Clone Wars No Spoiler review

[shockblast]

OK without telling you anything. Nap during the 1st 40 minutes of the movie. Then go to the bathroom and take healthy 10-15 minute dump. Then you will walk into the theater and laugh so hard that you will be glad you took that poop. If lucas is embarrassed about the 78 special, this film will be considered his comic revival. Itchy Lumby and Maula were serious characters compared to the new members of the star wars universe. I didn't stay for the closing credits but I suspect there had to be a dedication to Harvey Corman. Bea Arthurs super sexy dance moves can now be considered serious Star Wars lore after this film. Thanks George that was worth every penny. This is the funniest film I've seen in years.

PS, If you didn't find this funny stop taking your values and cues in life from a movie. Another words if you are offended grow up

[WildWeasel]

Star Wars funny? Oh Lucas you have failed me twice this year.

[Tanksmasher]

Shockblast,

So I take it this film was full of the same old boring, drawn-out politics and over-plot development that plagued the prequels? I was thinking of going to it this afternoon. Was it really that bad? I thought the trailer was very cool, but to hear this is just downright depressing!

[Dream]

I think you meant "IN OTHER WORDS", another words makes no sense.
So the movie sucks?
I figured it wouldn't really be that good, as it's just the intro to the tv show anyway.
Still interested to see what stupid shit Anakin does to get his padawan killed.

[Noizeindex]

I had some average hopes for this movie, but after watching the G4 Celebration Japan special last night I'm very afraid. Hopefully "Force Unleashed" can undo what has been done.

[82joe]

Oh go ahead and spoil it.....I want the plot and what happend. It's not like you spilling the beans is going to change anyones mind. You're either gonna see it or not. I just want to know should I see it in the theatre or just get the DVD? Spill it man.....

[paulpratt]

Anything that George Lucas touches turns to liquid shite.

[Bac]

My review as published on my site:

Star Wars The Clone Wars Review: Lucas Aims Young (http://www.thehdroom.com/news/Star_Wars_The_Clone_Wars_Review_Lucas_Aims_Young/3286)

[82joe]

My review as published on my site:

Star Wars The Clone Wars Review: Lucas Aims Young (http://www.thehdroom.com/news/Star_Wars_The_Clone_Wars_Review_Lucas_Aims_Young/3286)


Kind of what I thought.......The desire to see it in the theatre may sway me.......I'm almost certain I'll regret it. It's like a car wreck....you don't wanna look but you do anyway.

[sgt.bludhound]

I'd rather see tropic thunder. I already Got ripped off seeing Star wars III.................

[82joe]

I already Got ripped off seeing Star wars III.................

I dunno...I think III was the best of the newer films. It was the most like the originals out of the new trilogy. To be honest even Jedi was a bit silly. Even back in 1983 (I was 11 at the time) I knew it was no Empire or Star Wars (A New Hope....whatever)...........the figures were starting to bore me too......but then again they were in competition with GI JOE and I think we all know who won that battle.

[rob0213]

We went last night to the midnight showing.......and there was a total of about 50 people there. Really sad. Movie wasn't that terrible, about what i expected. Really geared towards younger viewers. George Lucus is completely lost now. He's bought into the hype that he can do no wrong, and as a result, constantly does wrong.

[rob0213]

And the way this movie opened, with the theme song and opening credits, was absolutely criminal. Almost walked out at that, lol.

[gunslingercbr]

George Lucus is completely lost now. He's bought into the hype that he can do no wrong, and as a result, constantly does wrong.

what hype says Lucas can do no wrong? the majority of hype around him is he can do no right and his films suck. the only defense of him is usually the specious "you didn't like it because of your own expectations" argument the Lucas lambs scream about, but that is far from hype for him.

his problem is that he doesn't care what people think, he is completely wrapped up in his own interests, and he has enough people who will see his garbage no matter what, so why would he ever do differently. but that isn't the same as saying he buys into some sort of hype about himself that really is non-existent.

[Mr. Focus]

G.I.Eddie made me watch the Clone Wars vol. 1 & 2 about a month ago. I'm not a SW fan but I was so amazed with the ARC Troopers that I bought almost thirty CW figures, at TRU midnight madness, to re-enact 'The Hunt for Grievous' scene (I prefer the new CW style so I passed on the original 'Hunt for Grievous' BP that is currently available).

Quite naturally I'm stoked about the movie because of the animated version. After seeing the midnight showing... I'm returning all CW paraphernalia! At least I took some really cool pics with the '501st Legion' and I scored a movie kids meal...lightly salted popcorn, fruit punch slurpee and care bear gummy bears FTW!

If George would’ve put Captain Fordo in the move instead of Anakin’s new padawon it would’ve been AWESOME…to see Captain Fordo!

[rob0213]

His hype is created by those around him. Take Indiana Jones for example. BY many accounts, this was far from the best of the bunch, but many people saw it because it was Indy and hyped a ton. All of the diffrent endorsements, etc contribute to that. The movie made a ton of money and yet I can't find anyone that went who actually liked it. Clone Wars is the same. All the Star Wars people in my area (Detroit) were literally frothing at the mouth. It may not be Lucus hyping this crap, but a lot of people do. This is a big part of the reason Lucus is the way he is. He doesn't care about anyone but himself. Doesn't matter to him that the people who spend their money make or break his movies.
That's his perogitive, and that's fine. But as someone who does like Star Wars its sad to see how little he really seems to care.

[RolandofGilead]

I'd rather see tropic thunder. I already Got ripped off seeing Star wars III.................

