Retaliation Plot: Duke doesn't die???

[SUPERVERITECH]

I know that wikipedia isn't the best source of reliable information but the plot according to the film's wiki page states that "Zartan (who is last seen in disguise as the President of the United States) frames all G.I. Joe operatives as traitors and wipes most of them out in a sneak attack, leaving only Duke, Roadblock, Snake Eyes, Flint and Lady Jaye.


Are we to believe this?

[Zarana]

No. It's just dudes guessing.

[Shin-Gouki]

Hope Not

[Headman]

I'm thinking the trailor was meant to make us think Duke was dead. Seems like a good plan considering the buzz it's caused on websites like this.

[Hmheggins2000]

Duke goes into a coma like he does in sunbow cartoons.

[MeLikeJinx]

...and wipes most of them out in a sneak attack, leaving only Duke, Roadblock, Snake Eyes, Flint and Lady Jaye.
Not looking good for Joe 3.

[XAMOT]

Honestly I'm more curious of what happened to the rest of the cast from ROC. If Duke does just go into a coma that'll be hilarious to me.

[fireflyguy]

I wanna see the movie already! Only 196 more days!

[Troynos]

That's just people guessing from the trailer.

[Loose Cannon]

Good now they can go small and we can get an OG 13 sized team. But does this mean Scarlett and Ripcord and Heavy Duty and Breaker are all dead?

[bandonov]

The "Real" story of Duke is here as I just thought of it so I know it is True, LOL!

Rex Lewis (Cobra Commander) wants his revenge on Duke and Death is not enough! So he caputures Duke and leaves him to the care of Police Academy's Finest location The Blue Oyster Cafe so he can Dance the night away!

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[sci-find]

The "Real" story of Duke is here as I just thought of it so I know it is True, LOL!

Rex Lewis (Cobra Commander) wants his revenge on Duke and Death is not enough! So he caputures Duke and leaves him to the care of Police Academy's Finest location The Blue Oyster Cafe so he can Dance the night away!

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Wow that must be it, makes total sense!!

[sharky]

The "Real" story of Duke is here as I just thought of it so I know it is True, LOL!

Rex Lewis (Cobra Commander) wants his revenge on Duke and Death is not enough! So he caputures Duke and leaves him to the care of Police Academy's Finest location The Blue Oyster Cafe so he can Dance the night away!

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That wouldn't be punishment for him.

[PROVOST]

If Duke does just go into a coma that'll be hilarious to me.

If this does occur I'll have to pay the closest possible attention given Tatum playing non-comatose situations has no difference

[elixer]

Duke gets blown to bits as Roadblock screams IF YA SMELLLLLL WHAT THE ROCK................IS COOKING. Then Roadblock borrows Razor Ramon's toothpick to clean the pieces of Duke from his teeth.

[GI Guppy the third]

Good now they can go small and we can get an OG 13 sized team. But does this mean Scarlett and Ripcord and Heavy Duty and Breaker are all dead?

Unless i see them in this movie, I would assume they aren't.

[Troynos]

The more I think about it, the more I think that Heavy Duty, Ripcord, Scarlett, Hawk, Breaker will be mentioned to be imprisoned.

This way, those characters can come back in a 3rd movie, and probably with different actors at that point, if Paramount wants them to.

[bandonov]

The more I think about it, the more I think that Heavy Duty, Ripcord, Scarlett, Hawk, Breaker will be mentioned to be imprisoned.

This way, those characters can come back in a 3rd movie, and probably with different actors at that point, if Paramount wants them to.

Then they have to be held at different prison as there is no way that SE would leave them there when he escapes. Unless that clip of them locking SE down is at the end of the movie.

[Troynos]

Then they have to be held at different prison as there is no way that SE would leave them there when he escapes. Unless that clip of them locking SE down is at the end of the movie.

Could very well be. Or there's no way that SE can rescue them.

Lots of possibilities beyond them just being dead.

[GI Guppy the third]

You know I don't think they even need to be mentioned by name. Simply addressing the fact that they can't contact the Pit so there's no telling if their team was the only one hit does enough to leave it open.

