GIJCC FSS Figure Reveal Covergirl

[Zefram]

If what you see isn't good enough for you, fine, but the level of nit picking (her hair is the wrong shade of blonde/brown/red!!!!) is just kind of ridiculous.

Actually, it's the same level of self-entitlement I've grown depressingly used to on toy forums.

HISSTANK!

We ask the impossible, and you damn well better do it for less money!

[Unclassified]

shhhhh!!!!

[ero]

I'm completely impressed that you can pull that list up almost out of nowhere. That's dedication.

If I tried to answer that same question, I'd have to sit down with a complete list of figures and probably even have to go back and look them all over again.

Way to go! :D

I had to cheat at the end (you can tell with the comic packs). Thanks, GeneralsJoes.com!

I love the 25th, and I appreciate the new approach of PoC and the 30th, much of which I have purchased. I just don't think it's too much to ask that when presented with the dedicated slots, we get faithful renditions of ARAH favorites. I don't think it's the only thing we should get, and I don't think we should only get it at retail. But, as stated, the sub will likely cost $300 (I understand the economics -- I'm not arguing the cost) and for fans of true ARAH-style figures, we have to consider that we're spending that amount to get a mealy-mouthed Cover Girl and (maybe a faithful) Big Boa. So nitpicking these figures seems fair.

And really, what are we all doing here if we can't talk these things to death? I mean, the customs hash that Zef derided is a fair criticism. But people expressing their opinion about how poorly conceived what should be the crown jewel of the sub is should not be treated this way.

[Unclassified]

i hate the poc ig because of you, and for what he had done..

[gunslingercbr]

all this whining about Cover Girl's hair is detracting from how awful Barrel Roll and Sure Fire look, which are far greater atrocities.

[ero]

So in other words, you like pretty much every single 25th figure, no matter how far off they were from their ARAH counterpart, and yet this Cover Girl is somehow not up to snuff?


What are you talking about? What figures on that 25th list are not solid representations of the original?


I don't have a problem with people pointing out details that they don't like (heck, I mention in this thread that I think the head sits too low), my problem comes form people that are saying that this is a terrible figure, or that they are shocked that it doesn't have a new head, or that it doesn't match the original.
Nothing about this figure should have shocked anyone. If what you see isn't good enough for you, fine, but the level of nit picking (her hair is the wrong shade of blonde/brown/red!!!!) is just kind of ridiculous.

I fully expected a new head. They said they were tooling new heads. You'd think somebody like Cover Girl would get a new head, and one that more closely resembled her ARAH figure (read: a short head of hair).

So you conceded that you quibble over head placement, but you're knocking the rest of us for having a problem with minor elements? Admitting to it doesn't make it any better.

It wouldn't be unreasonable if we were talking about Hasbro. When they charge $14.99 for and SDCC figure we understand that it has everything to do with limited production runs and nothing to do with higher quality. Why would the teeny, tiny Joe club charging $20-$25 be a surprise?

Brother, if you're speaking to me, I can't say it enough: I understand the price. I get it! It's still $25 out of my pocket, and thus, I'm going to assess the situation more closely than the $2 Pilot Scarlett at Big Lots.

[MJjoe4life]

i love reading these posts. lol helps me get thru the day at the VA Medical Center.

[ero]

the day at the VA Medical Center.

Aaaaaaand suddenly a heaping dose of perspective.

Many thanks.

[Black Llama]

all this whining about Cover Girl's hair is detracting from how awful Barrel Roll and Sure Fire look, which are far greater atrocities.

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Agreed!

[ero]

all this whining about Cover Girl's hair is detracting from how awful Barrel Roll and Sure Fire look, which are far greater atrocities.

*says very quietly*

I kinda like that Barrel Roll.

[joker7908]

i love reading these posts. lol helps me get thru the day at the VA Medical Center.

That's exactly what i'm doing. Laughing at these post helping the day go by at my hospital in Mississippi lol. That's hilarious. What better way to make the day go by then run lab specimens and laugh and the differences in people's opinions.

[joker7908]

where did everyone go? lol

[Roshan]

where did everyone go? lol
since it's for entertainment purposes, ok, I'll jump in.

But for what I'm paying, I shouldn't have to fix anything.


So what you're assuming you're going to get for the money is a figure made specifically for you. Either that or you are arrogant enough to assume everyone else has your same expectations of exactly how the figure should look.

[joker7908]

On a more serious note...and since I'm bored...I actually like Cover Girl. I was more dissapointed with Jinx, but the kinda update on her looks pretty cool. I just really hope that Big Boa looks as close to the original as possible. That will be what determines if I buy. That was my favorite character as a kid. I'll probably sell off half the other figures if I get it.

[joker7908]

Course the cost is still another factor...for everyone I suppose

[Roshan]

Course the cost is still another factor...for everyone I suppose

Nope. Not everyone. I don't put myself in that camp. But it's just a reality that there are those with a large disposable income who would drop the money without thinking about it at all. Not many, but there are those who would.

[joker7908]

Nope. Not everyone. I don't put myself in that camp. But it's just a reality that there are those with a large disposable income who would drop the money without thinking about it at all. Not many, but there are those who would.

The price won't sway you either way. Get it or don't get it?

[Derek]

So instead of getting a $0.99 paintbrush and fixing it, you're just going to cry about how the Club didn't give you exactly what you wanted?

It's posts like this I find so amusing when people here get angry over toy-collectors being called immature by mainstream society.

It makes more sence to fix a mass released figure that cost lower than this. Most people don't even want the whole set.

[Nirvana]

So don't bloody buy it.

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[RolandofGilead]

On a more serious note...and since I'm bored...I actually like Cover Girl. I was more dissapointed with Jinx, but the kinda update on her looks pretty cool. I just really hope that Big Boa looks as close to the original as possible. That will be what determines if I buy. That was my favorite character as a kid. I'll probably sell off half the other figures if I get it.


I had Big Boa as a kid. He was one of the last few Joes I ever bought so maybe that's why I don't get this special connection everyone seems to have. To me, he really didn't fit in well with what my Cobras did on a daily basis. I couldn't accept the idea that in the middle of a heated battle (and all I ever had were battles, there was not much time for character development, or reflection in my Joe 'verse) all sides would part and Big Boa would come striding up the center to punch Hawk in the nose.

Just didn't work.

Then again, I love Techno Viper, but he usually hung out in the Terror Drome fixing broken down HISS tanks while everyone else was away fighting.

[ero]

Then again, I love Techno Viper, but he usually hung out in the Terror Drome fixing broken down HISS tanks while everyone else was away fighting.

And you're getting an awfully nice Techno-Viper update -- and at retail cost. Aren't you lucky? :)

[Roshan]

The price won't sway you either way. Get it or don't get it?

Yes, but it's still a factor. Because I have to watch my budget. But not everyone does. Sorry I was being contrary for contrary's sake. But you were asking for entertainment :D

[Unclassified]

where did everyone go? lol

it's my fault, the wrong ppl took my advice and went on vacation..

[joker7908]

I had Big Boa as a kid. He was one of the last few Joes I ever bought so maybe that's why I don't get this special connection everyone seems to have. To me, he really didn't fit in well with what my Cobras did on a daily basis. I couldn't accept the idea that in the middle of a heated battle (and all I ever had were battles, there was not much time for character development, or reflection in my Joe 'verse) all sides would part and Big Boa would come striding up the center to punch Hawk in the nose.

Just didn't work.

Then again, I love Techno Viper, but he usually hung out in the Terror Drome fixing broken down HISS tanks while everyone else was away fighting.

I don't think when I was 5 or 6 I thought too hard into the fact of what his "occupation or title" was in the joe verse. He was just a really cool looking bad guy with some cool boxing gloves to punch the good guys. The main thing was to me he looked really cool.

[joker7908]

Yes, but it's still a factor. Because I have to watch my budget. But not everyone does. Sorry I was being contrary for contrary's sake. But you were asking for entertainment :D

I got bored enough to slide into the conversation. Things are slow today. lol

[RolandofGilead]

And you're getting an awfully nice Techno-Viper update -- and at retail cost. Aren't you lucky? :)

I'm getting three. Now I just need to get that Terror Drome and make myself a Motor Pool for them to hang out in.

[Turtle Master]

If this came as a 25A figure it would be $6-8. And grats on finding where the hair color came from. The choice is no longer confusing, but still lame.

Is this the post you are waiting for?

[Unclassified]

I'm getting three. Now I just need to get that Terror Drome and make myself a Motor Pool for them to hang out in.

3 is such a small lonely number, i want 10 or more, i can't wait for that figure.

[joker7908]

come on people. Argue and bicker some more hehe. I don't understand why people get so sensitive about other peoples comments sometimes. I guess that's what some people have been trying to say.

[Unclassified]

I got bored enough to slide into the conversation. Things are slow today. lol

this is the hisstank.com, there is no conversing here. its my opinion or f you, you dirty rat, you're opinion sucks cause i said so..

conversing is for pm's..

[joker7908]

I wonder if there will be more 30th figures. There should huh?

[Unclassified]

i rather 25th, personally..

[zedhatch]

My argument was that the $20-$25 price tag has little to nothing to do with the quality of the figure, but with the actual costs of producing one in such a small quantity.

