Talk about a poor choice of words (Classic V.11 spoilers)

[DrKain]

So I just finished reading the 11th volume of CLassic GI Joe and wow, what a poor choice of words Cobra Commander used towards the end of that volume. "Get rid of the Joes" means to kill, not to let go. OUCH!! Poor Doc, Quick Kick, and the other guys that I barely knew.

[drunknmunky]

I don't it's really spoilers when it's 20+ years old lol. It was cool to see a few Joes get killed for a change. Poor SAW Viper is what I say.

[Troynos]

Poor SAW Viper? He was glad to do it and once CC realized how many Joes he had killed "more in one day then your entire army has in years" (or something like that is how the SAW put it), CC embraced him and honored him (if you saw showering him with babes and money is honoring him).

[drunknmunky]

That's his job though lol. He just happened to be really good at it. We don't hate the Joes for murdering Cobras so why should we hate the poor SAW Viper?

[DrKain]

Yeah, that was hysterical. I always thought CC never wanted to kill Joes because he did not want their wrath rained down upon him. THey would always stop him, but he was never out to take their blood, unlike the Dreadknocks.

Anyway, I am confused about an issue in VOlume 12. Is all of the Battleforce 2000 dead, including DeeJay, or was he just knocked unconcious? It is amazing how many Joes have died in this last 5 issues I have read. ALthough, I had no connection to Sneak Peak or Cool Breeze (in fact, I never heard of them before). I wished they had shown us what Snake-Eyes did to the SAW Viper though.

[drunknmunky]

If I remember right, Dodger is the only member of Battleforce 2000 that survives. Funny thing is Hama recently picked up the J joe story from the original run. Sneakpeek actually showed back up with, as far as I know, no explanation of how he came back.

[Zarana]

I wished they had shown us what Snake-Eyes did to the SAW Viper though.

I don't know, but if you believe in DDP he lived through it.

[Troynos]

There is an explanation for how Sneak Peek survived.. somewhat...

He faked his death to go deep undercover (which doesn't make much sense if the unit is already undercover but...). Hama hasn't explained how he faked the whole "Dusty carried his body for miles" scene.

[maczero]

I think this was the point when I started to lose all respect for the Commander. I mean you're the leader of the world's largest terrorist organization. Why wouldn't you execute your enemies? Even worse, was his "oh sh!+" response when he realized someone in his incompetent organization managed to actually kill a Joe.

[DrKain]

I think this was the point when I started to lose all respect for the Commander. I mean you're the leader of the world's largest terrorist organization. Why wouldn't you execute your enemies? Even worse, was his "oh sh!+" response when he realized someone in his incompetent organization managed to actually kill a Joe.

I wouldn't say I've lost respect for him, but ever since he came back he seems out of character. It's like Hama forgot how to write him during his absence. I also do not like the recent batch of costumes he has worn. The black with the hood was fine, but then he went into that random red, blue and gold costume out of nowhere for that war in that oil field, and then went to a blue one without gloves, which does not seem to be working for me right now. Does he ever go back to the face plated costume?

[maczero]

I wouldn't say I've lost respect for him, but ever since he came back he seems out of character. It's like Hama forgot how to write him during his absence.If you're talking about his two dollar word vocabulary and clownish behavior then that is consistent with how the Commander was written during the last 50 or so issues of the Marvel run.

[DrKain]

Yeah, I am in Classic Volume 13 and I think the issue I just read was probably the closes I have seen CC act like CC again. It was the one with Joe Colton and Headman (I believe 138).

[nero9000]

Yeah, I am in Classic Volume 13 and I think the issue I just read was probably the closes I have seen CC act like CC again. It was the one with Joe Colton and Headman (I believe 138).

That's #127. As for CCs behavior, I thought he was still written well after his return, even if he was a 'little' over the top. Some of his biggest successes came after that, most notably the whole Trucial Abysmia story, and there was no one around to usurp his power or undermine him. I agree that the blue and gold masked version looked terrible, though.

