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PitViper
10-24-2011, 09:33 PM
I'm far from a Trekkie but I will say the older I get the more I appreciate Star Trek. TOS and TNG specifically.

I know I'll sound like everyone else whose already into it here but I'm a huge fan of Twilight Zone. Every single time I watch it I think "I can't believe how ahead of it's time this is, how there is such minimal effects but the big idea is just incredible...and done with such class." Now the more I watch Star Trek it's pretty much the same thing. If you can get passed some of the surface stuff I think the "big idea" some of the themes were presenting are borderline mind blowing.

So what is your favorite era? Ship? Episode? Character? Movie? Show?

Discuss!

mister-x
10-24-2011, 10:00 PM
Star Trek > Star Wars

PitViper
10-24-2011, 10:01 PM
Apples and Oranges. I can't compare the 2.

Owner of a Lonely B.A.T.
10-24-2011, 10:23 PM
Deep Space 9

"In The Pale Moonlight"

Sisko wanting to to the right thing in the Dominion War makes compromise after compromise for what he thinks is the best...and in the end he gets what he wanted...not exactly the way he wanted it, and all it cost him was his soul.

ST Deep Space Nine "In The Pale Moonlight" End Monologue - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-YyL7X4CWw)

Owner of a Lonely B.A.T.
10-24-2011, 10:30 PM
He basically does all of this to get the Romulans into the war on the side of the Federation.

Hard core stuff for not just Trek, but seriously its decisions I don't think any of the othe rCaptains would have made.

starbuck
10-24-2011, 10:31 PM
I've always been able to ignore the flaws and enjoy it.

The various shows and movies have their strengths and weaknesses, but if i were to pick favorites...

For a whole series it would be Deep Space Nine. Not so much that it was better than the others, but i seemed to enjoy it more.

To narrow it down to a season or two, it would be the final seasons of Voyager. Very fast paced, and it really brought the characters to life.

Favorite episode? The mirror universe 2-parter from Enterprise.

Best Captain: Kirk. Shirtless, oiled up, and giving a halting empassioned speech that really has no defined purpose, but you have to agree with what he's saying. Because he's Kirk.

PitViper
10-24-2011, 10:35 PM
Best Captain: Kirk. Shirtless, oiled up, and giving a halting empassioned speech that really has no defined purpose, but you have to agree with what he's saying. Because he's Kirk.

That's the best explanation ever.

I'm watching "The Captain's Summit" on YT and Shatner as much as I love him has just admitted to Patrick Stewart that he has never watched an episode of TNG.

I just wish he wouldve continued by saying "because I wasn't in it."

PitViper
10-24-2011, 10:39 PM
Deep Space 9

"In The Pale Moonlight"

Sisko wanting to to the right thing in the Dominion War makes compromise after compromise for what he thinks is the best...and in the end he gets what he wanted...not exactly the way he wanted it, and all it cost him was his soul.

ST Deep Space Nine "In The Pale Moonlight" End Monologue - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-YyL7X4CWw)

I'll be honest with you, this clip just made me want to go and buy the entire series. No bullshit I thought that was some of the best acting and some powerful as hell lines delivered right there.

How long after TNG does DS9 take place?

starbuck
10-24-2011, 10:58 PM
DS9 starts of in the middle of TNG's run. It's streaming on netflix right now...

Beckley
10-24-2011, 11:11 PM
Deep Space 9

"In The Pale Moonlight"

Sisko wanting to to the right thing in the Dominion War makes compromise after compromise for what he thinks is the best...and in the end he gets what he wanted...not exactly the way he wanted it, and all it cost him was his soul.


He basically does all of this to get the Romulans into the war on the side of the Federation.

Hard core stuff for not just Trek, but seriously its decisions I don't think any of the othe rCaptains would have made.

So true.
DS9 was such a great show, it never got the credit it deserved, it was so freaking dark!
Good times.

Owner of a Lonely B.A.T.
10-24-2011, 11:18 PM
I think what draws me to DS9 is that you never knew what was coming next...one week Dukat was an enemy the next your friend...you could get an entire episode around the station playing baseball, and then one where Nog loses his leg in the Dominion War.

I think I like the basic fact that not everything had a happy bow around it ending...some stuff did but not everything.

And the ending of the series...I mean I don't wanna give too much away but that last scene of Jake and Kira standing there was so damn sad...it has to be the saddest ending to a Trek series ever.

Owner of a Lonely B.A.T.
10-24-2011, 11:23 PM
I will warn everyone though the first couple of season of DS9 are a little bit of a mess...they really don't pull things together to well until the Dominion is introduced.

Big Spockowski
10-24-2011, 11:27 PM
Love Trek. Maybe it never reached the heights of Star Wars, but I don't think it ever turned the fans off as hard as Star Wars has and where Trek stayed on a pretty even keel quality wise, with some dips towards the end before the new movie, Star Wars-think about it, PEAKED 30 years ago and it will never be as good.

I DO like Star Wars, but not as much as I used to.

I love Trek. Have all the movies, and just got done reading Nicholas Meyer's autobiography (director of 2 and 6)

Owner of a Lonely B.A.T.
10-24-2011, 11:28 PM
The original series didn't really get an ending so I'd say Undiscovered Country was their wrap up...which ended on a high note.

TNG's series ended on a high note...hell even Nemesis has hope.

Voyager ends with them getting home.

And Enterprise at least ends with the forming of the Federation.

DS9....ends on such a down note...yes the War is over but you just feel like there was so much more that needed to be said, and were left on a huge down note.

PitViper
10-25-2011, 10:47 PM
Anyone have any cool toys or anything to share?

I have that old set from Playmates, which sucks and kicks ass at the same time. All the Capt and Commanders. I think it's 6 figures total.

I'll have to dig it up and take a pic.

Any cool 3 3/4 Enterprise anyone can recomend??...It seems Trek toys always fall short.

Owner of a Lonely B.A.T.
10-25-2011, 11:42 PM
Honestly I have most of the Playmates figures and their likely the best that covers the widest range of figures were likely to ever see.


BUT their Starships rocked....I have a few Enterprise D, Voyager, DS9, the TNG Klingon Warship, and the Romulan Warbird...I wish I had seen the Enterprise A or the E but I never saw those at retail and they STILL go for a pretty penny on ebay.

Owner of a Lonely B.A.T.
10-25-2011, 11:48 PM
Playmates also did a great line of various phasers and such.

pig iron grenadier
10-26-2011, 01:09 AM
Deep Space 9

"In The Pale Moonlight"

Sisko wanting to to the right thing in the Dominion War makes compromise after compromise for what he thinks is the best...and in the end he gets what he wanted...not exactly the way he wanted it, and all it cost him was his soul.

ST Deep Space Nine "In The Pale Moonlight" End Monologue - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-YyL7X4CWw)

I was waiting for the Old Spice to appear.

PitViper
10-26-2011, 08:58 PM
Lol^^^^

PitViper
10-26-2011, 09:00 PM
I kinda want the Mego style throwbacks, if I can find Kirk and Gorn cheap enough I'll do it.

I've been looking for a reason to by those retro figures, ST might work for that.

Favorite movie??...Aside from Khan I'm going with Generations. Come on Kirk and Piccard together, how can you go wrong??

Plus.......I don't know if I'd be able to leave the Nexus. I don't know who would.

Owner of a Lonely B.A.T.
10-26-2011, 09:35 PM
Hard to pick A favorite...2 is just classic possibly the perfect film.

