Looking for a "yellow" Stalker at a reasonable price

[Nemesis_Enforcer]

I'm looking to buy a "yellow" Stalker at a reasonable price. It must be MOC and in great shape.

Please PM if you're interested in selling one.

[Fire_Fly]

whats your offer ?

[Nemesis_Enforcer]

I am offering to pay $20.00 for the figure plus shipping.

[Derek2783]

good luck. ;)

[The Commander]

I am offering to pay $20.00 for the figure plus shipping.

Nemesis, I'd say you'll have to either hope that more 'banana' Stalkers hit the market or find something equivalent to trade, because $20.00 just won't do it.

Good luck though if you do find it!

[Gung.Heaux]

how dare you!
$20 is ONLY a 300% profit for the greedy bastiches who own one...or however many they found.

[ladyhump]

400% if you bought it at Walmart.

[The Commander]

how dare you!
$20 is ONLY a 300% profit for the greedy bastiches who own one...or however many they found.

Haha...good one. I'd be thinking 1200% is what they are wanting right now.

Personally, i wouldn't sell mine. if I found a second one, i'd sell it for whatever i could make off it though.

[CG76]

I wouldn't pay over $20 for the yellow Stalker. They're not as rare as others might want you to think. From a credible source.

[The Commander]

I wouldn't pay over $20 for the yellow Stalker. They're not as rare as others might want you to think. From a credible source.

Oh, do tell, what/who is this credible source?

And, as it stands right now, they seem pretty rare (considering I myself have seen 3 green stalkers and only one yellow), that would be a 3:1 ratio. So unless they plan on re-releasing the yellow Stalker, I'd say it will continue to go for its 50-75 dollar range.

Just my .02 (can't remember who i stole that from)

[Compulsive Collector]

considering I myself have seen 3 green stalkers and only one yellow I've seen two yellow Stalkers (I bought both of them) and seventeen green Stalkers (I bought one).

[The Commander]

I've seen two yellow Stalkers (I bought both of them) and seventeen green Stalkers (I bought one).

My point exactly. Thanks CC.

I just want to see what the 'credible' source is, that's all.

[CG76]

Who do you think would be a credible source? Just because you saw 3 greens for every 1 yellow at your local store, it doesn't mean that will be forever the case.

[OUTBACK]

::ahem::

Commander, funny thing was if i was to sell things "at whatever i could make off it" i would be called every name in the book (which i have been), and the funniest part is, i never sold not a single figure.

i'm starting to see what goes on "here"...

people are missing the point. just the fact that someone is looking for a yellow Stalker means they want that variant and are prepared to pay for it. they know it is collectible and rare, that is why they seek it.

when they offer you a low price and you decline, your a scalping lowlife who is greedy and shouldn't collect and is a disgrace to JOE's...but yet they still want that figure.

if this gets deleted or edited, it is sad. this is the truth and shouldn't be censored.

[The Commander]

Who do you think would be a credible source?

A credible source, to me, would be someone from Hasbro stating that more yellow Stalkers were on the way.

Just because you saw 3 greens for every 1 yellow at your local store, it doesn't mean that will be forever the case.

Didn't I say this already?
So unless they plan on re-releasing the yellow Stalker...

Why yes I did!

I'm not trying to start anything. Let's keep it cool.

[Obiwanjacoby]

Many people still see the boards as a backdoor getaway from "scalpers" or ebay competition. They believe that there are some collectors who are kind enough to sell at original retail cost.

The weirdest thing about this "pipe dream" is that they're exactly right! There still are some who do this, though not as many as there once were.

Would anyone believe that I recently got a free SDCC carded Destro from someone I never knew previously, back when I was just a N00B?

No, I wouldn't either. :D

They do exist, they just don't have a bottomless supply of figures to meet the demand. Banana Stalker is just such a case, however you choose to read that. ;)

-PJ

[The Commander]

::ahem::

Commander, funny thing was if i was to sell things "at whatever i could make off it" i would be called every name in the book (which i have been), and the funniest part is, i never sold not a single figure.

i'm starting to see what goes on "here"...

people are missing the point. just the fact that someone is looking for a yellow Stalker means they want that variant and are prepared to pay for it. they know it is collectible and rare, that is why they seek it.

when they offer you a low price and you decline, your a scalping lowlife who is greedy and shouldn't collect and is a disgrace to JOE's...but yet they still want that figure.

if this gets deleted or edited, it is sad. this is the truth and shouldn't be censored.

Outback,

I think my words were taken out of context. I meant by "at whatever i could make off it" that if CG76, for example, offers $20 and I had an extra, then sure, I would sell it for $20 because, as you said, that is what he is willing to pay for it.

As a matter of fact, just to make certain my name doesn't get mired as a 'scalper', I recently went out of my way to get a Cobra Legions set for Omegawrath and didn't charge him anything extra, just the cost of the figure and shipping.

[OUTBACK]

Obiwan you are right, they are here.

i've dealt with a quite a few already. and i don't mind paying current market value for something that demands it. it's the name of game. don't like it...find a new "hobby"...

Commander that's cool...but that's like asking you what do you want : $100.00 or $20.00....

also......that's what "you can
make off it" from only ONE person. you could make more, you choose to only deal with him.

all the fakes will say $20.00 because they want to look morally good and be exhaulted as some sort of "true collector" . we all know EVERYONE would say $100.00

truth.

