2008 Joes???

[Darth Kun]

I was wondering if there is any news about several characters that have not been released yet such as...

Cover Girl
Jinx
SGT. Slaughter
Falcon
Cobra Viper
Zarana
Lifeline
Quick Kick
Dusty
Tunnel Rat
Major Blood
The Twins from Cobra (Names escape me)
B.A.T.S

Sorry if these questions have surfaced before but i didn't see any other threads reguarding unannounced figure speculation.

[OUTBACK]

can't wait...seems like Hasbro is really listening and stepping it up.

[C.I.A.D.]

Darth, everything I've posted below is pure speculation at this point, but for some reason I recall reading it somewhere else, so here goes:


SGT. Slaughter - I remember something about licensing...don't remember if it was good or bad though. sorry :(


Cobra Viper - There's another thread circulating right now pertaining to the Viper's name coming up in Wal*Marts system. We're still waiting confirmation from a few members who are also WM employees.

Major Bludd - Same as above

The Twins from Cobra (Names escape me) - Tomax & Xamot are rumored to be coming to us via Comic Pack...whether or not that's anywhere near true remains to be seen.

B.A.T.S - Haven't heard anything about it, but this one's a no brainer.



As for others on your list, no idea :(

[Shogi]

I know Hasbro has said that the Bats are on the short list of figures they want to do

I believe the licensing thing with the Sarge fell into the bad catagory :(

As for the twins I'm pretty sure, everyone wants them released in a 2 pack and believes that they'll probably be released in a comic pack but this is all speculation so far

[sharke]

SGT. Slaughter - I remember something about licensing...don't remember if it was good or bad though. sorry :(


Jakks (or whoever) owns the rights, Fun Publications got away with since it wasn't a market item, only a convention exclusive

as for no brainers, I thought the Snow Serpent was one but they took him off their "list"

[Hicks_Royel]

Hard to believe that the real Sgt Slaughter wouldn't want another figure made in his likeness... I'm sure he could use the money. Besides wasn't he part of a recent JoeCon set? Edit Well ^ answers that...

B.A.T.s and Vipers are certainly likely.

Course, I'd also like to see Lowlight, Dusty and Mainframe.

As for the twins, I wonder if Hasbro will do like it did with the one Troop Builder set. Release one twin with a mess of CGs and the other in a second set.

Edit: Ooo... Snow Serpents would be awesome. Gotta have someone to fight Snowjob.

[Nemesis*Prime]

As for the twins, I wonder if Hasbro will do like it did with the one Troop Builder set. Release one twin with a mess of CGs and the other in a second set.

Edit: Ooo... Snow Serpents would be awesome. Gotta have someone to fight Snowjob.

If Hasbro will actually release a 25A Snow Serpent. Hasbro says that they won't but they said the same thing about Tiger Force and Python Patrol repaints, and now there's a Wal-Mart listing for a Tiger Force Flint. So anything could happen . . .

As for the Twins, another TRU CG set sounds like a good idea. Then i wouldn't have to worry about being able to get my hands on as many of the new Crimson Guards as I wanted.

[sharke]

If Hasbro will actually release a 25A Snow Serpent. Hasbro says that they won't but they said the same thing about Tiger Force and Python Patrol repaints, and now there's a Wal-Mart listing for a Tiger Force Flint. So anything could happen . . .


I'll believe the Tigerforce Flint repaint when I have it in hand. Until then, its unlikely.

[Omegawrath]

I'll believe the Tigerforce Flint repaint when I have it in hand. Until then, its unlikely.
I wouldn't say it's unlikely...

[Hicks_Royel]

Seems kinda early in to be releasing special forces variants... unless it's part of an "Exclusive" Set for Wal-Mart. Still, with all the potential characters left out there to create going back and painting Flint in yellow and black seems awkward. But... this is Hasbro.

I just hope that the time I mentioned calling the Stalker variant a Tiger Force figure wasn't the one time Hasbro opted to listen to an idea of mine. If so, my bad...

[Darth Kun]

Tiger force already? Thats not a good idea unless it'a for a retail exclusive. Why are the snow serpants not going to be done? Those are relavent figures to be made. Also why no Grunt? One of my favorite figures as a kid was Grunt, why no 25 of him i wonder?

[Shogi]

Tiger force already? Thats not a good idea unless it'a for a retail exclusive. Why are the snow serpants not going to be done? Those are relavent figures to be made. Also why no Grunt? One of my favorite figures as a kid was Grunt, why no 25 of him i wonder?