But I'm a big fan of 6 as well, its a great story and Plummer just owns ever scene he's in, "Don't wait for the translation ANSWER ME NOW!"

And even though the film didn't do as well as they had hoped it would and even though it was basically a remake of 2 in TNG time frame I really enjoyed Nemesis, I thought it gave us a lot of stuff we've never seen before, The Enterpise doing a barrell roll and firing ventral phasers, a ramming scene, a rape scene if you can believe it and a real sense of peril...honestly I thought there was a chance near any cast member could be killed....ok maybe not Bev honest they rarely give the woman with without a doubt the best ass in Trek anything interesting to do...I can't even tell you where she is during that battle scene with Shinzon's ship.

I also enjoy 4...who doesn't...First Contact is a lot of fun as well...

I think the two I likely like the least...and even then I still enjoy them, are Insurrection which may have been a bit too silly at times...Data as a flotation device? And a manual steering column? ugh.
And The Motion Picture....which visually is STUNNING, the fly around alone is breath taking and a great use of models and music proving digital is not always the best way to go, but man does this film drag on...I remember going to see this in 79 when I was 7 and getting out of the theater and asking was it still today...it felt that long.

sharky
10-26-2011, 09:40 PM
DS9 starts of in the middle of TNG's run. It's streaming on netflix right now...
Yes, I'm sorry I stopped watching it. I've heard nothing but good things as the series came to an end. For the record it was during the time I was finishing college and I simply got busy (you see what I did there with the "got busy" :D).

Looking forward to getting back into it.

And, I hope someday that Art Asylum will make an electronic light and sound USS Defiant.

Shogi
10-26-2011, 09:41 PM
Any cool 3 3/4 Enterprise anyone can recomend??...It seems Trek toys always fall short.

Only two 3 3/4" Enterprise was ever made. one from the first movie and the thing we got for the remake

Star Trek The Motion Picture Bridge (http://www.toymania.com/334archives/trek/access.htm)

There was one planned for the Next Generation toyline, but never came out

Galoob Star Trek Action Figures and Accessories (1988-1989) (http://www.megocollector.com/action-figures/galoob-star-trek-action-figures-and-accessories-1988-1989/)

I really like the 3 3/4" Next Generation toyline even though the articulation is only 5 points.

As far as the show itself, my parents brought me up watching Next Generation and DS9. I always thought Star Wars had better ships while Star Trek had way better aliens.

Lately I've been going back and rewatching the movies, other than the first one (very long and kinda boring) I dig all of them. Show wise, I like Next Generation the best

Beckley
10-26-2011, 10:07 PM
I will warn everyone though the first couple of season of DS9 are a little bit of a mess...they really don't pull things together to well until the Dominion is introduced.

Truth.

Anyone have any cool toys or anything to share?

Any cool 3 3/4 Enterprise anyone can recomend??...It seems Trek toys always fall short.

I had TONS of the Playmates figures, Classic, TNG, DS9, Voyager, tons of them. Sold them all on ebay.
The only Trek figure I have now is the Mego Klingon from The Motion Picture.
He's the 3 3/4 one, MOC I got him AFA graded.
Does anyone remember the Borg figures they made?
The super stylized ones, there was a Klingon, Cardassian, and a Huerogen (sp?) those were super cool, I had them, but sold them as well.



Favorite movie??...Aside from Khan I'm going with Generations. Come on Kirk and Picard together, how can you go wrong??


I could never pick a favorite movie, but I feel Star Trek 3 never gets the props it deserves. It was no way the best trek film, but it was damn good.
Christopher Lloyd made a great Klingon.

Owner of a Lonely B.A.T.
10-26-2011, 10:21 PM
And my proof about Bev's Aftside...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v188/edimusprime/38047theprice16122697lo.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v188/edimusprime/BevCrusherssweetbooty2-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v188/edimusprime/BevCrusherssweetbooty3-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v188/edimusprime/BevCrusherssweetbooty4-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v188/edimusprime/BevCrusherssweetbooty.jpg

starbuck
10-26-2011, 10:26 PM
And my proof about Bev's Aftside...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v188/edimusprime/38047theprice16122697lo.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v188/edimusprime/BevCrusherssweetbooty2-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v188/edimusprime/BevCrusherssweetbooty3-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v188/edimusprime/BevCrusherssweetbooty4-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v188/edimusprime/BevCrusherssweetbooty.jpg


Beverly Crusher was the first mom that i noticed was also hot...

PitViper
10-26-2011, 10:30 PM
TNG had quite a few hotties. I'd like to think if I was on that ship I'd......well you know. I'd probably be in a room somewhere on the Tank. :)

sharky
10-26-2011, 10:32 PM
Anyone have any cool toys or anything to share?

I have that old set from Playmates, which sucks and kicks ass at the same time. All the Capt and Commanders. I think it's 6 figures total.

I'll have to dig it up and take a pic.

Any cool 3 3/4 Enterprise anyone can recomend??...It seems Trek toys always fall short.
I started to collect the Playmates ships. I had TNG Enterprise, the Romulan Warbird, the DS9, and the Enterprise B. I think I had the Borg cube, but I can't remember now.

Now that Art Asylum has been making them, I look forward to more releases. They make the Playmates ships look like complete crap. I hope in the future they do a USS Excelsior, USS Reliant, and USS Defiant. I have the Wrath of Khan Enterprise and the Enterprise E. I have these on display in my living room. Every so often I like to cycle through the sounds. My favorite is Kirk yelling "KAAAAAHN!!! KAAAAAAHN!!!!" :D

PitViper
10-26-2011, 10:32 PM
I heard one of the deleted scenes in Generations is just Jean-Luc punching Kirk in the chest repeatedly while saying "We had a longer run, bitch!"

sharky
10-26-2011, 10:35 PM
Beverly Crusher was the first mom that i noticed was also hot...
I have to admit I wish she had some nude pictures floating around the web.

Beckley
10-26-2011, 10:37 PM
And my proof about Bev's Aftside...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v188/edimusprime/38047theprice16122697lo.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v188/edimusprime/BevCrusherssweetbooty2-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v188/edimusprime/BevCrusherssweetbooty3-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v188/edimusprime/BevCrusherssweetbooty4-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v188/edimusprime/BevCrusherssweetbooty.jpg

How did you find Starbuck's Fap File?

PitViper
10-27-2011, 09:19 PM
Wow, some of the Playmates stuff on ebay is no friggin joke!

35-40 for some of the more recent or opened Enterprises but some of the MIB from the mid 90's are up to 200+

Who the hell would ever think a 15 yr old ship from Playmates would hit 3 digits?!

starbuck
10-27-2011, 09:22 PM
How did you find Starbuck's Fap File?


My fault...

I should quit posting in alt.binaries.nerds.startrek.females.buttshots

dannybailey
10-28-2011, 11:29 AM
Someone in the B/S/T forum was selling off their modern Trek collection, from Toy Asylum or the like, for $100. I have to admit I was very seriously considering it for a few days. Then I got the power bill and had to reconsider. It was a great deal for the figures. I hope they find a good home.

I'm a Original Series and Next Generation fan, myself. Never really cared much for DS9 or Voyager. I only remember the end of the Next Generation being on TV and paid attention to DS9 when it originally aired, but it didn't do much for me.

sharky
10-28-2011, 02:17 PM
I knew I had some pics in my photobucket account.
http://i896.photobucket.com/albums/ac164/therealsharky/SharkyCollection008.jpg
http://i896.photobucket.com/albums/ac164/therealsharky/SharkyCollection007.jpg

And the other side of the room.
http://i896.photobucket.com/albums/ac164/therealsharky/SharkyCollection001.jpg
http://i896.photobucket.com/albums/ac164/therealsharky/SharkyCollection006.jpg

JokerFC
11-03-2011, 12:47 PM
Love me some Trek although I found Enterprise to be a snooze fest aside form the Borg episode.that was awesome.