[Compulsive Collector]

Who do you think would be a credible source? Just because you saw 3 greens for every 1 yellow at your local store, it doesn't mean that will be forever the case. Your non-answer isn't exactly convincing. It's actually been 8:1 for me, but the more relevant aspect of my experience is that I haven't seen a single yellow Stalker from anything other than the initial shipment of wave 3 figures, and even some of those were the green version. If more are coming, I'm sure other collectors who haven't found one would like to know.

they know it is collectible and rare, that is why they seek it. Well, not everyone wants different versions because they are "rare". Some people just like having a complete collection. I paid $65 for my DC Direct Jason Todd Hush figure, but I opened it to display loose with the rest of my Hush figures as soon as I received it. My collection just wasn't complete without it.

I'd like a black Timber Snake-Eyes, too, but I'm not at all concerned with how "rare" it is or how much it's worth. If I was, I'd have kept both of my Roddy Piper figures carded. On the other hand, I don't expect anyone to sell me that Snake-Eyes for cost. It would be nice, and all, but I'm a bit of a realist.

[Nemesis_Enforcer]

I just figured $20 would be fine since this is a Joe collecting community/website and not eBay.

My area is pretty much barren when it comes to the 25th line. My TRU doesn't even have pegs for them. I have contacts in all the major retail stores in my area and here's the total times these stores have received any 25th single carded figures. The only reason why I have any figures is that I've ordered them from BBTS.

Wal-Mart (1-0-0) three stores Wave 1
Target (1) one store - Wave 2
KB Toys (3-1) two stores - Waves 1, 2 & 3
K-Mart (0-1) two stores - Wave 1
Toys 'R Us (2) one store - Wave 2

[The Commander]

Commander that's cool...but that's like asking you what do you want : $100.00 or $20.00....that what you can "
make off it" from only ONE person. you could make more, you choose to only deal with him.

all the fakes will say $20.00 because they want to look morally good and be exhaulted as some sort of "true collector" . we all know EVERYONE would say $100.00



Well, i personally, if someone said "I'll give you $20 for that Stalker" and I had an extra, I'd say sure.

Now, if I got, say two offers, one for $20 and one for $100 within a certain time, I would, yes go with the higher amount, who wouldn't? I would give the $20 offer a chance to go higher though. But, I wouldn't sit and wait if I told someone already I'd sell it for $20 then take my word back and sell it to someone else for $100.

But, that's just me, and the world is an evil place sometimes...

Regardless, I only have one Yellow Stalker, and he's mine....ALLLLLL MIIINNNNNEEEEE! :D

[OUTBACK]

Compulsive i hear you, but most people think it's "ugly" and the green one is much "better or closer to the original", yet they STILL want it?

let's be real for a second.

[Compulsive Collector]

Compulsive i hear you, but most people think it's "ugly" and the green one is much "better or closer to the original", yet they STILL want it?

let's be real for a second. I'm being very real. Personally, I'm much more into Cobra and the ninjas than I am the military Joes. I still have all of the 25th Anniversary figures that have been released. I think Shipwreck is a positively stupid looking character, but I still have both versions, both of which I found at retail. Why? Because I enjoy having a complete collection.

I have no shortage of STAR WARS figures I don't necessarily like, but they help complete a line.

[Nemesis_Enforcer]

"Now, if I got, say two offers, one for $20 and one for $100 within a certain time, I would, yes go with the higher amount, who wouldn't?" - Commander

I understand your point Commander. If there IS anyone that has a double or triple of the yellow Stalker and is willing to sell it for $20 that's fine. It never hurts to ask. I'm a completionist, so if there are any variants I try and get them. I don't always, but I do try.

I wish I had a rare figure to trade but I don't. I'm going out after work, maybe I'll find a yellow stalker or something I can trade for him.

[CG76]

I will say that the Commander was on to something on one of his posts. But my source is very real and credible. My advice is to Nemesis Enforcer who's looking for a Yellow Stalker. Think of the yellow as a running change/not variant. Believing is a choice.

[Xerofall]

I'm a completionist, so if there are any variants I try and get them. I don't always, but I do try.

That would be why I would want one. When I saw Stalker at first I made fun of his color. Now realizing he was a mistake and his value is climbing... for some reason that makes him desirable. It's silly... but if you're going to collect things, why not go for it all?

If I find one, I'll sell him to you (Nemesis Enforcer) for cost. :D

I have a reputation to uphold within the community. You guys would string me up if I bought a yellow Stalker and sold him on eBay. Most would say "who cares?" but I'm one of the good guys.

FYI, the two figures my wife bought for me are not part of the "I'll help you get the figures" deal because they were a gift. She'll only let me trade the gifted Joes.

But the ones I buy, if I find any!!! GRRRR!!! haven't yet, I'll still make that offer, cost+shipping.

[Xerofall]

But my source is very real and very credible and I'm not at liberal to reveal who it is for very good reasons.

The fate of the world and our very freedom is at risk if he did tell. http://forums.focaljet.com/images/smilies/crazy.gif






Sorry, I couldn't resist. :D

[1982RULEZ]

I to am a completist...yes it is both frustrating and expensive. :(

I too am seeking a "yellow" Stalker, and just like you i will only pay up to $20.00

I believe if we just have a little patience the price will become more reasonable and we will both be able to recieve this figure at a more reasonable price than what it is currently going for on Ebay and other selling sites.