As for Duke, I think you'll get a scene where he's pulled out of the rubble of the first action sequence. Since it's assumed that these 3 characters were able to take cover and avoid being killed by the extermination team, it's completely plausible that Duke, possibly others, took cover somewhere and became trapped. It will probably be an after credits sequence where a surprise character comes in and digs him out.

I don't want him captured, it's just too much that Duke would have spent more time in two movies captured than doing anything else.

At the same time, if Duke faces CC then it drudges up Rex again and the Baroness being his love interest. Without Duke confronting Rex, he will be able to continue his alter ego of CC any fashion the creators feel fit.

[Troynos]

Yeah, I have a feeling they won't be killed. It just seems a waste of potential characters. Yes, Joe has a ton of characters, but only a handful that are really recognizable outside of Joe fandom.

Most of the characters they're using (named) in the two movies are characters that have appeared fairly recently in other Joe media.

Ripcord is the exception (Renegades came after RoC and I think his inclusion in Renegades was because he was in RoC) and this was probably more along the lines of "Wayans is in the movie, we need a character for him".

Breaker is the other exception and I think it just came down to "we need a computer guy, give us some names" (kind of like how Dial-Tone became female in Resolute, Warren Ellis was just given a list of the Joe's communications people and he picked it).

Heavy Duty, Scarlett, Hawk, Duke, Snake Eyes were in Sigma Six.

Tunnel Rat, Flint, Roadblock, Lady Jaye were in Renegades.

I don't think it's a coincedance.

[zx670]

Duke goes into a coma like he does in sunbow cartoons.

OMG, you are so ingenious! I haven't heard that one before!

I'm thinking the trailor was meant to make us think Duke was dead. Seems like a good plan considering the buzz it's caused on websites like this.

Yes I think you are correct. Regardless of whether he is or is not, Duke is now THE buzzword on Joe forums.

But does this mean Scarlett and Ripcord and Heavy Duty and Breaker are all dead?

Roadblock says: "We're all that's left." I'd take that to mean yes, but it is still speculation.

[Troynos]

Roadblock says: "We're all that's left." I'd take that to mean yes, but it is still speculation.

But there's nothing that says the "all" is him, Flint and Lady Jaye specifically and only.

[zx670]

Then they have to be held at different prison as there is no way that SE would leave them there when he escapes. Unless that clip of them locking SE down is at the end of the movie.

Could very well be. Or there's no way that SE can rescue them.

Lots of possibilities beyond them just being dead.

So SS is good enough to rescue CC but SE can't rescue the Joes? Uh oh.

As for Duke, I think you'll get a scene where he's pulled out of the rubble of the first action sequence. Since it's assumed that these 3 characters were able to take cover and avoid being killed by the extermination team, it's completely plausible that Duke, possibly others, took cover somewhere and became trapped. It will probably be an after credits sequence where a surprise character comes in and digs him out.

I don't want him captured, it's just too much that Duke would have spent more time in two movies captured than doing anything else.

At the same time, if Duke faces CC then it drudges up Rex again and the Baroness being his love interest. Without Duke confronting Rex, he will be able to continue his alter ego of CC any fashion the creators feel fit.

I guess it is plausible, but pulling dog tags off of someone looking somewhat similar to Tatum is pretty telling.

[zx670]

But there's nothing that says the "all" is him, Flint and Lady Jaye specifically and only.

"All" is pretty all encompassing. But yes, he could have meant only at that particular station and probably did, but I'm going to assume it is a way for those characters to be out of the franchise until I see otherwise. Death offscreen is a very convenient way to do so, just ask Charlie Sheen.

[krooklyn]

I know that wikipedia isn't the best source of reliable information but the plot according to the film's wiki page states that "Zartan (who is last seen in disguise as the President of the United States) frames all G.I. Joe operatives as traitors and wipes most of them out in a sneak attack, leaving only Duke, Roadblock, Snake Eyes, Flint and Lady Jaye.


Are we to believe this?

Wikipedia is a lot more accurate than IMDB.

[CrimsonGuard101]

Tataum is not happy with being in the film and he wants to move on, so I figure this film is going to give him the exit he wants. He will either be killed or put into a coma or become missing in action. So I wouldn't put it past em to either kill him off or transition him out in someway so when he comes back they can pick up a new actor (if we move to movie 3)

[GI Guppy the third]

I guess it is plausible, but pulling dog tags off of someone looking somewhat similar to Tatum is pretty telling.