I understand your arguement, but it looses alot of steam when you consider that the club used to defend the riseing costs of the con sets on the fact that they had higher quality (This was said around with the renegades in 2006 I know, I believe it was said in 2004 or 2003 as well).

This is the problem with most of thier arguements is that they end up running counter to previous arguements and the club looks like it's lying to cover it's butt. I'm not saying they are or they are not, I am just saying that they give off that appearence.

But what I really don't like on CG is that she is almost a straight repaint of Sparta (There really isn't that much difference) and the jacket looks alot like the one that the comic pack new sculpt wore. I really don't see the quality here and I honeslty feel she is a cheaply done figure for an inflated price.

[Zefram]

I mean, the customs hash that Zef derided is a fair criticism. But people expressing their opinion about how poorly conceived what should be the crown jewel of the sub is should not be treated this way.

I can understand people not liking it on its own merits, and I can even give them a pass for not liking it because it's not up to the current standards we've grown used to with PoC and 30th (even though in all fairness it might be unreasonable to expect the club to consistently produce that).

It's when goobers start claiming that it's the worst piece of crap they've ever seen because the hair is a shade too light, or she didn't get a new headsculpt, as if the club has a team of sculptors on call, or that a $25 mass-produced item, however limited, should be better than a hand-crafted $50 one. That's doing a bit more of a disservice to the customizers here than Hasbro if you ask me.

For some reason Hisstank, like many internet forums, have become some kind of Olympic event in hyperbole, where an opinion is only worth voicing if it is as stupidly exxaggerated as possible, and right here is the gold-medal winner.

all this whining about Cover Girl's hair is detracting from how awful Barrel Roll and Sure Fire look, which are far greater atrocities.

Right now, 6-million Jews, 8-million Soviets and gypses, and probably more Africans than anybody ever gave a shit about enough to count, are collectively rolling in their graves.

Really, Gun. Atrocity? How about a dissapointment? How about aggrevation? How about a let-down? But an atrocity?

Somehow in your pursuit of pure logic you have somehow crossed over full-circle into a realm that Crim even managed to crawl out of. I wouldn't call what you just did to the English language an atrocity, but it was sure as hell a dissapointment.

Posts like this are the reason I wish I could get superpowers from my computer and a bolt of lightning. Become an avenger travelling through cyberspace and physically manifesting in the basements of GIFTs (look it up) everywhere, and savaely beating them with a fish as I laugh with maniacal glee.

Like the Creeper, but with a fish.

[Zefram]

I understand your arguement, but it looses alot of steam when you consider that the club used to defend the riseing costs of the con sets on the fact that they had higher quality (This was said around with the renegades in 2006 I know, I believe it was said in 2004 or 2003 as well).

When the club said that they had 20+ years of parts to sift through to make their exclusives. Now in switching to ME (which are the only ones that will sell out) they only have, what, four?

[ero]

or she didn't get a new headsculpt

The thing is, they said they were ponying up for new headsculpts. Not all figs, mind you. But if Topside could have one, then CG should have. I just don't understand the rationale behind it all.


Right now, 6-million Jews, 8-million Soviets and gypses, and probably more Africans than anybody ever gave a shit about enough to count, are collectively rolling in their graves.

You're to be commended. Gypsies usually don't come up when the Holocaust is mentioned.

[Roshan]

For some reason Hisstank, like many internet forums, have become some kind of Olympic event in hyperbole, and right here is the gold-medal winner.


You mean your own post? Sometimes you need to take a look at yourself in the mirror with the righteous indignation you heap upon other righteous indignation. I'm with you on a lot of points. But don't pretend you're any different than anyone else on here. Just more articulate in how you go about framing things.



You're to be commended. Gypsies usually don't come up when the Holocaust is mentioned.

I'd agree with that too.

[MJjoe4life]

That's exactly what i'm doing. Laughing at these post helping the day go by at my hospital in Mississippi lol. That's hilarious. What better way to make the day go by then run lab specimens and laugh and the differences in people's opinions.


Well i dont get to run lab specimans, i have to process claims for veterans all day long. It is hilarious to read all of these posts. I for one can not wait for the subscription to start. I hope the 13th figure ends up being something that all the haters really want and wish they had purchased the whole subscription lol.

[Unclassified]

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[Xenos]

What are you talking about? What figures on that 25th list are not solid representations of the original?

Cobra Officer -- Shouldn't have Kneepads, webgear was the wrong color
Stalker DVD pack -- Wrong cammo pattern, none of the Stalker figures got it right.
Iron Grenadier -- Body is completely wrong, no kneepads, no red straps on the legs.
Dusty -- Cammo is wrong
Torch single card -- no necklace.
Ripper comic pack -- Has the weird shoulder pad.
Range Viper -- Webgear is wrong, arms are a bit off
Alley Viper -- Legs aren't right (Brown?)
Zartan w chameleon -- Chest protector isn't quite right, Chameleon was a joke
Heavy Metal -- Legs are way off, why didn't he get a new head?
Tripwire -- Why does he have a quilted look to his chest? Why does he have pads on his arms and legs?
Buzzer -- again, why the shoulder pad? He doesn't have the leg pads.
Gung-Ho -- His mustache is wrong. His head works better for Leatherneck, IMO.
Scrap Iron comic pack -- Why is he all scarred up, and where are the cool little dart things on his legs?
Red Star -- Color is completely different, he doesn't have the striped shirt or the cammo.
Wild Weasel -- No scarf
A.V.A.C. -- Body is obviously not based on the original figure.

And that's without even looking at Yojoe. Now, I love most of these figures too, but to say that someone like the Iron Grenadier, Red Star, or Heavy Metal is somehow closer to the original then this Cover Girl is just silly.


I fully expected a new head. They said they were tooling new heads. You'd think somebody like Cover Girl would get a new head, and one that more closely resembled her ARAH figure (read: a short head of hair).

So you conceded that you quibble over head placement, but you're knocking the rest of us for having a problem with minor elements? Admitting to it doesn't make it any better.

The difference is that I'm not coming off sounding like this is a terrible attempt at a Cover Girl figure. It's actually quite accurate. The hair is too long and possibly the wrong color, there are no green stripes on the boots, and she doesn't have that little computer thing. If these types of issues really bother you, then I don't see any way you could like the Iron Grenadier.

[MJjoe4life]

[QUOTE=ero;3045658]The thing is, they said they were ponying up for new headsculpts. Not all figs, mind you. But if Topside could have one, then CG should have. I just don't understand the rationale behind it all.

Y give CG a new head when they already have a head for her. She didnt need a new head. The tooling already existed.

[Unclassified]

who needs a mirror? i'll post it..

[Unclassified]

yup
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[Xenos]

Right now, 6-million Jews, 8-million Soviets and gypses, and probably more Africans than anybody ever gave a shit about enough to count, are collectively rolling in their graves.

Really, Gun. Atrocity? How about a dissapointment? How about aggrevation? How about a let-down? But an atrocity?

Somehow in your pursuit of pure logic you have somehow crossed over full-circle into a realm that Crim even managed to crawl out of. I wouldn't call what you just did to the English language an atrocity, but it was sure as hell a dissapointment.

Posts like this are the reason I wish I could get superpowers from my computer and a bolt of lightning. Become an avenger travelling through cyberspace and physically manifesting in the basements of GIFTs (look it up) everywhere, and savaely beating them with a fish as I laugh with maniacal glee.

Like the Creeper, but with a fish.

I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic. I could be wrong.

[vapor]

for me this head works just fine, if the club was going to make a new head sculpt for anyone released so far, it should have been jinx, yes i know she has a new head but they should of killed two birds with one stone and had her come with a vintage style head as well to give her more versatility. then it would of been like getting two versions of jinx all at once.

i really like covergirl and i think out of all the figs released through the club so far that they nailed this one, there is no need for any changes on her.

[ero]

Cobra Officer -- Shouldn't have Kneepads, webgear was the wrong color
Stalker DVD pack -- Wrong cammo pattern, none of the Stalker figures got it right.
Iron Grenadier -- Body is completely wrong, no kneepads, no red straps on the legs.
Dusty -- Cammo is wrong
Torch single card -- no necklace.
Ripper comic pack -- Has the weird shoulder pad.
Range Viper -- Webgear is wrong, arms are a bit off
Alley Viper -- Legs aren't right (Brown?)
Zartan w chameleon -- Chest protector isn't quite right, Chameleon was a joke
Heavy Metal -- Legs are way off, why didn't he get a new head?
Tripwire -- Why does he have a quilted look to his chest? Why does he have pads on his arms and legs?
Buzzer -- again, why the shoulder pad? He doesn't have the leg pads.
Gung-Ho -- His mustache is wrong. His head works better for Leatherneck, IMO.
Scrap Iron comic pack -- Why is he all scarred up, and where are the cool little dart things on his legs?
Red Star -- Color is completely different, he doesn't have the striped shirt or the cammo.
Wild Weasel -- No scarf
A.V.A.C. -- Body is obviously not based on the original figure.

And that's without even looking at Yojoe. Now, I love most of these figures too, but to say that someone like the Iron Grenadier, Red Star, or Heavy Metal is somehow closer to the original then this Cover Girl is just silly.


I hastily threw that list together, so yes, I'll conceded some are farther off than others, with Red Star being the most evident. How great would it have been to get him as originally shown? Red Star ain't Red Star without the blue and white striped shirt.