Good Luck to you Nemesis Enforcer and if happen to come across an extra in my dealings I will be sure hold it for you for retail plus actual shipping costs!!!

[swafus]

Okay seriously guys, all this conjecture is making my head spin!! If you want to see how rare the item is take a look on Evil-bay. Everyone who's got one of these is plopping it on there to see what they can get for it. If there were a ton of them out there, they would be on the market. Also look at how many loose ones are up for auction? Usually it's 2-3 max at a time and they are still going for $40 and up.

As for this "scalper" witch-hunt that's going on, everyone needs to man-up and stop pretending to be Dudley Do-Right about the whole thing. Saying you'd sell something for $20 when you could get $100 for (to a complete stranger no less) is a borderline psychosis.

If your neighbor came up and said they'd give you $500 for your $10 plastic lawn chairs because they are super rare and they just have to have them, would you so no???

I thought not.

I'm not out to rip anyone off but if I can make extra $ because I have what someone else really wants than there is absolutely nothing wrong with that! That is Capitalism. It's part of what makes this country great. It can also lead to "scalpers" like the guy I caught at Target, bending the cards to ruin their value!
That's Capitalism, you take the good with the bad, man. We cannot cure the world of this by getting flustered on a message board.

[C.I.A.D.]

Okay seriously guys, all this conjecture is making my head spin!! If you want to see how rare the item is take a look on Evil-bay. Everyone who's got one of these is plopping it on there to see what they can get for it. If there were a ton of them out there, they would be on the market. Also look at how many loose ones are up for auction? Usually it's 2-3 max at a time and they are still going for $40 and up.

As for this "scalper" witch-hunt that's going on, everyone needs to man-up and stop pretending to be Dudley Do-Right about the whole thing. Saying you'd sell something for $20 when you could get $100 for (to a complete stranger no less) is a borderline psychosis.

If your neighbor came up and said they'd give you $500 for your $10 plastic lawn chairs because they are super rare and they just have to have them, would you so no???

I thought not.

I'm not out to rip anyone off but if I can make extra $ because I have what someone else really wants than there is absolutely nothing wrong with that! That is Capitalism. It's part of what makes this country great. It can also lead to "scalpers" like the guy I caught at Target, bending the cards to ruin their value!
That's Capitalism, you take the good with the bad, man. We cannot cure the world of this by getting flustered on a message board.


I think the reason people get flustered is because, regardless of whether "you" like it or not, we're all part of a larger community. Kinda like a large circle of friends. People take it personal when they think their friends are ripping them off.

I would disagree with one statement you made:

"Saying you'd sell something for $20 when you could get $100 for (to a complete stranger no less) is a borderline psychosis."

Why so? Isn't hooking someone up who otherwise wouldn't have an item worth it? Sorry, Fridge, but I want to use one of our transactions as an example:

I don't know Fridge from a hole in the wall, he doesn't know me from Moses.

I posted my needs: Color Change Zartan, Green Stalker. My offering? Silver Head PDD on card. My asking price for the figure - $15. What I paid for it. Sure, I coulda turned around and took a monetary offer from another member, then bought the figures from Fridge.

Know what though? I wouldn't feel right doing so. That's just me though. To each their own.

You said it best here: "That is Capitalism."


Unfortunately, my friends, that's what it all comes down to. Money. Some of us are completists, some of us aren't. Those of us that want that variant figure, because otherwise, to us, our collections will feel like they're missing something.

Giving something to someone at cost is a hook up. I actually received 2 pm's when I posted that I had found 5 Cobra Legions sets. Someone who will remained unnamed (you know who you are, feel free to post ;) ), actually called me a liar when I stated that I bought the sets for other people, and was only keeping one for myself.

Sorry....let me get back on track:

A decent price for a Yellow Stalker is anything that the buyer is willing to offer...be it $20, or be it $100. It's what the prospective buyer is willing to pay. That is his/her decent price.

What a seller is willing to accept for it is another matter all together. If someone is looking to part with their item for what the market dictates, then by all means, do so. However, always understand that that's called a sale, not a hook up.

[OUTBACK]

I have a reputation to uphold within the community. You guys would string me up if I bought a yellow Stalker and sold him on eBay. Most would say "who cares?" but I'm one of the good guys.

thank you swafus and C.I.A.D., finally people are starting to make mature sense here over this matter. only one thing...just because you want fair market value, is not a "rip-off". if i wanted a yellow stalker, i expect my trade-in value to meet his/her item. if he wants about 80.00 -100.00 in trade or cash,i have to bring that to the table. and vice-versa. i wouldn't think someone is ripping me off.

people should stop caring about this so-called witch hunt and who will skewer you if you sell something on eBay.

Xero according to your logic, anyone who sells anything above what they paid is a "bad guy" huh? so every person who posts here, who listed items on eBay, is a bad guy?

that is what you are saying?

[swafus]

I think the reason people get flustered is because, regardless of whether "you" like it or not, we're all part of a larger community. Kinda like a large circle of friends. People take it personal when they think their friends are ripping them off.