I'm sorry to disagree, but Revenge of the Sith was a damned fine film, not to mention one of the best Star Wars movies ever made. It was written the most like the original 1977 film and yet gave deeper meaning and value to each of the preceeding films.

what hype says Lucas can do no wrong? the majority of hype around him is he can do no right and his films suck. the only defense of him is usually the specious "you didn't like it because of your own expectations" argument the Lucas lambs scream about, but that is far from hype for him.

his problem is that he doesn't care what people think, he is completely wrapped up in his own interests, and he has enough people who will see his garbage no matter what, so why would he ever do differently. but that isn't the same as saying he buys into some sort of hype about himself that really is non-existent.

Glad to see the old time "Yes Man" arguments of 1997 back like a blast from the past. Now all we need to do is discuss how childhoods were destroyed by cheesily making an alien misfire before the spice smuggler smokes him and your journey towards the dark side will be complete.

Or maybe we can talk about how the dialogue is no match for the shakespearian poetry of the original trilogy, or that actors can't pretend they're talking to aliens in front of green screen even though that's pretty much what theater has been since it's inception. Better yet, I haven't heard anyone talk about how the Matrix films were going to be what the Prequels should have been (oh yeah, they kinda choked on their own self importance). How about that Peter Jackson. The greatest damned writer/director of fantasy since Lucas went insane with greed (although there was the fact that he adapted what was already the greatest piece of fantasy fiction in our time and that piece of crap King Kong didn't impress much).

Lay them on me, I've heard them all before and nothing's changed in the past 12 years.

[gunslingercbr]

Glad to see the old time "Yes Man" arguments of 1997 back like a blast from the past. Now all we need to do is discuss how childhoods were destroyed by cheesily making an alien misfire before the spice smuggler smokes him and your journey towards the dark side will be complete.

Or maybe we can talk about how the dialogue is no match for the shakespearian poetry of the original trilogy, or that actors can't pretend they're talking to aliens in front of green screen even though that's pretty much what theater has been since it's inception. Better yet, I haven't heard anyone talk about how the Matrix films were going to be what the Prequels should have been (oh yeah, they kinda choked on their own self importance). How about that Peter Jackson. The greatest damned writer/director of fantasy since Lucas went insane with greed (although there was the fact that he adapted what was already the greatest piece of fantasy fiction in our time and that piece of crap King Kong didn't impress much).

Lay them on me, I've heard them all before and nothing's changed in the past 12 years.
I'm confused, was that in reference to my post that you quoted?

[fireflyguy]

I'll go see it with my 4 year old son. He'll like it, because he's starting to get into SW a little. I don't have any opinion about George Lusas one way or another. I mean, when you think about it, almost all of the Star Wars films are cheesy to one degree or another. I mean, really, they are. But it's sci fi. It's supposed to be fun. It's supposed to be an escape. Think about the GI Joe cartoon -- cheesy. The comic books are pretty good (most of them) overall, but they are a little cheesy. Yet we spend money on them. I buy SW and Joe stuff because it helps me reconnect with my childhood. It's nostalgic. Maybe we're not supposed to think that these movies are good at most of our ages; some people think we need to grow up anyhow. But whatever. It's still fun being a kid sometimes.

[Lo-Wan Bing]

Big surprise Star Wars getting ripped on the G.I.joe board. I don't know why it's always been G.I.Joe vs. Star Wars for so many people (and we all DO know who won that battle. If it wasn't for Star Wars there would be no G.I.joe as we know it, there would only be G.I.Joe:Man of action) The Clone Wars wasn't bad... not the best movie I saw this summer, but my son (8) -that the movie is obviously made for- loved it. The battles were very cool and it had less corny moments than the Prequeals (which I also enjoyed) It's fun to see if you have kids that like Star Wars (Rotta the hutt and anything with battle droids is pretty dang funny) or if 'you' like Star Wars, if not, there's nothing for you to see here anyways.

[rob0213]

Just giving my thoughts. Not Bashing it, just being honest. If you liked it, cool. I am allowed to be both a SW and Joe fan. There were things about it that I liked, just overall I was dissapointed.

[spacemonkeymafia]

OK without telling you anything. Nap during the 1st 40 minutes of the movie. Then go to the bathroom and take healthy 10-15 minute dump. Then you will walk into the theater and laugh so hard that you will be glad you took that poop. If lucas is embarrassed about the 78 special, this film will be considered his comic revival. Itchy Lumby and Maula were serious characters compared to the new members of the star wars universe. I didn't stay for the closing credits but I suspect there had to be a dedication to Harvey Corman. Bea Arthurs super sexy dance moves can now be considered serious Star Wars lore after this film. Thanks George that was worth every penny. This is the funniest film I've seen in years.

PS, If you didn't find this funny stop taking your values and cues in life from a movie. Another words if you are offended grow up

Say What?????? The movie was good...the plot was so..so.....but you know if you didnt want to waist your money you could have waited a month and saw it for free on Cartoon Network........

[spacemonkeymafia]

I'd rather see tropic thunder. I already Got ripped off seeing Star wars III.................

Well I got my moneys worth seeing EP III....best of the prequels and sorry to say as big a Joe Fan as I am The Joe Movie will never be as good or make as much money as EP III........

By the way Clone wars is a Good Afternoon movie.........blah you haters......

[spacemonkeymafia]

Big surprise Star Wars getting ripped on the G.I.joe board. I don't know why it's always been G.I.Joe vs. Star Wars for so many people (and we all DO know who won that battle. If it wasn't for Star Wars there would be no G.I.joe as we know it, there would only be G.I.Joe:Man of action) The Clone Wars wasn't bad... not the best movie I saw this summer, but my son (8) -that the movie is obviously made for- loved it. The battles were very cool and it had less corny moments than the Prequeals (which I also enjoyed) It's fun to see if you have kids that like Star Wars (Rotta the hutt and anything with battle droids is pretty dang funny) or if 'you' like Star Wars, if not, there's nothing for you to see here anyways.