We've addressed that in other threads. That's not Tatum. You can tell by the sideburns.

I think it's either a jobber or Mouse.

[krooklyn]

The interesting thing about all this "speculation" on Duke's supposed demise, is that it seems for all the Tatum haters, Duke's death is what you want. And all this assuming is wishful thinking. Whether there is a third film in the saga, or whether Tatum would want to return to the franchise, GI Joe as a brand is bigger than one character. That's the beauty of GI Joe, countless A, B, C and D characters to draw on to continue telling the story.

[GI Guppy the third]

"All" is pretty all encompassing. But yes, he could have meant only at that particular station and probably did, but I'm going to assume it is a way for those characters to be out of the franchise until I see otherwise. Death offscreen is a very convenient way to do so, just ask Charlie Sheen.

Depends on the context of the scene. "All" could be all of the soldiers that were there which by the looks of the 5 transports is a few dozen. People are assuming that EVERY Joe is there which just seems kind of stupid on the part of an elite fighting unit. Flint doesn't have Jedi senses to know that every Joe across the world is dead but it's safe to say they took a huge hit.

[supermanblue]

They would be silly to kill off main character names like Scarlett, Hawk and yes even Duke. But if we look at ROC when Hawk is showing duke and Rip the PIT, there seemed to be hundreds of "troop builder" type joes training. Those are the Joes I suspect are dead. Maybe they will make reference to a couple of names who are dead that we will know.

[krooklyn]

Depends on the context of the scene. "All" could be all of the soldiers that were there which by the looks of the 5 transports is a few dozen. People are assuming that EVERY Joe is there which just seems kind of stupid on the part of an elite fighting unit. Flint doesn't have Jedi senses to know that every Joe across the world is dead but it's safe to say they took a huge hit.

There is no sense in debating with everyone assuming Duke is dead. This is what they want to believe. They don't like the actor and they would rather see the character killed off, as a way of taking Tatum out of the picture.

[Serpymatt]

Duke can't die... if someone kills him before Serpentor does, I will be pissed! He was robbed and deserves to put that pile of crap out of his misery! :)

[gunslingercbr]

Maybe they will make reference to a couple of names who are dead that we will know.
I don't see that serving any purpose whatsoever. it makes sense to introduce some characters with names in the scene in the trailer, and then they get killed. but randomly dropping names that have never been on screen and the audience doesn't know accomplishes nothing for the audience.

while they are certainly trying to appease us fans with the movie, it is still being made and expected to be followed by the regular movie goer. and saying "Backblast is dead" if he isn't in the movie and the audience never sees him would just leave the audience thinking "who is Backblast and why do I give a fuck?"

[GI Guppy the third]

I don't see that serving any purpose whatsoever. it makes sense to introduce some characters with names in the scene in the trailer, and then they get killed. but randomly dropping names that have never been on screen and the audience doesn't know accomplishes nothing for the audience.

while they are certainly trying to appease us fans with the movie, it is still being made and expected to be followed by the regular movie goer. and saying "Backblast is dead" if he isn't in the movie and the audience never sees him would just leave the audience thinking "who is Backblast and why do I give a fuck?"

and it just eliminates potential cameo characters in future sequels. If there are any.

Just do like IDW and make up a bunch of jobber callsigns to kill off.

[GI Guppy the third]

Duke can't die... if someone kills him before Serpentor does, I will be pissed! He was robbed and deserves to put that pile of crap out of his misery! :)

Is that on his bucket list?

[CrimsonGuard101]

Is that on his bucket list?

Duke's or Serpentor's?

[VideoViper]

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Cool Breeze dies. :)

[bandonov]

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Cool Breeze dies. :)

NOoooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

[supermanblue]

I don't see that serving any purpose whatsoever. it makes sense to introduce some characters with names in the scene in the trailer, and then they get killed. but randomly dropping names that have never been on screen and the audience doesn't know accomplishes nothing for the audience.

while they are certainly trying to appease us fans with the movie, it is still being made and expected to be followed by the regular movie goer. and saying "Backblast is dead" if he isn't in the movie and the audience never sees him would just leave the audience thinking "who is Backblast and why do I give a fuck?"