I would disagree with one statement you made:

"Saying you'd sell something for $20 when you could get $100 for (to a complete stranger no less) is a borderline psychosis."

Why so? Isn't hooking someone up who otherwise wouldn't have an item worth it? Sorry, Fridge, but I want to use one of our transactions as an example:

I don't know Fridge from a hole in the wall, he doesn't know me from Moses.

I posted my needs: Color Change Zartan, Green Stalker. My offering? Silver Head PDD on card. My asking price for the figure - $15. What I paid for it. Sure, I coulda turned around and took a monetary offer from another member, then bought the figures from Fridge.

Know what though? I wouldn't feel right doing so. That's just me though. To each their own.

You said it best here: "That is Capitalism."


Unfortunately, my friends, that's what it all comes down to. Money. Some of us are completists, some of us aren't. Those of us that want that variant figure, because otherwise, to us, our collections will feel like they're missing something.

Giving something to someone at cost is a hook up. I actually received 2 pm's when I posted that I had found 5 Cobra Legions sets. Someone who will remained unnamed (you know who you are, feel free to post ;) ), actually called me a liar when I stated that I bought the sets for other people, and was only keeping one for myself.

Sorry....let me get back on track:

A decent price for a Yellow Stalker is anything that the buyer is willing to offer...be it $20, or be it $100. It's what the prospective buyer is willing to pay. That is his/her decent price.

What a seller is willing to accept for it is another matter all together. If someone is looking to part with their item for what the market dictates, then by all means, do so. However, always understand that that's called a sale, not a hook up.

The deal you guys worked out was a fair, cost-for-cost swap. I have no issue with that and have entertained offers with board members for the same type of deal. But when you start getting into high $$ items and someone willing to "give" it away out of the goodness of their heart? I applaud anyone who would do that and wish them well. Morally I believe it is quite a victory, realistically I believe it is quite foolish to do so.
To each his own though.

[C.I.A.D.]

I applaud anyone who would do that and wish them well. Morally I believe it is quite a victory, realistically I believe it is quite foolish to do so.
To each his own though.


I agree whole heartedly with you there, so sorry if my post came out as indicating otherwise.

What people really need to take a step back and realize is that it's US who dictate the prices on these figures. It's us who are paying for them. Does anyone honestly believe that if all of a sudden, NO ONE bought a Banana Stalker...that eBay prices would still be the same? Psssh, fuggedaboutit. They'd be going for $5.99, just because the sellers can't seem to get rid of'em.

BUT..since his paint apps were swapped and he's no longer being mass produced...The Collector in us all wants one.

If people want to hook each other up at cost? Then God Bless, you're a good guy. Me? I constantly hook my friends up at cost. But I know they'd do the same for me.

But if "you" want to ask $100 for something and that's what the market dictates? Then it's complete hypocrisy for me to state that "you" are a scalper, if that's what EVERYONE is paying for them.

Again, I can't stress this enough...Sellers can only attempt to sell something. It's up to the Buyer to actually spend their hard earned cash. If Billy is willing to pay on $20 for ____, but Bobby is willing to pay $80, and Jimmy is willing to pay $100....then the market is dictating what the cost of the figure is, not the Seller.

See....that's the thing though. If we were all still 8 years old, we wouldn't give a rat's ass about yellow stalker, non color change zartan, anchor tat shipwreck, Pink Camo Duke (c'mon, you know he's coming!).

Unfortunately, we're all adults, and as such, we're looking at these toys for not only nostalgic reasons, but as investments as well.

Dammit, I really have to stop making such long-ass posts. Bottom line - Pay what you want for a figure. Who cares? It's your money! :D

[OUTBACK]

::applauding C.I.A.D.::

encore!

(jk)

[swafus]

I agree 100% dude, you put it much better than I did but basically that's the idea I was trying to convey. I will add this little urban phrase even though it's a few years old:

Don't hate the player, hate the game :-)


BTW if anybody is looking for a beautiful set of plastic lawn chairs, my starting price is $500..........
any takers?

[C.I.A.D.]

Throw in a Garden Knome and we're talking business. PM me.

[Nemesis_Enforcer]

Well, made some stops after picking up my tux for tomorrow. Nothing. Not even a 5 pack. Stopped at TRU, Wal-Mart and a Target. Toys R Us stocks on Wednesdays by me so I'll have to check tomorrow since I'll be in town.

I think this whole thing got a little bit out of control here. Everyone makes valid points. I just don't want to spend a whole lot on one figure I'm just gonna hang up and display. Plus I just bought a house, so I can't be dropping a ton of money on one figure. My wife would probably kill me.

[Compulsive Collector]

But when you start getting into high $$ items and someone willing to "give" it away out of the goodness of their heart? I applaud anyone who would do that and wish them well. Morally I believe it is quite a victory, realistically I believe it is quite foolish to do so.
To each his own though. If you're not losing anything by selling at cost, and you don't need the money, I don't think "foolish" is accurate at all.

[swafus]

If you're not losing anything by selling at cost, and you don't need the money, I don't think "foolish" is accurate at all.

Um...Yeah, to each his own.
Who out there "doesn't need" money? If there is anyone that falls into this category, I'm sure they are in the minority and if they are reading this post I for one would love a:

PDD gold head moc
Moc banana stalker
black-wolf snake eyes moc
and a rowdy roddy piper signed moc

.....I am willing to pay $15 a piece for each one and not a penny more. So please out of the goodness of your heart, "hook me up"!

