Sorry to Disappoint You...

[drunknmunky]

But to all the Rise of Cobra haters, don't get your hopes up for Retaliation. I actually loved RoC (got special passes to see it a week before release). I thought RoC was entertaining as hell. Was it the Joe we grew up on? No. But it was a nice 21st century reboot. Besides, I don't want a simple retelling of 30 year old comics, give me something new! Anyways, remember how excited we were at the RoC trailer? Well now we have the Retaliation trailer. People are so excited. But don't get your hopes up too much. Why? Because it is still RoC continuation. I have a feeling that RoC haters will hate this movie just as much. Watch the trailers and check out the similarities.

G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra Official Movie Trailer #1 HD - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaNs64k_2xw)


G.I. Joe: Retaliation Exclusive Premiere Trailer [HD] - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSX2oxLdcWA)


They look pretty similar to me. Not sure if the second trailer is new but I've never seen it before. So to all you RoC haters I think this movie will disappoint you. To all my fellow RoC fans, the future looks good!

[sbartek1974]

I understand that you may see alot of similarities in the two. But do you really have to put that God awful Rise of Cobra trailer on here??? Let it die!!!

[kneroh]

and just like last time why can't we wait until we see the movie before we draw our line in the sand?

[starbuck]

Well....


They do both say G.I. Joe...

[paraviper]

I understand that you may see alot of similarities in the two. But do you really have to put that God awful Rise of Cobra trailer on here??? Let it die!!!

Qft

[drunknmunky]

and just like last time why can't we wait until we see the movie before we draw our line in the sand?

My point is everyone thinks this movie is going to be the best movie ever made. But that's what people thought about the first one. There's so many people on here that think the new movie will be the greatest ever just from the trailers. I'm saying it's most likely going to be just like RoC.

[GI Guppy the third]

The difference for me is they have kick ass people playing the parts. I enjoyed RoC as I enjoy any other bad cheesy flick.

[Steelgrave]

To all my fellow RoC fans, the future looks good!


HELL YEAH!!!! All 3 of us!


The difference for me is they have kick ass people playing the parts. I enjoyed RoC as I enjoy any other bad cheesy flick.

Rachel kicked ass as Scarlett!



Mmmmm..........................Rachel naked...............







..................Rachel naked...............















..................Rachel naked...............

[drunknmunky]

The difference for me is they have kick ass people playing the parts. I enjoyed RoC as I enjoy any other bad cheesy flick.

But then they put Bruce Willis in and give him that stupid ” my cholesterol is a little high” line. Great acting requires great writing.

[Colt Blue]

My point is everyone thinks this movie is going to be the best movie ever made. But that's what people thought about the first one. There's so many people on here that think the new movie will be the greatest ever just from the trailers. I'm saying it's most likely going to be just like RoC.

Couldn't be more wrong if you tried to be here. Retaliation is at a whole new level from ROC or why even put it out and bring in the A list actors if its going to be just like the first movie?

[teemu8]

I am not getting my hopes for the sequel....everybody right now is mesmerized because were are getting a new 'expendables,uh renegades' film, oh, I mean a new G.I.Joe movie....

ROC sucked and ALOT were pumped up for that aswell

People are calling this the Joe movie they always wanted based on a trailer??? seriously,thats pathetic

we have been burned once,so I guess a twice is in order

but that said,I hope its 'better' or even just a 'good' film

[NobleYurnas]

I mean, I agree. Outside of the lack of nanomites, CC's new look, no underwater battles and bases, Ripcord out, Firefly in, awesome ninja battles, SE not looking dumb, Bruce Willis (in whatever capacity) and the potential absence of ghetto duke, this movie looks exactly the same. Oh yeah the Rock's in it too.

[Colt Blue]

But then they put Bruce Willis in and give him that stupid ” my cholesterol is a little high” line. Great acting requires great writing.

That was a great line for him, very vintage Die Hard line there.

[GI Guppy the third]

But then they put Bruce Willis in and give him that stupid ” my cholesterol is a little high” line. Great acting requires great writing.

Who said anything about acting?

[Colt Blue]

i mean, i agree. Outside of the lack of nanomites, cc's new look, no underwater battles and bases, ripcord out, firefly in, awesome ninja battles, se not looking dumb, bruce willis (in whatever capacity) and the potential absence of ghetto duke, this movie looks exactly the same. Oh yeah the rock's in it too.

qft.

[Steelgrave]

ROC sucked


Bah! GI Joe fans say everything sucks if it's not from 1982-1987.

[kneroh]

My point is everyone thinks this movie is going to be the best movie ever made. But that's what people thought about the first one. There's so many people on here that think the new movie will be the greatest ever just from the trailers. I'm saying it's most likely going to be just like RoC.

If people that didn't like ROC actually have a little excitement for the next film, then why not let them? How is that a bad thing for anybody?

I'm sorry, but to me this this is just another "Us vs Them" threads.

[xSwamiJayx]

Why bother naysaying? Let people be excited. It's a good trailer and it's generating excitement, which is exactly what it is supposed to do.

[Hawkwinter]

My point is everyone thinks this movie is going to be the best movie ever made. But that's what people thought about the first one. There's so many people on here that think the new movie will be the greatest ever just from the trailers. I'm saying it's most likely going to be just like RoC.

Who the hell are you talking about? In all circles I was in and sites on at the time that ROC trailer had barely had enough time to be watched before the hoard of angry fans took to the message boards blasting every little aspect of it. Don't mistake you and a couple of your friends as the Joe fandom.

[GI Guppy the third]

I mean, I agree. Outside of the lack of nanomites, CC's new look, no underwater battles and bases, Ripcord out, Firefly in, awesome ninja battles, SE not looking dumb, Bruce Willis (in whatever capacity) and the potential absence of ghetto duke, this movie looks exactly the same. Oh yeah the Rock's in it too.
If you could somehow replace every scene in RoC that this guy...



http://www.joblo.com/images_movie_reviews/picscarymovie2.jpg[\IMG]



was in.....

with this guy...



[IMG]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_3vqYvaHDAtI/S9cCYgLgZGI/AAAAAAAAABE/DXUxOSYsTvA/s400/Dwayne+Johnson+Faster.jpg

It would have been a thousand times better.

[Troynos]

Why bother naysaying? Let people be excited. It's a good trailer and it's generating excitement, which is exactly what it is supposed to do.

^ This.

[TARGETSIX]

The only thing I'm currently disappointed in is your poor taste in film, ROC sucked.

[John_0515]

The styles of both movies are very different. Special effects from Transformers and the new movie "Battleship" look similar, doesn't mean they'll be similar in quality or success.

[C.I.A.D.]

I think there's about 3807435843 other threads to share this in.

[Stoner]

Who cares?? Really!

[Stoner]

I think there's about 3807435843 other threads to share this in.

And 1

[Black Llama]

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/2/17/unopayattenti128477330091250000.jpg

Did this really need to be a thread?

[OSOK]

GI JOE 2 may suck, but it will still be better than any Transformers movie

[GI Guppy the third]

GI JOE 2 may suck, but it will still be better than any Transformers movie

I double dog dare you to say that on a Transformer site.

[Troynos]

GI JOE 2 may suck, but it will still be better than any Transformers movie

Hey, I liked the Transformers movies.

[Steelgrave]

I double dog dare you to say that on a Transformer site.

I blasted Dark Of The Moon on TFW2005. That movie was dog shit covered in awesome special FX.

As if Megatron would cower in a corner while he let a fucking Autobot take over. Puh-leeeze!!!

[Troynos]

I liked Dark Of The Moon. It did what it was supposed to, it entertained me.

[drunknmunky]

I liked Dark Of The Moon. It did what it was supposed to, it entertained me.

Exactly why I liked RoC.

[OSOK]

I double dog dare you to say that on a Transformer site.
im not scared of those virgins

[Steelgrave]

I liked Dark Of The Moon. It did what it was supposed to, it entertained me.


Exactly why I liked ROC!

[Colt Blue]

ROC entertained me too, but apparently that's not enough anymore by fanboy standards.

[Steelgrave]

ROC entertained me too, but apparently that's not enough anymore by fanboy standards.

Fanboys have standards?

[Troynos]

I liked RoC too.

[Steelgrave]

I liked RoC too.

But Dark Of The Moon sucked! :D

[Colt Blue]

Fanboys have standards?

They say they do at least, must follow their pre conceived mythos of the brand or its a fail to them and they must make everybody know its crap because 'they' say so.

[GI Guppy the third]

I blasted Dark Of The Moon on TFW2005. That movie was dog shit covered in awesome special FX.

As if Megatron would cower in a corner while he let a fucking Autobot take over. Puh-leeeze!!!

I can't comment. I've never seen it. That's how bad it looked to me. I expect GI Joe to have a lot of nice action without the stupid teen sex and fart jokes.

[BEAM]

Couldn't be more wrong if you tried to be here. Retaliation is at a whole new level from ROC or why even put it out and bring in the A list actors if its going to be just like the first movie?

What A-listers exactly? I'll grant you Bruce Willis but the rest? Ray Stevenson? The Rock? Good actors but not A-list. A notch above ROC who had mostly C-level actors. We're now at a solid b-level.

Time will tell but the strength of Retailiaton will be on the script and the direction, two things that were subpar on ROC. And we can't tell any of that from a 2 minute trailer.

And for the record I liked all 3 Transformers movies and ROC. Turn off your brain and allow your inner 12 year old to come out and be entertained for 2+ hours.

[CrimsonGuard101]

Lets analyze this step by step, check by check in order of importance

1) Steven Sommers = gone CHECK
2) Marlane Wayanes = gone CHECK
3) The Rock is in = AWESOME CHECK
4) We are moving forward! CHECK
5) Time to leave ROC behind and check out the new moive! CHECK
6) Leave all of this kind of post crap out and just let the past be the past...opps I guess we cant do that just yet since all of the ROC lovers wanna rub it in everyones face?

Again, lets move on. And lets all hope Retailiation puts Joe back up where it belogns, regardless if it is a continuation of the abomination first film. Moving forward is always the best options when something just isn't right...John Chu has been given a great opportunity to move this movie franchise forward...but as usual ROC lovers just can't let by gones be bygones and suck it up and deal with the fact that a lot of people did not like the first film (even Hasbro). The second film? Well just have to wait and see.

[Black Llama]

I double dog dare you to say that on a Transformer site.

im not scared of those virgins

Hah!

Exactly why I liked ROC!

I agree. I enjoyed the movie experience of ROC. I just hated the toys.

[balddog66]

I think one of the biggest difference people should notice I hope is the writing. The first movie had what 1-3 months to write it because of the writers strike (why transformer 2 sucked so bad). Movie won't be very good if you can't do the background research and put the appropriate time into various drafts. Helps that Jon Chu is a fan of Gijoe, Stephen Somers was just collecting a paycheck.

[Dealer Destro]

Lost me at ROC.......

[Steelgrave]

3) The Rock is in = AWESOME CHECK


I don't understand this^. I mean I like the guy just fine but I don't see why he's that big of a deal.

[BEAM]

but as usual ROC lovers just can't let by gones be bygones and suck it up and deal with the fact that a lot of people did not like the first film (even Hasbro). The second film? Well just have to wait and see.


Love it or hate it, enough people were interested in it to earn over $300 million in the theaters.

G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra (2009) - Box Office Mojo (http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=gijoe.htm)

Aren't we done with the ROC debate? Guess not. Retaliation opens old wounds.

[Colt Blue]

What A-listers exactly? I'll grant you Bruce Willis but the rest? Ray Stevenson? The Rock? Good actors but not A-list. A notch above ROC who had mostly C-level actors. We're now at a solid b-level.

Time will tell but the strength of Retailiaton will be on the script and the direction, two things that were subpar on ROC. And we can't tell any of that from a 2 minute trailer.

And for the record I liked all 3 Transformers movies and ROC. Turn off your brain and allow your inner 12 year old to come out and be entertained for 2+ hours.

Ok even so, better actors and definite upgrades. I agree with your last point as well, enjoy the movie and don't over analyze it so much.

[CrimsonGuard101]

I don't understand this^. I mean I like the guy just fine but I don't see why he's that big of a deal.

You might as well go play with your space astronauts and act out Moonraker with your toys if you can't figure this importance out :0

[BEAM]

I will admit The Rock might be the one reason I'll go see Journey 2: The Mysterious Island.

[darkwise]

I refuse to post in another film thread!

[zx670]

They look pretty similar to me. Not sure if the second trailer is new but I've never seen it before.

I honestly don't think they look very similar at all. I see no nano-mites, super futuristic weaponry or vehicles, a creepy little doctor as CC, Neo-Vipers or Duke hogging screen time.

I do see Dwayne Johnson hogging screen time, which is good if the movie is as exciting as Fast 5, I see realistic weaponry and slightly futuristic vehicles (and that only a small bit in the trailer), I see a plit that looks pretty interesting even though we don't know the entirety of it yet, I see a Cobra Commander that looks fantastic and I see troopers/vipers that look more like mercenary troopers and less like damn alien-turtles.

I enjoyed ROC as well...for what it was: A popcorn action flick. I thought the action was great. The acting and story were absolute shit. I agree the future looks good, but if that's the case, this will NOT be the same or similar to ROC.

[Crimson Rage]

Controversy time: I think the ROC trailer is better, more artfully constructed and has way more energy than the new one. But, people see a silver face plate on CC, Jinx in a red costume and Firefly with his hood then go "ohmygodohmygod they got it right his time!"

All from a two-minute trailer? It does reinforce my belief that for many, the 'look' is the most important thing to them despite their protestations of bad acting/writing/directing in ROC. I suspect that RETALIATION will be able to potentially get away with all of these simply because people will be smitten by the 'look'. I mean, to me the Joes still look "all the same", a complaint levelled at ROC, but which I haven't heard once this time round.

[laurenluna1977]

I just want Scarlett and Baroness back. Lady Jaye is hot, and so is Jinx. But what's with the 2 girl maximum? When Andy Sidaris did his GI Joe movies (aka L.E.T.H.A.L. Ladies) he hard 6 girls minimum, e.g.: Fit to Kill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fit_to_Kill)

[SVT_COBRA]

Trailer looks dope. STFU.

[Steelgrave]

You might as well go play with your space astronauts and act out Moonraker with your toys if you can't figure this importance out :0

Yeah, real important! The movie will run in theaters for a couple months, make the same or a little more than ROC, then it will hit dvd, we'll have a million hate threads on here, Walmart will over-order & then get pissed when the toys don't sell fast enough. History will repeat itself like it always does. Same shit different day! Seriously doubt The Rock will change any of that.