Two things to note: There is going to be a Wal-mart exclusive (No one knows what it's gonna be yet)

Hasbro has plans to release the original 13 figures in the 25th style. So while there's no mention of Grunt yet, he should get made at some point (Wave 1-3 only gave us 3 of the originals and we have 3 more definately showing up in 2008)

[CaptainDinobot]

Cover Girl
Jinx
SGT. Slaughter
Falcon
Cobra Viper
Zarana
Lifeline
Quick Kick
Dusty
Tunnel Rat
Major Blood
TOMAX and XAMOT
B.A.T.S


This entire group covers my most wanted figures except for the rest of the original 13 and a few others.

[slim19722]

Yeah, Hasbro said in the last Q&A, the original 13 would be made available, "in some form or another", which leaves me to believe some on singles cards, comic packs, or with a vehicle(Hasbro said future vehicles would depend on how the Target excluisves go).

[CaptainDinobot]

We have 6 of the 13 confirmed. If Hasbro releases a 5-pack containing 5 new characters from the original 13, we would have 11 of them. I think a good 5 pack would be:

Breaker
Zap
Grunt
Short-Fuze
Rock N Roll

[slim19722]

I wouldn't mind seeing some of the original 13 released in a 5-pack, but with a memebr and 4 green shirts. Hasbro could satisfy 2 needs at one time, those who wanna army build and those who want the original 13. Since I missed out on the first TRU green shirts.

[CaptainDinobot]

Yeah, green shirts would be a cool idea. Would like to see a 5 pack with the Crimson Twins and 3 Crimson Guards. I love excuses to buy extra army builder figures.

[gunslingercbr]

I wouldn't mind seeing some of the original 13 released in a 5-pack, but with a memebr and 4 green shirts. Hasbro could satisfy 2 needs at one time, those who wanna army build and those who want the original 13. Since I missed out on the first TRU green shirts.
I think there are far less greenshirt army builders than collectors who want the rest of the original 13, not just one member. packing a new figure with greenshirts doesn't really satisfy either consumers needs.

[Steevy Maximus]

Between single cards, comic packs, and vehicles (not to mention exclusives), a good number of those figures listed are likely coming. The only ones I question are:
Sgt. Slaughter (for the rights issues)
and Covergirl (She really isn't that dynamic a figure, IMO, and aside from being another female figure, doesn't really hold much marketing appeal)

The general rule of thumb I use in expecting what figures are if the character has:
-Had significant appearance in a cartoon medium
-Has had more than 2 non-repaint releases in the modern line (see Beachhead, Dusty, Tunnel Rat, Frostbite for second tier examples)
-If the character was released between 1983-86 (yes, we've got 82, 87/88 figures in the mix, but I realistically expect that three year range to get the most attention as that was when Joe was at its peak with the cartoon)

[Hicks_Royel]

Well, anything listed as an "82" Figure would fall into the "83" line-up as well, truthfully.

As for Greenshirts... eh, I think GI Joe was based more on the individual Joe characters and not the Faceless masses. I think I'd rather they continue to fill the Joe Ranks with second string characters than resort to greenshirts. Until they get to Deejay or someone equally lame.

[ogre_h]

I'd go for a 5 pack of some of the original 13. I never got the idea of Greenshirts. The Joes were supposed to be elites. Greenshirts if they exist should just be regular army. Cobra has the hordes of faceless soldiers.

[tkprime]

Hicks) Man you had to poke fun at BattleForce 2000, well remember this please, The Iron Grenadiers are the Cobra version of BF2000 (remember the cards people) I get bent out of shape when people say bad things about a certain joe, (star wars gets reissues of every single 1 second character in the mix, why then are we the joe forum gripping about single figures that shouldn't make the cut)? I say release them all!!!! Every figure that was doen originally needs a proper reissue, even chuckles, sure the whole neon piant jobs were a bit weird, but some of my fav figures are from the battlecorps lin, and the sub-groups, Hasbro has made some mistakes, but as a whole I'm happy with the direction of the line, I just would like to see hasbro open up the archive and bring us the battle rangers and other figures that were never made. that's my 2 cents!

[Chuckles #1 Fan]

Hey why the dig at Chuckles? he had a cool hawaiian shirt and worked undercover

[Hicks_Royel]

Hicks) Man you had to poke fun at BattleForce 2000, well remember this please, The Iron Grenadiers are the Cobra version of BF2000 (remember the cards people) I get bent out of shape when people say bad things about a certain joe, (star wars gets reissues of every single 1 second character in the mix, why then are we the joe forum gripping about single figures that shouldn't make the cut)? I say release them all... and so forth... that's my 2 cents!