However, I do think you are now quibbling to make your point about the details. Check out Facehammer's excellent Flickr stream comparing ARAH/25th.

Modern vs Vintage - a set on Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/facehammer/sets/72157626754307704/?page=2)

That to me is pretty much the test. If you put Club CG next to the ARAH version, how do they match up? Opinions are just that, BUT, I think there's a case to be made that they're pretty different in scope. As has been pointed out elsewhere, she looks closer to the DTC comic pack version or an IDW attempt.

I'm saying that CG is less of an ARAH-accurate update than Club Dial-Tone was, and most people disliked him.


The difference is that I'm not coming off sounding like this is a terrible attempt at a Cover Girl figure. It's actually quite accurate. The hair is too long and possibly the wrong color, there are no green stripes on the boots, and she doesn't have that little computer thing. If these types of issues really bother you, then I don't see any way you could like the Iron Grenadier.

I don't think I've been coming off like that. Maybe other guys have. Yes, if you want to go tool for tool, then most the 25th is wrong (although comparing sculpting then and now is kinda hard). I'm talking about capturing the essence of the figure. If you look at Monkey Wrench, he actually comes close in a lot of ways, but I think the consensus is that no, he's not a good ARAH update.

Y give CG a new head when they already have a head for her. She didnt need a new head. The tooling already existed.

Because never in the history of the universe has a figure had a new -- dare I say, better -- head tooled? And you realize that the Sparta head was retooled from the DTC figure? So from here on out, are you OK using heads that are 5+ in age on 30th and beyond?

[Zefram]

The thing is, they said they were ponying up for new headsculpts. Not all figs, mind you. But if Topside could have one, then CG should have. I just don't understand the rationale behind it all.

Is Topside's head totally brand new, though? Maybe by new they meant new to ME. Even Doctor Venom got a reused classic head (Liu Kang from the old Mortal Kombat line, amazingly enough).

In any case I don't think the newsculpt head looks bad, just the features are a bit soft, which honestly, I can forgive on a female fig.

You mean your own post? Sometimes you need to take a look at yourself in the mirror with the righteous indignation you heap upon other righteous indignation. I'm with you on a lot of points. But don't pretend you're any different than anyone else on here. Just more articulate in how you go about framing things.

I'm not the one referring to a toy being the wrong color by a word normally reserved for mass-genocide, sarcastic or not.

The difference between me and my victims is that they are making unreasonable demands of a toy company while I am asking human beings smart enough to boot up a computer and open a web browser to pull their heads out of their asses and use common sense, unless your argument is that that, in itself, is unreasonable, which even I am starting to question.

To address another point, yes, everyone has a right to an opinion, and even a right to voice their opinion, but guess what? Others have a right to challenge it, and the ones that can survive scrutiny become accepted by others. That's why freedom of speech works so well. Bad ideas get shoute down and cast off, while good ones become refined. Subject my opinions to scrutiny, and if the facts or logic they are based upon prove wrong, I may change them. People who don't want their opinions held up to analysis obviously don't have much confidence in them, and thus should not bother posting them in a public forum.

Thank you.

[Unclassified]

leave..

[ero]

Is Topside's head totally brand new, though?


Yes.

In any case I don't think the newsculpt head looks bad, just the features are a bit soft, which honestly, I can forgive on a female fig.

Sure, if it's Baroness number 832, but on a fan-demanded character like CG? And remember, last CG head we got was RoC CG. They should have given her the sculpt. I mean, she is a former model ... she deserves it. ;)

[Unclassified]

unwanted....

[Unclassified]

disliked

[Unclassified]

pm boxes are filling with pm's about you...

[Roshan]

Is Topside's head totally brand new, though? Maybe by new they meant new to ME. Even Doctor Venom got a reused classic head (Liu Kang from the old Mortal Kombat line, amazingly enough).

In any case I don't think the newsculpt head looks bad, just the features are a bit soft, which honestly, I can forgive on a female fig.



I'm not the one referring to a toy being the wrong color by a word normally reserved for mass-genocide, sarcastic or not.

The difference between me and my victims is that they are making unreasonable demands of a toy company while I am asking human beings smart enough to boot up a computer and open a web browser to pull their heads out of their asses and use common sense, unless your argument is that that, in itself, is unreasonable, which even I am starting to question.

To address another point, yes, everyone has a right to an opinion, and even a right to voice their opinion, but guess what? Others have a right to challenge it, and the ones that can survive scrutiny become accepted by others. That's why freedom of speech works so well. Bad ideas get shoute down and cast off, while good ones become refined. Subject my opinions to scrutiny, and if the facts or logic they are based upon prove wrong, I may change them. People who don't want their opinions held up to analysis obviously don't have much confidence in them, and thus should not bother posting them in a public forum.

Thank you.

I'm not talking about any of that. I'm talking about you using hyperbole in a completely fanboy idiotic way just as much as everyone else in a way in which you come off as if you're better than everyone else. I know I'm a dumbass who comes on here and argues about action figures just like everyone else regardless of what side you're on. I don't think you do.

When you make posts like this:

Posts like this are the reason I wish I could get superpowers from my computer and a bolt of lightning. Become an avenger travelling through cyberspace and physically manifesting in the basements of GIFTs (look it up) everywhere, and savaely beating them with a fish as I laugh with maniacal glee.

you are spouting off just as much hyperbole as the crap you are being so indignant about. Stop being a hypocrite about it. You get personally insulted by everyone else on here? That insults everyone else.

Lay off the righteous indignation. It makes everyone on your side of the argument cringe when you make a post.

[super curry max]

Glad i have the DTC comic pack Cover Girl. Looks a hell of a lot better than this figure.

[ero]

Do you see, Club? Do you see what you're doing to us?? You're tearing this community apart!!







Waiting to see if Llama thinks I need a smiley face here. ;)

[Unclassified]

unplug your computer, block the site, find a new forum..

[Unclassified]

wig out and get banned..

[Gyre-Viper]

All I know is I'm seeing a few nay-sayers who if you go back and look at the reveals for Sparta... are the ones clamoring for pretty much THIS EXACT FIGURE.

[Xenos]

That to me is pretty much the test. If you put Club CG next to the ARAH version, how do they match up? Opinions are just that, BUT, I think there's a case to be made that they're pretty different in scope. As has been pointed out elsewhere, she looks closer to the DTC comic pack version or an IDW attempt.

But my whole point in pointing out the problems with other figures is that in light of what has come before in the different ME lines, the only thing that you could really complain about on CG is that her hair is too long, and possibly the wrong color (even though there has really never been any consensus as to what her hair color should be). Her body is pretty much perfect.

I just don't see that as being pretty different in scope.

I'm saying that CG is less of an ARAH-accurate update than Club Dial-Tone was, and most people disliked him.

Dial Tone's chest and webgear was completely wrong, and a lot of people didn't like the head.
CG's hair is wrong, and some people seem to not like the head. Personally, I think it's a pretty good sculpt. I have Sparta, and I would say that her face is nicer then any of the 25th females.

I don't think I've been coming off like that. Maybe other guys have. Yes, if you want to go tool for tool, then most the 25th is wrong (although comparing sculpting then and now is kinda hard). I'm talking about capturing the essence of the figure. If you look at Monkey Wrench, he actually comes close in a lot of ways, but I think the consensus is that no, he's not a good ARAH update.

This is exactly what I'm talking about though...how is CG not capturing the essence of the figure? Does the wrong haircut automatically make it a lost cause?

[Zefram]

Sure, if it's Baroness number 832, but on a fan-demanded character like CG? And remember, last CG head we got was RoC CG. They should have given her the sculpt. I mean, she is a former model ... she deserves it. ;)

I'll give you that point. New head for Topside is strange, but I still maintain that the newsculpt head is "good enough", and probably wouldn't have been worth the cost to upgrade, even if, as you say, she deserves it (which I don't disagree with). I'd honestly rather they reused a head for Topside and knocked a doller or two off the price of the figs.

A lot of the decisions made in this line have been a bit questionable (to say the least), but I'm genuinely curious as to whether the club can learn from their mistakes now that they've had a chance to make a few.

I'm not talking about any of that. I'm talking about you using hyperbole in a completely fanboy idiotic way just as much as everyone else in a way in which you come off as if you're better than everyone else. I know I'm a dumbass who comes on here and argues about action figures just like everyone else regardless of what side you're on. I don't think you do.

When you make posts like this:

Posts like this are the reason I wish I could get superpowers from my computer and a bolt of lightning. Become an avenger travelling through cyberspace and physically manifesting in the basements of GIFTs (look it up) everywhere, and savaely beating them with a fish as I laugh with maniacal glee.

you are spouting off just as much hyperbole as the crap you are being so indignant about. Stop being a hypocrite about it. You get personally insulted by everyone else on here? That insults everyone else.

No, that wasn't hyperbole. I honestly and truly wish I had superpowers to beat people with a fish. Is that so wrong?

Do you see, Club? Do you see what you're doing to us?? You're tearing this community apart!!

I think this community would tear itself apart over a cheese sandwich. :)

[ero]

All I know is I'm seeing a few nay-sayers who if you go back and look at the reveals for Sparta... are the ones clamoring for pretty much THIS EXACT FIGURE.

Oh God. Please tell me I'm not one of them.