[Crimson Rage]

Originally Posted by CrimsonGuard101
You might as well go play with your space astronauts and act out Moonraker with your toys if you can't figure this importance out :0

Not that I'm stalking you or anything, but WTF!!

[Headman]

They look like night and day to me.

[cobracobra]

Why are people even fans of GI JOE when they hate it?

[cobracobra]

I will admit The Rock might be the one reason I'll go see Journey 2: The Mysterious Island.

That movie looks tits!

[flaveydavey]

Hey... Don't pee in my cereal

[Duffmann]

My point is everyone thinks this movie is going to be the best movie ever made. But that's what people thought about the first one. There's so many people on here that think the new movie will be the greatest ever just from the trailers. I'm saying it's most likely going to be just like RoC.

I don't think people belive it will be the best movie ever, I just belive most people think it will be better than RoC. To tell the truth I belive it will be also, becuase RoC to me was not a good movie. I'm glad you liked it DM and I think it is pretty neat you got to see it a week before it came out. That must have been a cool time with your friends or whoever you watched it with.

[07GT500 COBRA]

I did hear some of Channing Tatum's shitty delivery in both trailers.

[TheFallen]

I didn't mind RoC. It wasn't great but it did have some great parts.

As for the OP, the biggest difference in the two posted trailers?

Red mother fuckin' Ninjas!!!!!

[Headman]

Why are people even fans of GI JOE when they hate it?

To qualify as a Joe fan do you have to like all incarnations of the brand?

[starbuck]

To qualify as a Joe fan do you have to like all incarnations of the brand?


You just have to hate change.

[Rainbow Viper]

I liked ROC too but the things that did bug me with it were noticeable...like how the cobra isignia was hardly shown is the big one for me ... I kinda liked the Viper Commandos from ROC a bit more than what I've seen from this trailer so far. They just look like any ordinary trooper...BUT they do have the cobra logo on them so they do get points.

[Flint-wo2]

I understand that you may see alot of similarities in the two. But do you really have to put that God awful Rise of Cobra trailer on here??? Let it die!!!

Theres even a song about letting it die:
Foo Fighters - Let It Die - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM0oSDLT520&feature=fvst)

[SonOfMindbender]

Well, I actually want to see this one. I sat through the last abortion. It's this new trailer that makes me want to get off my ass the first day. This new movie is like SK Omega. It could be the best movie ever...but I have to see it, to believe it!!

[MeLikeJinx]

ROC was a good movie IMO, just not good as a Joe movie. Expectations are so low for Retaliation that IMO it is almost impossible for it to fail because all it has to do is meet the "it was better than ROC" standard.

[ChaplainAsst]

Here are the differences that matter to me:

CC looks like CC! No weird mask, no stupid back story this time.

Cobra troops not Nano-Vipers. Likely not super soldiers.

Cobra symbol, not MARS. This is a small thing, but it was rare - if ever - that Joes fought MARS.

Epic story, but told on a small scale. This is subtle, but when the Joes fought the big last battle - it was an epic battle. The battle in Paris was epic in the scale and magnitude that was going on (the Eiffel Tower fell for goodness sake!), the battle for the Pit was huge. The battles in this movie look far more intimate.

This looks more like a war movie rather than sci-fi, which will creep in obviously along with ninja action. RoC was more Sci-Fi action than war. Very little looked real world after the first 10 or so minutes.

What I didn't like:

Bruce Willis' introduction. That looked strange, something out of the 70s.

The Joes getting attacked ... again. And getting wiped out ... again.

No Destro. No Baroness. Why not?

[Flint4107]

Why not take ROC as sort of a back story sort of deal? Cobra just starting up, G.I. Joe becoming what it is that we know. In the comic and the cartoons, Cobra was kind of there from the beginning already established, same with the Joes. Who's to say that they weren't more space aged before Issue 1 or the MASS device?

MARS was a weapons research and development entitiy as well, why wouldn't they come up with the best stuff for themselves especially if it was their goal to become a military world power. But Mars was taken out of the picture, so all the high tech energy weapons are gone which means going back to the more conventional weaponary.

Given that spin on the story I can accept ROC as a Cannon in and of itselt and I think this new director will work that story into a movie that is more like what was seen in the early days seamlessly. I will not decide that the movie will be crap before even seeing it.

And no not everybody though that ROC was gonig to be the best thing since sliced bread since more than half the threads on the tank revolved around how bad the trailer looked.

[drunknmunky]

ROC was a good movie IMO, just not good as a Joe movie. Expectations are so low for Retaliation that IMO it is almost impossible for it to fail because all it has to do is meet the "it was better than ROC" standard.

See that's kinda my point. Everyone just thinks that it looks so much better than RoC. But if RoC was so terrible then that means the bar is so low that it's on the floor. I think that's why people are thinking that Retaliation will be the next great thing. But to me the trailer looks very similar to RoC. People seem to want to not recognize Retaliation as a sequel but that's exactly what it is.

[mynameis]

Here are the differences that matter to me:

CC looks like CC! No weird mask, no stupid back story
That stupid back story is still there. It doesn't go away because this is not a reboot

People seem to want to not recognize Retaliation as a sequel but that's exactly what it is.
This

[Monkeywrench]

Well....


They do both say G.I. Joe...

hahaha

[Crimson Gord]

But to all the Rise of Cobra haters, don't get your hopes up for Retaliation. I actually loved RoC (got special passes to see it a week before release). I thought RoC was entertaining as hell. Was it the Joe we grew up on? No. But it was a nice 21st century reboot. Besides, I don't want a simple retelling of 30 year old comics, give me something new! Anyways, remember how excited we were at the RoC trailer? Well now we have the Retaliation trailer. People are so excited. But don't get your hopes up too much. Why? Because it is still RoC continuation. I have a feeling that RoC haters will hate this movie just as much. Watch the trailers and check out the similarities.


They look pretty similar to me. Not sure if the second trailer is new but I've never seen it before. So to all you RoC haters I think this movie will disappoint you. To all my fellow RoC fans, the future looks good!

my thoughts are that after, zartan, terminated the vast majority of the joe team and the program itself, the remaining joes, would go back to a more modern look like we see in current military as opposed to the super high tech stuff we saw in roc, when they had the full backing of the government. if this is the case i think we will see what the cartoons kinda displayed; out matched, out numbered joe team without the crazy tech, using their ingenuity against the creations of a hell bent terrorist organization.

[CrimsonGuard101]

Fanboys have standards?

I have never seen any, whats chu talkin bout!

[vapor]

even though this is the continuation, it has a whole new cast, and most importantly a entirely different feel then roc had, like chaplainasst said, this feels like a war movie vs a sci fi movie.

[CG76]

so if you don't like the trailer of the new movie don't watch the movie. no big deal.

[drunknmunky]

even though this is the continuation, it has a whole new cast, and most importantly a entirely different feel then roc had, like chaplainasst said, this feels like a war movie vs a sci fi movie.

But if GI Joe becomes more military than Sci Fi than it is distancing itself from GI Joe. Remember, GI Joe is about ninjas, jet packs, lasers and futuristic designs. GI Joe wasn't the military, they were better because they wee highly trained and had better technology.

[fireflyguy]

Wow! That Rise of Cobra movie looks like it's gonna be good!

[Headman]

Ive got a question that should have it's own thread since everybody is starting "Why come u think Roc sukz?" threads....

How come it matters so much to some of you guys what we think of RoC? I keep seeing "If you view RoC this way..." but really, what does it matter? RoC sucked like few movies have sucked before. A few of you guys liked it. That's cool, some people liked New Coke and Crystal Pepsi. Of course the consensus is that all of these things sucked.

[drunknmunky]

Ive got a question that should have it's own thread since everybody is starting "Why come u think Roc sukz?" threads....

How come it matters so much to some of you guys what we think of RoC? I keep seeing "If you view RoC this way..." but really, what does it matter? RoC sucked like few movies have sucked before. A few of you guys liked it. That's cool, some people liked New Coke and Crystal Pepsi. Of course the consensus is that all of these things sucked.

But that's the point of this thread. Tons of people think RoC sucked. Now the same people are going crazy about how great Retaliation looks. Retaliation is a sequel so it is still based off of RoC. All the backstory that people hated is still there. So I'm just saying that the people who hated RoC will be the same people that say Retaliation sucked. I'll be sure to dig up a few threads to see what people thought of Retaliation before and after seeing it. I cam almost guarantee that it will be the RoC haters hating Retaliation just as much.

[blayze5150]

I loved ROC, but it could have been better. I think Retaliation will be.

[cobralalalala!]

to all the Rise of Cobra haters, don't get your hopes up for Retaliation.
People are so excited. But don't get your hopes up too much. I have a feeling that RoC haters will hate this movie just as much.
So to all you RoC haters I think this movie will disappoint you.


Are you listening to yourself? Why even start a thread that is so negative and full of venom and bile? I'm sorry to disappoint you, but the average movie goers and fans are more sophisticated and complex than you give them credit for. You are making a great many assumptions that you are not qualified to make and do not have the data to back up. People will like or dislike a film depending on hundreds of factors, many of which can't be quantified, (there's an Roc nod for you)



everyone thinks this movie is going to be the best movie ever made.
Everyone just thinks that it looks so much better than RoC.
There's so many people on here that think the new movie will be the greatest ever just from the trailers. I'm saying it's most likely going to be just like RoC.
I think that's why people are thinking that Retaliation will be the next great thing.
People seem to want to not recognize Retaliation as a sequel but that's exactly what it is.


Again, see my first statement. Now you know what everyone thinks, you are amazing. How many people here did not know that Retaliation is a sequel to RoC, show of hands? That's what I thought.



if GI Joe becomes more military than Sci Fi than it is distancing itself from GI Joe. Remember, GI Joe is about ninjas, jet packs, lasers and futuristic designs. GI Joe wasn't the military, they were better because they wee highly trained and had better technology.


I don't even know where to begin with this. G.I. Joe wasn't military? Seriously? So now if G.I. Joe takes on a military feel, it's not G.I. Joe?

[KingBiohazerd]

Wow someone's I'm not getting enough attention meter must have peeked today. I would say more to you but tbh your not even worth the time to go back and forth with. Your attempts to tell people or know how people should feel or will feel about something are amazing.

[drunknmunky]

Are you listening to yourself? Why even start a thread that is so negative and full of venom and bile? I'm sorry to disappoint you, but the average movie goers and fans are more sophisticated and complex than you give them credit for. You are making a great many assumptions that you are not qualified to make and do not have the data to back up. People will like or dislike a film depending on hundreds of factors, many of which can't be quantified, (there's an Roc nod for you)

Again, see my first statement. Now you know what everyone thinks, you are amazing. How many people here did not know that Retaliation is a sequel to RoC, show of hands? That's what I thought.

don't even know where to begin with this. G.I. Joe wasn't military? Seriously? So now if G.I. Joe takes on a military feel, it's not G.I. Joe?

Ok obviously you don't get what I'm saying. The people that think Retaliation is going to be nothing like RoC are in for a disappointment. It is a sequel. It will take the same storyline and run with it. Cobra Commander is still related to Baroness. Snake Eyes took an oath of silence. People who bash the RoC storyline and think that Retaliation is a whole new movie is who I'm addressing. The ones who hated everything about RoC because it wasn't anything like the original Marvel run. Guess what? Retaliation won't be either. That's the people I'm addressing.
As for GI Joe not being military, go back and look at GI Joe in the comics and filecards again. GI Joe was tons of ninjas who couldn't die (our died and came back), twins who could feel eachother's pain, men in giant snake and bird costumes, guns that fired lasers, rocket powered jet packs, alligator trainers, evil dentists, ex used car salesman turned terrorist. GI Joe is NOT realistic by any stretch. That's why it was so awesome when we were kids. To me that's why RoC was awesome. It was so over the top, just like the old Sunbow cartoons and the Marvel comics. If GI Joe was made into a movie like ” Black Hawk Down” or ” Platoon” then to me that would be way worse than what they did with RoC.

[the odinson]

god forbid people have a positive attitude about a movie that we've seen two minutes of.

[blayze5150]

Ok obviously you don't get what I'm saying. The people that think Retaliation is going to be nothing like RoC are in for a disappointment. It is a sequel. It will take the same storyline and run with it. Cobra Commander is still related to Baroness. Snake Eyes took an oath of silence. People who bash the RoC storyline and think that Retaliation is a whole new movie is who I'm addressing. The ones who hated everything about RoC because it wasn't anything like the original Marvel run. Guess what? Retaliation won't be either. That's the people I'm addressing.
As for GI Joe not being military, go back and look at GI Joe in the comics and filecards again. GI Joe was tons of ninjas who couldn't die (our died and came back), twins who could feel eachother's pain, men in giant snake and bird costumes, guns that fired lasers, rocket powered jet packs, alligator trainers, evil dentists, ex used car salesman turned terrorist. GI Joe is NOT realistic by any stretch. That's why it was so awesome when we were kids. To me that's why RoC was awesome. It was so over the top, just like the old Sunbow cartoons and the Marvel comics. If GI Joe was made into a movie like ” Black Hawk Down” or ” Platoon” then to me that would be way worse than what they did with RoC.
You are right, but Rise of Cobra did need a little more of a military element. The balance was off. With the Baroness not returning and Channing Tatum's apparant "death," that storyline is not as big a factor in this film (from what we know). There could also be more to Snake Eye's story than even Storm Shadow is aware of as well. We won't know any of this until June.

[estanley1974]

Obviously most were excited for a Gi Joe movie, but that trailer for ROC was God awful. I still wanted to see the movie despite what I thought was an awful trailer. I want to see the new movie because I think the trailer looks awesome...is it perfect, no. Ninjas are a little outdated, but the vehicles look awesome, the costumes look great, and CC actually looks cool. Two trailers about the same movie, but I have totally different feelings about them. Also, I did not see any Sci-Fi crap in the new trailer....the entire ROC trailer was nonsense.

[estanley1974]

But if GI Joe becomes more military than Sci Fi than it is distancing itself from GI Joe. Remember, GI Joe is about ninjas, jet packs, lasers and futuristic designs. GI Joe wasn't the military, they were better because they wee highly trained and had better technology.

disagree with everything that is said here. Most of Gi JOE toys were based in reality with a little stretching here and there. I loved Joes because they were military, not Sci-fi. Star Wars was Sci-Fi.