Let's see how many responses I get? Or is that foolish of me to even ask?

[Compulsive Collector]

Um...Yeah, to each his own.
Who out there "doesn't need" money? What, $70? I don't. If I needed $70, I'd stop collecting toys, because I have a better grasp of priorities than that.

If there is anyone that falls into this category, I'm sure they are in the minority and if they are reading this post I for one would love a:

PDD gold head moc
Moc banana stalker
black-wolf snake eyes moc
and a rowdy roddy piper signed moc

.....I am willing to pay $15 a piece for each one and not a penny more. So please out of the goodness of your heart, "hook me up"!

Let's see how many responses I get? Or is that foolish of me to even ask? Well, the Piper figure cost $25, and I did specifically mention not losing any money, if you will recall. I only have two of those (don't like the Destro and I want to see the card in person before buying a Snake-Eyes with black Timber). If I had any extras, I'd hook up the right person, but probably not someone who asked like that, and certainly not someone who believes it's "foolish" to look out for another hobbyist.

I did, however, send a yellow Stalker to someone for less than $15. The USPS seems to have failed in their efforts to deliver it, but I mailed it for cost plus shipping, and I'm still hopeful that he'll have it in his collection shortly. Why? Because I don't need $70 in profit. It only cost me $6.40. In fact, I was going to return it to Target and leave it for someone else to find until he asked about it.

Of course, he didn't ask me to sell it for so little. He asked me what I wanted for it, so I could have requested more.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with selling collectibles for secondary market value. If you can make some loot, then by all means, go for it. That doesn't mean not jumping at every opportunity to make a measly few bucks is "foolish" behavior, though.

[Obiwanjacoby]

Let's see how many responses I get? Or is that foolish of me to even ask?

No, it's not. And no one should belittle you for the price you're willing to pay for them.

But then telling people how they should or should not conduct their behavior is a slippery slope, isn't it? It's like herding cats. Some collectors just have thicker skins. They don't realize that apart from current laws, there is no "moral value" of a dollar or the items bought.

The dollar merely represents a tangible chunk of your time + energy, or "work". And of course, we all earn different amounts for different expenditures of our work.

The only thing being equal then, is the deal a "scalper" is proposing on ebay is all the same as your proposed deal. So it works both ways. The "speculation" we enjoy shooting the breeze about doesn't really matter, because they're just disconnected proposals waiting for a hand to shake.

The problems arrive when everyone not potentially involved starts throwing their bets in the wind. Most gamble according to the odds, while others take the risk and are called "stupid" for their gamble. This applies to the buyer as well as the seller.

When the deal actually goes "down" and you see it close, no one could really call it; not even the individuals involved.

- You don't have a sure shot at Walmart (brick and mortar stores), just better gambling odds. This applies to sellers and buyers.

- You don't have a sure shot at BBTS (online retail), just better gambling odds. This applies to sellers and buyers.

- Ebay? ;) Nuff said.

You can call me stupid all you like, but I value this boxed vehicle filecard that I paid $50 for FAR MORE than your approval of it. The seller just told me he feels the same.

I have made what some would call crazy deals both buying and selling.

Traded away a Funskool Storm Shadow pack-in for a sealed mail-away '86 Firebat, which I then happily opened.

I'm willing to pay up to $80 each for certain vehicle driver filecards in mint condition. Is that "stupid"? Think first; don't just react.

When you start placing the giving and taking of peer-approval over the give and take of the collectible, then you've just stepped into a different hobby, no?

This is why many of us in the Joe community couldn't get along in the past. The law of the "free market" was replaced for a time by the law of "High School." But we're moving beyond that. People can change (if they're willing to).

I used to make fun like the rest, but then I stopped with the knee-jerk reactions and just thought about what I was doing. Again, it all comes down to your priorities.

-PJ

[swafus]

What, $70? I don't. If I needed $70, I'd stop collecting toys, because I have a better grasp of priorities than that.

Well, the Piper figure cost $25, and I did specifically mention not losing any money, if you will recall. I only have two of those (don't like the Destro and I want to see the card in person before buying a Snake-Eyes with black Timber). If I had any extras, I'd hook up the right person, but probably not someone who asked like that, and certainly not someone who believes it's "foolish" to look out for another hobbyist.

I did, however, send a yellow Stalker to someone for less than $15. The USPS seems to have failed in their efforts to deliver it, but I mailed it for cost plus shipping, and I'm still hopeful that he'll have it in his collection shortly. Why? Because I don't need $70 in profit. It only cost me $6.40. In fact, I was going to return it to Target and leave it for someone else to find until he asked about it.

Of course, he didn't ask me to sell it for so little. He asked me what I wanted for it, so I could have requested more.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with selling collectibles for secondary market value. If you can make some loot, then by all means, go for it. That doesn't mean not jumping at every opportunity to make a measly few bucks is "foolish" behavior, though.

CLAP,CLAP,CLAP......Bravo sir! 3 cheers for you that you don't need $70

I'll say it a third time.......TO EACH, HIS OWN.