And I get that. That was not said to say that's what I want. It was more along the lines of this is a Movie, and seeing how the last one was messed up. This is a toy/comic movie-they always mess it up some how...or should say that the fans are typically not always satisfied. I just would not be suprised.
Some cheesy line like (since you said it :-)) "Backblast, Breaker, Heavy Duty, Everyones dead!!!. lol All I'm saying.

[zx670]

We've addressed that in other threads. That's not Tatum. You can tell by the sideburns.

Fine, then I'll just stick with the fact he was there before and during the betrayal and not after. Whatever actually happens in the movie aside, the trailer leads you to believe he is dead with all the rest, leaving Flint, Lady Jaye and Roadblock at that particular station.

Depends on the context of the scene. "All" could be all of the soldiers that were there which by the looks of the 5 transports is a few dozen. People are assuming that EVERY Joe is there which just seems kind of stupid on the part of an elite fighting unit. Flint doesn't have Jedi senses to know that every Joe across the world is dead but it's safe to say they took a huge hit.

Zartan clears that up with his statements as the POTUS on the Whitehouse lawn. Now, they very well could have missed a few, but "the Joes were terminated with extreme prejudice" is pretty cut and dry. No need to check on Flint's midichlorian count.

[GI Guppy the third]

Zartan clears that up with his statements as the POTUS on the Whitehouse lawn. Now, they very well could have missed a few, but "the Joes were terminated with extreme prejudice" is pretty cut and dry. No need to check on Flint's midichlorian count.

I don't take anything a politician says in front of cameras at face value... edit. especially when he's already lying as to why they killed them all off.


See the death of Osama Bin Laden and the political circus for several months as an example.

[zx670]

I don't take anything a politician says in front of cameras at face value. See the death of Osama Bin Laden.

So you did not believe the US when they say they killed him, it took Al-Qaeda acknowledging it later?

[gunslingercbr]

Zartan clears that up with his statements as the POTUS on the Whitehouse lawn. Now, they very well could have missed a few, but "the Joes were terminated with extreme prejudice" is pretty cut and dry. No need to check on Flint's midichlorian count.

actually, that validates what Guppy said because obviously Roadblock, Flint and LJ aren't dead, so it is clear Zartan doesn't know who is dead and who is alive so he obviously isn't stating that they all are dead.

or he is lying.

or he is just stating that the team, as a whole, has been shut down. that seems the most likely answer since Snake Eyes has been captured, which inherently shows he isn't stating that all of the Joes have been killed. and if he isn't stating they are all killed, it leaves open that many are still alive and escaped from wherever they were.

context doesn't equate to midichlorians.

[bandonov]

No need to check on Flint's midichlorian count.

What?!!! I had Gil Grissom take his blood sample to the Las Vegas Crime Lab, He is going to be PISSED!

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[GI Guppy the third]

So you did not believe the US when they say they killed him, it took Al-Qaeda acknowledging it later?

Apparently you're not familiar with the political circus that happened after several early details were disproven while others added false details in order to take claim. There was a report that a CIA liason fast roped out of a black hawk down to the street and helped get pakistanis back their homes and to safety.

Politicians in film and in real life always craft their lines to benefit them..

"bad news, we were attacked. Good news, i killed everyone responsible.

[gunslingercbr]

Apparently you're not familiar with the political circus that happened after several early details were disproven while others added false details in order to take claim. There was a report that a CIA liason fast roped out of a black hawk down to the street and helped get pakistanis back their homes and to safety.

Politicians in film and in real life always craft their lines to benefit them..

"bad news, we were attacked. Good news, i killed everyone responsible.

funny, I just finished reading Seal Target Geronimo: The Inside Story of the Mission to Kill Osama Bin Laden, and the book states that the SEALs actually had to alter their plans simply because they weren't going to allow the CIA operative that was forced on them to fast rope.

[GI Guppy the third]

Zartan clears that up with his statements as the POTUS on the Whitehouse lawn. Now, they very well could have missed a few, but "the Joes were terminated with extreme prejudice" is pretty cut and dry. No need to check on Flint's midichlorian count.

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[bandonov]

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FTW!!!!

Now that is AWESOME!