Very True I think The Joes your collecting today have Star Wars to thank.......Hasbro wanted tap into that Star Wars Ching Ching.....Lasers.....Big Bad Guy hidden behind a Mask.....Hell I believe GI Joe even went so far as to having figs in Space suits and then made Alien Figs...........

[RolandofGilead]

I'm confused, was that in reference to my post that you quoted?

No offense intended towards you and your post. It was just that your comment reminded me of the all the "Star Wars has gone down the toilet since 1983" stuff I've been reading for far too long. I personally don't understand how this kiddie cartoon puts "THE STAR WARS" in any more danger of infancy than did the old Ewoks and Droids cartoons of the '80s. Those weren't meant to be taken as holy scripture, why should this?

Big surprise Star Wars getting ripped on the G.I.joe board...

It's not just because you're on a GI Joe board, it's because this is the internet, where anti-lucas hatred has dwelt and festered since it's inception.

[Sonny Crockett]

I don't understand why no spoilers? It's not like anything that happens in the movie or the follwing series is gonna affect the continuity significantly.

This thing is filler, nothing more. Now Hasbro can justify 100 more Clone troopers with slightly different paint jobs.

[gunslingercbr]

No offense intended towards you and your post. It was just that your comment reminded me of the all the "Star Wars has gone down the toilet since 1983" stuff I've been reading for far too long. I personally don't understand how this kiddie cartoon puts "THE STAR WARS" in any more danger of infancy than did the old Ewoks and Droids cartoons of the '80s. Those weren't meant to be taken as holy scripture, why should this?


I don't have a problem with kiddie, ROTJ is kiddie. the problem with the prequels and apparently this movie is that they simply aren't good.

[BBTS Owns ME]

You people are all so negative. The movie was good. It was fun, it was funny, it was full of action and it made sense what was going on.

Why do star wars fans hate star wars so much?

[spacemonkeymafia]

I don't have a problem with kiddie, ROTJ is kiddie. the problem with the prequels and apparently this movie is that they simply aren't good.

That is what you say.........I think they were great!!!!

[spacemonkeymafia]

Spoiler ...................






It was fun....funny.....action......made since......pretty to look at.......plot was ok........movie was made for kids..........but even adults got into .......at least when you walk into a store looking for Star Wars Figures you know they will be on the shelves........

[RolandofGilead]

I don't have a problem with kiddie, ROTJ is kiddie. the problem with the prequels and apparently this movie is that they simply aren't good.

That's a matter of opinion. I think the first two were pretty good, and that the third was damned great. That doesn't mean either of us are wrong. Just that we disagree.

Honestly, as a huge SW fan, I had no real interest in this movie. I figured that everything that needed to be said already has and that we got a Clone Wars cartoon before, why do we need a second? If I do see it, it will be only because my daughter thinks Rota(?) the Hutt looks cute.

This movie could be good, or crap and it won't change anything about the films. And we can disagree about the Prequels gunslinger, and still be friends. It's not like I make fun of your penchant for making 25th figures out of so many post 1987 characters.

Oh wait, I do. :D

[spacemonkeymafia]

That's a matter of opinion. I think the first two were pretty good, and that the third was damned great. That doesn't mean either of us are wrong. Just that we disagree.

Honestly, as a huge SW fan, I had no real interest in this movie. I figured that everything that needed to be said already has and that we got a Clone Wars cartoon before, why do we need a second? If I do see it, it will be only because my daughter thinks Rota(?) the Hutt looks cute.

This movie could be good, or crap and it won't change anything about the films. And we can disagree about the Prequels gunslinger, and still be friends. It's not like I make fun of your penchant for making 25th figures out of so many post 1987 characters.

Oh wait, I do. :D

Yes you are right....and by the way tell your daughter shes right...Im a grown man and that slug was cute as hell.........

[RolandofGilead]

She's already got me looking for the action figure in the stores. This from my Disney Princess loving daughter who goes in my room and tells me Star Wars and Transformers are for "icky boys." Say what you want about Lucas kidifying Star Wars, but he's finally garnered my little girl's interest after I've spent the last 5 years with no luck.

[spacemonkeymafia]

Well most people forget is hes trying to make movies that remind him
of being a kid...........in which what the movies are made for........KIDS. His movies are all in the top money makers....so he must know a little about alittle........but then some people will say money doesnt make a movie great....well tell that to the movie Execs........The last movie that i saw that was sold out like TDK was Ep. III......which was just as good as Empire in my book. Face it you have Star Wars haters on this board......but again they need to thank SW for the GI Joe they are collecting today.....if not it would still be the Barbi Joes.....and I would never have picked those up as a kid or even wanted those for Christmas............The movie is good...not great....but if you dont want to waist your money wait for the show in Sept......it starts with the movie.........

And I really doubt the Joe movie will be sold out or even last two weeks (I want it to be a blockbuster) I see it going straight to DVD.........

[Paul]

For the record I can't stand Phantom Menace, but I love a lot of AOTC and I loved ROTS. I think I'll like the cartoon, but I'm not expecting a whole lot.

[gunslingercbr]

That's a matter of opinion. I think the first two were pretty good, and that the third was damned great. That doesn't mean either of us are wrong. Just that we disagree.

Honestly, as a huge SW fan, I had no real interest in this movie. I figured that everything that needed to be said already has and that we got a Clone Wars cartoon before, why do we need a second? If I do see it, it will be only because my daughter thinks Rota(?) the Hutt looks cute.