[Steelgrave]

I'm tired of ROC & Retaliation threads.

Why don't we talk about what really matters? All those extra decals that you didn't use on your Skystriker & Pit that I could be using for my customs. I think you should all STFU about the GI Joe movies & send me your extra unused decals.

[BEAM]

... and they fire real weapons. ROC used too much of the ol' A-team "air ramp" - stuntmen just flying through the air. I want to see some MF'ers getting shot with real bullets from an actual gun. Maybe even have someone get run though with a sword. Granted it'll probably be rated PG-13 so there won't be much of it but some would be nice.

[ChicagoScott]

First of all I will qualify my statement with the fact that there are some parts of RoC that I like and I can sit through it and enjoy it.

Now why am I more excited about this trailer than RoC's:

Rattler inspired planes
Hiss tank inspired vehicles
Ram inspired motorcycles
Whale/moccasin inspired boats
Blind master
Jinx
Red Ninjas
Cobra troopers inspire by cobra vipers and alley vipers
Flint
Lady Jaye
Roadblock
Firefly
CC in his original helmet
The Extensive Enterprises photographer
Bruce willis as Joe colton (I don't think of him as john Mcclain,I think of him as the first ever and oldest joe)
Imagery of Cobra taking over a national landmark like they tried to do in a lot of comics and cartoons
People trying to control Snake Eyes(that never ends well)
Arashikage tattoo on Stormshadow's arm
Stormshadow busting out
more Snake Eyes vs Stormshadow
Roadblock with a Ma Duece
Elodie Yung in spandex
Adrianne Palicki changing to go undercover
I can't stop humming the White Stripes

I definitely watched the RoC trailer multiple times and enjoyed it. This trailer however I've watched at least 20 times already. Including 3 times in slow motion to try and catch everything I could. I never watched the RoC trailer in slow motion because there was nothing for a fanboy to catch.
RoC had a director who had a vision for a movie with scenes he had already planned. He then was given GI Joe and filled them in and tried to give us his vision of GI Joe and didn't care what anyone thought.
Both the writer and director of this film have cared what fans think from the beginning and have taken inspiration from GI Joe sources that many of us grew up on and used those sources to tell a story. Then they have checked are reactions to what they have done.
The Retaliation trailer is now #1 video on youtube without being shown as a paid commercial or being presented as a trailer for a nationally released movie.
I've had a Joener(#wojm) hitting me in the chin for the last 2 days and I can't wait for the movie.

[drunknmunky]

god forbid people have a positive attitude about a movie that we've seen two minutes of.

But that's not what I'm saying. RoC made 3 02.5 million dollars. It was had the biggest opening if any movie ever in the month of August. Now it's getting a sequel. So if people hated the first one because of the original mythos getting butchered, then how will this movie make that go away? And if the last movie was a huge financial hit (which it obviously was) then why would they be allowed to deviate from the formula that made the original so successful? I'm not trying to make anyone think a certain way, I'm just saying that this movie will most likely be very similar to RoC. Even the trailers are similar.

[jaimanstone]

Here's another way to look at this:

http://www.hisstank.com/forum/g-i-joe-live-action-movie/181812-what-sorry-dissapoint-you-heres-comparison-instead.html

[Colt Blue]

so if you don't like the trailer of the new movie don't watch the movie. no big deal.

^^^^This^^ qft

[Crimson Gord]

movie trivia time.
in what russel crowe movie can his, in film, son be heard saying to a man, "i have a toy pony. he takes big shits" ! ???

[the odinson]

But that's not what I'm saying. RoC made 3 02.5 million dollars. It was had the biggest opening if any movie ever in the month of August. Now it's getting a sequel. So if people hated the first one because of the original mythos getting butchered, then how will this movie make that go away? And if the last movie was a huge financial hit (which it obviously was) then why would they be allowed to deviate from the formula that made the original so successful? I'm not trying to make anyone think a certain way, I'm just saying that this movie will most likely be very similar to RoC. Even the trailers are similar.

i don't see the similarities in the trailers you do.

[Viper6]

all i know is snake eyes doesnt have lips
douchey duke dies
cobra commander looks....well somewhat like he ought to
there doesnt seem to be turtle vipers
rockblock is far better than heavyduty
jinx looks bitchn
nah, this thing leaves roc eatn the shit that it is

[Colt Blue]

I'm tired of ROC & Retaliation threads.

Why don't we talk about what really matters? All those extra decals that you didn't use on your Skystriker & Pit that I could be using for my customs. I think you should all STFU about the GI Joe movies & send me your extra unused decals.

I like that idea, might have to look into what I can use my extras for now.

[ChaplainAsst]

That stupid back story is still there. It doesn't go away because this is not a reboot


I meant that I don't have to be reminded of it.

[Colt Blue]

The El Camino with Bruce Willis FTW!!!

[kneroh]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/kneroh/flowchart2.jpg

[drunknmunky]

disagree with everything that is said here. Most of Gi JOE toys were based in reality with a little stretching here and there. I loved Joes because they were military, not Sci-fi. Star Wars was Sci-Fi.


As for GI Joe not being military, go back and look at GI Joe in the comics and filecards again. GI Joe was tons of ninjas who couldn't die (our died and came back), twins who could feel eachother's pain, men in giant snake and bird costumes, guns that fired lasers, rocket powered jet packs, alligator trainers, evil dentists, ex used car salesman turned terrorist. GI Joe is NOT realistic by any stretch. That's why it was so awesome when we were kids. To me that's why RoC was awesome. It was so over the top, just like the old Sunbow cartoons and the Marvel comics. If GI Joe was made into a movie like ” Black Hawk Down” or ” Platoon” then to me that would be way worse than what they did with RoC.

No matter how much we want to look at GI Joe as being realistic it isn't. Just because we grew up doesn't mean our toys did.

[cobralalalala!]

Ok obviously you don't get what I'm saying. The people that think Retaliation is going to be nothing like RoC are in for a disappointment. It is a sequel. It will take the same storyline and run with it. Cobra Commander is still related to Baroness. Snake Eyes took an oath of silence. People who bash the RoC storyline and think that Retaliation is a whole new movie is who I'm addressing. The ones who hated everything about RoC because it wasn't anything like the original Marvel run. Guess what? Retaliation won't be either.


No, I actually got exactly what you were saying, I just disagree with you. What I am saying is that people aren't stupid. I don't want to be rude, but I have to speak frankly, Do you think that you are the only person on this site that remembers the plot points of RoC? CC & Baroness, Baroness & Duke, SE & SS, etc. Did you think that everyone else forgot, or were not smart enough to understand the nuances and differences? This entire thread comes off as very condescending.

The "RoC Haters" as you called them, are most likely well aware that this is a sequel. What you seem to be overlooking, is that a sequel progresses the story beyond where the last movie left off. That means that while John Chu must work with the fixed plot elements that the last film left behind, he has the flexibility to take the story anywhere he chooses from that point forward.

Furthermore, each director has his own cinematic style, pacing, lens filter preferences. Each director brings his own film editor, camera and lighting director, AD, all of these things affect the look and feel of a film. That's why Aliens and Alien resurrection, while both being Alien films, look so different from one another. So, while it may have the same back story as RoC, it doesn't have to be exactly like RoC, or even similar.

In light of this, based on your reasoning, there is more of a chance of the RoC lovers being disappointed rather than the haters. Neither statement would be true. Your whole opening statement is built on an unprovable premise, based off of peoples reactions to a 2 minute trailer and is just plain negative. You said a long time ago, that you are about unifying the community and finding common ground, this is not finding common ground, this is promoting division and discord. Maybe we will all end up hating this film, or we will all love it, who knows. It's not your place to tell people what they will and won't like.

As for the Sci-Fi vs Military thing, I think G.I Joe is about 50/50, but I will concede that we each have our own view of what G.I Joe is.

[Viper6]

No, I actually got exactly what you were saying, I just disagree with you. What I am saying is that people aren't stupid. I don't want to be rude, but I have to speak frankly, Do you think that you are the only person on this site that remembers the plot points of RoC? CC & Baroness, Baroness & Duke, SE & SS, etc. Did you think that everyone else forgot, or were not smart enough to understand the nuances and differences? This entire thread comes off as very condescending.

The "RoC Haters" as you called them, are most likely well aware that this is a sequel. What you seem to be overlooking, is that a sequel progresses the story beyond where the last movie left off. That means that while John Chu must work with the fixed plot elements that the last film left behind, he has the flexibility to take the story anywhere he chooses from that point forward.

Furthermore, each director has his own cinematic style, pacing, lens filter preferences. Each director brings his own film editor, camera and lighting director, AD, all of these things affect the look and feel of a film. That's why Aliens and Alien resurrection, while both being Alien films, look so different from one another. So, while it may have the same back story as RoC, it doesn't have to be exactly like RoC, or even similar.

In light of this, based on your reasoning, there is more of a chance of the RoC lovers being disappointed rather than the haters. Neither statement would be true. Your whole opening statement is built on an unprovable premise, based off of peoples reactions to a 2 minute trailer and is just plain negative. You said a long time ago, that you are about unifying the community and finding common ground, this is not finding common ground, this is promoting division and discord. Maybe we will all end up hating this film, or we will all love it, who knows. It's not your place to tell people what they will and won't like.

As for the Sci-Fi vs Military thing, I think G.I Joe is about 50/50, but I will concede that we each have our own view of what G.I Joe is.

well said

[KingBiohazerd]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/kneroh/flowchart2.jpg

Hahahaha glory!!

[Stoner]

Wow!!!

[drunknmunky]

No, I actually got exactly what you were saying, I just disagree with you. What I am saying is that people aren't stupid. I don't want to be rude, but I have to speak frankly, Do you think that you are the only person on this site that remembers the plot points of RoC? CC & Baroness, Baroness & Duke, SE & SS, etc. Did you think that everyone else forgot, or were not smart enough to understand the nuances and differences? This entire thread comes off as very condescending.

The "RoC Haters" as you called them, are most likely well aware that this is a sequel. What you seem to be overlooking, is that a sequel progresses the story beyond where the last movie left off. That means that while John Chu must work with the fixed plot elements that the last film left behind, he has the flexibility to take the story anywhere he chooses from that point forward.

Furthermore, each director has his own cinematic style, pacing, lens filter preferences. Each director brings his own film editor, camera and lighting director, AD, all of these things affect the look and feel of a film. That's why Aliens and Alien resurrection, while both being Alien films, look so different from one another. So, while it may have the same back story as RoC, it doesn't have to be exactly like RoC, or even similar.

In light of this, based on your reasoning, there is more of a chance of the RoC lovers being disappointed rather than the haters. Neither statement would be true. Your whole opening statement is built on an unprovable premise, based off of peoples reactions to a 2 minute trailer and is just plain negative. You said a long time ago, that you are about unifying the community and finding common ground, this is not finding common ground, this is promoting division and discord. Maybe we will all end up hating this film, or we will all love it, who knows. It's not your place to tell people what they will and won't like.

As for the Sci-Fi vs Military thing, I think G.I Joe is about 50/50, but I will concede that we each have our own view of what G.I Joe is.

If you go back and read my first post in the thread, I said that if you hated RoC then Retaliation will probably disappoint you. Why? Because it's a sequel. This movie picks up where the first left off. It's not starting from scratch, it's not going to” fix” everything that people hated about RoC. My original part want negative by any means, just an observation. I'm not telling anyone how to feel or what to think. I'm giving my opinion. In a few months the movie will be released. We all know that not everyone will like it. It's impossible to please everyone. But what I'm saying is I think people will still complain about the story in Retaliation because they will have to alter back stories. People hated that in RoC so if it happens here (which it almost has to)
then the same people will complain. This isn't meant as a negative thread or a thread to say how to feel, I'm just giving my observation of how I think it will play out. We all have predictions for the next film, this is mine. It's no better or worse than the next guy's predictions and opinions.

[Colt Blue]

Very well put Cla, bravo!! Kneroh, very funny. lol

[crock master]

everyone thinks this movie is going to be the best movie ever made



wrong

[drunknmunky]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/kneroh/flowchart2.jpg

Every time I post you feel the need to go against whatever I say. No matter what it is you have to go against it . You're the new Joseph. Seriously if I say I like something or have an opinion you have to counter it. Get over yourself man.

Hahahaha glory!!

Your opinion really doesn't matter because, lets face it, your opinion is whatever Kneroh says it is.

[cobralalalala!]

This isn't meant as a negative thread or a thread to say how to feel, I'm just giving my observation of how I think it will play out. We all have predictions for the next film, this is mine. It's no better or worse than the next guy's predictions and opinions.


Fair enough.

[the odinson]

Every time I post you feel the need to go against whatever I say. No matter what it is you have to go against it. You're the new Joseph.



i've seen some dumb ass things on the tank, but this might be the dumbest.

[Stoner]

Do you think things get this heated on Porn forums?
Because Anal Butt Sluts 2 was way better then Anal Butt Sluts 1....And if you think other wise you are in for disappointment.

[kneroh]

Every time I post you feel the need to go against whatever I say. No matter what it is you have to go against it . You're the new Joseph. Seriously if I say I like something or have an opinion you have to counter it. Get over yourself man.

HAHAHA! Get over myself? Have you read a single thing you've posted in here? It's like a temple erected to your own ego and feelings of self importance.

[the odinson]

I'm not telling anyone how to feel or what to think. I'm giving my opinion. It's no better or worse than the next guy's predictions and opinions.





Your opinion really doesn't matter because, lets face it, your opinion is whatever Kneroh says it is.

hmmm...

[Steelgrave]

What I am saying is that people aren't stupid.

Nobody is stupid enough to believe that^

[drunknmunky]

HAHAHA! Get over myself? Have you read a single thing you've posted in here? It's like a temple erected to your own ego and feelings of self importance.

Actually it was my opinion of how I think the movie will play out. This whole site is devoted to a toy and we all give our opinion about it. Don't like my opinion? Great. I probably have a different opinion than you do. If we all had the same opinion that there would be no need for this site, except to look at pictures of upcoming product. I don't go into every thread you post in just to bash your opinion so why do it to me? Like I said, this thread is my prediction for what I think will happen. It's not Kneroh's or mrpawn's or anyone else. Feel free to post in this thread in June after the movie hits. I may just have been right. Or I could've been so far off I wasn't on the same planet. We won't know until then. That's why this is a prediction, not a fact thread.

[Crazy Legs]

I like the ROC trailer better than the new one.
More crazy GI JOE action than in the new one.