Season 3 of Voyager was great-after that not so much.

but DS9 was awesome from season 3 onwards with high spots before that.

TNG was excellence from Season 3 onwards too.

one thing that bugs the fuck outta me.nobody tells Worf they are sorry about Dax during Insurrection......that really fried me.they are all so close yet nobody mentions the awful death of poor Jadzia?also leaving farrell out of the closing montage of DS9 was a bad choice.

Kungfuguy
11-03-2011, 09:00 PM
I miss watching Trek on tv every week. But I understand it needs a long rest from fatigue. What bugs me most a bout ST is that it is very inconsistent. I'm not referring to continuity. That's big mess I don't want to get into. But each episode and season would be either a hit or miss. Even the movies had that problem.

From the incredible highs of the Dominion War in DS9 to idiotic lows in TNG where we learn warp travel is bad for the environment. Hit or miss. I think serialized stories work really well for ST. The single episode stories were preachy and lecturing. Unfortunately networks hate the former.

The new cast of characters seem more human and fallible. Roddenberry kind of tied his actors arms up by setting a evolved humanity where we left behind all our weaknesses and frailties. That's great, but leads to boring drama.

Where's the lying, cheating, scheming, sex, babies, wedding, divorce……….real drama. OK this is not a soap. But the federation comes across as a stiff upper lipped therapy counsellors who tsk tsk the aliens who are lying, cheating, scheming, having sex, babies, weddings, divorce……….real drama. Trek writers know how to write scifi but they fail to write drama.

Beckley
11-03-2011, 11:03 PM
one thing that bugs the fuck outta me.nobody tells Worf they are sorry about Dax during Insurrection......that really fried me.they are all so close yet nobody mentions the awful death of poor Jadzia?also leaving farrell out of the closing montage of DS9 was a bad choice.

I don't understand why at the end of DS9 Worf just didn't say- "Well, I guess I'll go back to the Enterprise..."

Echo7Solo
11-04-2011, 05:41 AM
He basically does all of this to get the Romulans into the war on the side of the Federation.

Hard core stuff for not just Trek, but seriously its decisions I don't think any of the othe rCaptains would have made.

I agree. That was the best of the trek shows.

Echo7Solo
11-04-2011, 05:46 AM
Deanna Troi's chocolate ice cream ritual - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu3qDNnPKSs)

Stretching with Beverly and Troi - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoBoMvY0U10&feature=related)

JokerFC
11-04-2011, 12:16 PM
still have my Playmates Bridge,Transporter and Engineering.populkated by many Trek folks.

I was gutted Playmates didnt do The Enterprise figs.really wanted that crew in the same scale as the other 4.

PitViper
11-25-2011, 09:51 AM
Bumping this thread......engage!

Whose the best ST Captain? Why?

USAgent
11-26-2011, 05:09 AM
Kirk. Everyone that came after is a mere shadow of the greatest captain ever. Pike is a close 2nd. Then Commodore Decker.... Picard I suppose and the rest of the 'future' Captains are next and then Sam from Quantum Leap is last only because I thought he was too cheerful most of the time even though I did enjoy the show.

PitViper
11-26-2011, 10:54 PM
Kirk. Everyone that came after is a mere shadow of the greatest captain ever. Pike is a close 2nd. Then Commodore Decker.... Picard I suppose and the rest of the 'future' Captains are next and then Sam from Quantum Leap is last only because I thought he was too cheerful most of the time even though I did enjoy the show.

I can't believe how far down you put Picard!! That guy's character SCREAMS Leader in every way!!

I love Kirk, but between Picard's character and how Stewart "made" him....I'd follow that man's bald head into the pits of Hell.

USAgent
11-27-2011, 02:39 AM
:) I dig Picard. :) he's got way more hours under his unitard than kirk has in his Capri pants, I'm just a big TOS fan cause the 60's space hoes were way sexier than the liberated gals of TNG. :)

Owner of a Lonely B.A.T.
11-27-2011, 04:03 AM
I'd take Sisko...the guy was a hard ass, but fair plus that station was STACKED with hotties.
-Kira
-Jadzia
-Ezri
-Leeta

Beckley
12-04-2011, 12:35 AM
Picard is cool because he's such a renaissance man.
I mean, the dude spends his days in space doing all kinds of crazy shit.
Then, when he's on shore leave, his idea of a good time is doing crazy archeologist shit.
He also plays that goofy flute thing he got from the aliens who f'd up his head.
He loves art, history, music, and when he was a kid in starfleet he was a hard-drinking womanizer who got stabbed through the heart. Badass!

That's why my vote is for Picard.
(Although I think all the captains are cool in their own way)

PitViper
12-05-2011, 05:33 PM
Ok so in Generations when Kick and Picard had their taste of being in the Nexus...why is it wrong?

Picard finds Kirk who now because he's in the Nexus has a chance to live happily ever after but stops him because "it isn't real"

No, it isn't real.....but isn't it?

It reminds me of Marvel's House Of M, when Quicksilver let Spider Man know this reality wasn't real, Spidey realizes in this altered reality he was happy and now the dream was over.

So what real crime would it be to just stay in the Nexus???

Beckley
12-05-2011, 09:27 PM
Ok so in Generations when Kick and Picard had their taste of being in the Nexus...why is it wrong?

Picard finds Kirk who now because he's in the Nexus has a chance to live happily ever after but stops him because "it isn't real"

No, it isn't real.....but isn't it?

It reminds me of Marvel's House Of M, when Quicksilver let Spider Man know this reality wasn't real, Spidey realizes in this altered reality he was happy and now the dream was over.

So what real crime would it be to just stay in the Nexus???

Picard needed Kirk's help, isn't that why he pulled him out of the Nexus?
If there really was a nexus, you'd think billions of aliens from all over the galaxy would be trying to jump in there.

PitViper
12-05-2011, 09:37 PM
Picard needed Kirk's help, isn't that why he pulled him out of the Nexus?
If there really was a nexus, you'd think billions of aliens from all over the galaxy would be trying to jump in there.

I'm not sure how many other people knew of Soran's plan......but if he was creating something that could alter reality, your personal reality at your own will.....he may be a bad guy I kind of have sympathy for.

Why can't I just get in the nexus and live at the Bradlees toy aisle in 1986?! Picard and Kirk try any funny business I'll take an Entertech to both of em.

pig iron grenadier
12-06-2011, 03:03 PM
So, what is the status of the movie sequel? I haven't heard squat lately...

USAgent
12-06-2011, 05:38 PM
Ok so in Generations when Kick and Picard had their taste of being in the Nexus...why is it wrong?

Picard finds Kirk who now because he's in the Nexus has a chance to live happily ever after but stops him because "it isn't real"

No, it isn't real.....but isn't it?

It reminds me of Marvel's House Of M, when Quicksilver let Spider Man know this reality wasn't real, Spidey realizes in this altered reality he was happy and now the dream was over.

So what real crime would it be to just stay in the Nexus???

That's what makes them who they are. Neither is willing to live in an illusion. Me? I would be fine and have no problem living in the nexus.

pig iron grenadier
12-06-2011, 06:11 PM
Didn't that also kinda happen to Archer when he was on the planet living with T'Pol?