Well, I didn't realize I was going to draw blood... But the point I was trying to make was there's a long line of actual "Joes" that need to make the cut before they start mass producing Green shirts. When they get down to Characters that genuinely weren't great sellers (and probably still will never sell) then they can unleash the green horde...

Personally, Dee-jay seemed like a miss and way, way, way down on the list... Especially compared to the rest of the '89 Line-up.

Chuckles certainly could sell, if for no other reason his Miami Vice feel.

But if it makes you feel any better, I also hated the Majority of the Joe's Ninja Force characters.

[Stygian]

I say release them all!!!!

I would agree with you, but let's benefit from hindsight and ixnay some of the more....uhhh, questionable choices Hasbro has made over the years.

For instance, guys like Topside, Stretcher, Raptor, and Deejay (to name just a few) were poor ideas at conception. Although they may have their fans, let's just not go there again and make the same mistakes we did in the past.

There were plenty of Joes made in the early to mid/late 80's who are well worth making in the 25th style first, before we grab that laddle and start hitting the bottom of the pot.

Edit- Sorry, it appears that many of my comments echo the post above this one. Oh well, more voices added to the choir I suppose.

[Xerofall]

*sniff sniff*

Dee-Jay was my all time favorite character... now I've got nothing, NOTHING! Might as well die now, nothing left to live for.

Haha, actually, the comics made BattleForce 2000 look cool, Not the vehicles so much, but the figures. I'll post my favorite pics of them later tonight.

I'm a little concerned at the amount of Snake-eyes, Storm-Shadows, Cobra Commanders and Dukes we're seeing already.

[Darth Kun]

personally im not alot of the vechiles having pack in figures. I say bring them out on cards...now if they want to put duke's head on ace's body for example then thats fine but dont put ace out with a 50 buck plane...that kills collectors like me.

As for the lesser known joes, bring out the original ones first, then go back to the drawing board on the lesser ones, revamp them for the newer times and make them more exciting.

While characters like Cover Girl, Rock-N-Roll may be second tier characters they still need to be made, and single carded please.

[Monkeywrench]

I'm a little concerned at the amount of Snake-eyes, Storm-Shadows, Cobra Commanders and Dukes we're seeing already.

I agree completely.

[Monkeywrench]

While characters like Cover Girl, Rock-N-Roll may be second tier characters they still need to be made, and single carded please.


I agree. I would like the 25th figures to stay in the 82-86 timeline if possible.

[DarthBrett]

To only re-make figures from the '82-'86 time-line would be kind of foolish on Hasbro's part, as there were some very interesting characters from '87-'90 even (I stopped collecting them in '88, but I've looked on YoeJoe and there are quite a few figures from '89-90 that I'd like to see remade even though I had moved on on that point back in those days). I look at it like this, it's the anniversary of the entire Real American Hero line, not just 1982-1986. Besides, even if some of us were into it in the early 80's doesn't mean every fan collected those years, too. I am sure there are a lot of fans that would like to see some figures made from '87-'90 (I can't speak for '91-'94, those were just plain awful....JK!)

[Hicks_Royel]

*sniff sniff*

Dee-Jay was my all time favorite character... now I've got nothing, NOTHING! Might as well die now, nothing left to live for.

I call your 25th Collection.

As for figures... ironically, I prefer the '89 Rock'n Roll figure... And many of the that year's Cobra line-up. Night-Vipers and Alley Vipers were awesome figures with great profiles. The all-too Predator Frag Viper and TARGAT were pretty cool too.

Plus we got Slaughter's Marauders and Night Force. Repaints, yes, but awesome themes.

[Stygian]

Okay, so here's a somewhat obvious question. If we've already seen "customs" of past GI Joe figures done in the 25th style (Airtight, Zarana, Lifeline, Shockwave, Leatherneck, Alley Viper, et. al.) does this mean we'll eventually be seeing these sprinkled in with various upcoming waves?

It seems logical that they were created on 'spec' for 2007, to either generate interest in the line and or have on hand in case the line took off. As the line has officially taken off, I wonder how long it will be before these guys show up?

[DarthBrett]

I wouldn't be surprised if these guys show up if the line continues past 2008 (which I really think it will now). Although I think the final versions might actually use more original pieces than the customs shown at Comic-Con did. Slaughter is the only guy that we might have to make ourselves. Which doesn't look too hard to do (Gung Ho head; Roadblock Chest, torso and arms; Destro legs; and Cobra Trooper's belt. The hat, whistle and shades are custom-made it appears).