[vadersquest]

You know I am watching ROC right now. It was a shitty movie then and its still a shitty movie now. The new one, even with it being a sequel, it will address many issues that fell to ROC. I think it will be good and you know what? I knew ROC was going to be shitty with the first trailer. Retaliation looks so much better but thats my opinion I guess.

[Steelgrave]

Where is this thread going?

[kneroh]

Actually it was my opinion of how I think the movie will play out. This whole site is devoted to a toy and we all give our opinion about it. Don't like my opinion? Great. I probably have a different opinion than you do. If we all had the same opinion that there would be no need for this site, except to look at pictures of upcoming product. I don't go into every thread you post in just to bash your opinion so why do it to me? Like I said, this thread is my prediction for what I think will happen. It's not Kneroh's or mrpawn's or anyone else. Feel free to post in this thread in June after the movie hits. I may just have been right. Or I could've been so far off I wasn't on the same planet. We won't know until then. That's why this is a prediction, not a fact thread.

Sorry, I don't follow you around and disagree with you for the sheer point of disagreeing with you. Once again, that's your ego talking. Do you honestly think your presence on a toy forum is of such impact that I'd actually take the time to do such a thing. It's nothing short of absurd. And very egotistical.

I disagree you with here. I'm speaking as to why I'm in disagreement. Just as I would do with any poster who's opinion on a subject that I happen to disagree with and care about.

And it's not your thread. It's everyone's. Once you hit post it's no longer yours. You have no ownership (ego again) it belongs to the forum. A public forum where anyone can express their views whether they are the same or if they differ from yours.

[hifipinkie29]

I don't know. I actually thought about this for a little while the night the trailer premiered. If you go back and read the comments people made after watching the trailer for ROC, you'll notice alot more negative comments and remarks. I would say it was about 30% positive and 70% negative. So far, for Retaliation, it's been MOSTLY positive.

I was excited for ROC, well, cautiously excited. Although I do like ROC, I have a feeling I'm going to like Retaliation a million times more. I see ALOT less cheese in this movie. Now, I know I've seen only one trailer, but if I compare ROC and Retaliation trailer to trailer...there's much less cheese in Retaliation.

[Steelgrave]

I agree with drunknmunky. Everybody is excited over Retaliation now but as soon as the new canon they established for ROC comes out they're all going to bitch & moan. The Baroness is still Cobra Commanders sister. Zartan still transforms his face using Nano-Mites. Storm Shadow is still alive thanks to the Nano-Mites. The Eiffel Tower is probably still trashed. The Rock is so popular thanks to the Nano-Mites. Everything they hated from ROC is still there. It's a sequel, not a reboot. So stop trying to act like you don't understand what drunknmunky is trying to say.

[Troynos]

You know I am watching ROC right now. It was a shitty movie then and its still a shitty movie now. The new one, even with it being a sequel, it will address many issues that fell to ROC. I think it will be good and you know what? I knew ROC was going to be shitty with the first trailer. Retaliation looks so much better but thats my opinion I guess.

Your opinion doesn't count.

Go away.

[blayze5150]

Sorry, I don't follow you around and disagree with you for the sheer point of disagreeing with you. Once again, that's your ego talking. Do you honestly think your presence on a toy forum is of such impact that I'd actually take the time to do such a thing. It's nothing short of absurd. And very egotistical.

Thanks, Ken! The sooner everyone realizes they are here to entertain me the better :) !

[KingBiohazerd]

[QUOTE=drunknmunky;3123921
Your opinion really doesn't matter because, lets face it, your opinion is whatever Kneroh says it is.[/QUOTE]

Lol that's funny cause last time I check Kneroh isn't my father or my master. Speaking of peoples opinions the way you make things sound no body can have one that doesn't agree with you. Nice try thou. I'll be laughing all night at how stupid and how hard you try to get people to see things your way! You may sit back down now you want be dictator.

[drunknmunky]

Sorry, I don't follow you around and disagree with you for the sheer point of disagreeing with you. Once again, that's your ego talking. Do you honestly think your presence on a toy forum is of such impact that I'd actually take the time to do such a thing. It's nothing short of absurd. And very egotistical.

Not egotistical at all. I've had it happen to me before. Hence the Joseph reference.


I disagree you with here. I'm speaking as to why I'm in disagreement. Just as I would do with any poster who's opinion on a subject that I happen to disagree with and care about.
I have no problem if you disagree with me. I expect people to disagree. Problem is I gave my opinion, I gave the reason why I think that way and even backed it up with data from the first film's success. You have contributed nothing but trying to be funny. When all else fails and you have nothing, try to at last make them laugh, right?


And it's not your thread. It's everyone's. Once you hit post it's no longer yours. You have no ownership (ego again) it belongs to the forum. A public forum where anyone can express their views whether they are the same or if they differ from yours.
I read what you quoted and can't seem to find where I said it was my thread. But it is my opinion.

[hectordelgado]

mods please delete this post thanks.

[mynameis]

I meant that I don't have to be reminded of it.
Lol, ok. I'd need to be hooked up to the brainwave scanner to forget those elements of roc

[drunknmunky]

I agree with drunknmunky. Everybody is excited over Retaliation now but as soon as the new canon they established for ROC comes out they're all going to bitch & moan. The Baroness is still Cobra Commanders sister. Zartan still transforms his face using Nano-Mites. Storm Shadow is still alive thanks to the Nano-Mites. The Eiffel Tower is probably still trashed. The Rock is so popular thanks to the Nano-Mites. Everything they hated from ROC is still there. It's a sequel, not a reboot. So stop trying to act like you don't understand what drunknmunky is trying to say.

This is exactly what I'm saying. This movie can't fix all of that. It's still there and will play a huge role in the new movie. Even if they have Bruce Willis and The Rock and characters like Jinx and Red Ninjas, the while story happens because of the mythos that was established in RoC. If you think that will all be erased then you will be disappointed.

[Wry1]

the first time i got an "infraction" here was due to a trailer for ROC. i later realized i was indeed retarded for arguing so heatedly about a movie that wasn't out yet, just had a two minute peep.

seriously...what the fuck is the point.

[Steelgrave]

seriously...what the fuck is the point.

There's no point to 90% of the threads on here. Other than parts identification, convention info, new toy sightings or posting your customs most of the threads are pointless & just repeat & go around in circles.

Really, the only thread that actually says something on this entire site is this one:

http://www.hisstank.com/forum/testing-grounds-spam-o-rama/181728-sorry-not-disappoint-you-but.html

It's chock full o win & covered in awesome sauce! And toaster leavins!

[The L.O.C.]

This is exactly what I'm saying. This movie can't fix all of that. It's still there and will play a huge role in the new movie. Even if they have Bruce Willis and The Rock and characters like Jinx and Red Ninjas, the while story happens because of the mythos that was established in RoC. If you think that will all be erased then you will be disappointed.

It [RoC universe] doesn't have to be fixed, Retaliation just needs to touch on those plot points from RoC to help with continuity and then move on. Happens every Wednesday in the comic book world...

Not that it matters but i can think of many sequels have been better than their predecessors.

[Steelgrave]

Here's what I wanna know: is Zartan going to transform at all in Retaliation? Is Arnold Vosloo going to show up at all? Or is he going to stay as the president the entire time?

[Wry1]

Not that it matters but i can think of many sequels have been better than their predecessors.

Many sequels have the hurdle of topping the first movie. Fortunately we don't have that problem here. A mild fart would propel us higher than the previous bar that was set.

[drunknmunky]

It [RoC universe] doesn't have to be fixed, Retaliation just needs to touch on those plot points from RoC to help with continuity and then move on. Happens every Wednesday in the comic book world...

Not that it matters but i can think of many sequels have been better than their predecessors.

I agree 100%. I thought X-Men 2 was way better than the first. But I don't know anything about their origins going into the movie. With RoC we had expectations of how each character should be portrayed because we all have attachments to the Joe mythos. So when we seen Scarlet and Ripcord flirting or the Rex/ Baroness/ Duke connection we all cried foul. That's not how we remember it. That's not what we grew up with. But now Retaliation is looking good. But the plot will still be influenced by RoC. The president is still Zartan, Zartan is powered ny Nano-Mites, Rex/Duke/Baroness are still connected, Snake Eyes took an oath of silence. Things like that can't be changed, they are essential to the plot. So my point was if you hated RoC because of those elements them Retaliation isn't going to make those things disappear.

[cobracobra]

I really loved ROC sorry to see that we wont have returning cast members.
I feel bad for all the GI JOE haters in the world I wish them happiness in another hobby. Move on if your going to beat up on ROC, it is what GI JOE is today, it is what Hasbro is backing up like or not ROC and R it is GI JOE. So like it or get out!
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[drunknmunky]

Here's what I wanna know: is Zartan going to transform at all in Retaliation? Is Arnold Vosloo going to show up at all? Or is he going to stay as the president the entire time?
I haven't seen anything about Vosloo being in the sequel but that doesn't mean he's not in it either. But obviously Zartan being the president will play a huge role in the movie. He's the man who tries to kill the whole Joe team in the trailer.

Many sequels have the hurdle of topping the first movie. Fortunately we don't have that problem here. A mild fart would propel us higher than the previous bar that was set.

That's not true though. Like I said earlier, the movie made 300+ million in theaters. It also had the biggest opening of any August movie in history. As much as we hate to admit it the movie was a success. And that is why I don't think Retaliation will be much different than RoC. Sure they're putting in things for the fan boy to recognize but I think the formula from the first will carry over into the sequel.

[Cobra80]

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"That's Gold Jerry, Gold." LoL :)

[the odinson]

Move on if your going to beat up on ROC, it is what GI JOE is today

uh, no, it's not. certainly not the toys, and i bet the sequel movie will distance itself as much as possible from roc while staying just close enough to not be a reboot.

[Wry1]

That's not true though. Like I said earlier, the movie made 300+ million in theaters. It also had the biggest opening of any August movie in history. As much as we hate to admit it the movie was a success. And that is why I don't think Retaliation will be much different than RoC. Sure they're putting in things for the fan boy to recognize but I think the formula from the first will carry over into the sequel.

money=quality? no.

trailer=movie? no.

shoot these threads in the face, place two pennies over their eyes, and then resurrect them when the movie comes out so it's kindasorta relevant to anything worth arguing.

[Cobra80]

But that's the point of this thread. Tons of people think RoC sucked. Now the same people are going crazy about how great Retaliation looks. Retaliation is a sequel so it is still based off of RoC. All the backstory that people hated is still there. So I'm just saying that the people who hated RoC will be the same people that say Retaliation sucked. I'll be sure to dig up a few threads to see what people thought of Retaliation before and after seeing it. I cam almost guarantee that it will be the RoC haters hating Retaliation just as much.


Not True. I will be posting the night I get back from the theater from seeing Retaliation. Also, I love the Terminator movies. In fact I really ENJOY T4 with Christian Bale. Most people hate that movie. I love it. I can't stand Terminator 1 but absolutely love T2. That movie was so much better than T1.

Granted Terminator came out in 1984 and 7 years later out came the masterpiece known as T2. But look Termintor 2 was 100 xxxxxxxxxx better then T1. Just like Retaliation will much better then Rise of Crap.

[drunknmunky]

money=quality? no.

trailer=movie? no.

shoot these threads in the face, place two pennies over their eyes, and then resurrect them when the movie comes out so it's kindasorta relevant to anything worth arguing.

Money doesn't equal quality. But the point of a movie is to make money, which RoC made massive amounts of. Paramount doesn't care what the fan boy thinks. They want money made. So take the formula from the first one to please Paramount, put a couple ARAH nods in there to please the fan boy and hope it makes even more than the first one. That's the way I think it will go. Of course this is just my opinion but right now all we can do is speculate until we know for sure.

[Gyre-Viper]

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[SonOfMindbender]

The first movie was rushed and it showed. Hell, half the cast said it was rushed. Why is it now when we as Joe fans hate or disagree were "Fanboys?" Is this the new "Scalper" for 2012? I think most of us are hoping for this new guy to clean up the franchise. drunkonkey wants us to believe that both trailers are equal. Maybe to some, that's still his opinion. I just don't understand what the endgame of a thread like this is when you hide behind opinions. I happen to think drunkmonkey is wrong in his opinion. Am I just a "Fanboy" or is that my opinion?

[Gyre-Viper]

Sorry, I don't follow you around and disagree with you for the sheer point of disagreeing with you. Once again, that's your ego talking. Do you honestly think your presence on a toy forum is of such impact that I'd actually take the time to do such a thing. It's nothing short of absurd. And very egotistical.

I disagree you with here. I'm speaking as to why I'm in disagreement. Just as I would do with any poster who's opinion on a subject that I happen to disagree with and care about.

And it's not your thread. It's everyone's. Once you hit post it's no longer yours. You have no ownership (ego again) it belongs to the forum. A public forum where anyone can express their views whether they are the same or if they differ from yours.


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[Colt Blue]

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[Wry1]

Of course this is just my opinion but right now all we can do is speculate until we know for sure.

Ok so...let's watch the movie. And then we'll necro this threads head off. As of now though....pointless.

[Gun-Haver]

Yeah look at the similarities between the ROC and Retaliation trailers! They're practically the same! Snake Eyes was in both trailers, and um I'm sure a bunch of other stuff is the same. Army stuff. yeah. so it's the same deal ... You know what let me get back to you on this, I have a lot of rethinking to do regarding my life.

[Colt Blue]

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[The L.O.C.]

Money doesn't equal quality. But the point of a movie is to make money, which RoC made massive amounts of. Paramount doesn't care what the fan boy thinks. They want money made. So take the formula from the first one to please Paramount, put a couple ARAH nods in there to please the fan boy and hope it makes even more than the first one. That's the way I think it will go. Of course this is just my opinion but right now all we can do is speculate until we know for sure.

What is this formula RoC had? Rushed script? B and C actors? A director that doesn't know the property?

Hasbro will still have a big say in the direction of their property even if it is produced by Paramount. They want to sell toys and create a franchise to really market it. The writer's strike was an unfortunate setback.

What do you think made more money for Lucas, the films or licensing?

[Gyre-Viper]

My point is everyone thinks this movie is going to be the best movie ever made. But that's what people thought about the first one. There's so many people on here that think the new movie will be the greatest ever just from the trailers. I'm saying it's most likely going to be just like RoC.