PitViper
12-06-2011, 07:20 PM
That's what makes them who they are. Neither is willing to live in an illusion. Me? I would be fine and have no problem living in the nexus.

There was a time, and I think it was right around the end of high school, which makes sense because that's when Generations came out...94 right?

Anyway during that time I think I was super hung up on some stuff, my parents sold my grandmother's house, people going away to college etc...big changes, that when Generations came out I was MENTAL over the idea that you could literally find "your happy place" and just stay there. The concept blew my mind.

Now, the concept and the concept of the film still blows my mind but older, I guess I....somewhat reluctantly see why Picard got Kirk and stopped it.

Man, I forgot how much I loved that movie. I wonder if it's on Blu-Ray?

Tracker
12-08-2011, 01:12 PM
i now i'd like to see one of these in the next film

http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/blueprints/federation-class/cover.jpg

http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/federation-class-starship.php

PitViper
12-08-2011, 07:19 PM
Star Trek IV was on HBO last night.

I absolutely love Kirk in that movie. Seems a bit of a throwback to his young, slightly reckless roots.

I dont think IV got that much recognition but it should, a fun movie and Klingons in court rules :)

JokerFC
12-11-2011, 07:45 AM
I always liked IV but of the original movies II is my fave by a long shot.

The Wrath Of Khan is just so awesome.First Contact is my joint fave movie but WOK is easily my fave starring the originals.

Shogi
12-11-2011, 08:44 AM
Star Trek IV was on HBO last night.

I absolutely love Kirk in that movie. Seems a bit of a throwback to his young, slightly reckless roots.

I dont think IV got that much recognition but it should, a fun movie and Klingons in court rules :)

I had HBO & Cinemax for the past 3 months and I swear I think I saw almost every Star Trek movie made in those 3 months. That's probably the only reason I'm going to miss having those channels. I really should get them on DVD

PitViper
12-11-2011, 09:32 AM
I had HBO & Cinemax for the past 3 months and I swear I think I saw almost every Star Trek movie made in those 3 months. That's probably the only reason I'm going to miss having those channels. I really should get them on DVD

That's actually what I asked for, for Christmas...various ST on DVD. Though I should see what's available on Blu Ray 1st.

Most of my FB is just to follow stuff I like, I'll tell ya Star Trek does a pretty good job with their official page. Always updating and posting cool stuff.

Kungfuguy
12-11-2011, 01:08 PM
When I saw the Star Trek 09 movie I thought it was pretty cool. But when I rewatched on tv, I thought it was mediocre. It was great up until the crew was assembled on the Enterprise. From there on, it was silly retrograde episode.

I wish Paramount had the fortitude to dump 40 years of baggage and start fresh. That wasn't the case. Dump the retro uniforms, dump Kirk and crew, dump the Enterprise. Paramount did show some wisdom in re-working ST in Wraith of Kahn. They showed fresh ideas in placing Voyager billions of light years away from Starfleet and friendly aliens. Where's the courage to try something new? The fixation on Kirk and the past is Star Trek's downfall.

Beckley
12-11-2011, 02:50 PM
I used to work at Borders back in the day and all full time employees got a $30 gift card once a month.
I used my gift cards to get all the 2 disc collector's editions of the movies, they were only $14.99 at the time, one of the few deals Borders had on DVD's lol.

PitViper
12-22-2011, 07:08 PM
Is anyone reading any of the current IDW Star Trek titles....seriously, how great is IDW??

Anyway I just got done with Star Trek/Legion Of Super Heroes #2...and I'm def loving it. Good stuff--so far the crew is very true to TOS.

PitViper
12-22-2011, 07:09 PM
One more thing......

Columbus vs Captain Kirk. Epic Rap Battles of History #14 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBzoBgfm55w)

MeLikeJinx
04-17-2012, 03:42 AM
All five 'Star Trek' captains unite at London event - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/five-star-trek-captains-unite-london-event-090055888.html;_ylt=AkAq14Gu6pDOG.eLb4a1n8a8Cu9_;_ ylu=X3oDMTRwbm43NGZhBGNjb2RlA2dtcHRvcDEwMDBwb29sd2 lraXVwcmVzdARtaXQDTmV3cyBmb3IgeW91BHBrZwM3NmM2ZGY2 MS1iYWIwLTMxNzgtODcxNS1lYjMxOGJkNzc1ZDYEcG9zAzEwBH NlYwNuZXdzX2Zvcl95b3UEdmVyA2Q4ZjA2MzcwLTg3YTItMTFl MS1iZDVlLTk0NTFkYzQzMGVjOQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTJwN3VuNDZkBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRw c3RhaWQDZmUyN2I3ZTktY2EzNS0zMzEzLTkyZTEtMWExMmFlNj c4ODhhBHBzdGNhdAMEcHQDc3RvcnlwYWdlBHRlc3QD;_ylv=3)

First time all five TV show Captains are going to be together at the same time... pretty cool if you ask me.

homer_sapien
04-17-2012, 09:52 AM
Deep Space 9

"In The Pale Moonlight"

Sisko wanting to to the right thing in the Dominion War makes compromise after compromise for what he thinks is the best...and in the end he gets what he wanted...not exactly the way he wanted it, and all it cost him was his soul.

ST Deep Space Nine "In The Pale Moonlight" End Monologue - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-YyL7X4CWw)

That's my favorite episode out of all the episodes between the different series.

homer_sapien
04-17-2012, 12:18 PM
Star Trek IV was on HBO last night.

I absolutely love Kirk in that movie. Seems a bit of a throwback to his young, slightly reckless roots.

I dont think IV got that much recognition but it should, a fun movie and Klingons in court rules :)

I always liked IV but of the original movies II is my fave by a long shot.

The Wrath Of Khan is just so awesome.First Contact is my joint fave movie but WOK is easily my fave starring the originals.

I had HBO & Cinemax for the past 3 months and I swear I think I saw almost every Star Trek movie made in those 3 months. That's probably the only reason I'm going to miss having those channels. I really should get them on DVD

That's actually what I asked for, for Christmas...various ST on DVD. Though I should see what's available on Blu Ray 1st.

Most of my FB is just to follow stuff I like, I'll tell ya Star Trek does a pretty good job with their official page. Always updating and posting cool stuff.

I had all the original ones on VHS. I've been meaning to get around to picking up all the Trek movies on DVD.

sharky
04-17-2012, 12:29 PM
That's my favorite episode out of all the episodes between the different series.
I'm going through DS9 on Netflix right now. I'm about halfway through season 3. Looking forward to getting to the really good stuff later on. I regret not getting into it more when it originally aired. Although, in my defense I was busy with college and chasing girls. On second though, I regret nothing. :D

CobraOfficer999
07-11-2012, 05:36 PM
I'm going through DS9 on Netflix right now. I'm about halfway through season 3. Looking forward to getting to the really good stuff later on. I regret not getting into it more when it originally aired. Although, in my defense I was busy with college and chasing girls. On second though, I regret nothing. :D

I am also in the process of viewing Netflixed DS9. I have gotten to the Episode Distant Voices. It is a very bizzare episode. Viewing as I type.

Saboteur
07-11-2012, 09:30 PM
Always liked TNG. But wasn't a loyal follower of the show.

I have recently caught a few episodes of Enterprise on Netflix when the time permitted. It's the best series in my opinion.

Raw Dog
07-11-2012, 10:04 PM
Always liked TNG. But wasn't a loyal follower of the show.

I have recently caught a few episodes of Enterprise on Netflix when the time permitted. It's the best series in my opinion.