[Stygian]

I wouldn't be surprised if these guys show up if the line continues past 2008 (which I really think it will now). Although I think the final versions might actually use more original pieces than the customs shown at Comic-Con did. Slaughter is the only guy that we might have to make ourselves. Which doesn't look too hard to do (Gung Ho head; Roadblock Chest, torso and arms; Destro legs; and Cobra Trooper's belt. The hat, whistle and shades are custom-made it appears).

See, and I don't get why we'd have to make a custom Slaughter anyway. He figured (no pun intended) pretty predominantly at SDCC this year at the Hasbro booth, and still seems to be pretty indeliably linked to all things GI Joe, so it makes complete sense that he'd be included as a 25th Joe at some point- possible mail away?

You really think it will take until beyond 2008 before we see some of the figures I mentioned? The sculpts appear already complete, so why wait so long to release them? I mean, I'd much rather see Shockwave than some obscure Red Ninja character who only appeared in the comics, and wasn't included in the original 1980's Joe lineup anyway. Granted, I realize he's a Storm Shadow body, and it took very little for Hasbro to use existing parts to throw him together, but, well, hopefully you see where I'm going with this.

[GunghosLipHair]

raptor was awesome. i always used him as my scout back in the day and as a scout trainer. i want reissues of the majority of figures. i was born in 82 so the original joes (which i owned) were never my favorite. i was into the 87-91 timeline more or less.

[GunghosLipHair]

also topside was a great figure. it had a nice sculpt and awesome accessories. looked awesome all decked out with the missle pack. ill give you guys stretcher. he kind of sucked.

the worst 1990 fig imo was bullhorn and that was just because of the dumb bullhorn he came with. his look was sweet though with the camo and mask.

[Hicks_Royel]

Well, another character that never needs to return for me anyway, Crystal Ball...s... heh.

[artiepants]

To only re-make figures from the '82-'86 time-line would be kind of foolish on Hasbro's part, as there were some very interesting characters from '87-'90 even)
sure, but think abnout this:
there's a limited number of slots to fill, and the 82-86era has the advantage of being the most recognizeable to the 'cartoon crowd'

at 5 figures a wave and a wave aproximately every 2 months that's only 30 figures for next year (and we already no one of the first wave is a redeco of '82 snake-eyes) so if you factor in one redeco or alternate version of a character (like IG Destro or armoured CC) per wave, we're just NOT going to get a decades worth of figures out of this line (especially when the focus will shift, most likely unless the strike pushes it back, to the movie line in the first half of 2009)

obviously, the comic packs will bolster that a bit, but even there we're only getting 4 new characters in the first 2 waves.

but to Hasbro's credit, while i could personally due without a few (serpentor anyone?) i think they've been making some solid choices in the line up.

now if i could find Firefly....

[GunghosLipHair]

Well, another character that never needs to return for me anyway, Crystal Ball...s... heh.


i must have the worst taste in characters because i thought crystal ball was ok. not the best but far from the worst. lol its funny how different everyone's opinions are.

[dasaffe]

The 1991 lineup of the original series was great.

Dusty V3 (with the beret and the wolf)
Sci-Fi V2 (dark gray with the rocket launcher)
Big Ben
Crimson Guard Immortal
Desert Scorpion

Some of the best figures in the line right there.

I wouldn't mind seeing a Dusty V3 or Sci-Fi V2 in 25th Style

But that said, I think a V1 Dusty or Sci-Fi would probably be more popular.

[DarthBrett]

I think the problem with Slaughter is the licensing rights. If I have read correctly, Jaxx owns his likeness now and therefore Hasbro can't make him anymore. I could be completely wrong about this, though so if somebody has the correct answer please let us know.

In regards to Hasbro only doing '82-'86 figures. They actually have done two post '86 figures now, Storm Shadow (v2 Joe) and Destro (v2 Iron Grenadier), who are both from 1988. I think there are a lot of characters that people would like to see that were made after '86. Most of the Comic-Con customs were of '87-'91 characters and I am starting to think Hasbro might have done this to gage the fan's interest in these later years. I think this line is here to stay now and I really am hopeful that we will start seeing more post '86 figures being made in the latter half of 2008 and after that.

[Obiwanjacoby]

i must have the worst taste in characters because i thought crystal ball was ok. not the best but far from the worst.

Agreed. The way he was rendered in the current Storm Shadow mini-series actually made me appreciate him more.

And I'm also with you on Raptor. A terrorist that can train huge flocks of birds would truly scare the hell out of me. The obsessive-looking fursuit makes him that much scarier. Imagine him sending an entire flock of birds into a suicide mission through the engines of a 787 Dreamliner.

Holy crap in a hat! :eek:

-PJ

[Obiwanjacoby]

I think this line is here to stay now and I really am hopeful that we will start seeing more post '86 figures being made in the latter half of 2008 and after that.