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[skinny]

It was set up as a trilogy, a shame that most movies nowadays have to be written as a series and can't stand on their own as a solid story. So yes there will be storyline elements that will be continued in Retaliation that started in Rise of Cobra. The main storyline of Zartan being the President should be continued, as it was a pretty good (not great, not original, CC was potas in DDP) set-up for a future film.
The thing is this is like chapter two, the stuff in chapter one isnt relevant to this story. Would the joes still use MARS technology and rely on it after MARS was shown to be Cobra? probably not. the triangle? used to create drama in chapter one, not necessary in chapter two because Duke is no longer the focus. The story progresses with new characters and even though the ROC elements still exist, most likely they wont be mentioned. Nor do they need to be. in Star Wars did Han and Luke talk about blowing up the death star or rescuing Leia? nope. (fanboy Dack did mention that line about wanting to take on the whole Empire by himself and Luke said I know what you mean) Transformers did anyone say..Gee I really miss Jazz. nope. Did the Godfather talk about past kills? ( I dont know not a huge Godfather fan)
I mean it is possible they might do that but it just isn't relevant to a new story, save for Storm Shadow and SE's rivalry, which with the exception of them knowing each other as kids was handled pretty well in ROC. The events of ROC can be "swept under the rug" and the story can progress in a new direction in Retaliation with new characters.

[the odinson]

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bustin' makes me feel good.

[KINKO]

Rise of Cobra Rulz !!!!!!!! Retaliation shall Rule !!!!!!!! Everything G I Joe Rulz . . . Sooo #*$! all you Haters!!!!!!!! Move On !!!!!!!! I am goin' to Laugh so hard when you Haters are all on Retaliations SACK!!!!!!!! . . . Cobraaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!

[Darth Awgmon]

If GI Joe is to continue as a major movie franchise, Retaliation has to be much better than ROC. You could tell that movie was going to suck dick from the get-go. From the cast and what we know so far, this sequel looks a helluva lot better than ROC. If you can't see that, you've got your head up your ass. And I'm sorry because that sounds painful.

[Zarana]

Has anyone mentioned this one wasn't scripted right before the writers strike? That may have a lot to do with how well this turns out.

[Colt Blue]

Has anyone mentioned this one wasn't scripted right before the writers strike? That may have a lot to do with how well this turns out.

It seems that part of it is conveniently left out of these 'discussions'.

[dark knight]

ROC was so bad, anything would look better after it. If you had camel shit for breakfast, NO DOUBT your next meal will taste better, even if it is wet homeless socks. We are all used to eating feces, and now it smells like me-maws fried chicken is cookin.

[KingBiohazerd]

Rise of Cobra Rulz !!!!!!!! Retaliation shall Rule !!!!!!!! Everything G I Joe Rulz . . . Sooo #*$! all you Haters!!!!!!!! Move On !!!!!!!! I am goin' to Laugh so hard when you Haters are all on Retaliations SACK!!!!!!!! . . . Cobraaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!

You ate a lot of paint chips and sniffed a lot of glue growing up didn't you?

[Gun-Haver]

We are all used to eating feces, and now its smells like me-maws fried chicken is cookin.

lol the f*ck? I love it.

[Tom-1]

Nice try thou.

The King is so formal tonight!

Tom

[Crimson Rage]

silly stuff about ROC

I can’t see a single shred of evidence in the RETALIATION trailer to suggest it’ll be more ‘intellectual’, ‘sophisticated’, better written or better acted than ROC. I see “babes” in skin tight uniforms, lots of explosions, fights, sassy one-liners and guns going off.

Now, I’m utterly cool with that because I enjoyed ROC, so no hypocrisy here. If the sequel delivers more of the same I’m happy. But the people who hated the first film for all the above perceived reasons and are now claiming the sequel looks “so much better” really should examine why they hate ROC so much in the first place. If you’re going to say that ROC is crap because of “A, B, & C” then you better not give RETALIATION a free pass, even if it’s filled with “A,B & C”, simply because they got the ‘look’ right. If you do, that utterly undermines the ludicrous “ROC was the worst film ever” and “abomination” complaints that littered the internet three years ago. If you hate ROC because of OTT lasers and black impact armour then fair enough, but at least be honest about it and stop fooling yourself into thinking it was the "worsest filum eva!"


Even worse were the people who told me “LOL, enjoy ‘GI JOE Street Fighter’ then” after seeing the ROC trailers. The Retaliation trailer resembles an entry to the Street Fighter movie series way more than the ROC one did, yet I haven’t seen the the snide “Street Fighter” comment once this time.

Now, to clarify: I’m not dissing the RETALIATION trailer. For the most part it looks great and I expect to enjoy it as much as I did ROC. My point is that there isn’t anything to suggest it’ll be the “quality” action film which detractors of the first film so demanded, yet it’s already being hailed by those same people as the second coming. I expect to be smelling a lot of hypocrisy on the Tank post-Retaliation when people gloss over all the things they claim made ROC so bad.

[crock master]

Here's what I wanna know: is Zartan going to transform at all in Retaliation? Is Arnold Vosloo going to show up at all? Or is he going to stay as the president the entire time?

well if he is the president, then he has alrady transformed.

[XAMOT]

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[Crimson Rage]

Here's what I wanna know: is Zartan going to transform at all in Retaliation? Is Arnold Vosloo going to show up at all? Or is he going to stay as the president the entire time?

If he doesn't, it really will stymie the people who haven't seen ROC and utterly undermine any impact the sequal has. They'll be wondering how this person, elected by the American people, can suddenly start supporting terrorists: They'll claim it's a massive plot hole or 'bad writing'.

I hope Zartan has managed to control the nanites (whether by machine or his own influence) and can change his appearance at will (not just into the President, either). If there's a scene where the President turns to the camera and morphs into Zartan, alá Mystique, it'll go a long way to fixing in a lot of potential story problems.

[seyms]

They'll be wondering how this person, elected by the American people, can suddenly start supporting terrorists: They'll claim it's a massive plot hole or 'bad writing'.

OR, they might realise that truth really is stranger than fiction.

[BEAM]

Here's what I wanna know: is Zartan going to transform at all in Retaliation? Is Arnold Vosloo going to show up at all? Or is he going to stay as the president the entire time?

Arnold Vosloo is listed on IMDB. Pretty good chance he'll show up in the movie.

Also from IMDB:

Actors are credited as "Cobra Storm Troopers"

Clutch and Tunnel Rat are characters listed (I'm thinking they'll be background characters because the actor playing Clutch is uncredited).

There is an actor names Han Soto playing a North Korean Guard. His parents must have been huge Star Wars fans.

[zedhatch]

But to all the Rise of Cobra haters, don't get your hopes up for Retaliation. I actually loved RoC (got special passes to see it a week before release). I thought RoC was entertaining as hell. Was it the Joe we grew up on? No. But it was a nice 21st century reboot. Besides, I don't want a simple retelling of 30 year old comics, give me something new! Anyways, remember how excited we were at the RoC trailer? Well now we have the Retaliation trailer. People are so excited. But don't get your hopes up too much. Why? Because it is still RoC continuation. I have a feeling that RoC haters will hate this movie just as much. Watch the trailers and check out the similarities.

They look pretty similar to me. Not sure if the second trailer is new but I've never seen it before. So to all you RoC haters I think this movie will disappoint you. To all my fellow RoC fans, the future looks good!



Actually, I started getting bad feelings about ROC with the ROC trailer, and it's pretty easy to draw similarities from any movie trailer, that's nothing new.

But a huge difference with retaliation is we get a hint of the story, which sounds like something cool, ROC didn't have that at all.

Like ROC all you want, fine, I hate the stinkburger. But I already have a better feeling from Retaliation than I did at ROC at this point.

[Viper6]

If GI Joe is to continue as a major movie franchise, Retaliation has to be much better than ROC. You could tell that movie was going to suck dick from the get-go. From the cast and what we know so far, this sequel looks a helluva lot better than ROC. If you can't see that, you've got your head up your ass. And I'm sorry because that sounds painful.

this^ and while they have their heads up their asses they still cant see the shit and they go on singing the lie that roc was worth a damn, i guess... to justify buying shitty action figure maybe? ya know...i dont know why stupid does what stupid does; but oh does it ever do what it do with the utmost unwillingness to see the forest for the trees.

[drunknmunky]

this^ and while they have their heads up their asses they still cant see the shit and they go on singing the lie that roc was worth a damn, i guess... to justify buying shitty action figure maybe? ya know...i dont know why stupid does what stupid does; but oh does it ever do what it do with the utmost unwillingness to see the forest for the trees.

So people who liked RoC were stupid? Right... If you didn't like it then that's fine. Was it great? No. Was it entertaining? Absolutely, that's why I liked it. Nobody is stupid for liking something or not liking it. I understand why people didn't like RoC. I get it that they didn't like the story or acting or whatever else. What I'm saying is Retaliation isn't going to wipe out everything we learned it RoC.
As for the crappy figure argument, RoC gave us some amazing figures. Night Force Tunnel Rat, Monkey Wrench, NF Shockwave, Night Adder, Paris Pursuit Snake Eyes, Sgt. Stone. The list goes on. The vehicles were also solid. Steel Crusher, Night Raven (oh my god, it's not identical to the vintage! Let's panic!), the Wal Mart Battle Stations. Anyone who thinks all the RoC toys sucked is just hating the movie so much that they refuse to like anything with the RoC logo on it. Which is a shame because they're missing out on some great stuff.

[Rattler 19]

Look roc was a decent popcorn flick it just sucked as a joe movie. Yeah with some good figs and vehicles we may not have got.

[zedhatch]

So people who liked RoC were stupid? Right... If you didn't like it then that's fine. Was it great? No. Was it entertaining? Absolutely, that's why I liked it. Nobody is stupid for liking something or not liking it. I understand why people didn't like RoC. I get it that they didn't like the story or acting or whatever else. What I'm saying is Retaliation isn't going to wipe out everything we learned it RoC.
As for the crappy figure argument, RoC gave us some amazing figures. Night Force Tunnel Rat, Monkey Wrench, NF Shockwave, Night Adder, Paris Pursuit Snake Eyes, Sgt. Stone. The list goes on. The vehicles were also solid. Steel Crusher, Night Raven (oh my god, it's not identical to the vintage! Let's panic!), the Wal Mart Battle Stations. Anyone who thinks all the RoC toys sucked is just hating the movie so much that they refuse to like anything with the RoC logo on it. Which is a shame because they're missing out on some great stuff.

I find it hilarous that all but two or three things you mentioned were not even based on movie designs. Yet you scream how "Awesome" the line based on ROC was.

PS-A pump action airplane does not cool make.

[orezona]

Uh, when I saw the first trailers for RoC, I knew right away it was going to be garbage.

Seriously, I was all,

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But after seeing the new trailer for Retaliation, I'm kind of

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However,

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I agree, it's a little too early to tell how things will turn out, but I'm a lot more optimistic with my feelings towards Retaliation than I was prior to seeing the first images for Rise of Cobra.

[CrimsonGuard101]

If he doesn't, it really will stymie the people who haven't seen ROC and utterly undermine any impact the sequal has. They'll be wondering how this person, elected by the American people, can suddenly start supporting terrorists: They'll claim it's a massive plot hole or 'bad writing'.

I hope Zartan has managed to control the nanites (whether by machine or his own influence) and can change his appearance at will (not just into the President, either). If there's a scene where the President turns to the camera and morphs into Zartan, alá Mystique, it'll go a long way to fixing in a lot of potential story problems.

Zaratan...mind controlling his nanomites...oh yes I want this so much...even ROC didnt dip that low into the rediculous....

Again you dont need to know who Zartan is or how he became the president to build a story around it for people who dont have a clue. AT some point in the movie, lets say Duke is running around crazed and scremaing the president has got to be a cobra infiltrator (see you dont even need to know he realy is cause somones "suspects" there is an issue with him) but have everyone doubts him, he then goes and busts down the door smakcs him in the face which causes the nanonmites to malfunction and...wait for it....big reveal...his face is then seen and ITS ZARTAN wow and the audience never even knew but were so suprised to find out! Thats how good pop corn flicks work yo!

[Troynos]

wait for it....big reveal...his face is then seen and ITS ZARTAN wow and the audience never even knew but were so suprised to find out! Thats how good pop corn flicks work yo!

And then the audience goes "who is that" because without RoC they wouldn't know who Zartan is.

[CrimsonGuard101]

And then the audience goes "who is that" because without RoC they wouldn't know who Zartan is.

Your kidding right? I dont think anyone who will go so this movie will not know who zartan is unless your taking somone who has been living under a rock for the past 45 years...

I guess you want them to have a narrator like Charleten Heston to be sitting in the theatre to be expalining all GI JOE lore for the audicen or maybe subtitles will help?

Hello audience this character is Zartan, please take out your Ipad and broswe to yojoe.com to read up more as the movie continues. If you have any questions, please see the Lore Specialists at the popcorn counter...

[zedhatch]

Your kidding right? I dont think anyone who will go so this movie will not know who zartan is unless your taking somone who has been living under a rock for the past 45 years...

I guess you want them to have a narrator like Charleten Heston to be sitting in the theatre to be expalining all GI JOE lore for the audicen or maybe subtitles will help?

Hello audience this character is Zartan, please take out your Ipad and broswe to yojoe.com to read up more as the movie continues. If you have any questions, please see the Lore Specialists at the popcorn counter...

Not everyone has had thier heads stuck in the GI Joe world for 30 years you know. Most of the people seeing this film probably never saw GI Joe before (unless it was ROC).

Which BTW is what a large group of people with little GI JOE knowledge had issue with the first film. They had no clue who was who. They expected some kind of introduction which often didn't happen in the course of the movie (and often they were additionally distracted by an vauge plot anyway).

[CrimsonGuard101]

Not everyone has had thier heads stuck in the GI Joe world for 30 years you know. Most of the people seeing this film probably never saw GI Joe before (unless it was ROC).

Which BTW is what a large group of people with little GI JOE knowledge had issue with the first film. They had no clue who was who. They expected some kind of introduction which often didn't happen in the course of the movie (and often they were additionally distracted by an vauge plot anyway).

Well there you have it, they shouldn't go watch it if they didnt do full research before hand to better prepare themselves to "enjoy" and "fully understand" either movie. Not my fault and not the directors fault they choose to remain ignorant of the reason the shows were made in the first place.

[Crimson Rage]

Not everyone has had thier heads stuck in the GI Joe world for 30 years you know. Most of the people seeing this film probably never saw GI Joe before (unless it was ROC).