I too enjoyed Enterprise. It was one of my favorites as well.

agent888
07-11-2012, 10:29 PM
in the hasbro press release they said they had the star trek license, did they do the crap movie figs? do they have anything joe scale coming out?
i asked this in another thread before, but got no responce

Owner of a Lonely B.A.T.
07-11-2012, 10:37 PM
I too enjoyed Enterprise. It was one of my favorites as well.

Funny thing for me is I loved TOS, and the films, TNG and DS9.

Somewhere Voyager I was slightly less thrilled with...and I kinda just gave up on it in maybe season 3, but I tried to get back into it when the big push came and they brought in Seven of Nine...but again fell out of interest...I did watch the ending though.

I gave Enterprise a try a few times but again...couldn't get into it.

I THINK I was Trek worn out. And I'll tell you why I know that...years later I would start watching Voyager and Enterprise and found I actually liked them a lot more than I had originally.

CobraOfficer999
07-12-2012, 02:29 AM
Just finishshed some episodes of DS-9. That series starts to get interesting around the 3rd series.

sharky
07-12-2012, 07:14 AM
Yeah, DS9 really snowballs into one epic story as you get through the later seasons. It's now my favorite Trek series. Stick with it, you won't be dissapointed.

BTW, is anyone coinsidering going to the Fathom Events screening of the 2 TNG remastered episodes at your local movie theater. I think it's to celebrate TNG coming out on Blu-ray.

Raw Dog
07-12-2012, 10:42 AM
Funny thing for me is I loved TOS, and the films, TNG and DS9.

Somewhere Voyager I was slightly less thrilled with...and I kinda just gave up on it in maybe season 3, but I tried to get back into it when the big push came and they brought in Seven of Nine...but again fell out of interest...I did watch the ending though.

I gave Enterprise a try a few times but again...couldn't get into it.

I THINK I was Trek worn out. And I'll tell you why I know that...years later I would start watching Voyager and Enterprise and found I actually liked them a lot more than I had originally.

Same with me only I lost interest half way through DS9. I picked up Enterprise when it was on reruns years after its original release. I liked it a lot.

sharky
07-12-2012, 11:13 AM
in the hasbro press release they said they had the star trek license, did they do the crap movie figs? do they have anything joe scale coming out?
i asked this in another thread before, but got no responce
People responded including myself.
http://www.hisstank.com/forum/toys/249045-hasbro-star-trek-license.html

No, Hasbro didn't do the newest JJ Abrams movie toys. Playmates did those.

From what has been revealed so far it appears that Hasbro only has the building toy license for the new JJ Abrams Star Trek movies, so I wouldn't expect to see any 3 3/4" action figures from Hasbro unless some new press release comes out specifically about action figures in the future.

CobraOfficer999
07-17-2012, 04:32 AM
Now, I enter DS9 Season 4.

nerdsgetchicks
07-17-2012, 04:50 AM
I love STNG. I am working on the figures as we speak.

Raw Dog
07-17-2012, 09:00 AM
STTNG was the bomb. I remember getting the entire first wave of the original Playmates figures for my B-Day one year and visiting the traveling science exhibit at our local Museum of Science that same year. Best B-Day Evah!

Angry.Android
07-17-2012, 03:17 PM
I love Star Wars. I also love Star Trek.

Favorite Show: DS9...it had fantastic characterizations and view outside of the federation.. TNG was the Future humanity wants, DS9 was the future humanity will have. We can't eliminate our darker nature.

Favorite Ship: there are so many! I think my favorite was probably the Akira class cruiser...it reminded me of an advanced version of the reliant.

Favorite Captain: Sisko, for sure. Kirk has his charms, and Picard was suave as a mofo, but Sisko was the best of both worlds...like Shaft in space.

Favorite Character overall: Data

homer_sapien
07-17-2012, 03:26 PM
STTNG was the bomb. I remember getting the entire first wave of the original Playmates figures for my B-Day one year and visiting the traveling science exhibit at our local Museum of Science that same year. Best B-Day Evah!

I have the main cast for TNG and DS9 plus a few extras like the EMH, Dukat, Gerak, some Borg (Locutus, Queen, a couple drones) and Jem Hedar Soldiers. I still want a Weyoun to go with the Jem Hedar.

Raw Dog
07-17-2012, 04:27 PM
I wouldn't mind picking up some of the Original Series figures I missed out on.

Kungfuguy
07-17-2012, 11:21 PM
The new Star Trek was entertaining, slick, and sexy. Heresy here, but I think Paramount should have had the fortitude to dump the classic crew (Kirk and company) for all new original characters. And start a new! Star Trek is like a well used old car. Stop repairing it. Time for a new car. Bond has similar problem.

Voyager had the right idea. Setting it way out of the Federation. But it didn't go far enough. By then ST was getting very tired. But Voyager still had it's Federation hangups. Familiar aliens would turn up. They even made it home. What a rediculous happy hollywood ending.

Star Trek needs to throw out the old playbook because everyone's read it. Are we going to get Khan again just because this will be an alternate timeline. ST needs to boldy go! Not timidly rehash stuff in hollywood fashion.

Raw Dog
07-17-2012, 11:44 PM
I didn't like JJ's Trek the second time I watched it.

CobraOfficer999
07-18-2012, 05:04 AM
Just completed DS9 Bar Association Episode. A Feringi Labour Union. Weird.

Xerofall
07-25-2012, 05:18 PM
I'm such a Star Trek nerd I once gave a report on it in High School in front of the entire school. Yeah, I was branded for life after that.

JokerFC
07-26-2012, 01:30 PM
I too have a large collection of ST Playmates stuff-LOVE IT.

there are reruns of TNG playing here daily and Unification was just shown-great 2 parter IMHO.

sharky
10-09-2012, 12:48 PM
Just a heads up that Art Asylum via Diamond Select will be releasing a couple of long awaiting ships. The Klingon Bird of Prey and the Enterpise-B. In case anyone doesn't know these are large scale electronic ships with lights and sound features. They are a step above any of the Playmates ships that have been released in the past.

Also, they are re-releasing the regular Enterprise-D as well as the Wrath of Khan Enterprise.

BBTS.com and Entertainment Earth have them for pre-order. Also, you usually can order them through your local comic ship. Also, TRU carries some of the Diamond Select stuff as well, but it's spotty at best.

So far, I have the Wrath of Khan Enterprise and the Enterprise-E. I'll be looking to expand my collection with the new releases coming out. I hope they plan to do the USS Defiant and a movie version of the Klingon Battlecruiser.

spiderpumpkin
10-09-2012, 12:55 PM
Just a heads up that Art Asylum via Diamond Select will be releasing a couple of long awaiting ships. The Klingon Bird of Prey and the Enterpise-B. In case anyone doesn't know these are large scale electronic ships with lights and sound features. They are a step above any of the Playmates ships that have been released in the past.

Also, they are re-releasing the regular Enterprise-D as well as the Wrath of Khan Enterprise.

BBTS.com and Entertainment Earth have them for pre-order. Also, you usually can order them through your local comic ship. Also, TRU carries some of the Diamond Select stuff as well, but it's spotty at best.

So far, I have the Wrath of Khan Enterprise and the Enterprise-E. I'll be looking to expand my collection with the new releases coming out. I hope they plan to do the USS Defiant and a movie version of the Klingon Battlecruiser.

Yes, I'm looking forward to these. I wish they would do a Voyager too.

sharky
10-09-2012, 01:09 PM
Yes, I'm looking forward to these. I wish they would do a Voyager too.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that one. That's also a ship I'd want to get someday as well.