As far as analyzing the price I'm willing to pay for said items....that's what "I'm willing to pay". If I offered to pay $150 per figure I'm sure I'd get a few responses from people that could use the money. As of yet I've not received a single email from someone willing to "hook me up" at cost for the above mentioned figures.
And I'm sure I never will.

My friend owns a toy shop and was seriously craving wave 2 and 3. I spent hours of my time scouring retail to locate him those figs. so that he could mark them up $3 in his store. I traded them to him for store credit because he didn't have the cash to drop on them. I made no profit on these. But would I have done that if they were worth 800% profit if I sold them online? Never. Because "I" believe it is "foolish". and nothing any body can say will reverse that. This is strictly my "opinion". Feel free to have yours gentlemen.

[Compulsive Collector]

CLAP,CLAP,CLAP......Bravo sir! 3 cheers for you that you don't need $70 How mature.

As far as analyzing the price I'm willing to pay for said items....that's what "I'm willing to pay". If I offered to pay $150 per figure I'm sure I'd get a few responses from people that could use the money. As of yet I've not received a single email from someone willing to "hook me up" at cost for the above mentioned figures.
And I'm sure I never will. Oh, I'm also sure of it, especially when you follow it with stuff like this:

But would I have done that if they were worth 800% profit if I sold them online? Never. Because "I" believe it is "foolish". and nothing any body can say will reverse that. Why would anyone go out of his/her way to help out someone who would "never" do the same?

[gunslingercbr]

As for this "scalper" witch-hunt that's going on, everyone needs to man-up and stop pretending to be Dudley Do-Right about the whole thing. Saying you'd sell something for $20 when you could get $100 for (to a complete stranger no less) is a borderline psychosis.

not true. I got hooked up on this board with a MOC yellow Stalker in exchange merely for a green stalker and Cobra Officer -- a huge loss in potential profit for him. that's the point, if we are truely a community here, we should be willing to sacrifice a few bucks to help each other out. that isn't a psychosis, that's community, and some people value that type of relationship and interaction more than a few dollars.

[Derek2783]

I think what people like myself are arguing is that those who are willing to sacrifice are making their own choices, and shouldn't lash out at/ridicule/demonize those who don't. I took mine to eBay to pay for medical bills, rather than offering cost + shipping to a member of this board. People like Flash 7.0 accused me of being a "bottom feeder", but was it wrong of me to use the means I had available to pay the bill?

On the flip side, gunslingercbr makes a great point - it's certainly NOT nuts to be willing to offer cost + shipping to a friend or fellow board member. My wife works for a doctor who routinely does work for free for low-income patients. He could make far more than the little amounts we're talking here off of them, but choses to help them for free, even though they're complete strangers. Is this "borderline psychosis"? I think we'd all agree it's noble.

The point I'm trying to make here is that both sides have valid points. Neither side has reason to argue with the other side, so lets agree to disagree and stop flinging poo at each other.

[Obiwanjacoby]

I think when it comes to the boards, there's emotional manipulation being done on both sides. This where the resentment grows and can potentially become permanent.

No one can make you do or "feel" anything in either direction (buy or sell).

Some feel they can sway the market via the debate floor. That absolutely can't happen because both the market and the voices are always changing. Sometimes even the individual is changing as they're trying to honestly figure it all out.

- Some try to verbally provoke others into selling at a lesser price.

- Some try to elicit sympathy or guilt-trip the market.

Neither of these tactics work anymore because the collector community has simply outgrown it all, both in maturity and in sheer numbers.

-PJ

[Compulsive Collector]

I think what people like myself are arguing is that those who are willing to sacrifice are making their own choices, and shouldn't lash out at/ridicule/demonize those who don't. On the flip side, gunslingercbr makes a great point - it's certainly NOT nuts to be willing to offer cost + shipping to a friend or fellow board member. Bingo on both points.

There is no good, bad, correct, incorrect, sensible, or "foolish" way to buy, sell, or collect toys. It's up to the individual to do as he/she wishes, and as long as we each do what makes us happy in our hobbies, that should be all that matters.

[Obiwanjacoby]

On the flip side, gunslingercbr makes a great point - it's certainly NOT nuts to be willing to offer cost + shipping to a friend or fellow board member. My wife works for a doctor who routinely does work for free for low-income patients. He could make far more than the little amounts we're talking here off of them, but choses to help them for free, even though they're complete strangers. Is this "borderline psychosis"? I think we'd all agree it's noble.

We're at a great crossroads here D. Sure "borderline psychosis" is really melodramatic, but look at the comparison just made ^^^ between toy collecting and medical care.

Wow. Sure toys are calming and therapeutic and all, but I think you're trying to pull too hard in the opposite extreme.

And when you "agree to disagree", it just leaves the issue unresolved and waiting for someone new to pick it up. You can't tell everyone, "leave that alone, because we should all agree to disagree (i.e. ignore it)." Because then you're telling someone not to talk about something for sake of quiet alone.

Then the warnings start; then the bans start to fly.

-PJ

[Obiwanjacoby]

not true. I got hooked up on this board with a MOC yellow Stalker in exchange merely for a green stalker and Cobra Officer -- a huge loss in potential profit for him. that's the point, if we are truely a community here, we should be willing to sacrifice a few bucks to help each other out. that isn't a psychosis, that's community, and some people value that type of relationship and interaction more than a few dollars.