Okay Brett (edit: or anyone else), do you think we'll be seeing movie figures and 25th-style figures sold at the same time and in the same section of the toy aisle?

Hypothetically speaking, do you think the line would be able to support both?

-PJ

[DarthBrett]

Good question. I think the answer to that really depends on how well the line can sustain it's current popularity for the next year. If this line is just as popular by the end of 2008 and keeps making Hasbro richer, I think Hasbro might actually think about having both this and the movie line at the same time. However, I think the more likely scenario will be the movie line being the premiere Joe line in 2009, and then this line coming back by late '09 or early '10. I think if GI Joe (ARAH) could last for 25 years then there's no reason why it can not last in it's current form for another 25 years.

I will say this. If this line of re-dos of the old ARAH '82-'94 line ceases to exist after 2008, I will be extremely disappointed.

[artiepants]

I think the more likely scenario will be the movie line being the premiere Joe line in 2009, and then this line coming back by late '09 or early '10. I think if GI Joe (ARAH) could last for 25 years then there's no reason why it can not last in it's current form for another 25 years.
i'd say this is the most likely scenerio: equate it a bit to how Hasbro handled the Transformers movie stuff ~ it's getting about a year run and then the TF:Animated (the horror! :p) line starts early next year as they are phasing out the last of the movie redecos, etc.

if the 25th-style ARAH does well enough that they decide to continue i'd say most likely look to a year after the movie...

[Hicks_Royel]

i must have the worst taste in characters because i thought crystal ball was ok. not the best but far from the worst. lol its funny how different everyone's opinions are.

Eh... maybe he's had some kinda reimagination along the lines that I'm not aware of... but yeah, the original character just wasn't what I was looking for in a GI Joe villian. Plus I think his name sucks.

Maybe he'd fit better into the Metal Gear Series. Kinda like Raptor... But I didn't mind Raptor.

[Monkeywrench]

I wouldn't mind seeing a Dusty V3 or Sci-Fi V2 in 25th Style

But that said, I think a V1 Dusty or Sci-Fi would probably be more popular.


I would love to see Dusty also. However he must be a reflection of his version 1 figure.

[Hicks_Royel]

Yeah V1 Dusty all the way.

[Stygian]

I think the problem with Slaughter is the licensing rights. If I have read correctly, Jaxx owns his likeness now and therefore Hasbro can't make him anymore. I could be completely wrong about this, though so if somebody has the correct answer please let us know.

In regards to Hasbro only doing '82-'86 figures. They actually have done two post '86 figures now, Storm Shadow (v2 Joe) and Destro (v2 Iron Grenadier), who are both from 1988. I think there are a lot of characters that people would like to see that were made after '86. Most of the Comic-Con customs were of '87-'91 characters and I am starting to think Hasbro might have done this to gage the fan's interest in these later years. I think this line is here to stay now and I really am hopeful that we will start seeing more post '86 figures being made in the latter half of 2008 and after that.

Thanks for the info., Darth. I agree with your assessment as it makes complete sense.

Let's hope your right, in saying that the line is here to stay. I'd be completely comfortable with that.

[Griffin73]

I want a wraith figure!

[Irid70]

I want a wraith figure!

Seconded, but not holding my breath.

[Golobulous]

I hope the classic joe line does not go the way of the transformers classics line. It was smokin awesome, then the movie toys came out and it totally was gone. And it sold like hotcakes. I mean no one could find them anywhere they were selling so well. I just hope that is not a bad omen for things to come

[canprime]

I hope the classic joe line does not go the way of the transformers classics line. It was smokin awesome, then the movie toys came out and it totally was gone. And it sold like hotcakes. I mean no one could find them anywhere they were selling so well. I just hope that is not a bad omen for things to come

Well to be fair, the Classics line is coming back in the fall. So I don't think they will abandon the 25th Joes if the movie does well.

Although I do have to say I am quite disappointed in the Transformers Classic figures that are coming this fall. Most of them don't really impress me like the first waves.

[The Sarge!]

I really hope they make a SGT. Slaughter figure.

[wr2]

I would really love an Airborne and Blowtorch.

[Golobulous]

I am all for the classic joe line never stopping. And you say the transformers classics line is coming back full bore? that is great news. I just thought from reading toyfair that there would only be two or three figures.

[artiepants]

Although I do have to say I am quite disappointed in the Transformers Classic figures that are coming this fall. Most of them don't really impress me like the first waves.
really? i think they're spectacular, especially Prowl and Sunstreaker.

[VIPER 48]

I would really love an Airborne and Blowtorch.


I would also like to see these 2 made...