Which BTW is what a large group of people with little GI JOE knowledge had issue with the first film. They had no clue who was who. They expected some kind of introduction which often didn't happen in the course of the movie (and often they were additionally distracted by an vauge plot anyway).

The more radical fans seem to think that GI JOE has the cultural penertration of Star Wars. That's not even the case in the US, let alone the rest of the world. I know a few people who enjoyed ROC yet found the names comical. A character with the name of "Storm Shadow" was absurd to them.

[CrimsonGuard101]

The more radical fans seem to think that GI JOE has the cultural penertration of Star Wars. That's not even the case in the US, let alone the rest of the world. I know a few people who enjoyed ROC yet found the names comical. A character with the name of "Storm Shadow" was absurd to them.

People who have no meaningful connection to a film's premise will always be like that. Star Wars would not have lasted to this day if all of the standard non "radical" people found it absurd now would it.

[The L.O.C.]

People who have no meaningful connection to a film's premise will always be like that. Star Wars would not have lasted to this day if all of the standard non "radical" people found it absurd now would it.

Are you really comparing Star Wars to RoC?

[Crimson Rage]

I find it hilarous that all but two or three things you mentioned were not even based on movie designs. Yet you scream how "Awesome" the line based on ROC was.

PS-A pump action airplane does not cool make.

I actually want new toys, not rehashes of old. The reason GI JOE lasted so long as a toy line was because it gave us new stuff every year.

And yes, I also find it damn offensive that you dismiss me and others who liked ROC with such sneering superiority because I happen to avoid the knee-jerk bleating bandwagon. I had to put up with it three years ago when the "no taste", "you're an idiot" and "you're not a real fan" accusations were tossed at me but hoped a little maturity had crept in since then.. demonstrably not.

You haven't a clue what the acting, directing and script will be like for Retaliation (could be even worse than ROC) yet you've already decided it's going to be better based on a two-minute trailer because the costumes are 'better'. Don't the Joes still "all look the same"? Did you see any characterisation? What's the plot? Joes go renegade? That hasn't been done before has it? And yet you're prepared to forgive pretty much anything now because CC has a face plate!!!

Absolute, utter proof that you hate ROC for the most superficial reasons. And no, you can't come back and say "No, I hated the directing, acting and blah" because you have no evidence to say those things will be better in Retaliation. Not - one - jot.
Seriously, I'm pi$$ed off - If people's idea of critiquing a film includes being smart arses and attemtping to humiliate it's fans then you can take GI Joe fandom, with all it's apparent pretentious arrogance, and shove it.

[CrimsonGuard101]

I actually want new toys, not rehashes of old. The reason GI JOE lasted so long as a toy line was because it gave us new stuff every year.

And yes, I also find it damn offensive that you dismiss me and others who liked ROC with such sneering superiority because I happen to avoid the knee-jerk bleating bandwagon.

You haven't a clue what the acting, directing and script will be like for Retaliation (could be even worse than ROC) yet you've already decided it's going to be better based on a two-minute trailer because the costumes are 'better'. Don't the Joes still "all look the same"? Did you see any characterisation? What's the plot? Joes go renegade? That hasn't been done before has it? And yet you're prepared to forgive pretty much anything now because CC has a face plate!!!

Absolute, utter proof that you hate ROC for the most superficial reasons. And no, you can't come back and say "No, I hated the directing, acting and blah" because you have no evidence to say those things will be better in Retaliation. Not - one - jot.
Seriously, I'm pi$$ed off - If people's idea of critiquing a film includes being smart arses and attemtping to humiliate it's fans then you can take GI Joe fandom, with all it's apparent pretentious arrogance, and shove it.

Well that's rubbish. STAR WARS created a universe - Everyone was there from the start who wanted to be. RISE OF COBRA adapted an already existing universe that many aren't aware of.

Superficial or not, it does not matter the reasons. You should be happy I am not bashing the film already and oh wait a second...GIVING IT a chance and being exicted to see the new incarnation of GI JOE at the big screen...jeez...lol thats pretty superficial not to mention shallow and disrespectful of you...to bash somone supporitng something you will be supporting reagrdless if ROC was good or not. Just give it a rest man.

[Crimson Rage]

Originally Posted by CrimsonGuard101
People who have no meaningful connection to a film's premise will always be like that. Star Wars would not have lasted to this day if all of the standard non "radical" people found it absurd now would it.

Well that's not relevant at all. STAR WARS created a universe - Everyone was there from the start who wanted to be. RISE OF COBRA adapted an already existing universe that many aren't aware of.

[CrimsonGuard101]

Well that's not relevant at all. STAR WARS created a universe - Everyone was there from the start who wanted to be. RISE OF COBRA adapted an already existing universe that many aren't aware of.

Then why didn't ROC do it? Hmm? It tried to create it's own spin of a mistmatch of a universe that has a huge identiy crisis and utterly failed to do what Bay did with transfomrers (which has the same previous material to work form like GI JOE does).

[Crimson Rage]

a load of nasty

So what in the RETALIATION trailer led you to think it'll be so much better? What was it about the directing you liked? What script line was so impressive? Which piece of characterisation was so profound that it moved you make this judgement?
All I saw was a lot of fighting, explosions, Dwayne Johnson delivering a cheesy line and a typical wisecrack from Bruce Willis.
All well and good for a Joe movie and I look forward to it, but bugger all that suggests the sequal will be any more a "popcorn action flick" than ROC was.

[drunknmunky]

Then why didn't ROC do it? Hmm? It tried to create it's own spin of a mistmatch of a universe that has a huge identiy crisis and utterly failed to do what Bay did with transfomrers (which has the same previous material to work form like GI JOE does).

What was wrong with the universe in RoC? It was all new, throw what you know out the window. What did you not like about the RoC universe exactly?

[SonOfMindbender]

So what in the RETALIATION trailer led you to think it'll be so much better? What was it about the directing you liked? What script line was so impressive? Which piece of characterisation was so profound that it moved you make this judgement?
All I saw was a lot of fighting, explosions, Dwayne Johnson delivering a cheesy line and a typical wisecrack from Bruce Willis.
All well and good for a Joe movie and I look forward to it, but bugger all that suggests the sequal will be any more a "popcorn action flick" than ROC was.

It's the trailer, it's the new writers, it's a few more name brand cast-mates, a Cobra Commander with a proper helmet, etc. the first movie was rushed and poorly written to get in in before the writers strike. It was a half assed start to a trilogy and most of us here know it.

[Crimson Rage]

Originally Posted by CrimsonGuard101
Then why didn't ROC do it? Hmm? It tried to create it's own spin of a mistmatch of a universe that has a huge identiy crisis and utterly failed to do what Bay did with transfomrers (which has the same previous material to work form like GI JOE does).

First off, define which 'universe' you mean? Cartoon (where Duke and Scarlet are an item, Snake Eyes & Storm Shadow aren't 'related' and Bazooka's an idiot)? comic? Filecard only? George Lucus didn't have to gather together umpteen different continuities into a melting pot. He crafted it from the ground up, something which ROC couldn't do. It had to have a character called "Storm Shadow" and It had to have a charater called "Zartan" (another one that induced sniggers in the audience).

And your assertion that Micheal Bay got it 'right' would be met with more than a few angry words from many a G1 fan, which sort of proves my point. As an outsider looking in, you found the TF films 'okay' (I presume).

[CrimsonGuard101]

First off, define which 'universe' you mean? Cartoon (where Duke and Scarlet are an item, Snake Eyes & Storm Shadow aren't 'related' and Bazooka's an idiot)? comic? Filecard only? George Lucus didn't have to gather together umpteen different continuities into a melting pot. He crafted it from the ground up, something which ROC couldn't do. It had to have a character called "Storm Shadow" and It had to have a charater called "Zartan" (another one that induced sniggers in the audience).

And your assertion that Micheal Bay got it 'right' would be met with more than a few angry words from many a G1 fan, which sort of proves my point. As an outsider looking in, you found the TF films 'okay' (I presume).

He got it right form the bukoos of money the third film made, peopel kinda liked the the first TF, really hated the second, and bombed it out wiht the third....estimated 1 billion in sales o rmore? The 300 million ROC Made is pennies to that behmoth of a powerhouse perofmance at the movie theatre....it got kids fired up which counts. Did Roc do that? Again...no...it dosent matter how much back detail you got, you need to use it to your advanatge, Sommers decided to use James Bond, X-men, Transfomers, and the other tings "he" was interested in to present 'his" vision of GI JOE, not the fans, not Hasbros (they have stated many times they were not happy with it and hope Retaliation fixes some of that bad water). He didnt so much look at file card much less a comic book during all of his filming of this movie. Chu is said to be a bigger fan then Sommers and has been very exicited about doing this or eopenly then anyone from ROC was...that gives me hope...why take that away from me? All Because I don't like ROC and am really exicited to see where Retalaitoon is going to go? lol

[drunknmunky]

It's the trailer, it's the new writers, it's a few more name brand cast-mates, a Cobra Commander with a proper helmet, etc. the first movie was rushed and poorly written to get in in before the writers strike. It was a half assed start to a trilogy and most of us here know it.

But you can't say the writing is better yet. We won't know until we actually see it. The dialog we've heard is pretty bad. People are judging this trailer because they recognize more in it. Just because it has Jinx and Red Ninjas in it doesn't mean it won't still be a popcorn flick.

[samantha]

Here is my opinion. ROC was a fun movie with a plotline that could have been done in the 80's cartoon and because of that I liked it. Retaliation looks like a more grown up version of GI Joe. So I look at ROC as a prequel with all the build up to the main event which is Retaliation.

People can bash any movie or storyline they want but thankfully I have my own mind and my own likes and I enjoyed the trailer and have faith that the movie will be just as good.

[SonOfMindbender]

But you can't say the writing is better yet. We won't know until we actually see it. The dialog we've heard is pretty bad. People are judging this trailer because they recognize more in it. Just because it has Jinx and Red Ninjas in it doesn't mean it won't still be a popcorn flick.

I'm betting a three year old with a crayon and a clean wall could write a better movie. No, we have not seen it yet. Yes we know the plot a little more. It's that little plot line that makes it more interesting to me than the first one. NANOMITES that can fix or eat anything!? Come on!! That's just Bad!!

[Gyre-Viper]

ROC was better than this thread.

[drunknmunky]

I'm betting a three year old with a crayon and a clean wall could write a better movie. No, we have not seen it yet. Yes we know the plot a little more. It's that little plot line that makes it more interesting to me than the first one. NANOMITES that can fix or eat anything!? Come on!! That's just Bad!!

No worse than the Weather Dominator or the MASS Device. Plus Zartan is president in Retaliation. Why? Because of Nano Mites.

[starbuck]

First off, define which 'universe' you mean? Cartoon (where Duke and Scarlet are an item, Snake Eyes & Storm Shadow aren't 'related' and Bazooka's an idiot)? comic? Filecard only? George Lucus didn't have to gather together umpteen different continuities into a melting pot. He crafted it from the ground up, something which ROC couldn't do. It had to have a character called "Storm Shadow" and It had to have a charater called "Zartan" (another one that induced sniggers in the audience).

You might want to use the word "snickers" in stead:



snicker - definition of snicker by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia. (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/snicker)

Snicker - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/snicker)

Snicker | Define Snicker at Dictionary.com (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/snicker)






Just a suggestion... :)

[SonOfMindbender]

No worse than the Weather Dominator or the MASS Device. Plus Zartan is president in Retaliation. Why? Because of Nano Mites.

Yes, I wanted to watch this new movie because of the Presidents roll. Look, I am a Fanboy when it comes to the Joe Comic storyline. I started with the comic first and the TV show second. So, to answer your statement... The Weather Dominator sucks too and if all we have to worry about is Zartan as President carried over from that last steaming pile of crap, I will learn to deal with it.

[drunknmunky]

ROC was better than this thread.
Don't worry. This thread was rushed. It really wasn't written with the intentions of being a Joe thread. But I've got new writers working on the sequel to this thread. It's gonna be the best sequel thread ever! The trailer will premier in between infomercials on your local Spanish TV station.

Yes, I wanted to watch this new movie because of the Presidents roll. Look, I am a Fanboy when it comes to the Joe Comic storyline. I started with the comic first and the TV show second. So, to answer your statement... The Weather Dominator sucks too and if all we have to worry about is Zartan as President carried over from that last steaming pile of crap, I will learn to deal with it.
But that's what I mean is we can't just toss RoC out the window. What happened in RoC will still affect Retaliation.

[CrimsonGuard101]

No worse than the Weather Dominator or the MASS Device. Plus Zartan is president in Retaliation. Why? Because of Nano Mites.

Maybe not. maybe they will go back and show us how badass of a master of disguise Zartan is to just body swap using his mind powers bestowed upon him by Crystal Ball (too bad Vincent Price is still not around to play the part! lol)

But that' what I mean is we can't just toss RoC out the window. What happened in RoC will still affect Retaliation.

It's a waste of time to continue trying to salavge ROC with Retaliation. We all know how that story goes. Its time to focus on where the story is headed. I am more interested in how Cobra takes over Washington then spending hours of flashbacks in how Zaratan became the president. Its really uneeded infos, hes th epresident now big whoop, move on to what he does with this realy weak power position he has managed to get himself into...I still wanna know how he convinces Congress/the House/Senate to work together to have a popular revelution that somehow allows CObra COmmander to take overe the white house lol

[Steelgrave]

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd374/Clawgut/energizerbunnyROC.jpg



Keeps goin & goin & goin & goin

[KingBiohazerd]

so how about them detroit lions

[Troynos]

so how about them detroit lions

They'll make the playoffs as a Wild Card.


But what about the Patriots against Tebow this weekend?

GO PATS!!

[KingBiohazerd]

tebow comes out on top again hes got god behind him

[darthmaul1]

But to all the Rise of Cobra haters, don't get your hopes up for Retaliation. I actually loved RoC (got special passes to see it a week before release). I thought RoC was entertaining as hell. Was it the Joe we grew up on? No. But it was a nice 21st century reboot. Besides, I don't want a simple retelling of 30 year old comics, give me something new! Anyways, remember how excited we were at the RoC trailer? Well now we have the Retaliation trailer. People are so excited. But don't get your hopes up too much. Why? Because it is still RoC continuation. I have a feeling that RoC haters will hate this movie just as much. Watch the trailers and check out the similarities.

