes.........

[Kalibus]

No toyline is perfect. The only complaint i have about this line is the duke arms but thats a minor complaint since only some figures have em. Id rather have some figures with duke arms than my whole collection with a T-crotch.

[toolrocks302]

You got a bad batch...ALL MY FIGS ARE OPENED.........and these things blow the old ones out of the park.....Yes the feel flimsy compaired to the old RAH ones but the old ones cant pose like these.................Im very happy with the 25th sculpt (Except duke Arms).

Agreed. All my are open too and I have some RAH figures to compare them too and I think the modern era line is worlds better.

[OldSkolJoe]

MelodicJimmy,

Try reading the Review Forum before you decide to open any of your joes. They're usually spot on about the pros and cons of each figure. I didn't read the one on this particular comic pack but the one on firefly and SS, I ended up buying one and was pleased with the figs, especially considering I tend to stick with the single packs. The only other comic packs I picked up were the twins, (wasn't sure if these would be released as singles but by the looks of it, probably will) and the black head destro variant.

Definitely agree with coola784 " . . . you should just keep them moc, because they are fun to collect and in my opinion they look better moc anyway . . ."

[MeLikeJinx]

IMO you can't judge the 25th line by the Comic Packs, DVD Packs or especially those TRU 5 Packs. IMO The single cards are what the 25th line is all about (except the Arctic Extreme Condition Set looks pretty awesome, lol).

I think Wave 9 should be the 25th line's legacy; that set was awesome (and readily available at retail); you got a unexpectedly good Bazooka, an awesome General Hawk, a Black Ninja, and perhaps the 2 best well-made figures so far, BATS and Snow Serpents.

However, as cool as the 25th line is, IMO they look their coolest MOC. LOL. I don't have the will power to leave them unopened though. I MUST PLAY WITH THEM! LOL.

[slim19722]

If you have the receipt take it back for a refund. If you don't have a receipt take it to Target they will ask for your licence, at Target they will do two returns a year with no receipt.

Actually if you made a credit/debit purchase from Target, you can ger a refund without a reciept if it's within the 90 day refund limit(or however many days it is). They just look up your transaction history. I did twice with no problems.