USAgent
10-11-2012, 02:19 PM
thanks for the heads up Sharky! I totally need that BoP (just wish it was the TOS Klingon ship) I've got the 'All Good things' D and the Mirror Mirror NCC-1701- these are easily the best Trek ships put out

MeLikeJinx
12-07-2012, 03:23 AM
Star Trek Into Darkness - Official Teaser (HD) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diP-o_JxysA)

Is that bad guy like supposed to be somebody I'm supposed to know? And every trailer nowadays copies the Inception trailer. LOL.

RandomViper117
12-07-2012, 05:16 AM
Star Trek Into Darkness - Official Teaser (HD) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diP-o_JxysA)

Is that bad guy like supposed to be somebody I'm supposed to know? And every trailer nowadays copies the Inception trailer. LOL.

The bad guy is Sherlock Holmes.

Jmacq1
12-07-2012, 07:34 AM
Star Trek Into Darkness - Official Teaser (HD) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diP-o_JxysA)

Is that bad guy like supposed to be somebody I'm supposed to know? And every trailer nowadays copies the Inception trailer. LOL.

They haven't officially-officially confirmed it, but there are enough piece of the puzzle out there to figure out who he's supposed to be.

He's not exactly the most well-known Trek villain, but he is a character from the original series, and who was the villain/antagonist on a significant episode (this is all assuming he's the character most evidence points towards him being).

If you need another hint...compare Alice Eve (the blonde in the trailers) with some classic Trek guest-stars and you'll probably be able to put it all together if you dig just a little bit.

All that having been said, they've certainly left it open-ended enough that he could be any number of characters, or even a new character altogether.

USAgent
12-07-2012, 10:12 AM
They haven't officially-officially confirmed it, but there are enough piece of the puzzle out there to figure out who he's supposed to be.

He's not exactly the most well-known Trek villain, but he is a character from the original series, and who was the villain/antagonist on a significant episode (this is all assuming he's the character most evidence points towards him being).

If you need another hint...compare Alice Eve (the blonde in the trailers) with some classic Trek guest-stars and you'll probably be able to put it all together if you dig just a little bit.

All that having been said, they've certainly left it open-ended enough that he could be any number of characters, or even a new character altogether.

Oh crap! That's awesome....

Love the Enterprise (or random federation ship I guess) going down in the city. That trailer is great. love it!

vermillion21
03-23-2013, 11:44 PM
New international trailer ... looks sweet!

Star Trek Into Darkness Gets a Hot New Trailer | Den of Geek (http://www.denofgeek.us/movies/star-trek-into-darkness/82443/star-trek-into-darkness-gets-a-hot-new-trailer)

MIGHTY69KWINN
03-23-2013, 11:55 PM
I loved Star Trek, followed it for years. I followed DS9 mostly because I loved ODO .Somewhere along the way I got bored with all things Star Trek and began following Babylon 5 and never looked back. G'kar's growth as a character really drew me in.

JokerFC
03-24-2013, 05:09 PM
really looking forward to Into The Darkness.Im not too sure on who Cumberbatch is meant to be either.I know a lot of folks have leapt to conclusions because of who Alice Eves character is.......

that being said I would love it if it was "him"

Also I watched Yesterdays Enterprise today........what a great effin episode

Beckley
03-28-2013, 11:44 PM
This is nothing new, but my theory for the new Trek Villian is one of these guys-

Garth of Izar - Memory Alpha, the Star Trek Wiki (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Garth_of_Izar)

Gary Mitchell - Memory Alpha, the Star Trek Wiki (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Gary_Mitchell)

Crimson Rage
04-01-2013, 12:28 PM
The new film trailer looks soooo generic. Sad that such an iconic franchise has to be 'blanded up' to make it popular with the masses again.

Wylde Weezle
05-12-2013, 02:14 AM
Just got back from an advance screening, not a bad Star Trek movie. My wife even liked it. I'm by no means a Star Trek fanatic, so I managed to stay easily spoiler-free so everything was a pleasant surprise. Lots of stuff thrown in there for laughs...and some unintentionally funny scenes as well.

JokerFC
05-12-2013, 05:55 AM
I went to see Into Darkness last Friday and I loved it.it was absolutely excellent IMO.

Bionic Commando
05-16-2013, 03:32 AM
Loved the nods to the original films and tv episodes especially the role reversal at the reactor core.Can't wait to see what J.J. does with Star Wars

MeLikeJinx
05-16-2013, 07:36 AM
New Spock vs. Old Spock

Zachary Quinto vs. Leonard Nimoy: "The Challenge" - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPkByAkAdZs)

Thought that was pretty awesome. LOL.

Bionic Commando
05-16-2013, 01:52 PM
After seeing it in 2D plan on seeing it again in 3D Imax

vermillion21
05-18-2013, 02:07 AM
Watched "Into Darkness" today. AWESOME. If you're a Trek fan, you will love it.
:)

BEAM
05-20-2013, 10:12 AM
Saw it over the weekend and love it. It's the best thing Orci, Kurtzman, and Lindeloff have written. The nods to the history were great to see/hear.

I love the TOS characters and this new interation stirkes the right balance between honoring the past an creating a new path.

People have gotten on Abrams for turning Trek into something akin to Fast and Furious. But having seen the movie, it's not true. Sure there is plenty of action but it's tempured with quiet scenes to build character.

JokerFC
05-20-2013, 07:01 PM
SPOILERS
SPOILERS
SPOILERS
SPOILERS





ok that's plenty of space.






loved the fact that Section 31 was worked in here.

also the events of the first movie have changed an awful lot....they didn't meet the Gorn until their 5 year mission originally.....yet McCoy talks about Gorn infants in this.

Starfleet have explored more space and quicker than they did before.hence finding The Botany Bay so much earlier......

BEAM
05-20-2013, 07:32 PM
So if the old timeline still exists yet Khan is from 300 years prior to Nero's entrance into the singularity thus creating a new timeline, how is Khan a white Brit? Shouldn't he still be the same Khan since he existed before the new timeline was created?

homer_sapien
05-20-2013, 09:17 PM
SPOILERS
SPOILERS
SPOILERS
SPOILER

loved the fact that Section 31 was worked in here.

...

Me too.

afsupplies
05-21-2013, 05:08 AM
After seeing it in 2D plan on seeing it again in 3D Imax

Do it, you won't be disappointed. It looks truly epic on that huge screen. JJ really knows how to use Imax to it's full effect.

JokerFC
05-21-2013, 05:26 AM
So if the old timeline still exists yet Khan is from 300 years prior to Nero's entrance into the singularity thus creating a new timeline, how is Khan a white Brit? Shouldn't he still be the same Khan since he existed before the new timeline was created?

yes he should actually.Khan Noonien Singh was meant to be a Sikh.....IIRC so yeah your 100% right on that one.

hard to knock BCs performance though.....he really went for it.

BEAM
05-21-2013, 09:13 AM
yes he should actually.Khan Noonien Singh was meant to be a Sikh.....IIRC so yeah your 100% right on that one.

hard to knock BCs performance though.....he really went for it.

Thanks for confirming my suspicions

BC was outstanding. Anyone who hasn't seen the BBC Sherlock is truly missing out on some great performances.

I loved BC as Khan and the way he chews on every line. I can overlook the difference in ethnicities because the rest of the film was so damn enjoyable.

BEAM
05-21-2013, 02:46 PM
So I'm come to this conclusion to rectify a white Khan in STID and an African/Indian Khan in TOS and TWOK.