G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra Official Movie Trailer #1 HD - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaNs64k_2xw)


G.I. Joe: Retaliation Exclusive Premiere Trailer [HD] - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSX2oxLdcWA)


They look pretty similar to me. Not sure if the second trailer is new but I've never seen it before. So to all you RoC haters I think this movie will disappoint you. To all my fellow RoC fans, the future looks good!

I loved ROC too! the story was good and the action was non stop. and you felt like a kid in the sand box while watching it. but it still made sense. unlike Transformers 2 and 3. I personally think the hardcore fan boys, didn't like it cause it wasn't the same as the comics or cartoon, and all i can say is thank christ it wasn't. You watch the cartoon now and it sucks so bad. this was as you said a reboot for the 21st century.

[Troynos]

tebow comes out on top again hes got god behind him

Tebow is going to get Tebowed by the Pats.

[KingBiohazerd]

Tebow is going to get Tebowed by the Pats.

haha yea most likely

[drunknmunky]

I loved ROC too! the story was good and the action was non stop. and you felt like a kid in the sand box while watching it. but it still made sense. unlike Transformers 2 and 3. I personally think the hardcore fan boys, didn't like it cause it wasn't the same as the comics or cartoon, and all i can say is thank christ it wasn't. You watch the cartoon now and it sucks so bad. this was as you said a reboot for the 21st century.

Imagine how bad it would have been if they were fighting Cobra with their MASS Device. I would've loved to see the Duke prisoner fight in live action. That movie would've been hilarious.
People want everything to stay the same as the comic or cartoon. But if they really made a movie from those things it would've went straight to DVD and been at CVS for 3 dollars.

[Steelgrave]

so how about them detroit lions

I'm not into hockey. Sorry.

[CrimsonGuard101]

That about sums it up, Tebow is about the only thing that can save ROC at this point haha. Thats a great question for the next Q&A. Does Tebow support ROC? lol

[thairestauranteur]

Along with Duke, I sure hope Ripcord gets a bullet between the eyes. Wayans was no Ripcord. Not at all.

[CrimsonGuard101]

Along with Duke, I sure hope Ripcord gets a bullet between the eyes. Wayans was no Ripcord. Not at all.

Thank ROC he is not coming back lol...

[Steelgrave]

Other than being a black guy playing a white character I don't see a single thing wrong with Marlon Wayans as Ripcord. He was one of the better things about ROC. I love every scene he's in. Every time I see the end where he gets arrested again it cracks me up. And the part where he crashes through the train because he didn't read the instruction manual was cool as hell. He kicked ass!

The only character/actor that got on my nerves in the entire movie was Destro. And I think Dennis Quaid could have done a little better. Channing Tatum didn't even bother other than the fact that he was too young to play Duke.

[drunknmunky]

Other than being a black guy playing a white character I don't see a single thing wrong with Marlon Wayans as Ripcord. He was one of the better things about ROC. I love every scene he's in. Every time I see the end where he gets arrested again it cracks me up. And the part where he crashes through the train because he didn't read the instruction manual was cool as hell. He kicked ass!

The only character/actor that got on my nerves in the entire movie was Destro. And I think Dennis Quaid could have done a little better. Channing Tatum didn't even bother other than the fact that he was too young to play Duke.

I agree with pretty much everything. Tatum sucked but we pretty much knew what his acting capabilities were before the movie so we weren't shocked. I really knew nothing about Ripcord other than the filecard so to me RoC gave him a personality. So what if he was white in the comics? Nobody cares that the Rock is playing a black character that has tons of background in the comics and cartoon.

[Steelgrave]

Nobody cares that the Rock is playing a black character.

I do. I think The Rock is totally wrong for Roadblock but nobody agrees with me so I never mention it. It's not a big deal so if everybody else likes it let them have it. An actor like the one who played Heavy Duty in ROC would make a much better Roadblock IMO. But it's too late so whatever.

[CrimsonGuard101]

Other than being a black guy playing a white character I don't see a single thing wrong with Marlon Wayans as Ripcord. He was one of the better things about ROC. I love every scene he's in. Every time I see the end where he gets arrested again it cracks me up. And the part where he crashes through the train because he didn't read the instruction manual was cool as hell. He kicked ass!

The only character/actor that got on my nerves in the entire movie was Destro. And I think Dennis Quaid could have done a little better. Channing Tatum didn't even bother other than the fact that he was too young to play Duke.

Its not the part/character he played that bothered me (45 million other people could have played that part and done just as good, it was a pretty lackluster part to begin with, lower tier reltiviely unknown joe that didn't even need ot be in ther ein the first place) its just Wayanes himself I take issue with. For his past work (especially white chix), this is just not a movie worth sacrificing other quality actors, or new actors looking for a break. He dosent quite fit the bill as a memorable person for met o want to associate or to have been any character from the GI JOE I know and love (would have been amazing to see Denzel Washignton play the part, maybe in Joe 3 he can be cast). If we needed him for comedic relief they should have just gotten Eddie Murphy to play the part....might have added a little pizzaz to the show...

Agree 100% on Destor, I think Eccehlson would have doen better if his part had been deisgned right and he had a better director and a better CGI master for his Mask at the end...all of that was rather forgettable

[A.C.T.]

Roc continuation, but the story was weak/
Move on Retaliation, is up on a peak/
Or a plateau, jinx is hotter than Tabasco/
Rex Lewis is Cobra Commander? Is that
so/
Accelerator suits just left me surprised/
I know robots are IN, especially ones in disguise/
Baroness and Duke an item? Get the F out/
Everyone connected, really was that the best route/
A bunch of bullshit, Snake-Eyes with fake lips/
Equip on his mask its trash, betta just face it/
I still like Roc, seen it twice and bought the movie/
First time I seen it, I was blessed from a doobie/
Story was uninspired and the plot, had a lot to fix/
Trailer to trailer which is better/
That's just obvious.

I really hope its better. Who am I kidding, it will be.

[Steelgrave]

Its not the part/character he played that bothered me (45 million other people could have played that part and done just as good, it was a pretty lackluster part to begin with, lower tier reltiviely unknown joe that didn't even need ot be in ther ein the first place) its just Wayanes himself I take issue with. For his past work (especially white chix), this is just not a movie worth sacrificing other quality actors, or new actors looking for a break. He dosent quite fit the bill as a memorable person for met o want to associate or to have been any character from the GI JOE I know and love


Yeah, I see your point. But just like The Rock as Roadblock, that's what we got so might as well just run with it. I like The Rock but I think Roadblock was a dumb choice of characters for him to play. But what's done is done, I can't do anything about it, The Rock IS Roadblock so I just have to go along with it. If I started a million threads complaining about it.....well, you know how that would go. Everybody else seems to like it so I'm keeping quiet.

I also think they should have tried to make Lady Jaye look more like Lady Jaye, you know, green outfit & short hair. But what they're giving us looks nothing like the character & there's nothing I can do about it. So whatever! I'll just take what I can get.

ROC wasn't ARAH but I'll take what I can get. ROC was a million times better than what I expected from Hollywood. At least it wasn't as bad as that piece of shit Masters Of The universe movie. Every time somebody shits on ROC I think of the MOTU movie & how bad ROC could have been.

"ROC was the worst movie I ever saw!" Oh really? Then I guess you haven't seen Masters Of The Universe, Howard The Duck or Johnny Mnemonic. Or Wing Commander. Or any of the X-Men movies. And I hear Starship Troopers 2 was horrible. The same can be said for Transformers Revenge Of The Fallen. Everybody shits on that one too but it's a million times better than any of those other movies I just listed.

[CrimsonGuard101]

Yeah, I see your point. But just like The Rock as Roadblock, that's what we got so might as well just run with it. I like The Rock but I think Roadblock was a dumb choice of characters for him to play. But what's done is done, I can't do anything about it, The Rock IS Roadblock so I just have to go along with it. If I started a million threads complaining about it.....well, you know how that would go. Everybody else seems to like it so I'm keeping quiet.

I also think they should have tried to make Lady Jaye look more like Lady Jaye, you know, green outfit & short hair. But what they're giving us looks nothing like the character & there's nothing I can do about it. So whatever! I'll just take what I can get.

ROC wasn't ARAH but I'll take what I can get. ROC was a million times better than what I expected from Hollywood. At least it wasn't as bad as that piece of shit Masters Of The universe movie. Every time somebody shits on ROC I think of the MOTU movie & how bad ROC could have been.

"ROC was the worst movie I ever saw!" Oh really? Then I guess you haven't seen Masters Of The Universe, Howard The Duck or Johnny Mnemonic. Or Wing Commander. Or any of the X-Men movies. And I hear Starship Troopers 2 was horrible. The same can be said for Transformers Revenge Of The Fallen.

Dolf Lundgren was 400% better as Heman in that movie then Wayanes was as Ripcord...in fact Jean CLaude Van Damme was better as Guile then Wayanes was as Ripcord...just syain lol...

The only issues i had with that live action heman movie was 1) Jack palance as Skeletor, his costume was horrid, Beastman was stupid and that Snarf guy willow wizard guy and the whole music conenction crapola...rest of the show was awesome!

If this was done sooner, Louais Gossett Jr. would have made a great Ripcord/static line...especially after his part in Iron Eagle...

[Steelgrave]

Dolf Lundgren was 400% better as Heman in that movie then Wayanes was as Ripcord...in fact Jean CLaude Van Damme was better as Guile then Wayanes was as Ripcord...just syain lol...


Wayans made me laugh & I loved every scene he was in. The others made me roll my eyes in disbelief. WTF(


At least Wayans can speak clearly.


"Dey call me nutsookow, da white wharrior" Remember that one from Van Dame? LMAO I'll never forget that line. What was it from? Bloodsport? Oh no, it was from Kickboxer.

[skinny]

I liked the first twenty minutes, after that... not so much. oh and I did like seeing Wayans get hit by a car, that was good. I rewound that scene a few times.
I havent liked Wayans since I saw him in Dungeons and Dragons.
but what does all this have to do with ROC being connected to Retaliation?
the plot thread of the POTUS will run through all three movies perhaps. Remember this was written as a trilogy.

[darthmaul1]

There are soooo many characters in gi joe they can afford to get rid of some and add others. For me just as long as Snake eyes, stormshadow, destro, cobra commander and zartan are in it i'm happy. I honestly don't know all the characters or their back grounds, but the color of a persons skin does not bother me, even in smallville pete ross is play by a black actor where he was white in the comic. it's not like they are making superman Scottish or batman Chinese, or the flash black.

[Crimson Rage]

I also think they should have tried to make Lady Jaye look more like Lady Jaye, you know, green outfit & short hair. But what they're giving us looks nothing like the character & there's nothing I can do about it. So whatever! I'll just take what I can get.

That's another thing that bothers me about the hypocrites: The Joes still look nothing like their classic counterparts and seem to be spending a lot of the film in mufti. Now I don't care, but it was a major bone of contention for ROC haters that nobody looked 'right', yet those same people now seem to be wetting themselves and giving it a free pass. Did you see the clip of Bruce Willis and start babbling "OHMYGOD JOE COLTON!"? I saw nothing that screamed he was that legendary character. That he doesn't look like him doesn't bother me, and for some reason it no longer seems to bother those who had an issue with the identification problem before. Like I said: "Hypocrisy".


"ROC was the worst movie I ever saw!" Oh really? Then I guess you haven't seen Masters Of The Universe, Howard The Duck or Johnny Mnemonic. Or Wing Commander. Or any of the X-Men movies. And I hear Starship Troopers 2 was horrible. The same can be said for Transformers Revenge Of The Fallen. Everybody shits on that one too but it's a million times better than any of those other movies I just listed.

Yes, I hate the "worst film I've ever seen" garbage too.... Utterly sad, knee-jerk bandwagon jumping that's borderline hysteria. One person says it for dramatic effect and the hive mind of the internet creates a 'truth' from it. My favourite movie critic Alan Jones, who loves sci-fi and horror, rated ROC highly (and he's not my favourite critic because he liked ROC - He shares my love of classic Italian horror and I've been reading his books for years). He's often very critical of mainstream films so I suspect that the "worst film ever made" would not have earned such kudos from him.

ROC haters who claim it's the worst movie ever really should watch "Nights of Terror", "Hell of the Living Dead", "Nightmare City" or, more 'mainstream', "Lifeforce". I can think of dozens, in addition to the ones Steelgrave mentioned. Starship Troopers 3 is worse than 2.

Originally Posted by CrimsonGuard101
Dolf Lundgren was 400% better as Heman in that movie then Wayanes was as Ripcord...in fact Jean CLaude Van Damme was better as Guile then Wayanes was as Ripcord...just syain lol...

Credibility undermined and argument negated in one fell swoop. If you did watch "Lifeforce" you'd probably say Steve Railsback gave a better performance than Marlon Wayons... That's my final word on the matter.

[hectordelgado]

"That's another thing that bothers me about the hypocrites: The Joes still look nothing like their classic counterparts and seem to be spending a lot of the film in mufti. Now I don't care, but it was a major bone of contention for ROC haters that nobody looked 'right', yet those same people now seem to be wetting themselves and giving it a free pass. Did you see the clip of Bruce Willis and start babbling "OHMYGOD JOE COLTON!"? I saw nothing that screamed he was that legendary character. That he doesn't look like him doesn't bother me, and for some reason it no longer seems to bother those who had an issue with the identification problem before. Like I said: "Hypocrisy"."

as you will see in future trailers the scene where all the joes are wearing the multi is just the beginning of the movie. as the movie progresses they end up having more unique style uniforms. flint ends up having a uniform colored to match his classic colors. they are only showing so much in this teaser so people will have things to be surprised about in the movie.

you can see roadblocks other uniform here http://cdn.hisstank.com/gi-joe-news/attach/1/GI-Joe-Retaliation-Trailer-041_1323788233.jpg

and eventually you will see the others just give it time this is only a teaser.

[drunknmunky]

as you will see in future trailers the scene where all the joes are wearing the multi is just the beginning of the movie. as the movie progresses they end up having more unique style uniforms. flint ends up having a uniform colored to match his classic colors. they are only showing so much in this teaser so people will have things to be surprised about in the movie.

you can see roadblocks other uniform here http://cdn.hisstank.com/gi-joe-news/attach/1/GI-Joe-Retaliation-Trailer-041_1323788233.jpg

and eventually you will see the others just give it time this is only a teaser.

Saying they will all have classic looks in the end of the film is all speculation though. Look at Roadblock's uniform in that picture. There is nothing classic about it. In fact, it looks pretty much like the reactive impact armor that everyone hated in RoC.