This movie could be good, or crap and it won't change anything about the films. And we can disagree about the Prequels gunslinger, and still be friends. It's not like I make fun of your penchant for making 25th figures out of so many post 1987 characters.

Oh wait, I do. :D


I wouldn't try to convince you that you shouldn't like the prequels; I'm just dumbfounded that you do. :D

seriously, though, we've discussed this before, and I understand the perspective you're coming from. my problems with them is and always will be the piss poor characters and characterizations and the adolescent exposition of them all.

the over-arching political plot is fantastic, it was just poorly executed. the idea, put in the hands of just a good writer and director, could have been better than the original trilogy. the plot is just much deeper and would have been phenomenal. instead, Lucas dumbed it down and turned it into childish fare. and there is a big difference between appealing to children and being childish. like I said, ROTJ is kiddie and appeals to children. A Land Before Time is childish. big difference between the two, and the prequels fell closer to TLBT than ROTJ in it's characters and exposition.

[spacemonkeymafia]

I wouldn't try to convince you that you shouldn't like the prequels; I'm just dumbfounded that you do. :D

seriously, though, we've discussed this before, and I understand the perspective you're coming from. my problems with them is and always will be the piss poor characters and characterizations and the adolescent exposition of them all.

the over-arching political plot is fantastic, it was just poorly executed. the idea, put in the hands of just a good writer and director, could have been better than the original trilogy. the plot is just much deeper and would have been phenomenal. instead, Lucas dumbed it down and turned it into childish fare. and there is a big difference between appealing to children and being childish. like I said, ROTJ is kiddie and appeals to children. A Land Before Time is childish. big difference between the two, and the prequels fell closer to TLBT than ROTJ in it's characters and exposition.

Im dumbfounded you dont..........

[Lo-Wan Bing]

She's already got me looking for the action figure in the stores. QUOTE]

Ahsoka and Rotta have a street date of 10/1

[QUOTE=BBTS Owns ME;260334]You people are all so negative. The movie was good. It was fun, it was funny, it was full of action and it made sense what was going on.

Why do star wars fans hate star wars so much?

Geek-cred. You don't really love Star Wars if you love the prequeals. :) (That being said: when I say I love StarWars, that's ep. 1,2,3,4,5,6 and all the little bits in between)

[spacemonkeymafia]

[QUOTE=RolandofGilead;260386]She's already got me looking for the action figure in the stores. QUOTE]

Ahsoka and Rotta have a street date of 10/1



Geek-cred. You don't really love Star Wars if you love the prequeals. :) (That being said: when I say I love StarWars, that's ep. 1,2,3,4,5,6 and all the little bits in between)

I love all the movies........Star Wars kicks ass as did the Clone Wars movie.......

[RolandofGilead]

I wouldn't try to convince you that you shouldn't like the prequels; I'm just dumbfounded that you do. :D

seriously, though, we've discussed this before, and I understand the perspective you're coming from. my problems with them is and always will be the piss poor characters and characterizations and the adolescent exposition of them all.



You mean like the naive farmboy, the princess, and the pirate who ban together to fight an obviously evil badguy all the while using cheap one-one liner slams against each other to show they care and adolescent exposition to move the (slight) plot forward?


the over-arching political plot is fantastic, it was just poorly executed. the idea, put in the hands of just a good writer and director, could have been better than the original trilogy. the plot is just much deeper and would have been phenomenal. instead, Lucas dumbed it down and turned it into childish fare. and there is a big difference between appealing to children and being childish. like I said, ROTJ is kiddie and appeals to children. A Land Before Time is childish. big difference between the two, and the prequels fell closer to TLBT than ROTJ in it's characters and exposition.

Again, that's your opinion, and you're welcome to it. While I thought Phantom Menace was just as kiddie as Return of the Jedi, (which makes sense when your targeted audience is a new generation of kids, and not the old generation who were going to see it anyways). I thought it went deeper and darker than even Empire Strikes Back as the series progressed.

I'd argue further, but I lost all the piss and vinegar I had coming back from lunch after getting lucky and ordering an entire set of Wave 9 from HTS. I'm just not in an argumentative mood anymore. :D

[gunslingercbr]

You mean like the naive farmboy, the princess, and the pirate who ban together to fight an obviously evil badguy all the while using cheap one-one liner slams against each other to show they care and adolescent exposition to move the (slight) plot forward?

no, I mean the 10 year old boy who accidentally saves the day like Frank Drebin in the Naked Gun, the greasy Mel's Diner short order cook alien informant, and riding a loud, squaking lizard to sneak up on your enemy (WTF?!?).

I know you don't believe the OT to be brilliant fare which is why you also enjoy the prequels, but c'mon ,you honestly can't say the silliness from the OT is even comparable to the silliness of the prequels.

[RolandofGilead]

First off, Li'l Ani didn't "accidentally" save anything anymore than Luke "accidentally" blew up the Death Star. It's called the Force. and while Luke had to be coaxed into letting go and letting it guide him to victory, Anakin (as a kid) let the Force take over naturally. "feel don't think" were Qui-gon's words of advice to him and nobody is more adept at letting go of thought than a ten year old. :D

And I do believe that the OT was excellently done. The problem I have is that for some it's become more than a space opera, but a religion and all the goofy one liners and silly characters got forgotten on it's way to sainthood. Then when these same themes and writing styles re-appear in the unfamiliar prequels, well, that's like discovering the books of Bob, Tom and Harry were missing from the New Testament all these years.

[paulpratt]

Wow, Star Wars as compared to religion... wow...

Anakin didn't use any force or enhanced abilities. He flew into the hanger, and accidentally shot his torpedoes because he didn't know how to fly the ship. He replied to the situation with an "oops." That is equivalent of a Marx Brothers picture.