But my whole point in pointing out the problems with other figures is that in light of what has come before in the different ME lines, the only thing that you could really complain about on CG is that her hair is too long, and possibly the wrong color (even though there has really never been any consensus as to what her hair color should be). Her body is pretty much perfect.

I just don't see that as being pretty different in scope.

Dial Tone's chest and webgear was completely wrong, and a lot of people didn't like the head.
CG's hair is wrong, and some people seem to not like the head. Personally, I think it's a pretty good sculpt. I have Sparta, and I would say that her face is nicer then any of the 25th females.

This is exactly what I'm talking about though...how is CG not capturing the essence of the figure? Does the wrong haircut automatically make it a lost cause?

I'm not gonna go on and on with you. If you want to lump me with all the other bombast, fine, but I don't think I've tried to be mean-spirited or disrespectful. I don't like the figure, I think it looks like Club Sparta redux, not a CG v1 update. I've tried to say why. H'okay?

[Unclassified]

just man up and meet em in person..

[Unclassified]

but ya to chicken..

[ero]

I'll give you that point. New head for Topside is strange, but I still maintain that the newsculpt head is "good enough", and probably wouldn't have been worth the cost to upgrade, even if, as you say, she deserves it (which I don't disagree with). I'd honestly rather they reused a head for Topside and knocked a doller or two off the price of the figs.

I can actually understand why they gave Topside a new head. He'd really be lackluster if they use the already derided Rock N Roll head or something. So I understand the strategy. But I think when funs are limited, you have to NAIL Cover Girl (folks, please, behave). And for those that prefer her with the stylized, flowing locks, they can use the Sparta head.


I think this community would tear itself apart over a cheese sandwich. :)

Depends on the cheese: Velveeta (America!) or Gruyere (Commie)?

[Black Llama]

Do you see, Club? Do you see what you're doing to us?? You're tearing this community apart!!







Waiting to see if Llama thinks I need a smiley face here. ;)

Hmmmm. I would advocate devil horns over the smiley face.

\m/

[Black Llama]

I know I'm a dumbass who comes on her

Roshan! How dirty.....

No, that wasn't hyperbole. I honestly and truly wish I had superpowers to beat people with a fish. Is that so wrong?



I think this community would tear itself apart over a cheese sandwich. :)

I too would beat people with fish over cheese. This argument is infallible!

[alcoholic ewok]

All I know is I'm seeing a few nay-sayers who if you go back and look at the reveals for Sparta... are the ones clamoring for pretty much THIS EXACT FIGURE.

I'm just wondering if it will fit in a Wolverine.

[Xenos]

I'm not gonna go on and on with you. If you want to lump me with all the other bombast, fine, but I don't think I've tried to be mean-spirited or disrespectful. I don't like the figure, I think it looks like Club Sparta redux, not a CG v1 update. I've tried to say why. H'okay?
I'm not trying to lump you in with anyone, and I'm not trying to make you want CG or anything. If you don't like her, that's fine. I just think that everyone that is complaining about this figure is being a little unreasonable in light of almost every other ME figure.

The one thing I do with the club had done though, is make a new, shorter, hair piece for her. I think that would have gone a long way with a lot of people.

[Zefram]

I'm just wondering if it will fit in a Wolverine.

If someone has a vintage one and a RoC Scarlet they can find out, since the body is almost part for part the same, and post pics. I honestly should have gotton one months ago.

[Unclassified]

fish is a weapon, use your hands..

[skinny]

No, that wasn't hyperbole. I honestly and truly wish I had superpowers to beat people with a fish. Is that so wrong?


http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq286/BarryinStlouis/LewZealandmuppets.jpg

the job is taken

[SonOfMindbender]

When did we all become hairdressers? It's like people that want a Red Padded Grand Slam. Go into your sisters room, steal her red nail polish, and paint the damn pads red. You do know if the club gave us a Red Padded Grand slam half this board would say it wasn't red enough. My point, you don't have to like the figure, but for those of us who do not customize this is a nice upgrade compared to the 1983 version and will fit in nice with the 25th line. Now, how did you not see this coming with last years Sparta figure? You know there's no Santa Klaus right? Before you bash me...I bite :)

SoM

[Zefram]

The one thing I do with the club had done though, is make a new, shorter, hair piece for her. I think that would have gone a long way with a lot of people.

I find myself agreeing with this. I personally don't care, since I don't have Sparta and the chances of me getting one are roughly the same as me hitting the lottery, it doesn't make a different to me.

I wonder if some of the sour grapes ore from people who paid out the ass for Sparta.

http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq286/BarryinStlouis/LewZealandmuppets.jpg

the job is taken

I dare say, well played, good sir.

[Xenos]

When did we all become hairdressers? It's like people that want a Red Padded Grand Slam. Go into your sisters room, steal her red nail polish, and paint the damn pads red. You do know if the club gave us a Red Padded Grand slam half this board would say it wasn't red enough. My point, you don't have to like the figure, but for those of us who do not customize this is a nice upgrade compared to the 1983 version and will fit in nice with the 25th line. Now, how did you not see this coming with last years Sparta figure? You know there's no Santa Klaus right? Before you bash me...I bite :)

SoM

An even easier Red Pad Grand Slam, is to just swap heads with Flash!


Oh wait...

[SonOfMindbender]

an even easier red pad grand slam, is to just swap heads with flash!


Oh wait...

lmfo!!

[gunslingercbr]

An even easier Red Pad Grand Slam, is to just swap heads with Flash!


Oh wait...

flash's pads are a bit more orange.

[RolandofGilead]

Didn't the club say something about originally planning to give Sparta a jacket, but they ran out of money? I seem to recall so many posts saying that she would have been perfect if only she had a jacket.

Well...

http://www.gijoecon.com/fl2011/images11/sparta11.jpg

+ jacket=

http://awesometoyblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/GI-Joe-Club-Cover-Girl.bmp

[Roshan]

Didn't the club say something about originally planning to give Sparta a jacket, but they ran out of money? I seem to recall so many posts saying that she would have been perfect if only she had a jacket.

Well...

http://www.gijoecon.com/fl2011/images11/sparta11.jpg

+ jacket=

http://awesometoyblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/GI-Joe-Club-Cover-Girl.bmp

Yes, Wet Suit went over budget, so they had to cut corners elsewhere. But Wet Suit was well worth it.

[RolandofGilead]

I agree. But why was this version of Cover Girl pined for when we missed it, and apparently despised now that we're going to get her? I am very happy with this design.

As for the haircut, I seem to recall that the original Scarlett figure was short haired too. We had to pretend she had a ponytail. If we cared at all that was.

I just figured it was a limitation of toys back then that the female figures wore bob-cuts because they couldn't make them with long hair.

http://images.wikia.com/gijoe/images/2/2b/Scarlet_1982.jpg http://img3.classistatic.com/cps/po/110721/940r1/4565dnb_27.jpeg

[Xenos]

In all honesty I would love it if they made a red pad Grand Slam as long as he had an all new head.

[RolandofGilead]

I prefer Red Pad Grand Slam as I never owned the other. I was going to make my own, but figured the club was going to make it for me.

[Turtle Master]

Someone is asking for a zombie attack.

[Unclassified]

Someone is asking for a zombie attack.

like 75% of the tank is, by some you will be hung for asking such a question.. by others, they will tell you there is and never will be one..

[sbartek1974]

Can we move on to Big Boa please!!!!!!!!!

[Zefram]

fuck them. if they want anyone to care, they should get off their collective 14 million + asses and make a Barrel Roll or Sure Fire worth having rather than spending their days whining about machete wielding marauders, famine and hardships. boo f'ing hoo.

Okay, I'll give you that one. Good recovery. :)

Refuge in Audacity - Television Tropes & Idioms (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RefugeInAudacity)

Crosses the Line Twice - Television Tropes & Idioms (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CrossesTheLineTwice)

[CrimsonGuard101]

Better yet :0 We can sell Sparta now and get this one instead...in fact with the prices she sells for...I can almost buy an enitre other sub lol...great idea!

[Echo7Solo]

ok well I want this figure

[TheFallen]

Just to point out, considering there is so much discussion about the hair colour, in the MOTUC line the character of Teela has two distinctive looks. There is the vintage redhead and then there is the blonde barbarian. Same character, two extremely different looks.

Cover Girl is a model, is she not allowed to change her hairstyle and colour?

Did anyone complain in ARAH when Lowlight did it?

[joker7908]

Just to point out, considering there is so much discussion about the hair colour, in the MOTUC line the character of Teela has two distinctive looks. There is the vintage redhead and then there is the blonde barbarian. Same character, two extremely different looks.

Cover Girl is a model, is she not allowed to change her hairstyle and colour?

Did anyone complain in ARAH when Lowlight did it?

I agree with this. It actually seems more people liked the blonde one. I have the first one that came out with the red hair and like it since it's closer to the cartoon one. It's ironic that I actually kinda like this blonde cover girl and agree that girls in general change the look and color of their hair sometimes often. Length, color, style, whatever. I think the fact that she comes with the jacket is what really makes this figure a win to me.

[joker7908]

-dodges tomatoes-

[RolandofGilead]

Can you imagine if this place had existed in 1986 when they released the new version of Hawk with (gasp!) BROWN hair? We'd still be choosing up sides 15 years later.