[Jim_Beutel]

Jesus fuckin' Christ......

OK, first off, I liked RoC. It was a good action movie, and I could eat popcorn to it. Did I have issues with the storyline, being a child of the 80's? Yes. I had issues with casting. I had issues with costuming. I also realize that the script was written during a writers' strike, so they made the best of what they could.

Retaliation will have elements from RoC in it. It has to, but that doesn't mean that it's gonna be ingrained, and at the forefront of the Retaliation story. I'd be surprised if it did more than touch on it. And I will be sad to see some characters not back, Scarlett for instance. I thought she had potential, if they didn't make her out to be more of a damsel in distress than an ass kicker that she should be.

Hasbro is going to keep a closer eye on this story, they flat out said as much at 2010 con. And it looks like the costumers and toy designers maybe collaborated a little on this one to make it better for the movie, and the toy line.

I so far like the dialogue that's been out there, especially Willis' "cholesterol" comment. I can absolutely see a grizzled veteran like Joe Colton saying something like that to lighten up a hairy situation. Seems very good military leader-ish to me.

Finally, I think we all need to keep in mind that this movie is aimed at an audience bigger than us. I think they're aiming at, oh, maybe the rest of the world too. RoC didn't make 300 million just from Joe fans. Others actually went to see it too (crazy, I know). Bringing the Rock in was brilliant - he has a huge following, and had cred as an action film star. Is he the perfect Roadblock, probably not. But he is going to put ASSES in SEATS, and some of those asses will then walk into toy stores, and buy GI Joe toys for themselves, their kids, or both. And that leads to more GI Joe product for us.

Go see the goddamn movie when it comes out. Like it, hate it, I don't give a fuck. Just support it, and buy some of the damn toys, so we can keep the line going.

[hectordelgado]

Saying they will all have classic looks in the end of the film is all speculation though. Look at Roadblock's uniform in that picture. There is nothing classic about it. In fact, it looks pretty much like the reactive impact armor that everyone hated in RoC.

When did I say I was speculating? Flint has another uniform and it's the same color theme as his original uniform. You don't have to take my word for it but you will see in time :)

[Troynos]

It is kind of bad that Scarlett isn't coming back.

She showed some kick-ass moments in RoC, and did have some damsel in distress elements. A continuation of her character in Retaliation could have shown how she evolved due to the events in RoC and became the ass-kicker we're used to.

[drunknmunky]

When did I say I was speculating? Flint has another uniform and it's the same color theme as his original uniform. You don't have to take my word for it but you will see in time :)

If you've got inside info somewhere then that's one thing but nobody has seen any if these images so as of now it's speculation. Like I said though, Roadblock still looks like a RoC character and nothing like any classic Roadblock.

[Beckley]

It is kind of bad that Scarlett isn't coming back.

She showed some kick-ass moments in RoC, and did have some damsel in distress elements. A continuation of her character in Retaliation could have shown how she evolved due to the events in RoC and became the ass-kicker we're used to.

Maybe she would have evolved into a good actress.

[ChaplainAsst]

This thread really makes no sense. You have two trailers and one movie that turned out to be not very good, and thus any time a movie has a good trailer, you are now skeptical? When you compare the common elements between the two movies, you find very few. And those that you do find you realize are not going to be the same and in fact have been changed to fit criticisms of the fans. New director, new leads (for the most part), new story, weapons that shoot bullets, Cobra is now the enemy not MARS, etc.

No one is expecting high art, but to say because A had a good trailer and B had a good trailer, and A wasn't that great, then B must be not great is really poor Algebra. These ain't ratios!

[starbuck]

Jesus fuckin' Christ......

OK, first off, I liked RoC. It was a good action movie, and I could eat popcorn to it. Did I have issues with the storyline, being a child of the 80's? Yes. I had issues with casting. I had issues with costuming. I also realize that the script was written during a writers' strike, so they made the best of what they could.

Retaliation will have elements from RoC in it. It has to, but that doesn't mean that it's gonna be ingrained, and at the forefront of the Retaliation story. I'd be surprised if it did more than touch on it. And I will be sad to see some characters not back, Scarlett for instance. I thought she had potential, if they didn't make her out to be more of a damsel in distress than an ass kicker that she should be.

Hasbro is going to keep a closer eye on this story, they flat out said as much at 2010 con. And it looks like the costumers and toy designers maybe collaborated a little on this one to make it better for the movie, and the toy line.

I so far like the dialogue that's been out there, especially Willis' "cholesterol" comment. I can absolutely see a grizzled veteran like Joe Colton saying something like that to lighten up a hairy situation. Seems very good military leader-ish to me.

Finally, I think we all need to keep in mind that this movie is aimed at an audience bigger than us. I think they're aiming at, oh, maybe the rest of the world too. RoC didn't make 300 million just from Joe fans. Others actually went to see it too (crazy, I know). Bringing the Rock in was brilliant - he has a huge following, and had cred as an action film star. Is he the perfect Roadblock, probably not. But he is going to put ASSES in SEATS, and some of those asses will then walk into toy stores, and buy GI Joe toys for themselves, their kids, or both. And that leads to more GI Joe product for us.

Go see the goddamn movie when it comes out. Like it, hate it, I don't give a fuck. Just support it, and buy some of the damn toys, so we can keep the line going.

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[vadersquest]

Jesus fuckin' Christ......

OK, first off, I liked RoC. It was a good action movie, and I could eat popcorn to it. Did I have issues with the storyline, being a child of the 80's? Yes. I had issues with casting. I had issues with costuming. I also realize that the script was written during a writers' strike, so they made the best of what they could.

Retaliation will have elements from RoC in it. It has to, but that doesn't mean that it's gonna be ingrained, and at the forefront of the Retaliation story. I'd be surprised if it did more than touch on it. And I will be sad to see some characters not back, Scarlett for instance. I thought she had potential, if they didn't make her out to be more of a damsel in distress than an ass kicker that she should be.

Hasbro is going to keep a closer eye on this story, they flat out said as much at 2010 con. And it looks like the costumers and toy designers maybe collaborated a little on this one to make it better for the movie, and the toy line.

I so far like the dialogue that's been out there, especially Willis' "cholesterol" comment. I can absolutely see a grizzled veteran like Joe Colton saying something like that to lighten up a hairy situation. Seems very good military leader-ish to me.

Finally, I think we all need to keep in mind that this movie is aimed at an audience bigger than us. I think they're aiming at, oh, maybe the rest of the world too. RoC didn't make 300 million just from Joe fans. Others actually went to see it too (crazy, I know). Bringing the Rock in was brilliant - he has a huge following, and had cred as an action film star. Is he the perfect Roadblock, probably not. But he is going to put ASSES in SEATS, and some of those asses will then walk into toy stores, and buy GI Joe toys for themselves, their kids, or both. And that leads to more GI Joe product for us.

Go see the goddamn movie when it comes out. Like it, hate it, I don't give a fuck. Just support it, and buy some of the damn toys, so we can keep the line going.
Very well said!!

[Troynos]

Very well said!!

No one cares what you think.

[hectordelgado]

If you've got inside info somewhere then that's one thing but nobody has seen any if these images so as of now it's speculation. Like I said though, Roadblock still looks like a RoC character and nothing like any classic Roadblock.

i wouldn't call myself an "insider" but i have been lucky enough to have a few tid bits shared with me here and there. i think in real life orange pants would just look silly..... but that's just my opinion... this part is just pure speculation on my part but i think they were inspired by the color scheme of the devils due roadblock which had black top and green pants in the beginning of the series.

[kneroh]

Jesus fuckin' Christ......

OK, first off, I liked RoC. It was a good action movie, and I could eat popcorn to it. Did I have issues with the storyline, being a child of the 80's? Yes. I had issues with casting. I had issues with costuming. I also realize that the script was written during a writers' strike, so they made the best of what they could.

Retaliation will have elements from RoC in it. It has to, but that doesn't mean that it's gonna be ingrained, and at the forefront of the Retaliation story. I'd be surprised if it did more than touch on it. And I will be sad to see some characters not back, Scarlett for instance. I thought she had potential, if they didn't make her out to be more of a damsel in distress than an ass kicker that she should be.

Hasbro is going to keep a closer eye on this story, they flat out said as much at 2010 con. And it looks like the costumers and toy designers maybe collaborated a little on this one to make it better for the movie, and the toy line.

I so far like the dialogue that's been out there, especially Willis' "cholesterol" comment. I can absolutely see a grizzled veteran like Joe Colton saying something like that to lighten up a hairy situation. Seems very good military leader-ish to me.

Finally, I think we all need to keep in mind that this movie is aimed at an audience bigger than us. I think they're aiming at, oh, maybe the rest of the world too. RoC didn't make 300 million just from Joe fans. Others actually went to see it too (crazy, I know). Bringing the Rock in was brilliant - he has a huge following, and had cred as an action film star. Is he the perfect Roadblock, probably not. But he is going to put ASSES in SEATS, and some of those asses will then walk into toy stores, and buy GI Joe toys for themselves, their kids, or both. And that leads to more GI Joe product for us.

Go see the goddamn movie when it comes out. Like it, hate it, I don't give a fuck. Just support it, and buy some of the damn toys, so we can keep the line going.

Awesome!

[hectordelgado]

Jesus fuckin' Christ......

OK, first off, I liked RoC. It was a good action movie, and I could eat popcorn to it. Did I have issues with the storyline, being a child of the 80's? Yes. I had issues with casting. I had issues with costuming. I also realize that the script was written during a writers' strike, so they made the best of what they could.

Retaliation will have elements from RoC in it. It has to, but that doesn't mean that it's gonna be ingrained, and at the forefront of the Retaliation story. I'd be surprised if it did more than touch on it. And I will be sad to see some characters not back, Scarlett for instance. I thought she had potential, if they didn't make her out to be more of a damsel in distress than an ass kicker that she should be.

Hasbro is going to keep a closer eye on this story, they flat out said as much at 2010 con. And it looks like the costumers and toy designers maybe collaborated a little on this one to make it better for the movie, and the toy line.

I so far like the dialogue that's been out there, especially Willis' "cholesterol" comment. I can absolutely see a grizzled veteran like Joe Colton saying something like that to lighten up a hairy situation. Seems very good military leader-ish to me.

Finally, I think we all need to keep in mind that this movie is aimed at an audience bigger than us. I think they're aiming at, oh, maybe the rest of the world too. RoC didn't make 300 million just from Joe fans. Others actually went to see it too (crazy, I know). Bringing the Rock in was brilliant - he has a huge following, and had cred as an action film star. Is he the perfect Roadblock, probably not. But he is going to put ASSES in SEATS, and some of those asses will then walk into toy stores, and buy GI Joe toys for themselves, their kids, or both. And that leads to more GI Joe product for us.

Go see the goddamn movie when it comes out. Like it, hate it, I don't give a fuck. Just support it, and buy some of the damn toys, so we can keep the line going.

couldn't agree more! the rock may not be the ideal roadblock but him and bruce willis being in this movie has created so much buzz. i mean shit the gi joe trailer is the #1 video on youtube. how awesome is that? and is also the #1 trailer right now.

[A.V.A.C.]

This convo's been Beutel'd. Big ups Jim!

[xSwamiJayx]

Junky, what's your endgame on this? From what I can tell, it bothers you that people are excited for a sequel to a film that they didn't love so much? Despite the fact that ey are fans of the franchise and have every right to be excited for what's coming based on a really good trailer?

That's the impression that I get. And if that's right... That is fucking moronic.

[blayze5150]

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[Gyre-Viper]

25 pages and counting

[sharky]

If I read "popcorn" as a way to describe a movie one more time, I'm gonna...






...do absolutely nothing. Well, it's not like I can do anything about it, c'mon. What'd you expect? :D

[drunknmunky]

Junky, what's your endgame on this? From what I can tell, it bothers you that people are excited for a sequel to a film that they didn't love so much? Despite the fact that ey are fans of the franchise and have every right to be excited for what's coming based on a really good trailer?

That's the impression that I get. And if that's right... That is fucking moronic.

I agree with drunknmunky. Everybody is excited over Retaliation now but as soon as the new canon they established for ROC comes out they're all going to bitch & moan. The Baroness is still Cobra Commanders sister. Zartan still transforms his face using Nano-Mites. Storm Shadow is still alive thanks to the Nano-Mites. The Eiffel Tower is probably still trashed. The Rock is so popular thanks to the Nano-Mites. Everything they hated from ROC is still there. It's a sequel, not a reboot. So stop trying to act like you don't understand what drunknmunky is trying to say.

This thread is a lot like RoC. With RoC it wasn't exactly what people wanted. The people that hated it were too damn stubborn to except that the movie was GI Joe, it just want EXACTLY the same as the Joe they grew up on. I'm giving you my opinion if why I think Retaliation will be very much like RoC. But people are too damned stubborn to open their eyes and actually pay attention. Go back and read what I've actually said in this thread. If you still don't get it then it's because you are so set in your ways that you refuse to listen to an opinion that's not the same as yours.

[Steelgrave]

25 pages and counting


I'm still trying to figure out why?????

[kneroh]

This thread is a lot like RoC. With RoC it wasn't exactly what people wanted. The people that hated it were too damn stubborn to except that the movie was GI Joe, it just want EXACTLY the same as the Joe they grew up on. I'm giving you my opinion if why I think Retaliation will be very much like RoC. But people are too damned stubborn to open their eyes and actually pay attention. Go back and read what I've actually said in this thread. If you still don't get it then it's because you are so set in your ways that you refuse to listen to an opinion that's not the same as yours.

Go back and read what many others have said in this thread. If you still don't get it then it's because you are so set in your ways that you refuse to listen to an opinion that's not the same as yours.

[drunknmunky]

Go back and read what many others have said in this thread. If you still don't get it then it's because you are so set in your ways that you refuse to listen to an opinion that's not the same as yours.

I understand what people are saying, that's the difference. Like I said before Bruce Willis and The Rock aren't going to make this movie some great masterpiece. It will still have the backstory everyone seemed to hate, still have cheesy dialogue (the cholesterol reference for example), still doesn't look exactly like the 80s cartoons or figures. It's still gonna be an action packed ” popcorn movie”. RoC was extremely successful, best August movie ever. You really think they'll change the formula because some Joe fans hated it? 300+ million dollars. That's what they want. They want something that the majority of people will see, not just something to please a few Joe fans. They want money. That's what RoC gave them. Why would Retaliation be different?