The closer we got to the end, the more clownish he got, and the more he was embarassed. That was only the last 20 or so issues, though. His last appearance in Marvel is probably his lowest point, which is sorta fitting, I guess?

[Rainbow Viper]

Does he ever go back to the face plated costume?

No. After he comes back he wears his hood for the rest of the run except for the few issues where he had the orange and gold helmet on. I personally think you're right at the part of the series where it was at its best. That's just my opinion though and most would possibly disagree. But I loved Andrew Wildman's art.

[DrKain]

That's #127. As for CCs behavior, I thought he was still written well after his return, even if he was a 'little' over the top. Some of his biggest successes came after that, most notably the whole Trucial Abysmia story, and there was no one around to usurp his power or undermine him. I agree that the blue and gold masked version looked terrible, though.

The closer we got to the end, the more clownish he got, and the more he was embarassed. That was only the last 20 or so issues, though. His last appearance in Marvel is probably his lowest point, which is sorta fitting, I guess?

Yeah, 127, I have no idea how I got 138. I think it is because I just dug out my Joe comics I have 136-138, 144, and 153 that I was thinking of 138.

Anyway, I am confused on something, how is Mindbende dead? He is in a later issue. At least, I'm pretty sure he is in one of the later issues I have. Also, did they really kill the kid that Blind Master/Zartan was mentoring? Or did they forget they threw him into the freighter?

[Troynos]

Tyler is dead. Never to return.

But CC isn't out of character. He just went looney (loonier anyways) towards the end of the series.

The last 30 issues, when it became "Featuring Snake Eyes" were the worst of the series.

I liked Wildman's art, but the stories during that time were bad.

Ninja Firefly was the worst.

[DrKain]

I don't mind that he is the Facelss Master, that is pretty cool, but yeah, his costume he just put on is terrible. Almost as terrible as Hawk's random space suit in one issue.

[Troynos]

Just wait for his cheerleader pyramid of doom.

[jogunwarrior]

I could understand why the Commander would not have wanted the Joe's killed. He didn't want them meddling at all, let alone going after him with a vengeance.

And poor Tyrone was tossed into the freighter to die. I'd like to see him come back at some point, and if Sneak Peek (who died on panel) can do it then so can Tyrone.

[Rainbow Viper]

Mindbender was cloned by CC in one of the "featuring snake eyes" issues I think. It may have been during the Transformers G2 arc which was also around the same time.

[DrKain]

I could understand why the Commander would not have wanted the Joe's killed. He didn't want them meddling at all, let alone going after him with a vengeance.

And poor Tyrone was tossed into the freighter to die. I'd like to see him come back at some point, and if Sneak Peek (who died on panel) can do it then so can Tyrone.

Haven't made it that far yet. I'll read the new Hama series after I finish Classic Volume 15 (which will probably be out in June at this rate) so I know what is going on and do not spoil myself of stuff I have not read yet. Even though I read the DDP series, I still have not known half of what went on during the Marvel run, which is awesome.

[chuck x goren]

When talking about Andrew Wildman... I noticed that this art didn't really go over the top until 1993 and issue 135 (the first "Starring Snake-Eyes and Ninja Force" issue. It's also Poly-bagged). Almost overnight he traded his own style to emulate Rob Liefeld. More lines on the faces, big poofy hair, exaggerated poses, etc.

Marvel was doing that with a lot of artists at the time. Even Herb Trimpe turned in a "Robbed Liefeld" performance in an issue of Fantastic Four Unlimited.

The title seems to rebound a little bit at issue 145. So hold on for that.

[DrKain]

When talking about Andrew Wildman... I noticed that this art didn't really go over the top until 1993 and issue 135 (the first "Starring Snake-Eyes and Ninja Force" issue. It's also Poly-bagged). Almost overnight he traded his own style to emulate Rob Liefeld. More lines on the faces, big poofy hair, exaggerated poses, etc.