[paulpratt]

no, I mean the 10 year old boy who accidentally saves the day like Frank Drebin in the Naked Gun...

This is just awesome.

Star Wars is like two guys, shooting guns at each other, from five feet apart, behind the cover of garbage cans.

When i was a kid i lived for Star Wars, but now i just can't get into it. If i didn't have a six year old who loves it i would avoid all the toys and merchandise.

Space Balls 2: The Search for More Money

Sums it u nicely.

I will take my son to see the Clone Wars. He loves Star Wars and that's ok with me. I personally, like the animated Clone Wars cartoons better than the movies themselves. I like the stylized artwork and i hope that the less George Lucas has to do with Star Wars, the better it will be. Knights of the Old Republic, and hopefully, the force unleashed, are examples of good star wars with little george lucas writing involved.

[Headman]

That's a matter of opinion.



And a widely held opinion at that. The general consensus is that the first two movies of the new trilogy weren't good. The third is a mixed bag. I've been known to enjoy things that even I know suck (Dic Series) but far be it from me to call someone out for pointing out the obvious decline in quality even If I enjoyed it for my own stupid reasons.

[Lo-Wan Bing]

Wow, Star Wars as compared to religion... wow...

Anakin didn't use any force or enhanced abilities. He flew into the hanger, and accidentally shot his torpedoes because he didn't know how to fly the ship. He replied to the situation with an "oops." That is equivalent of a Marx Brothers picture.

that's just not getting it. it's not an accident regardless of what the 10yr old says. That's the nature of the force (just like Luke 'accidentally' blocking the shots from the training remote) He pulled the trigger and hit just the right spot to blow the droid control ship apart. That is the force in action.

[Lo-Wan Bing]

And a widely held opinion at that. .

a widely "voiced" opinion is not the same thing as a widely held opinion. From reading the avrg forum here discussing the TF movie you would think everyone but 1 or 2 people hated it. But when it's a "blind" poll where one just has to click a tab, well then you see that most people actually liked the movie regardless of the "loud" forum posters that repeatedly say how bad it sucked... A bad movie (regardless of what it is) is not going to make the kind of money the prequels made because those figures come from a lot of repeat viewing.

[Paul]

I really hate the whole "they're just making them for more money" well, yeah they probably are. It's the same thing for Paramount making more Star Trek, it's Marvel making movies, toys, comics, etc. and it's Hasbro making G.I. Joe figures. They're all in it to make money. Why single out Lucas for doing what every other corporation does on the planet? At least he was smart enough to own his own shit.

[paulpratt]

that's just not getting it. it's not an accident regardless of what the 10yr old says. That's the nature of the force (just like Luke 'accidentally' blocking the shots from the training remote) He pulled the trigger and hit just the right spot to blow the droid control ship apart. That is the force in action.

Its not an accident when he doesn't know how to work the controls. The force in action is him being able to fly a fighter inside of a 30x30 space with obstacles. If you want to get really nerd tastic on it, Qui-Gon says he is a good pilot (as in flying an actual ship) because of his reflexes. He still has to learn how to fly as ship, as illustrated by his hesitan start-up of the naboo fighter. Which he finds tricky throughout the entire scene.

Him blowing up a key system like the engine from the hanger is just poor writing.

[Lo-Wan Bing]

Him blowing up a key system like the engine from the hanger is just poor writing.

Him blowing up a key system like the engine from the hanger is just ... the force in action. We shall have to agree to disagree good sir :)

[paulpratt]

I really hate the whole "they're just making them for more money" well, yeah they probably are. It's the same thing for Paramount making more Star Trek, it's Marvel making movies, toys, comics, etc. and it's Hasbro making G.I. Joe figures. They're all in it to make money. Why single out Lucas for doing what every other corporation does on the planet? At least he was smart enough to own his own shit.

I agree with that, totally. You can't fault anyone for trying to make money. Thats why businesses exist. Even though i mock it, it's just an easy thing to say.
I'm not mad at Hasbro for anything, i wish they would make some of the star wars figures bend at the knees more often, but that is really my only complaint about the figures.

I'm mad a Lucas, more or less, for allowing the poor writing and sloppy direction. He has a limitless imagination, which i admire. He has the business cunning of the best wall street sharks, but he cannot drive a performance from an actor. He can't write lines that aren't riddled with cliches and that really make you feel for a character's struggle. The whole prequel trilogy should be filled with moments that make you really cry as anakin falls from grace, but it's just no existant. He has just lost a lot of steam. He is an amazing producer and developer, but the less stake he claims in the writing and direction, the better.

[Headman]

a widely "voiced" opinion is not the same thing as a widely held opinion. From reading the avrg forum here discussing the TF movie you would think everyone but 1 or 2 people hated it. But when it's a "blind" poll where one just has to click a tab, well then you see that most people actually liked the movie regardless of the "loud" forum posters that repeatedly say how bad it sucked... A bad movie (regardless of what it is) is not going to make the kind of money the prequels made because those figures come from a lot of repeat viewing.

The point about the difference between widely held and widely voiced opinions was excellent. Of course you kinda lost me with the point about bad movies not making lots of money. I can think of a few Batman movies that did just that. I saw Phantom Menace more times in the theater than I'd like to admit (a decade and a half without Star Wars will do that to you), and I'm one of the loud people who think near two hour films about trade embargos don't make great Star Wars films. Throw in an annoying kid and foreshadow statutory rape, sprinkle in some of the worst dialogue ever uttered on screen and you'll get a movie that encites some negative opinions.

[paulpratt]

Him blowing up a key system like the engine from the hanger is just ... the force in action. We shall have to agree to disagree good sir :)

The ship was aimed at the engine because it spun around until it faced that direction. The fact that he blew up the engine, is because: 1) he couldn't identify the fire control, because he didn't know the ship, and 2) the engine is conveniently located, openly, next to the hanger, which is, as i pointed out, convenient, and is sloppy writing.