Bear in mind though that this naturally drifts into the territory of whether we're buying our friends or not.

I like to think of the community as separate from the business, but they cross over too much. Regardless, I know people here that I like for who they are above what they can potentially offer me. EDIT: Most of whom have nothing to offer me that I'm interested in, and they're still nice guys all the same. :) Ooh, there's an original idea.

But then the issue of the popularity contest comes into play as well. And our plastic has the potential to fuel that. Depending on the trustworthiness and consistency of the leadership, it can earn you friends as well as buy your way out of jail all over the internet.

-PJ

[GunghosLipHair]

well, im just gonna put this out there. seeing how i was down range when the hoopla for a piper figure was going on and i missed numerous chances at getting one.... i need one-- anyone got one for sale? moc or a loosie. pm me your price

[GunghosLipHair]

and on topic, i will sell certain items for a profit other times i just buy two and try my best to get rid of the other one to someone who really honestly wants it. i dont scalp at stores but i have gone online for exclusives in the past (mostly statues and busts) and sell them for a profit. then i take said profits and buy action figures and other collectables. its the circle of my collecting life. i def try not to rip anyone off and i will try my best to help people out. for example. if i saw 3 yellow stalkers i would buy one for moc, one loose, and one for someone who i think honestly wouldnt sell it. if that doesnt work i will sell it for a profit. if i can only get two i would moc one and get rid of the other.

[OUTBACK]

I think when it comes to the boards, there's emotional manipulation being done on both sides. This where the resentment grows and can potentially become permanent.

No one can make you do or "feel" anything in either direction (buy or sell).

Some feel they can sway the market via the debate floor. That absolutely can't happen because both the market and the voices are always changing. Sometimes even the individual is changing as they're trying to honestly figure it all out.

- Some try to verbally provoke others into selling at a lesser price.

- Some try to elicit sympathy or guilt-trip the market.

Neither of these tactics work anymore because the collector community has simply outgrown it all, both in maturity and in sheer numbers. -PJ

great points Obiwan, it's all true.

[Derek2783]

We're at a great crossroads here D. Sure "borderline psychosis" is really melodramatic, but look at the comparison just made ^^^ between toy collecting and medical care.

Wow. Sure toys are calming and therapeutic and all, but I think you're trying to pull too hard in the opposite extreme.

And when you "agree to disagree", it just leaves the issue unresolved and waiting for someone new to pick it up. You can't tell everyone, "leave that alone, because we should all agree to disagree (i.e. ignore it)." Because then you're telling someone not to talk about something for sake of quiet alone.

Then the warnings start; then the bans start to fly.

-PJ

PJ, I probably should have been more clear. I didn't say collecting was on the same level as medical care. I was making the point that doing something nice without profit is not "borderline psychosis". If the doc can do it and sacrifice thousands of dollars and not be thought insane, surely someone can be nice to a board member at the <$100 level and be perfectly normal. That's all I was saying there, don't read too far into it.

But without agreeing to disagree, either the arugment continues to grow or one side has to win. Clearly the former is undesirable and the latter is not going to happen so maybe we should all agree to simply lay down the battle and move on. Can you think of a better solution?

[OUTBACK]

i agree.

*even though to me, there never was a ..."battle".

[Xerofall]

Xero according to your logic, anyone who sells anything above what they paid is a "bad guy" huh? so every person who posts here, who listed items on eBay, is a bad guy?

that is what you are saying?

Only after I said I would not do it. I'm not talking about anyone else but myself. Sorry for the confusion.

[Derek2783]

i agree.

*even though to me, there never was a ..."battle".

Well, when I get called a "bottom feeder" for selling a Yellow Stalker on eBay, there's certainly some small amount of conflict, if not a "battle" ;)

[Obiwanjacoby]

PJ, I didn't say collecting was on the same level as medical care.

For you Derek, I'm more than willing to back the truck up. If it wasn't on the same level, then why was medical care used as an example in the first place?

Why did that particular service come to mind? After all it's a necessity, and not a peripheral entertainment item such as an action figure.

So help me out.

I was making the point that doing something nice without profit is not "borderline psychosis".

No problem with that. Note that I agreed with you there.

If the doc can do it and sacrifice thousands of dollars and not be thought insane, surely someone can be nice to a board member at the <$100 level and be perfectly normal. That's all I was saying there, don't read too far into it.

Whoa-whoa. Look at what you said. It really reads to me as,
"If doc---> then toy dealer." WTF? :(

You don't think it's in any way an extreme example of the opposite viewpoint, like saying "psychosis"? One member of the argument is trying to be our psyrink, the other is saying they're being starved of air, food, or medical care. :rolleyes:

But without agreeing to disagree, either the arugment continues to grow or one side has to win.

Maybe the argument can continue divorced from ego, howabout it? I respect you personally and only want to work on the topic itself; work closer to a conclusion.

Clearly the former is undesirable and the latter is not going to happen so maybe we should all agree to simply lay down the battle and move on. Can you think of a better solution?

We're working on that together, right? Giving up on it just allows for more endless "scalper" threads.

I would rather someone work with me and interact toward a solution, rather than walk away in resentment. If I make an absurd statement, please point it out. Deconstruct my argument and clear out the dross. We can eventually come up with a meme strong enough to squash future scalper threads.