[TheFallen]

Can you imagine if this place had existed in 1986 when they released the new version of Hawk with (gasp!) BROWN hair? We'd still be choosing up sides 15 years later.

How dare they not make him straight arm accurate?

That's it, I'm out!

[RANGER SMITTY]

How can I purchase this figure? Any idea how much they cost?

[Zefram]

How can I purchase this figure? Any idea how much they cost?

GI Joe Club's upcoming subscription service. Maybe $20 - $25 per fig for 12 figs, assuming you have membership in the club, which will run you another forty-some for the year.

[IceWolf]

looks good!

[Beckley]

looks good!

Conan O'Brien: "Looks Good!" - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0pbT9lVFag)

[IceWolf]

ummm ha..ha? I guess.

[thairestauranteur]

I hope an extra head comes included which will bear the MASS device mini series likeness where CG was first introduced. She clearly had blonde hair and blue eyes. I would finally like to see that.

Lets hope the final figure will be the baroness in her MASS device blue flight suit with yellow accents stripes along with her flight helmet from the Revenge of Cobra.

That would be delish!

[snakeeyes0217]

I hope an extra head comes included which will bear the MASS device mini series likeness where CG was first introduced. She clearly had blonde hair and blue eyes. I would finally like to see that.

Lets hope the final figure will be the baroness in her MASS device blue flight suit with yellow accents stripes along with her flight helmet from the Revenge of Cobra.

That would be delish!

Made that version of Cover Girl...
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u11/snakeeyes0217/customs/Cover_Girl_Toon/24.jpg

Have that Baroness in the works...

[JR0d28]

I hope an extra head comes included which will bear the MASS device mini series likeness where CG was first introduced. She clearly had blonde hair and blue eyes. I would finally like to see that.

Lets hope the final figure will be the baroness in her MASS device blue flight suit with yellow accents stripes along with her flight helmet from the Revenge of Cobra.

That would be delish!

Baroness was done in the color scheme for Wave 8.....Sad to say this version was too plain. If they wanted to do a good one shouldve retooled a blue from the 09 version

[ironknife]

Was hoping to see something more classic, with new tooling. More like this:
http://www.hisstank.com/forum/members/ryk-albums-joe+stuff-picture42460-cgcolor4b.jpghttp://www.hisstank.com/forum/members/ryk-albums-joe+stuff-picture40819-2-c3.jpg


But, again thanks to the club for that Cover Girl.

I to like that custom!!

[Falcone]

she was shown with short red hair in the cartoon

First she had long blonde, then short auburn, and lastly long auburn.

She is a model so you'd expect constantly changing hair color and styles. This figures is about what I expected. I wish she had the straps around the thighs, I'm annoyed she doesn't. I'm also not too fond of the strawberry blonde hair. Either go blonde or go auburn, trying to mix the two doesn't work for me. But overall I like this figure. Cover Girl is one of my favorite characters, and this figure is long over due.

[SkullBuster]

I to like that custom!!

Indeed. The work on the boots draws me in the most.


Actually, pretty much all of the ones shown in this thread are really nice. You guys should put together a Cover Girl customs shrine so the big boys can take notes.

[Kaboomskie]

Guys just for clarification, this figure (Cover Girl) will cost not more than $30 (on top of the paid subscription)?

I hope the price is not subject to change, or that would happen?

[Hellion42]

If this came as a 25A figure it would be $6-8. And grats on finding where the hair color came from. The choice is no longer confusing, but still lame.
You are really upset that Cover Girl's hair is not a "various shade of auburn" and for that the Club is lame?
Please point out where I said the club was lame.

Go on, I'll wait.
If this came as a 25A figure it would be $6-8. And grats on finding where the hair color came from. The choice is no longer confusing, but still lame.
Is this the post you are waiting for?

No. I asked you to point out where I said the club was lame. Good luck finding that, seeing as you put words in my mouth. Either that, or you completely misunderstood the sentence in question. Twice.

So what you're assuming you're going to get for the money is a figure made specifically for you. Either that or you are arrogant enough to assume everyone else has your same expectations of exactly how the figure should look.
You're right. It's totally unreasonable for me to suggest, let alone expect, that a long-awaited figure bear more than a passing resemblance to the predominant look of the character it's based on. While I rationalized to myself that this was a logical approach, I can now see that it was wholly and completely my selfishness that drove such thoughts. I hereby promise to never again question any decision made by the exalted Club, as It, in Its wisdom, so graciously provides for us out of the goodness of Its pure and selfless heart. I humbly apologize that my arrogant, entitled ways have led this thread, and by extension the whole of the 'Tank, down a dark and dangerous path. I can only hope and pray that my indiscretion leaves no permanent scars, and that this fine community can move past these dread moments and return to its halcyon days of yore, becoming once again the lustrous beacon of integrity that was once its calling card.

...is that enough hyperbole? Enough sarcasm? Every time I turn around, someone's upped the ante. http://s70.photobucket.com/albums/i116/hellion42/smilies/panic.gif

So anyway, I find it mildly puzzling that some of you assume that I took exception with this figure. Take a look, for those that can't be bothered with reading comprehension and/or retention (or for those that just skipped around in the thread and got poor secondhand info):

What I like about this figure:
- It's very obviously Cover Girl.
- The belt/pouch combo.
- The non-torpedo chest.

What I don't like about this figure:
- That head sculpt was pretty decent back in the day, but the ME recast looks terrible.
- The monocolor "jumpsuit" look.
- Hair color. Why?

I give it a solid meh.

That's not exception. At worst, it's indifferent. Yet somehow, voicing a complaint means that I hate the figure with venomous passion. Or that I'm upset. Or crying. Or not a REAL fan.

Somehow, not being 100% satisfied means I never had any intention of buying a subscription. Or shouldn't buy one. Or can't possibly be a club member.

Somehow, not being pleased with having to modify a figure to make it closer to the original means that I never thought of doing it in the first place. Or that I expect every figure to be made to my specifications.

Somehow, my opinion that more expensive figures should be held to higher standards means that I don't understand the cost concepts behind a limited production run. Or that I think they're too expensive. Or can't afford them.

Somehow, having an unfavorable or opposing opinion means that I should STFU and GTFO.

(Good luck with that last one.)

Obviously, I'm not alone in my experience. Indeed, many of the conclusions jumped to above were generalized statements, meant to pigeonhole as many people as possible. This kind of childish crap happens often, and happens everywhere... pretty much any time one party feels the need to place themselves in a position of superiority over another. And it's much easier to do so if the other party is villainized in the process. Exaggerate a little negativity here, infer (aka invent) some traits here, make some declarations based on the current mood of the mob, and voila! You've got someone you can easily knock down a peg, and feel good about yourself while doing it.

So, if anyone is still reading, I would like to apologize. I know better than to try and debate a point on the internet, since he who shouts the loudest wins and reasonable discourse is barely a rumor. I let the calls of "silence all dissent!" get under my skin, and the only things it accomplished were a hearty meal for the meta-complainers and professional message board overlords, and a headache on my part from all the eye-rolling and facepalming. So, yeah... my bad for feeding the trolls.

Oh, and Cover Girl's hair color is completely wrong. If you can rationalize it away, more power to ya. http://s70.photobucket.com/albums/i116/hellion42/smilies/wave.gif

[Hawkwinter]

^^^^^Awesome post ^^^^^

[Falcone]

Oh, and Cover Girl's hair color is completely wrong. If you can rationalize it away, more power to ya. http://s70.photobucket.com/albums/i116/hellion42/smilies/wave.gif

She's a woman, she changes her hair color. That's my rationalization. :)

[NeoDragonKnight]

bah every time I read someone say CG my mind automatically reads Crimson Guard and not Cover Girl :/

Anyways. I like this figure, its not perfect but its still one of the better ones in the Sub.

[gunslingercbr]

She's a woman, she changes her hair color. That's my rationalization. :)

It's a toy, as long as it looks good, fun and/or exciting is all I care about. Is that a rationalization?

[WildWeaselZ06]

Hellion42, well said. I've gotta admit, I like this figure. My personal opinion is the hair should be darker. But, I love redheads and auburn hair females. Never cared for blondes.

[snakeeyes0217]

I'm still not a fan of this Cover Girl, but as I was reading the latest Official Collector Club magazine last night, I noticed a comment that basically gives away the number of paid members of the club. I don't have it in front of me now, but on the inside cover one of the editors says, if every member of the club were to post 2 items on their new auction site, they would have 6,000 items in one day. That means, there are only 3,000 paid members of the club.

Having worked in the toy industry for many years, I was skeptical of the whole "small production run = $25 per figure argument." But if we base subscription orders around the membership number of 3,000, that means production numbers for these figures could be as little as 3,000 per figure. In terms of manufacturing in China, that number is almost not worthy of firing up the machines, hence the high price for each figure. This also explains why there is little/no new tooling for heads and other accessories. They can't afford them.

This isn't going to change my mind about these figures, but at least I have an idea why they aren't everything we were hoping for.

[Typhis]

They need to hurry up and reveal the price!!!

[ero]

Made that version of Cover Girl...
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u11/snakeeyes0217/customs/Cover_Girl_Toon/24.jpg

Still love this one.

Was hoping to see something more classic, with new tooling. More like this:
http://www.hisstank.com/forum/members/ryk-albums-joe+stuff-picture40819-2-c3.jpg

WHOA! Was this one posted yesterday? I don't remember seeing it. That's lovely. What's the recipe?