Luke didn't "guide" the torpedo into the port of the Death Star. He simply allowed himself to be free of the burden and pressures that came with the tension of blowing up a multi-tri-zillion dollar space installation the size of a small moon (and a convenient, single torpedo doing said job, is again, poor writing). He just pulled the trigger and it happened. It was because he was calm, and at one with "the force," that allowed him to have a steady hand to complete such a daunting task. There is less "magic" involved in the force in the original movie than people like to believe. Forget the other films, and the expanded universe for a moment. It's less glamorus than it looks in the othe rmedia. The force is a state of being. Being able to accomplish a task if you put your mind to it.
Luke didn't magically deflect any laser blasts because of his "magic." He calmed himself and allowed his tension to die down and therefore, as Ben points out, instincts took over.

The magic and voodoo didn't come until later in the series. Which is partly to blame, because the intentions of Lucas writing the original Star Wars are not the intentions of why he wrote all others after. This is evident in his changes and constant self-defeating comments.

It's not a huge deal anyway. Movies are open to interpretation, that's half the fun. :D I think there is middle ground, but its difficult for everyone because Lucas' own motivations are never the same at any given point. So things like what the force does is always in flux. Like the force just being an energy, then it's microscopic germs inside your blood.

[paulpratt]

Just to summarize:
1) Lucas is inconsistent.
2) no deliberate usage of the force is prefaced by the word "oops."

[Lo-Wan Bing]

The point about the difference between widely held and widely voiced opinions was excellent. Of course you kinda lost me with the point about bad movies not making lots of money. .

yeah, sorry about that... sort of went into a mini-rant. What I meant was that if a movie is really bad... (i.e. your Batman example) people will see it when it opens because it is Batman. But they see how god-awful it is (we're talking Batman & Robin here... or is it Batman Forever... whichever) and it makes a lot of money on opening night and then quickly fizzes away. If as many people hated ROTS/AOTC/TPM as it feels like when your reading a forum, they would have seen it.. said "Holy crap this is bad" and gone their way. But they didn't. They kept coming back for more. That's not a bad movie. Maybe not somebody elses cup o'joe, but not a bad movie.

[Lo-Wan Bing]

Just to summarize:
1) Lucas is inconsistent.
2) no deliberate usage of the force is prefaced by the word "oops."

The force is still energy. Midi-chlorians (sp?) don't change that. It's just a way of interfacing with that energy than what people thought of. You talk to the midi-what-not's and they move the enrgy for you. the more midi-thingies in you, the better your mastery of that energy.

"in my experiance there is no such thing as luck" some jedi said something like that in one of those movies... who was that? Oh yeah. Obi-Wan Kenobi in Star Wars. That would seem to make a "lucky shot" a little more than just luck.

[gunslingercbr]

First off, Li'l Ani didn't "accidentally" save anything anymore than Luke "accidentally" blew up the Death Star. It's called the Force. and while Luke had to be coaxed into letting go and letting it guide him to victory, Anakin (as a kid) let the Force take over naturally. "feel don't think" were Qui-gon's words of advice to him and nobody is more adept at letting go of thought than a ten year old. :D


others have said it better, but Anakin wasn't using the Force in that scene. he was clearly fumbling around.

[Jdizzle66]

I'd rather see tropic thunder. I already Got ripped off seeing Star wars III.................

i got ripped off seeing episode 4,5,6 re-release and then episode 1,2,3.

I remember waiting in line for 13 hours to see episode 1. wooops! 2 hours of racial stereotype aliens and droids. rediculous


i hope they re-release indiana jones next with a bunch of unnecessary cgi scenes added in, and then change all the endings. that would be great

[paulpratt]

The force is still energy. Midi-chlorians (sp?) don't change that. It's just a way of interfacing with that energy than what people thought of. You talk to the midi-what-not's and they move the enrgy for you. the more midi-thingies in you, the better your mastery of that energy.

"in my experiance there is no such thing as luck" some jedi said something like that in one of those movies... who was that? Oh yeah. Obi-Wan Kenobi in Star Wars. That would seem to make a "lucky shot" a little more than just luck.

Well, i never said it was a lucky shot. Lucky shot means that you have a 50/50 shot of it happening. The force calmed him to the point of self realization. He had the ability to do it the whole time and used the force to feel the energy of that around him, that there was something larger than himself going on, and took a piece of that into himself. It brings confidence and focus. he made the shot with his own ability. He didn't need the computer to tell him how to do it. He "let go" of his tensions.

The force is based off of eastern religions, at least it was when it was first developed. Like i mentioned, the voodoo didn't come until later when lucas realized he had the ability to milk his humble story dry.

So in essence, we are both right. In my world, the way Lucas started, is my way. In your world, the way Lucas is now, that is your way. It happened the exact way we are both saying it, just for different reasons because Lucas has changed his story so many times.

[Lo-Wan Bing]

So in essence, we are both right. In my world, the way Lucas started, is my way. In your world, the way Lucas is now, that is your way. It happened the exact way we are both saying it, just for different reasons because Lucas has changed his story so many times.

in my world, the way lucas started is the way lucas is now. one and the same. his world. his stories. his characters. I accept Star Wars for what it was when I was 6 and what it is at 36. Good movies and cool toys (w/some ok comics/books and video games thrown in to boot) :)

[paulpratt]

in my world, the way lucas started is the way lucas is now. one and the same. his world. his stories. his characters. I accept Star Wars for what it was when I was 6 and what it is at 36. Good movies and cool toys (w/some ok comics/books and video games thrown in to boot) :)

There you go.