Nero atempted to go back in time to a point in TOS time line. Instead, like the DC Universe, the Star Trek universe has a multitude of universes all exisiting simultaniously. Nero broke through to a parallel universe, thinking he was still in the original TOS timeline.

EDIT: This thought isn't mine but I cribbed it from posters on IMDB.

Ford
05-21-2013, 04:48 PM
Yeah, SPOILERS ahead, but you really shouldn't even be reading this if you haven't seen it.


Is death irrelevant in any future Star Trek sequels? They've kind of conquered it with Khan's blood. And with his crew on ice, they could just use them as blood farms and cure everything wrong with everybody. Sure, stuff like decapitations or exploding in space could kill people. But disease should be a thing of the past.

JokerFC
05-21-2013, 08:09 PM
Yeah, SPOILERS ahead, but you really shouldn't even be reading this if you haven't seen it.


Is death irrelevant in any future Star Trek sequels? They've kind of conquered it with Khan's blood. And with his crew on ice, they could just use them as blood farms and cure everything wrong with everybody. Sure, stuff like decapitations or exploding in space could kill people. But disease should be a thing of the past.

Fiona was talking about this on our way home from the cinema.fair point.

Ford
05-21-2013, 10:31 PM
I guess they could address that in a sequel by giving Kirk side effects from the transfusion, and him finding a cure for his cure on some alien world.

Ixz72
05-22-2013, 11:15 PM
I took my son's advice and rewatched Wrath of Khan before I watched the new movie and it made me appreciate the new movie that much more.

The movie is Wrath of Khan in an alternate dimension.

RandomViper117
05-22-2013, 11:21 PM
So I'm come to this conclusion to rectify a white Khan in STID and an African/Indian Khan in TOS and TWOK.

Nero atempted to go back in time to a point in TOS time line. Instead, like the DC Universe, the Star Trek universe has a multitude of universes all exisiting simultaniously. Nero broke through to a parallel universe, thinking he was still in the original TOS timeline.

EDIT: This thought isn't mine but I cribbed it from posters on IMDB.

The explanation is that Marcus had Khan undergo drastic plastic surgery to make him look like a normal white guy. It makes sense, if you found Joseph Stalin frozen and needed to bring him back to work for you wouldn't it be wise to make him not look like the guy famous for mass genocide?

USAgent
05-23-2013, 12:23 AM
Kirk Should have been 'near' death... not dead. That would have been a more powerful save scene. The suddenly breathing tribble and the blood of life was the weakest part of the movie. Spock only returned in III because of an accident and really good timing with the genesis wave- there was never an INTENT to bring him back to life... and that was 2 movies the had Spock getting killed and reborn as a major point, not just a throw away scene at the end. Other than that... Loved every minute of it! (okay... maybe not the "Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!" :)

JokerFC
05-23-2013, 06:13 AM
The explanation is that Marcus had Khan undergo drastic plastic surgery to make him look like a normal white guy. It makes sense, if you found Joseph Stalin frozen and needed to bring him back to work for you wouldn't it be wise to make him not look like the guy famous for mass genocide?

I like that!!

BEAM
05-23-2013, 09:35 AM
The explanation is that Marcus had Khan undergo drastic plastic surgery to make him look like a normal white guy. It makes sense, if you found Joseph Stalin frozen and needed to bring him back to work for you wouldn't it be wise to make him not look like the guy famous for mass genocide?

I like that!!


I don't. How do you change a guy's accent? I fail to believe that Richardo Montelban and Benedict Cumberbatch sound similar, and I fail to buy into any rational that says Trek science can change a guys voice.

I pesonally like the Nu Trek universe is part of the Trek Multiverse. It helps me to better explain the discrepancies.

homer_sapien
05-23-2013, 04:07 PM
Am I the only one who doesn't care about the race of Kahn's actor at all? For me Khan's race is pretty much irrelivant to his character.

Ford
05-23-2013, 04:45 PM
Yeah, these new movies are so far removed from the old stuff that it doesn't bother me at all. I see it as it's own thing, with no restrictions. I had avoided reading anything at all about the movie, so I was one of the few that was actually surprised by the twist. Now if they had cast Antonio Banderas and said he was playing John Harrison, even I would have known who he really was.

JokerFC
05-23-2013, 06:16 PM
I don't. How do you change a guy's accent? I fail to believe that Richardo Montelban and Benedict Cumberbatch sound similar, and I fail to buy into any rational that says Trek science can change a guys voice.

I pesonally like the Nu Trek universe is part of the Trek Multiverse. It helps me to better explain the discrepancies.

actors change accents daily I believe.....

JokerFC
05-23-2013, 06:17 PM
Am I the only one who doesn't care about the race of Kahn's actor at all? For me Khan's race is pretty much irrelivant to his character.

no your not.it doesn't bother me in the slightest.I always found a Sikh Super genetic dictator to be a bit off.dont ask me why mind you....

BEAM
05-23-2013, 08:54 PM
actors change accents daily I believe.....

Well Brit actors can do a better American accent than American actors can do English accents. Except Brad Pitt in Snatch. Word is he was pretty spot on.

I just can't accept it's the same character as presented in TOS timeline. Multiverse is my answer for anything Nu Trek does. It helps my geek-adled brain rest easy at night.

Ford
05-23-2013, 11:12 PM
Well knowing nothing about old Star Trek, I found this on Wikipedia:

Khan Noonien Singh, commonly shortened to Khan, is a fictional villain in the American Star Trek science fiction franchise. The character first appeared in the Star Trek: The Original Series episode "Space Seed" (1967), and was portrayed by Ricardo Montalbán who reprised his role as the antagonist in the 1982 film Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. In the 2013 film Star Trek Into Darkness, he is played by Benedict Cumberbatch.

According to the backstory provided in "Space Seed", Khan is a genetically engineered superhuman Sikh from the Asian continent who once controlled more than a quarter of the Earth during the Eugenics Wars of the 1990s.[2] After being revived from suspended animation in 2267 by the crew of the USS Enterprise, Khan attempts to capture the starship, but is thwarted by James T. Kirk and exiled on Ceti Alpha V to create a new society with his people. In Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, set fifteen years after "Space Seed", Khan escapes his exile and sets out to exact revenge upon Kirk.

The character was originally conceived of as a Nordic superman by scriptwriter Carey Wilber before his ancestry was changed in script revisions. Harve Bennett, executive producer for Star Trek II, chose Khan as the villain for the film. To reflect the time spent marooned on an inhospitable world, Khan was given a costume that looked as though it had been scavenged from different items and showed off Montalbán's physique. Montalbán's portrayal has been positively received by critics and fans; Khan was voted as one of the top ten greatest film villains of all time by the Online Film Critics Society.


So, assuming there's no other information to contradict it, what if they created genetically engineered superhumans in multiple ethnicities? And the leader of each region was named "Khan"?

Yeah, I know. So thin it's anorexic.

BEAM
05-24-2013, 12:42 AM
Works better if you relate it to Sparticus. "I am Sparticus." "I am Sparticus." They're all Khan.

Still thin because Khan was a real bad ass in Space Seed and members of his crew had different names. Plus he was clearly in charge.

JokerFC
05-24-2013, 07:15 AM
Well Brit actors can do a better American accent than American actors can do English accents. Except Brad Pitt in Snatch. Word is he was pretty spot on.

.

Brad Pitt wasn't being English in Snatch or anything even close to it......he was portraying an Irish Gypsy.

and yeah he did an amazing job.