I'm still not a fan of this Cover Girl, but as I was reading the latest Official Collector Club magazine last night, I noticed a comment that basically gives away the number of paid members of the club. I don't have it in front of me now, but on the inside cover one of the editors says, if every member of the club were to post 2 items on their new auction site, they would have 6,000 items in one day. That means, there are only 3,000 paid members of the club.

Having worked in the toy industry for many years, I was skeptical of the whole "small production run = $25 per figure argument." But if we base subscription orders around the membership number of 3,000, that means production numbers for these figures could be as little as 3,000 per figure. In terms of manufacturing in China, that number is almost not worthy of firing up the machines, hence the high price for each figure. This also explains why there is little/no new tooling for heads and other accessories. They can't afford them.

This isn't going to change my mind about these figures, but at least I have an idea why they aren't everything we were hoping for.

Well stated. I'm still surprised if someone can argue against the pricing. The current model, the current situation, it makes sense. I would only add that the Club did say they were tooling heads (I don't think it was ever an expectation that they would tool 13 new heads) and they did do just that. Whether it should have gone to Cover Girl -- whether it could have even gone to Cover Girl -- is the question.

[Nirvana]

I'm still not a fan of this Cover Girl, but as I was reading the latest Official Collector Club magazine last night, I noticed a comment that basically gives away the number of paid members of the club. I don't have it in front of me now, but on the inside cover one of the editors says, if every member of the club were to post 2 items on their new auction site, they would have 6,000 items in one day. That means, there are only 3,000 paid members of the club.

They've posted that in the Editor column a couple of times now trying to drum up business for the MCAX. There are 3000 members between both Clubs (Joe & TF). If TF is considered far more popular and successful, then I would skew that it's closer to 1000 Joe members and 2000 TF members. Give or take a few hundred each way.

[Turtle Master]

Strawberry blonde, deep red, various shades of auburn...

Lame indeed.

[toy-nutz]

They've posted that in the Editor column a couple of times now trying to drum up business for the MCAX. There are 3000 members between both Clubs (Joe & TF). If TF is considered far more popular and successful, then I would skew that it's closer to 1000 Joe members and 2000 TF members. Give or take a few hundred each way.

At the Con they said that membership had doubled. I want to say it was close to 1200 at the time of the Con. TF had roughly double the Joe. It will be interesting to see production numbers for the Joe Con sets this year. They should go up, not by much though.

Michael

[ero]

Strawberry blonde, deep red, various shades of auburn...

Lame indeed.

You know, the hair color thing is weird to me. To me, it's the hair sculpt, the face in general (and that it's such an old head) and the overall approach. I know what's bothering me about her, and I think I've said it before, but she looks like a Club Sparta redux, not CG. Looking at her, it's all I can see. Maybe it's a mental block or whatever, but that's the hang up.

I will say, though, before Xenos jumps all over my shit (joke! :D), that I understand the irony here, as v1 Sparta was a v1 Cover Girl repaint.

[Xenos]

You know, the hair color thing is weird to me. To me, it's the hair sculpt, the face in general (and that it's such an old head) and the overall approach. I know what's bothering me about her, and I think I've said it before, but she looks like a Club Sparta redux, not CG. Looking at her, it's all I can see. Maybe it's a mental block or whatever, but that's the hang up.

I will say, though, before Xenos jumps all over my shit (joke! :D), that I understand the irony here, as v1 Sparta was a v1 Cover Girl repaint.

You SOB you better like this toy or I will come to your house and make you like it!!!!!

I can see the "Sparta redux" complaint. I probably won't have Sparta on display once I get this figure, and since it is really close to something we already have I can understand there not being a whole lot of excitement about the figure. I mean, I would say I'm more excited about Jinx then CG, even though she isn't the version of Jinx that I would have liked to have, but she is cool looking and something completely new to me since I never bothered to get the Resolute packs.

[Turtle Master]

You know, the hair color thing is weird to me. To me, it's the hair sculpt, the face in general (and that it's such an old head) and the overall approach. I know what's bothering me about her, and I think I've said it before, but she looks like a Club Sparta redux, not CG. Looking at her, it's all I can see. Maybe it's a mental block or whatever, but that's the hang up.

I will say, though, before Xenos jumps all over my shit (joke! :D), that I understand the irony here, as v1 Sparta was a v1 Cover Girl repaint.

I think it worked out poorly that Sparta came out first since it must have been the plan all along to use the same materials for Cover Girl.

I didn't realize people had an attachment to Sparta with brown hair and that deep red and shades of auburn made such a difference.

Seemed iinitially like some wanted red, some wanted blonde and the Club provided two hair choices for Cover Girl via Sparta but apparently neither one is good enough.

[ROC Solid Snake]

That face is horrible...

[RolandofGilead]

Was hoping to see something more classic, with new tooling. More like this:
http://www.hisstank.com/forum/members/ryk-albums-joe+stuff-picture42460-cgcolor4b.jpghttp://www.hisstank.com/forum/members/ryk-albums-joe+stuff-picture40819-2-c3.jpg
http://www.hisstank.com/forum/members/ryk-albums-joe+stuff-picture40820-cg-1.jpg

But, again thanks to the club for that Cover Girl.

I want one.

[ero]

I want one.

Aren't those nice? I'm one of those guys that likes the Scarlett parts, so I think this would be great. This one with the Pilot Scarlett head would have gotten the job done.

[Unclassified]

No. I asked you to point out where I said the club was lame. Good luck finding that, seeing as you put words in my mouth. Either that, or you completely misunderstood the sentence in question. Twice.


You're right. It's totally unreasonable for me to suggest, let alone expect, that a long-awaited figure bear more than a passing resemblance to the predominant look of the character it's based on. While I rationalized to myself that this was a logical approach, I can now see that it was wholly and completely my selfishness that drove such thoughts. I hereby promise to never again question any decision made by the exalted Club, as It, in Its wisdom, so graciously provides for us out of the goodness of Its pure and selfless heart. I humbly apologize that my arrogant, entitled ways have led this thread, and by extension the whole of the 'Tank, down a dark and dangerous path. I can only hope and pray that my indiscretion leaves no permanent scars, and that this fine community can move past these dread moments and return to its halcyon days of yore, becoming once again the lustrous beacon of integrity that was once its calling card.

...is that enough hyperbole? Enough sarcasm? Every time I turn around, someone's upped the ante. http://s70.photobucket.com/albums/i116/hellion42/smilies/panic.gif

So anyway, I find it mildly puzzling that some of you assume that I took exception with this figure. Take a look, for those that can't be bothered with reading comprehension and/or retention (or for those that just skipped around in the thread and got poor secondhand info):



That's not exception. At worst, it's indifferent. Yet somehow, voicing a complaint means that I hate the figure with venomous passion. Or that I'm upset. Or crying. Or not a REAL fan.

Somehow, not being 100% satisfied means I never had any intention of buying a subscription. Or shouldn't buy one. Or can't possibly be a club member.

Somehow, not being pleased with having to modify a figure to make it closer to the original means that I never thought of doing it in the first place. Or that I expect every figure to be made to my specifications.

Somehow, my opinion that more expensive figures should be held to higher standards means that I don't understand the cost concepts behind a limited production run. Or that I think they're too expensive. Or can't afford them.

Somehow, having an unfavorable or opposing opinion means that I should STFU and GTFO.

(Good luck with that last one.)

Obviously, I'm not alone in my experience. Indeed, many of the conclusions jumped to above were generalized statements, meant to pigeonhole as many people as possible. This kind of childish crap happens often, and happens everywhere... pretty much any time one party feels the need to place themselves in a position of superiority over another. And it's much easier to do so if the other party is villainized in the process. Exaggerate a little negativity here, infer (aka invent) some traits here, make some declarations based on the current mood of the mob, and voila! You've got someone you can easily knock down a peg, and feel good about yourself while doing it.

So, if anyone is still reading, I would like to apologize. I know better than to try and debate a point on the internet, since he who shouts the loudest wins and reasonable discourse is barely a rumor. I let the calls of "silence all dissent!" get under my skin, and the only things it accomplished were a hearty meal for the meta-complainers and professional message board overlords, and a headache on my part from all the eye-rolling and facepalming. So, yeah... my bad for feeding the trolls.

Oh, and Cover Girl's hair color is completely wrong. If you can rationalize it away, more power to ya. http://s70.photobucket.com/albums/i116/hellion42/smilies/wave.gif

matt, well said, if no one respects this post, then fuck em.
i for one am happy with this figure, but that don't make me wanna jump down your throat for you having a disagreement on the figure and what you would like it to be, (not that i disagree with you on that, because i too would love a more accurate figure) but i am very content with what they have offered us compared to the other figures and to nothing at all.

you are a top shelf character, and all i can say is, don't let what ppl say in their posts bother you.

[GI abe444]

Now this I like ! I 've seen people on the Tank that have done a lot better on Covergirl. But this will have to do lol

[VideoViper]

Some people complain about her, but its an OK figure, but if I get the subscription This is the figure people will pay for, & since I'm OK with the ROC version, This Covergirl will likely be on my BST list or ebay to cover the cost of the sub.