[mikect2000]

Big surprise Star Wars getting ripped on the G.I.joe board. I don't know why it's always been G.I.Joe vs. Star Wars for so many people (and we all DO know who won that battle. If it wasn't for Star Wars there would be no G.I.joe as we know it, there would only be G.I.Joe:Man of action) The Clone Wars wasn't bad... not the best movie I saw this summer, but my son (8) -that the movie is obviously made for- loved it. The battles were very cool and it had less corny moments than the Prequeals (which I also enjoyed) It's fun to see if you have kids that like Star Wars (Rotta the hutt and anything with battle droids is pretty dang funny) or if 'you' like Star Wars, if not, there's nothing for you to see here anyways.

i am a big star wars collector and fan, and a much smaller fan of gi joe. The clone wars will be ripped apart on star wars sites...just give it time. I enjoyed it. I told my wife and friends not to come with me, cause I knew they would not enjoy it, and i was right

[shockblast]

I knew I would draw out some self proclaimed lucas defenders. I would like to say you are the foolish people who are lucas's worst enemy. You no longer challenge him or make him work for the support of the fans. This is exactly why Star Wars will NOT remain timeless. I read a post asking why does it have to be GI Joe VS Star Wars. Well may I tell you in my mind it's not and never been. Star Wars films are my favorite films and I don't see that changing ever. I've seen Star Wars over 200 times. I don't bash the prequels at all. I also think Revenge of the Sith is amongst the best films made in the last 20 years. I love the original clone wars cartoons. I think the toys they are coming out with at the moment is overboard, but I still buy the stuff I really like. I've collected Star Wars all my life and honestly I have yet to meet a fan as in love with these films as me. I see collectors with huge collections and more money, but I really don't think thats how fandom should be judged. I wanted to love this movie, but it was just impossible. It cheapens everything I ever loved about star wars. I went to see it again tonight and my opinion is even worse after a 2nd viewing. IF YOU THINK BIG GAY JABBA and STINKY need to be part of the Star Wars universe, I don't even think you get it. I also think a computer generated cartoon out of ILM should be the best animated series ever, NOT THE worse. If it wasn't so bad it was funny I would have walked out of the theater. I actually would have but my wife told me she was staying so I had no choice. The reason for my post was not so much to bash the film but tell others to save their money and start a buzz online that this will not do. Hopefully changing some future episodes of this series into something watchable. It was also posted , just in case anyone who had anything to do with this film realizes they failed. THIS WAS THE WORST FILM I EVER PAID $8.50 for. GEORGE LUCAS OWES ME THE MONEY AND THE TIME I WASTED. To those of you who defend him, Im sorry you have such a low standard and opinion of Star Wars I guess it's just another movie to you. As a real true fan of Star Wars I think anyone who defends this film as an adult should just stay away from the collecting community you make true fans look like fools who follow as blind stupid cattle. If anyone is offended by this good you should be, get out of moms basement and get a job and a life instead of spending your whole day defnding lucas on a GI Joe sight. I love SW guys but girls are fun too.

[Falcone]

I think anyone who defends this film as an adult should just stay away from the collecting community you make true fans look like fools who follow as blind stupid cattle.
I'm sorry, I must have missed the memo stating that your opinion should be the guide that every fan must follow. And if not, they should just go away.
If anyone is offended by this good you should be
Offended? No, its too hard to be offended by anyone so arrogant and self absorbed.
get out of moms basement and get a job and a life
*Checks self* Yup, I moved out after getting out of high school. Served in the military, and currently have a well paying steady job.
and a life instead of spending your whole day defnding lucas on a GI Joe sight.
But I guess spending your whole day condemning Lucas on a GI Joe sight is different.
I love SW guys but girls are fun too.
Just another statement to show how childish you are. I like how you try to bring relationships into this, especially when many of the guys here are married with children.

[Crimson Rage]

I hate them using such detailed CGI visuals then making the characters deformed & ugly 'animated versions'. Seems pointless... (insightful review there!:))

[Derek2783]

I knew I would draw out some self proclaimed lucas defenders. I would like to say you are the foolish people who are lucas's worst enemy. You no longer challenge him or make him work for the support of the fans. This is exactly why Star Wars will NOT remain timeless. I read a post asking why does it have to be GI Joe VS Star Wars. Well may I tell you in my mind it's not and never been. Star Wars films are my favorite films and I don't see that changing ever. I've seen Star Wars over 200 times. I don't bash the prequels at all. I also think Revenge of the Sith is amongst the best films made in the last 20 years. I love the original clone wars cartoons. I think the toys they are coming out with at the moment is overboard, but I still buy the stuff I really like. I've collected Star Wars all my life and honestly I have yet to meet a fan as in love with these films as me. I see collectors with huge collections and more money, but I really don't think thats how fandom should be judged. I wanted to love this movie, but it was just impossible. It cheapens everything I ever loved about star wars. I went to see it again tonight and my opinion is even worse after a 2nd viewing. IF YOU THINK BIG GAY JABBA and STINKY need to be part of the Star Wars universe, I don't even think you get it. I also think a computer generated cartoon out of ILM should be the best animated series ever, NOT THE worse. If it wasn't so bad it was funny I would have walked out of the theater. I actually would have but my wife told me she was staying so I had no choice. The reason for my post was not so much to bash the film but tell others to save their money and start a buzz online that this will not do. Hopefully changing some future episodes of this series into something watchable. It was also posted , just in case anyone who had anything to do with this film realizes they failed. THIS WAS THE WORST FILM I EVER PAID $8.50 for. GEORGE LUCAS OWES ME THE MONEY AND THE TIME I WASTED. To those of you who defend him, Im sorry you have such a low standard and opinion of Star Wars I guess it's just another movie to you. As a real true fan of Star Wars I think anyone who defends this film as an adult should just stay away from the collecting community you make true fans look like fools who follow as blind stupid cattle. If anyone is offended by this good you should be, get out of moms basement and get a job and a life instead of spending your whole day defnding lucas on a GI Joe sight. I love SW guys but girls are fun too.