Marvel was doing that with a lot of artists at the time. Even Herb Trimpe turned in a "Robbed Liefeld" performance in an issue of Fantastic Four Unlimited.

The title seems to rebound a little bit at issue 145. So hold on for that.

While I don't have 135, I know 136 and 138 are polybagged because I still have those issues unopened. They also come with some live action cards, which if I recall, are from the toy commercials.

I also have 145, as that is the one with CC and Mindbender, and it is probably the only issue I ever read as a kid.

[DrKain]

Awe man, I finished Volume 13 and now it is another month until 14 comes out and 15 does not have a release date yet. What am I supposed to read Joe wise until then?

BTW, CC shooting the Techno Viper was awesome.

[Clobbertron]

Not a comic but have you read Tales from the Cobra Wars?

[Troynos]

Not a comic but have you read Tales from the Cobra Wars?

Yes.

Bad.

Horrible editing.

Lackluster stories.

There's a thread somewhere I started where I meant to review every story, but I only ended up posting reviews of a couple. Read 'em all but none really stood out as good reads.


I would love if Joe ended up doing something like Star Wars' EU series of novels (not necessarily the current 9 book series).

[Clobbertron]

Yes.

Bad.

Horrible editing.

Lackluster stories.

There's a thread somewhere I started where I meant to review every story, but I only ended up posting reviews of a couple. Read 'em all but none really stood out as good reads.


I would love if Joe ended up doing something like Star Wars' EU series of novels (not necessarily the current 9 book series). wow
that bad eh? I've
had it for a while now but haven't even cracked it open. Is the other Max Brooks book any good?

[DrKain]

Not a comic but have you read Tales from the Cobra Wars?

No and I'm not interested in reading any books rights now. I just finished school and reading text books were a pain, add on top that I have been reading Fleming's Bond novels, Howard's Conan stories, and am currently in the middle of Dante's Inferno, and I need a break from books for a while.

[maczero]

wow
that bad eh? I've
had it for a while now but haven't even cracked it open. Is the other Max Brooks book any good?I enjoyed Tales from the Cobra Wars. The stories offer a lot more characterization than what we're getting in the reboot comics.

[Troynos]

wow
that bad eh? I've
had it for a while now but haven't even cracked it open. Is the other Max Brooks book any good?

Brooks only did the shortest of the novellas in Tales. He edits the rest of the stories.

I enjoyed Tales from the Cobra Wars. The stories offer a lot more characterization than what we're getting in the reboot comics.

I don't know. It was nice that it focused on more of the Joes (of course it was typically Snake Eyes, Duke, Scarlett but..) then we get in the IDW comics, but I don't know if Tales offered a lot more.

[Clobbertron]

Brooks only did the shortest of the novellas in Tales. He edits the rest of the stories.



I was referring to Hearts and Minds which I know is a comic and I haven't read it yet either.

[Troynos]

I was referring to Hearts and Minds which I know is a comic and I haven't read it yet either.

Can find my reviews on a couple of the Hearts And Minds issues in this forum or the link in my sig.

Overall the concept was great. Looking indepth on specific members of Joe and Cobra.

The execution wasn't there. The stories came across as incomplete.

On the Joe side, some of the more in-depth aspects didn't make any sense.

[maczero]

I don't know. It was nice that it focused on more of the Joes (of course it was typically Snake Eyes, Duke, Scarlett but..) then we get in the IDW comics, but I don't know if Tales offered a lot more.I think the stories and featured characters broke down like this:

Snake-Eyes - Snake-Eyes (obviously)
Flint & Steel - Flint
Speedtrap - Skidmark
Just A Game - Brainstorm
Unfriendly Fire - Duke
The Gun Show - Duke (Red Dog gets a decent amount of shine)
Message in a Bottle - A young hacker working for Cobra
Exorcist - A potential G.I. Joe recruit