[Falcone]

It's a toy, as long as it looks good, fun and/or exciting is all I care about. Is that a rationalization?

It is if you aren't a crazy toy collector who thinks of Cover Girl as a real person (ie me).

[TheFallen]

At the Con they said that membership had doubled. I want to say it was close to 1200 at the time of the Con. TF had roughly double the Joe. It will be interesting to see production numbers for the Joe Con sets this year. They should go up, not by much though.

Michael

They need to drop the price of International memberships. $88 is taken for the ass

[Roshan]

It is if you aren't a crazy toy collector who thinks of Cover Girl as a real person (ie me).

And real people always have the same hair color. Especially girls.

[snakeeyes0217]

There are 3000 members between both Clubs (Joe & TF). If TF is considered far more popular and successful, then I would skew that it's closer to 1000 Joe members and 2000 TF members. Give or take a few hundred each way.

Eh, gads! That's pitiful. The official joe fanclub should have way more members. Just think about the number of guys who are members here at the 'Tank. Somebody is not reaching their target demographic effectively.

[Roshan]

Eh, gads! That's pitiful. The official joe fanclub should have way more members. Just think about the number of guys who are members here at the 'Tank. Somebody is not reaching their target demographic effectively.

Ask tank members to pay $40 a year for the site and one figure and see how many members the tank will have the next week. That's a horrible comparison.

[SonOfMindbender]

Ask tank members to pay $40 a year for the site and one figure and see how many members the tank will have the next week. That's a horrible comparison.

Yes, but it's my dues that I pay ($42.00 per year) that help us get cool things like a Sub Service and Yearly Figures. I'm happy to pay as long as it keeps Joe alive! the club is starting to be a little more than just give me $42.00 and all you get is a figure. This year has had some pretty cools deals.

[gunslingercbr]

Ask tank members to pay $40 a year for the site and one figure and see how many members the tank will have the next week. That's a horrible comparison.
he wasn't making a comparison, he was saying that hisstank members are the most likely demographic that the Club should be targeting -- the hard core G.I. Joe fan that spends time online discussing it. there are 19,000 hisstank members, that means if there are are 1200 Club members, the Club is appealing to only 6% of the members. that's not very good.

now, not all 19,000 are probably the hard core collectors that some are, but you would have to think more than 1,200 are.

[Roshan]

Yes, but it's my dues that I pay ($42.00 per year) that help us get cool things like a Sub Service and Yearly Figures. I'm happy to pay as long as it keeps Joe alive! the club is starting to be a little more than just give me $42.00 and all you get is a figure. This year has had some pretty cools deals.

So am I and a lot of people on here. That's not what I was saying. I was saying you can't compare the member pop of the tank to the member numbers of the club because there's $40+ dollars to belong to one and free for the other.

[Roshan]

now, not all 19,000 are probably the hard core collectors that some are, but you would have to think more than 1,200 are.

and not all 19,000 are even current members. Current active members and lurkers are probably closer to 10,000.

Of those 10,000, the majority of those are cheap. That's just the way things are in this community, joe collectors in general are cheaper than Star Wars, Transformers and He-Man collectors. There's nothing wrong with that, but that's another reason why, there aren't as many people interested in $40 for a yearly subscription for just a figure and a newsletter that has month old news, let alone a $50 per month for six month subscription.

[gunslingercbr]

and not all 19,000 are even current members. Current active members and lurkers are probably closer to 10,000.

Of those 10,000, the majority of those are cheap. That's just the way things are in this community, joe collectors in general are cheaper than Star Wars, Transformers and He-Man collectors. There's nothing wrong with that, but that's another reason why, there aren't as many people interested in $40 for a yearly subscription for just a figure and a newsletter that has month old news, let alone a $50 per month for six month subscription.

I'm with you, but that kind of leads into his point. how many hardcore G.I. Joe fans are there? gotta be more than 1200 to keep the line as barely alive as it is. so how come the Club only appeals to so few of them?

we may be cheap, but we aren't that cheap if the value is there. so, that is kind of what he is leading into -- what the Club produces isn't of value to the majority of collectors, so that is a problem with the Club not the potential market. the Subscription is a step in the right direction to altering that.

[Flint071]

he wasn't making a comparison, he was saying that hisstank members are the most likely demographic that the Club should be targeting -- the hard core G.I. Joe fan that spends time online discussing it. there are 19,000 hisstank members, that means if there are are 1200 Club members, the Club is appealing to only 6% of the members. that's not very good.

now, not all 19,000 are probably the hard core collectors that some are, but you would have to think more than 1,200 are.

I hate that you all can do math better than me.

[Roshan]

I'm with you, but that kind of leads into his point. how many hardcore G.I. Joe fans are there? gotta be more than 1200 to keep the line as barely alive as it is. so how come the Club only appeals to so few of them?

we may be cheap, but we aren't that cheap if the value is there.

This leads to the overall catch 22 here. In order for the club to put out a figure line that is tailor made to the collector base with the right figure sculpts the price is higher than a collector could bear. If the club would have 10,000 subscribers, it would be able to give us figures with a lot more newly sculpted parts that fit the character exactly to the original in ME style, and at the same time, offer a lower price point to bring it into that value range for a joe collector. But they can't offer the value price and sculpts without the members, and the community won't all join unless it sees that value up front. So there's the crux.


and speaking of numbers, remember that overall production runs are in the 30 to 40 thousand range (non movie) these days. So how many people who buy in that 30 to 40k buy one of everything, and then how many out of that small group include all club items in there completist lists?

[Unclassified]

i'm starting to think this chick covergirl is just bad news..

the chick is poison, look at this thread and all the shit she created, got guys fighting over her..

[Zefram]

we may be cheap, but we aren't that cheap if the value is there.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. I've seen far too much bitching about the price Hasbro charges for figures, despite the fact that every other company seems to charge as much or more for largely inferior products.

The response to the Skystriker was encouraging, but that was their home run swing, and it was only a 75% markup after 25+ years. Try being a comic-book fan and having a product go from $0.75 (at most!) to $2.95 (at least!). That's an inflation of 400%!!!

[Falcone]

i'm starting to think this chick covergirl is just bad news..

the chick is poison, look at this thread and all the shit she created, got guys fighting over her..

The pretty ones are always trouble...



***Referring to Cover Girl as a real person again.

[Nirvana]

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lutyg99lJ71qe9r2fo1_500.gif

I'm proud of you guys. You got this thread to be bigger than Surefire's. Even for just little nitpickings, that's commendable. Cover Girl has a long history and it deserves a lot of discussion. Now let's get ready for a huge blowout with Big Boa to wrap this up until official pricing is announced.

[Zefram]

I'm proud of you guys. You got this thread to be bigger than Surefire's. Even for just little nitpickings, that's commendable. Cover Girl has a long history and it deserves a lot of discussion. Now let's get ready for a huge blowout with Big Boa to wrap this up until official pricing is announced.

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy302/zeframmann/Animation/1a58c1ed3c7335c6632e0796a5f7cb2f.gif

[snakeeyes0217]

This leads to the overall catch 22 here. In order for the club to put out a figure line that is tailor made to the collector base with the right figure sculpts the price is higher than a collector could bear. If the club would have 10,000 subscribers, it would be able to give us figures with a lot more newly sculpted parts that fit the character exactly to the original in ME style, and at the same time, offer a lower price point to bring it into that value range for a joe collector. But they can't offer the value price and sculpts without the members, and the community won't all join unless it sees that value up front. So there's the crux...how many out of that small group include all club items in there completist lists?

It's not so much a catch 22 as a cause and affect. They choose to keep the status quo. gunslingercbr did a good job of explaining my point in comparing the Hisstank numbers to the club numbers but I'll give it a go too:

If the club did a better job of offering things in general that the members wanted like the 'Tank does, they would have more members. For example, why are we here instead of their message board? They are, after all, the Official GI JOE Fan Club. Instead of making a stellar website like the 'Tank, they put out that "magazine" that is loaded with old and generally uninteresting content. It's a waste of membership money, especially if they're only printing it for 1,000 people. Their cost to just to print and ship those magazines (not including the content development) is probably close to $3 a piece at that quantity.

To your point about fans wanting to see figures upfront and their need to have higher prices. Think about it this way, if they offered better services, they would have more members. (The 'Tank found a way to even offer these services for free. Why can't they?) More members mean they have more exposure for the products they sell which means higher production runs. Higher production runs mean lower prices which leads to more members buying them. More members buying them mean more profits and the ability to spend money on tooling to make better figures.

To me, it seems that they're happy with their little bit of mediocrity. They seem okay with these small production runs and reuse of old parts.

This leads me to my point. There are tons of JOE fans to tap into that they are just missing out on. I think other institutions could handle the Fan Club much more successfully.

[Turtle Master]

I agree that the annual fee seems too high and they should be aggressively pursuing ways to control shipping and international pricing issues.

The subscription has the potential to really make the club membership more valuable but, pending Big Boa, 13th figure, card details and pricing info, I give them a C+ so far when they needed an A to really get this thing going.

[joker7908]

I hate the GI Joe club's website. There isn't anything appealing to it like the hisstank. And then you get to the joe club store and it's all confusing and frustrating.

[RolandofGilead]

Maybe the club and Hisstank should merge. Letting the folks at the tank run the "official" site while the club puts all their efforts into the store.