*rubs eyes*

*looks again*

*rubs eyes again*

What?

[Lantern_Lad]

I'd rather see tropic thunder. I already Got ripped off seeing Star wars III.................

People always get pissed at me for saying the same thing about II

[Derek2783]

People always get pissed at me for saying the same thing about II

Oddly, no one gets pissed at me for saying that about I.... :D

[Headman]

I'm sorry, I must have missed the memo stating that your opinion should be the guide that every fan must follow. And if not, they should just go away.



I am soooo sorry about that. I tried to get the memos out before the weekend but there was a problem with the letterhead and then there was a last minute re-write, but it's all set now and should be in your mail box by monday morning. Once again, sorry everybody. :)

[Lantern_Lad]

Oddly, no one gets pissed at me for saying that about I.... :D

I actually preferred I over II...

Just got back from seeing the Clone Wars...

It wasn't that bad...

It was too kiddish especially with all the stupid nicknames... and Zero (?) the Hutt's Cartman impersonation...

Otherwise, meh... I'll watch the show to see more Clone action (they were by far the best part)

[paulpratt]

I knew I would draw out some self proclaimed lucas defenders. I would like to say you are the foolish people who are lucas's worst enemy. You no longer challenge him or make him work for the support of the fans. This is... blah blah blah

Wow, that was nuts.

Ok, I admit, I'm critical about Star Wars, as you all have read earlier here, but I'm also a reformed Star Wars nerd. You know, memorizing ship lengths and weapons compliments type of nerd, but as i got older i started peeling away from all of that. Honestly, i just didn't have time or the pocketbook to keep up. I really enjoy the spirit of star wars and i appreciate it what it did for me as a kid and an adolescent.

As I mentioned, I think Lucas' constantly shifting opinions about his own work is to blame for a lot of peoples confrontation on the issue and there are varying levels of commitment a fan can make to the "property/ universe." I'm very critical of him as a "filmmaker" as opposed to being overly critical of Star Wars itself.

Anywho. I saw Clone Wars today with my son, and i was impressed. The story is obviously for kids and there were some goofy parts. The Droid comedy wasn't as nearly over the top as everyone made it out to be. The battles took up the majority of the film, which i had been given the impression that the film was lacking battles for 2/3rds of it's rather short length.

The relationship between Ashoka and Anakin is going to be great. The nicknames between the two might have been improved, but i could see a heart shining through, and i hold hope that things will get more emotional over time in the show. But i fear, like the prequel films, the emotions will not prevail. The prequel had so much emotional potential.

The artistic aspects of the film were amazing. I'm an artist, so i appreciate unique animated styles and this did not disappoint, but i totally understand why people are put off by it. Every frame looked like a painting. During the close up shots i felt as if i saw brush strokes and the color palettes throughout the film were simply breathtaking.

The possibility for the clones to become honest people are amazing in this show I'm really looking forward to it. The combat was a very nice mix of military and fantasy. It was great. I like how the film didn't pull punches in the way it allowed the clones to be killed. Even though i had seen the clone get snatched up and shot in the chest by the super battle droid, i was taken aback and felt for the poor bastard.I'm hoping the tv really makes me feel for these guys.

Another instance was when Captain Rex whispered something under his breathe at Anakin's order. Oh, man i can't gush over the potential of these stories enough.

My list of gripes were short and relatively simple.

Jedi Cruisers? Why call it that? Why can't they just be cruisers?

Tranvestite Hutts... wow. I thought it was a woman at first, which i was getting into the new orleans voodoo vibe, then Padme called him a "sir" and i was lost.

The CGI walking was a bit clumsy in scenes, but most of the errors are brief. Hopefully they can clean up anything like this as they get better at doing what they do.

The emotional iceberg is showing here, but we never see it's full depth. I want the show to be really emotional. War is a very emotional thing. I have a terrible feeling that whatever happens to Ashoka isn't going to be built up very well and that emotion will be wasted. I want her to mean something very much to Anakin and I want to be devestated, like Anakin when something/ if something happens to her. There is SO MUCH potential in this show.

I just want this show to have some emotional resonance. I want th emotions to be just as epic as the battles. I think that is what the prequels are missing. That's all i want.

Lucas would be in luck if he could CGI emotions.

[fred V]

You people are all so negative. The movie was good. It was fun, it was funny, it was full of action and it made sense what was going on.

Why do star wars fans hate star wars so much?

yes,stop the star wars hating,i'm with BBTS Owns ME.....

[jjk1120]

I don't think Star Wars fans HATE Star Wars, they're just not that happy with what's it's become.

This movie was okay, and that's the best I could say about it. It had it's really good parts (the battles ,Ventress) and it's bad (Anakin's padawan was almost unbearable). But the thing that disappoints me the most is the way it was dumbed down for kids. I think people in Hollywood don't get that kids will understand it even if you don't make it kiddie. We as a generation fell in love with a Star Wars that wasn't talking down to us. Empire Strikes Back was downright dark in some places. But this was almost unacceptable.
If I heard that Padawan call Anakin "Sky Guy" or R2-D2 "Artooy" one more time I was gonna retch.

I really was expecting more. But at least now I know what to expect when the series starts up. I'll still watch it for the good and drown out the bad.

But when does Resolute start again? :)