[JackStatic]

roadblock said we're all thats left. that could mean all as in every single joe, it could mean all as in all that was at that convoy, im sure communications were broken down. i doubt all joes were holed up in one place. snow job would stand out like a sore thumb!

further more, joe colton was CLEARLY not there in the "all" as far as jaye and flint were concerned, i doubt road block even counted him. snake eyes wasn't even there, so its possible road block just made an assumption that various attacks were brought upon all joes elsewhere, but that could just be communications were down to warn others of the attacks as well. I HIGHLY doubt all means those 3 are the only 3 joes left.

All could also mean only joes left who were free, uninjured, or alive. Imprisoned joes would also, for all intensive purposes, be considered "out of the equation"

I would laugh so hard if duke was in a coma

[cobracobra]

I really do not think they would kill off Duke.

[Ixz72]

No he doesn't die. He goes to Paris with a girlfriend all the while lying to his father who is an ex-CIA operative. Then when he lands in Paris, he and his girlfriend share a cab with a local guy and when they get off at the flat where they were supposed to stay in, he and his girlfriend get kidnapped by Albanian sex traders.

Then his badass dad flies to Paris and kicks the Albanians butts and he even shoots a friend's wife to find out where Duke is. In the end he found out that Duke was sold as a sex slave to a wealthy arab sheik. And he rescues him from the Sheik's yacht while floating down the River Seine.

In the end Duke's dad rescues him and sets him up with a Britney Sprears like pop star for some vocal training so Duke can fulfill his dream of becoming a Pop Star.

[Monkeywrench]

I'm thinking the trailor was meant to make us think Duke was dead. Seems like a good plan considering the buzz it's caused on websites like this.

this^^

He believe he will be captured

[edhellman]

I couldn't care less about Ripcord, Heavy Duty or Breaker, but I hope (and assume) Duke and Scarlett will be either imprisoned or just injured. I hope Hawk is put in his Devils Due wheel chair.

I'm one of the few people who think Channing Tatum fits as Duke and could work really well given a good script. I think he could be a pretty funny partner to the Rock.

[MJjoe4life]

I cant wait to see the movie.

[Mapleleaf]

You know I don't think they even need to be mentioned by name. Simply addressing the fact that they can't contact the Pit so there's no telling if their team was the only one hit does enough to leave it open.

As for Duke, I think you'll get a scene where he's pulled out of the rubble of the first action sequence. Since it's assumed that these 3 characters were able to take cover and avoid being killed by the extermination team, it's completely plausible that Duke, possibly others, took cover somewhere and became trapped. It will probably be an after credits sequence where a surprise character comes in and digs him out.

I don't want him captured, it's just too much that Duke would have spent more time in two movies captured than doing anything else.



Actually I can see Duke being captured. He always seemed to be during the first three 5 part Sunbow cartoon episodes. He spent more time being in Cobra's clutches then Lindsey Lohan has been in jail.

[captblitzdawg]

Tatum doesn't bother me as Duke- hope has more of a role than what the trailer shows. Hopefully GI Joe III (Retribution? THE Red Shadows?-sticking with the "R" theme, here) will get Scarlett, Lt. Stone, Hawk and some of the others back into the story?

[Bushmaster72]

Duke goes into a coma like he does in sunbow cartoons.

Umm he was in a coma in ROC...wait, that was Tatum's acting.

[Dusty Ayers]

Actually I can see Duke being captured. He always seemed to be during the first three 5 part Sunbow cartoon episodes. He spent more time being in Cobra's clutches then Lindsey Lohan has been in jail.

Ha! Good one dude.

[Dusty Ayers]

One of the reasons I think Duke doesn't die is because there were no clips of a climatic death scene. I don't think the movie would take a major character down like a chump and just blow him up. If he were to die he would need to go down slugging it against impossible odds.

[Valkfan]

Are we to believe this?

I'm a Duke fan but in this canon Duke(Channing Tatum) needs to die!

Horrible casting really hurt the first movie and getting rid of the cast ESPECIALLY TATUM, is a good thing.

Ray Park and Lee Byung-Hun were excellent for their characters. Rachel Nichols and Arnold Vosloo were decent. Everyone else in ROC, ESPECIALLY TATUM need to go. I really hope he's toast early on in Retaliation.