BEAM
05-24-2013, 09:38 AM
Brad Pitt wasn't being English in Snatch or anything even close to it......he was portraying an Irish Gypsy.

and yeah he did an amazing job.

Ah yes. You know all you folks from the UK sound the same to us Americans. We're so self important when it comes to our global standing that we can't be bothered to learn the difference. :D

MIGHTY69KWINN
05-24-2013, 10:30 AM
I loved the movie, the one thing I didnt like was the soundtrack. It was no James Horner,lol.

Ford
05-24-2013, 05:55 PM
Really?! I thought the music was outstanding. It really fit the movie and helped move it along.

JokerFC
05-25-2013, 09:24 AM
Ah yes. You know all you folks from the UK sound the same to us Americans. We're so self important when it comes to our global standing that we can't be bothered to learn the difference. :D

LOL......

there is a there are a high number of folks that don't realise that Ireland isn't in the UK though.......I still find that suprising.

BEAM
05-28-2013, 09:58 AM
LOL......

there is a there are a high number of folks that don't realise that Ireland isn't in the UK though.......I still find that suprising.

See, color me surprised. I thought the UK was made up for Great Britian (England), Scotland, and Ireland, as well as Wales.

Oh how my education system has failed me.

And to get this thread on track so we don't get in trouble, STID finished 3rd this weekend. I guess the 1-2 unch of Fast 6 and hangover 3 was too much to overcome.

Jmacq1
05-28-2013, 10:27 AM
Yeah, these new movies are so far removed from the old stuff that it doesn't bother me at all. I see it as it's own thing, with no restrictions. I had avoided reading anything at all about the movie, so I was one of the few that was actually surprised by the twist. Now if they had cast Antonio Banderas and said he was playing John Harrison, even I would have known who he really was.

Funny enough, there's a good bit of evidence (based on rumors, but evidence nonetheless) that Benicio Del Toro was in talks to play "the villain" in Trek 2 early on, but for some reason that fell through.

Still, can't help but feel that a lot of the fanboy flames would have been quelled if they'd at least cast another Latino playing a Sikh... Even if I would've probably preferred Javier Bardem in the role.

Still, greatly enjoyed the movie for what it was, and even if I personally was a little tiny bit annoyed about how many "callbacks" to Wrath of Khan kicked up, it was greatly entertaining.

BEAM
05-28-2013, 11:37 AM
Funny enough, there's a good bit of evidence (based on rumors, but evidence nonetheless) that Benicio Del Toro was in talks to play "the villain" in Trek 2 early on, but for some reason that fell through.

Still, can't help but feel that a lot of the fanboy flames would have been quelled if they'd at least cast another Latino playing a Sikh... Even if I would've probably preferred Javier Bardem in the role.

Still, greatly enjoyed the movie for what it was, and even if I personally was a little tiny bit annoyed about how many "callbacks" to Wrath of Khan kicked up, it was greatly entertaining.

Agreed on Del Toro and Bardem.

There is a good review on AICN that blasts STID for using those callbacks. Bascially the reviewer states the scene in TWOK has so much history and emotion behind it because we lived with these characters for years through the Original Series and the Motion Picture. So when Spock's death comes, it has a real effect on the audience. Plus back then, no one knew if there would be another film or if Spock would be back.

When Kirk stays dead for literally 10 minutes of screen time, it cheapens the death. Plus, the history of this particular Spock and Kirk isn't as great or fleshed out as Shatner/Nimoy.

These days I try not to get all butthurt over those types of things. In the end it's wasted energy. Too many people online want to destroy a film rather than sit back, be entertained and celebrate what makes it great.

Ford
05-28-2013, 04:59 PM
I don't blame them for the short death. There really isn't any point to having it last any longer now. If Kirk or Spock had died and stayed dead for the rest of the movie, every single person in the audience would know they'd be back for the sequel anyway. At least this way it's all wrapped up and out of the way for a new story.

I'd read about Benecio Del Toro too, though after I saw the movie. I'm glad they didn't go with him. Oddly enough, I think Eric Bana might have been a good choice. With the right costume, he could look like Khan. And given that he's Australian, it might have thrown off any suspicions. He's good enough to play a variety of nationalities, such as in "Black Hawk Down" or "Munich".

BEAM
05-28-2013, 08:05 PM
Problem with Eric Bana is he was Nero in ST 09.

GI C
05-28-2013, 08:06 PM
I didn't see the movie and don't care about Spoilers. I may wait for it on DVD. I noticed the Enterprise gets damaged and crashes. Did Abrams kill off the cast already?

Owner of a Lonely B.A.T.
05-28-2013, 08:44 PM
So...anybody see the new designs for the new DS9 that will debut in the upcoming TNG/DS9 crossover?

Ford
05-28-2013, 10:20 PM
Problem with Eric Bana is he was Nero in ST 09.

Well, yeah. That's why I said "oddly". Bana would have been a better choice for Khan than he was for Nero I think. I think thats where they really made an improvement with the sequel. The villain was better, and the last half hour was done better. Nero's ship just didn't offer a good setting. It was too dark and empty. They needed to show more, or have a more industrial look to it.

Jmacq1
05-30-2013, 12:31 PM
I didn't see the movie and don't care about Spoilers. I may wait for it on DVD. I noticed the Enterprise gets damaged and crashes. Did Abrams kill off the cast already?

Well, there's already plenty of spoilers in this thread, so here's a couple more:

The Enterprise gets damaged all to be damned, but doesn't crash (it very nearly does though). All of the primary cast survive unscathed. Even the villain (technically) lives.

Another similar-looking (and totally badass) ship is what actually crashes.

On a side note: Did anyone notice that the seem to be shifting the "Power Trio" (Kirk, Spock, McCoy) of the OT to being a new version (Kirk, Spock, Uhura) in the new films? McCoy is still present and still clearly a very close friend of Kirk, but in terms of multiple characters interacting we seem to see Uhura with Kirk and Spock more often than McCoy.

Ford
05-30-2013, 05:02 PM
I actually thought McCoy had the better role in this movie. He had a lot of screentime, and played a bigger part in the ending. I think Uhura had the 3rd spot in the first film, but McCoy took it in this one. If anything it's a quadrilogy now. With Scotty, Sulu and poor Chekov rounding out the order.

I kind of wish they could have had some more alien crew members. It seemed like we saw more in the previous film. The only notable one in this movie was the guy that looked like he walked out of the poster for "The Hills Have Eyes". And he really didn't have much different than he normally does.

Jmacq1
05-30-2013, 08:44 PM
I actually thought McCoy had the better role in this movie. He had a lot of screentime, and played a bigger part in the ending. I think Uhura had the 3rd spot in the first film, but McCoy took it in this one. If anything it's a quadrilogy now. With Scotty, Sulu and poor Chekov rounding out the order.

I kind of wish they could have had some more alien crew members. It seemed like we saw more in the previous film. The only notable one in this movie was the guy that looked like he walked out of the poster for "The Hills Have Eyes". And he really didn't have much different than he normally does.

There were at least two alien Crewmembers I saw: The guy you're talking about (who appears to be some kind of cyborg or android or something), and a very dark-skinned, sort-of scaly woman of a species that I'm pretty sure they showed in a couple cameo shots in the last film (I think on the bridge of the Kelvin?).

What I -did- notice is that none of Starfleet's senior leadership seemed to be anything other than human. That's kind of disappointing. I'd have to see it again to double-check though.

GI C
05-31-2013, 07:11 PM
I like the Karl Urban version of McCoy. My favorite part in the first film where he injects Kirk with different vaccines was hilarious.