Hell, there's not even a sponsor's link to the club. You'd think they'd want to connect to the biggest Joe site out there.

[Cksport]

The 'Tank found a way to even offer these services for free. Why can't they?

Your missing something very important here.

The tank has no salaries and no physical location to pay for. Additionally the tank is just a message board. When is the last time you ordered something from the tank?

The truth is, the Club tries to be a jack of all trades, and a master of none. For what they do though... I give them a tremendous amount of credit for.

They:
- Organize and run the Annual Joe convention
- Design, create, produce, and sell convention exclusives in 12" and 3 3/4"
- Design, create, produce, and distribute an annual 12" and 3 3/4" Club figure
- Design, create, print, and distribute 12 monthly color newsletter magazines (oddly enough, not everyone does the online message board thing)
- Act as a retailer of Joe Product
- Run another Joe Message Board
- Trying to establish a new online auction house / buy, sell, trade location
- oh yea.. and they are doing there best to bring us an opportunity to get 13 more Modern Era figures we would have otherwise never had an opportunity to buy.. using primarily existing tooling and being creative.

People need to be alittle nicer to a hand that feeds us.. The Joe line has very little retailer support. The club could be all we have one day.

[JediJones]

This figure has orange hair, and I don't consider that a good compromise between blonde and red. Saying Covergirl was blonde in the cartoon is very misleading. For the vast majority of the series she was styled exactly like the original figure, with the short red hair in the action figure's outfit. Apparently in the very first 5-part miniseries she had long blonde hair, although as someone who is a big fan of the series and has seen most of them multiple times I didn't even remember that because it was such a minor appearance. She wasn't even in her proper uniform then. I guess I should have given more credit to the movie for possibly modeling their Covergirl after this very early, obscure blonde rendition.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2553/4203924740_f404454339.jpg
http://members.tripod.com/mrx_6/covergirl5_2.jpg
http://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/_img/chars/char_9756.jpg
http://joeguide.com/summaries/synthoid_conspiracy_part_2/images/scp2-053.jpghttp://joeguide.com/summaries/synthoid_conspiracy_part_2/images/scp2-056.jpg

The long red hair look came from the modern comics only I think, although Resolute followed that. Gawd, comparing these pictures just reminds me how much better the old cartoons look with their realistic human faces instead of the modern giant puppy-dog anime eyes.

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u11/snakeeyes0217/customs/Resolute_CoverGirl/04-1.jpg

As for the chick who voiced Covergirl in the original cartoon, well, let's just say I might have preferred to see her in live-action, judging by this photo on IMDB:

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm4259287552/nm0041413

[Darkfire]

Guess I'm going to have to get this CG, an extra LJ, and an extra Helix to kitbash together for a CG that I'll be happy with. Guess I'll look for a Phoenix head or a different better one.

[Zefram]

http://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/_img/chars/char_9756.jpg

Gawd, comparing these pictures just reminds me how much better the old cartoons look with their realistic human faces instead of the modern giant puppy-dog anime eyes.

Yes, let's look at a former supermodel with a chiseled jaw like Bruce Campbell.

ARAH was good for its day, but take the nostalgia filter off your glasses before shitting on what's out now.

[snakeeyes0217]

Your missing something very important here.

The tank has no salaries and no physical location to pay for. Additionally the tank is just a message board. When is the last time you ordered something from the tank?

The truth is, the Club tries to be a jack of all trades, and a master of none. For what they do though... I give them a tremendous amount of credit for.

They:
- Organize and run the Annual Joe convention
- Design, create, produce, and sell convention exclusives in 12" and 3 3/4"
- Design, create, produce, and distribute an annual 12" and 3 3/4" Club figure
- Design, create, print, and distribute 12 monthly color newsletter magazines (oddly enough, not everyone does the online message board thing)
- Act as a retailer of Joe Product
- Run another Joe Message Board
- Trying to establish a new online auction house / buy, sell, trade location
- oh yea.. and they are doing there best to bring us an opportunity to get 13 more Modern Era figures we would have otherwise never had an opportunity to buy.. using primarily existing tooling and being creative.

People need to be alittle nicer to a hand that feeds us.. The Joe line has very little retailer support. The club could be all we have one day.

These things are not an excuse for poor figures.

As for being nicer, why should we? If they're feeding us poop and only 1,000 people are eating it, what are we really gaining here?

As far as the club being all we have one day, what's more likely is that Hasbro gets a clue and pulls the club from these guys and runs it themselves or lets someone with more ambition do it.

I guess I'm feeling more spirited about the whole thing because I'm so let down by Cover Girl. I haven't liked any of the figures so far and this one was going to be my excuse to have to sign up for the subscription and now that isn't going to happen.

[Zefram]

I haven't liked any of the figures so far and this one was going to be my excuse to have to sign up for the subscription and now that isn't going to happen.

Cool, more for me. :D

[JediJones]

Yes, let's look at a former supermodel with a chiseled jaw like Bruce Campbell.

ARAH was good for its day, but take the nostalgia filter off your glasses before shitting on what's out now.

That'd be a good argument if the Resolute Covergirl didn't look like a 4-year-old with a little baby face. Yeah, I could really see that childish, doe-eyed waif kicking butt in an elite military unit. The ARAH Covergirl looks perfectly smoking hot to me, and like a real person. Not saying the animation was as smooth as modern cartoons, but the character designs looked better, more like real people and not "tooned up" wannabe Disney characters.

I can say the same thing for comic book art. They used to try to draw real-looking people back in the '80s, now they take the shortcut and draw stylized, cartoony-looking things most of the time.

[snakeeyes0217]

I can say the same thing for comic book art. They used to try to draw real-looking people back in the '80s, now they take the shortcut and draw stylized, cartoony-looking things most of the time.

I prefer the more realistic look for JOEs as well. But make no mistake, the stylized look is no shortcut. It's a lot harder to draw a convincing human being with 10 lines than with 50. If you don't believe me, try it.

[Falcone]

The long red hair look came from the modern comics only I think,

It came from the animated movie.

As far as animation, I like both looks. I like the realistic approach and the anime style, it just all depends on the content.

[07GT500 COBRA]

For all of you that keep saying the FSS Cover girl is blond, have a look at these and tell me what you see.

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd100/commandercrunch/blind_test1.jpg



Isn't that your mom's phone number?

;)

[codename: Augie]

Was hoping to see something more classic, with new tooling. More like this:
http://www.hisstank.com/forum/members/ryk-albums-joe+stuff-picture42460-cgcolor4b.jpg

But, again thanks to the club for that Cover Girl.

This is exactly the CG I was hoping for. Really disappointed.

[Deftones1982]

I still like the FSS. The only one that isn't needed is the Jinx figure. Probably will sell that one.

[VideoViper]

When's these comming out?

[sbartek1974]

When's these comming out?

Next month sometime.

[atomatron]

Next month sometime.

next month = december

but what YEAR :)

i expect first delivery in march at this point (optimistic too)

[cobraEdaco]

Their Facebook page said that they hoped to bring us photos of the final carded FSS samples in the next couple of weeks (that was on Nov 13).

IMO they'll start shipping in Jan or Feb '13. Maybe if we're lucky, we'll get a set in time for Christmas, but I don't think so.

[Python_Puckman]

next month = december

but what YEAR :)

i expect first delivery in march at this point (optimistic too)

Maybe they're waiting to see if the Mayan end of the world happens before getting serious :)

[atomatron]

Maybe they're waiting to see if the Mayan end of the world happens before getting serious :)

thtas how im living my life and managing my finances...so fingers crossed...5 weeks and counting...

[sbartek1974]

next month = december

but what YEAR :)

i expect first delivery in march at this point (optimistic too)

Their Facebook page said that they hoped to bring us photos of the final carded FSS samples in the next couple of weeks (that was on Nov 13).

IMO they'll start shipping in Jan or Feb '13. Maybe if we're lucky, we'll get a set in time for Christmas, but I don't think so.

Maybe they're waiting to see if the Mayan end of the world happens before getting serious :)

At first I thought they said that first shipment was to be expected this November. Then I heard December this year. But I wouldn't get my hopes up. But hey, they'll make sure they get their money on time though.

[Black Swan]

A year later and still no Cover Girl ???

[WildWeaselZ06]

At first I thought they said that first shipment was to be expected this November. Then I heard December this year. But I wouldn't get my hopes up. But hey, they'll make sure they get their money on time though.

Must bite tongue!

[sbartek1974]

Must bite tongue!

C'mon WildWeasel! Let it all out!!! :)

[vermillion21]

At first I thought they said that first shipment was to be expected this November. Then I heard December this year. But I wouldn't get my hopes up. But hey, they'll make sure they get their money on time though.

^ 100% truth

[Turtle Master]

I have no idea how the Club runs internally and how everything fits together, but the focus should be on getting the FSS figures out the door rather than working on deals for more OG sets.

If you have limited time/manpower, use it to finish something people have already paid for.

[MJjoe4life]

I have no idea how the Club runs internally and how everything fits together, but the focus should be on getting the FSS figures out the door rather than working on deals for more OG sets.

If you have limited time/manpower, use it to finish something people have already paid for.

They are working on FSS, last update was they were wtg on the finished packaged versions to show up for their viewing. Then they had a poll on FB about which carded figure we would like to see first. Just have to wait on these things to get made.