Furthermore, it's a fun topic to play around with. . .in no regards to personal ego.

Just here to discuss it.

-PJ

[Obiwanjacoby]

Well, when I get called a "bottom feeder" for selling a Yellow Stalker on eBay, there's certainly some small amount of conflict, if not a "battle" ;)

Only if you take it personally. There's another way out. Did you ask him why he thought that? We're doing that right now. His thesis is being analyzed and deconstructed fot its truth value. And that's where your comfort comes from, because if what he said isn't necessarily "true" in all cases, then you're not really a bottom-feeder.

-PJ

[swafus]

I simply voiced my opinion on this "scalper witch-hunt" because I think people are getting painted as such unjustly. There is nothing wrong with re-selling something for profit. Anyone that does see a problem with it is trying to enforce their own agenda.

I'll admit that "borderline psychosis" was a strong term to use in a forum where the members tend to take everything literally. It was basically a fancy way of me saying that anyone that would deliberately sell something for cost instead of an 800% profit is "crazy". In my opinion it is completely un-realistic. That is "my" opinion. Some of you may agree, some of you may not. Either way, that is "your" opinion.

TO EACH,.....HIS OWN #4

I have no problem trading or selling for cost (certain things) with anyone on this site. But I will not be lumped into a "scalper" category because I can make a profit off of a rare item!

I really don't know how much more life this argument has?

P.S. I'm not really looking for any nor do I expect any of the items in my previous posts. I was simply using them as examples to make a point.

[Derek2783]

For you Derek, I'm more than willing to back the truck up. If it wasn't on the same level, then why was medical care used as an example in the first place?

Why did that particular service come to mind? After all it's a necessity, and not a peripheral entertainment item such as an action figure.


Well, I used the example for two reasons. One is, it was readily available, since my wife works for him. Secondly, I was trying to illustrate that if he can forgo large scale dollars for total strangers, surely its not rediculous for someone to give up small scale dollars. I wasn't saying they were on the same level, in fact I was trying to state quite the opposite ;)

I also probably should have mentioned that he's a plastic surgeon, so the work he does pro bono is often not medically necessary, IE removing lumps that are not cancerious for low-income patients.

Either way, the point was that neither side is foolish.

[Obiwanjacoby]

Well, I used the example for two reasons. One is, it was readily available, since my wife works for him. Secondly, I was trying to illustrate that if he can forgo large scale dollars for total strangers, surely its not rediculous for someone to give up small scale dollars. I wasn't saying they were on the same level, in fact I was trying to state quite the opposite

Oh. . .greater to lesser comparison. Awesome.

See? We have clarification now. :cool:

When explained like that, it's a brilliant comparison that makes me pause over the chessboard for a bit. :D

I stand corrected and retract my statements.

-PJ

[C.I.A.D.]

Folks, I really do believe we've beat this horse to death, brought him back to life, then smacked him around alittle more just for shits & giggles.

I will say this in closing:

Every time you put gas in your car, someone paid less for it and is selling it to you for more.

Every time you see something on eBay...9 times out of 10, someone paid less than what they're selling it for.

AOL Keyword = Captialism

Live it. Love it.

Now, can someone get Nem a friggin' Yellow Stalker since we hijacked his thread? ;)

[Commtech]

Now, can someone get Nem a friggin' Yellow Stalker since we hijacked his thread? ;)


And me!! Commtech. I also need one! :) Thanks!

[OUTBACK]

I really don't know how much more life this argument has?

not much my friend...it's on it's final breathe like C.I.A.D. just said..


Well, when I get called a "bottom feeder" for selling a Yellow Stalker on eBay, there's certainly some small amount of conflict, if not a "battle" ;)

you got off easy...lol. did you see what they called me when i put up a picture of 6 cases + 6 officers?? lol...

[CobraSaboteur]

I wouldn't pay over $20 for the yellow Stalker. They're not as rare as others might want you to think. From a credible source.

Hmm...I beleive when wave 3 started to just hit i remember reading something about pre-order cases of wave 3 from places like bbts or entertainment earth would most likely have a yellow stalker in them.

I have no idea where i read that from but that would be cool if it did!

anyone who's gotten a case from bbts find a yellow stalker in their's?

[swafus]

Folks, I really do believe we've beat this horse to death, brought him back to life, then smacked him around alittle more just for shits & giggles.

I will say this in closing:

Every time you put gas in your car, someone paid less for it and is selling it to you for more.

Every time you see something on eBay...9 times out of 10, someone paid less than what they're selling it for.

AOL Keyword = Captialism

Live it. Love it.

Now, can someone get Nem a friggin' Yellow Stalker since we hijacked his thread? ;)

Exactly! This horse is now dogfood. LOL

[Nemesis_Enforcer]

Hmm...I beleive when wave 3 started to just hit i remember reading something about pre-order cases of wave 3 from places like bbts or entertainment earth would most likely have a yellow stalker in them.

I have no idea where i read that from but that would be cool if it did!

anyone who's gotten a case from bbts find a yellow stalker in their's?

I preordered mine through BBTS pretty much the day they made it available to preorder and I didn't receive my case until a few weeks after the figs started hitting the shelves and no yellow Stalker inside. I preordered my Cobra Legions 5 pack the same day and I should be getting it today via UPS.