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wowtirrus
08-23-2011, 02:44 PM
I found this and the VAMP mk-II at Walmart yesterday, and picked them both up. I haven't opened up the VAMP yet, but I've noticed some interesting things about the BD.

1. There is no vehicle or character ID card to clip and save on the package. The item comes with a cardboard ID card for the figure packaged IN the package (in the same baggie as the assembly instructions) but no card on the package itself. This may be good for folks who like to save the box and don't want to have to cut it apart.

2. There are no (no!!) stickers with this item. None. And there are four places where "no step" has been painted onto the body of the piece. HASBROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (j/k).

3. The Black Dragon VTOL is about as long as the ROC Dragonhawk XH1 (see picture below)

4. The included figure fits into the cockpit no problem, which is nice and not always the case with some of the vehicles we've seen over the last few years. (I'm looking at you, Mr. Ice Dagger).

5. The pilot, or "Cobra Air Trooper" has a really nice sculpt, paint job and detail work, much better than the level of detail we've seen for most included figures. The helmet is non removable, and he does come with a Han Solo-like blaster pistol, er, "Standard Issue E.M.L. electromagnetic laser pistol", but does *not* have a holster for it. I think the lack of holster on the fig is one of the two negatives going on with this toy.

6. The other negative I see is the fact that the pop out chain gun that sits inside the belly of the plane and then swings out like a switchblade when one of the action buttons on top is pushed is linked to the bomb dropping bays on the sides of the plane. There is no way (short of taping the bomb bays closed, or something like that) to release the chain gun without also opening the bomb bays.

7. I think the chain gun swing out feature is hella fun and cool, and I am a reasonably mature 32 year old American male. Its probably my favorite feature of the toy.

8. the engine blocks on the ends of the wings rotate 360 degrees, which is cool. The wings themselves also swing back, allowing Cobra (and collectors) to easily store the Black Dragon in compact spaces when not in use. This is actually a really nice feature for reducing the amount of space the toy takes when it is on the shelf.

9. There are two pop down landing gear legs- a tiny one under the main body of the plane and a much larger one the extends down from the area that connects the main body to the tail of the aircraft.

10. I wish it came with a GI Joe Renegades Baroness, because we saw her hopping in and out of this thing all the time on the show. I can see why they didn't do it. If I they ever make a Baroness based on the Renegades design, (unlikely, I guess) I'm totally putting her next to this thing on the shelf.

10.5. I know that last comment was extremely nerdy. Oh well.

Summary: This is not a bad buy for $19.98, which is what I picked it up for at Walmart. It is much cooler than the alpha vehicles, which sell for 75% of that, and its cooler than a lot of the bigger toys that were selling for $25+ back in the ROC days. (still looking at you, Ice Dagger). I wasn't sure what I was going to think of it when I bought it, and now that I have purchased it and put it together, I think its great.

On with the pics...

Shin Densetsu
08-23-2011, 02:51 PM
Thanks for posting your review. Definitely going to buy this, love that the markings are all printed on. The gun, that's lame that it can't pop out without activating the bomb bay

sharky
08-23-2011, 02:55 PM
Cool pics and review. I think pilot figures should not have holsters because they often interfere with being able to fit in various cockpits. I'm looking at you Wild Bill.

wowtirrus
08-23-2011, 03:04 PM
Re: holster. Sure, but Ace has one. The could fit in an ankle holster. It just makes me feel like there is no where to put the hand gun when the air trooper is flying the plane and that makes me very annoyed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

::taking my meds...::

::ahem::

oh yeah. holsters may make it hard to fit into the cockpit. Fine, that makes sense.

oh well.

CookSux
08-23-2011, 03:31 PM
Dang... mine never came with a pistol!!! lol

Crimson Rage
08-23-2011, 03:52 PM
That's beautiful! The colours are just perfect and the sleek design is spot on - I wish it was a wee bit bigger (if you'll pardon the expression), but I'm definately impressed. Just picked one up on Ebay.

Steel Brigade
08-23-2011, 08:53 PM
Got this today, it's an awesome vehicle!!
Much bigger than I thought when all constructed, & the action features are neat! I also really like how the details are all painted instead of stickers, I wish all the vehicles came this way.

My only complaint is the Air Trooper's knees, they do not allow him to stand up straight, & his parachute pack interferes with the bottom of his flight vest, he has a very cool head though!

Gatchaman
08-27-2011, 09:40 PM
I really like the look but it seems too small (Didn't they learn from the ROC Dragonhawk?). Although I suppose its bigger then a Fang LOL. Thing is that was suppose to be a small helicopter where this looks like a big helicopter that was made too small.
I also don’t like that it has no windows. The Hiss tank is ok without them because it’s a tank after all and shouldn’t have windows. This on the other hand should and just seems cheap without them. The action futures look cool and fun. I’m still undecided on this one.

sjames90
08-27-2011, 09:55 PM
Those are the largest NO STEP stickers/tattoos I've ever seen on a vehicle. For that reason only I approve of this thread.

Unclassified
08-27-2011, 10:12 PM
i dig this, i think i will cave in and pick one up here and there till i have a few of em, at least 5..

heltskelt
08-31-2011, 03:48 PM
Dang... mine never came with a pistol!!! lol

The gun comes sealed individually into one of the corners of one of the baggies with parts. It's easy to miss, i almost missed mine.

I do think a holster could've been worked into the figure. Mine barely fits into the cockpit. I'm also going to fix those knees.

I do like this vehicle, but it would be much better had it been bigger. If you look on the underside of the wings, it seems that it was meant to have 4 missiles. Air-to-air missiles would've been great.
As it is, my Skystriker is gonna shoot it down every time.

ero
09-15-2011, 07:11 PM
Good review. Thanks! I'm beginning to be more interested in this vehicle, but I just need a Renegades Baroness to put in it before I come off the fence.

Thanks for posting your review. Definitely going to buy this, love that the markings are all printed on.

It's a good way to step up their game, although I think Mattel's Wind Raider is going to put their stickerless paint apps to shame.

i dig this, i think i will cave in and pick one up here and there till i have a few of em, at least 5..

Hey, are you on the Renegades train? I thought you were an ARAH purist.

700block
09-15-2011, 07:18 PM
junk.

luigi
09-15-2011, 08:16 PM
Thanks for posting your review. Definitely going to buy this, love that the markings are all printed on. The gun, that's lame that it can't pop out without activating the bomb bay

no you just have to push very light on the buttons
i have pulled this off 10 times i think
otherwise
i had one bomb bay open while the other remained closed

KingBiohazerd
09-17-2011, 07:22 AM
dude i just picked up the black dragon up today on my way home from work and got it all together i think it one of the best vehicles in awhile its awesome

CrimsonGuard
09-17-2011, 01:23 PM
I really like this thing. Cobra always gets shafted on their vehicles but this one had the color scheme, the little bell and whistles and a descent figure as well. I like the flat black paint. I'm thinking of customizing a Night Raven in Flat Black. For $19.97, pretty good vehicle! Can't wait for the HISS!

purplescorpion282
09-17-2011, 04:14 PM
I agree the BD is pretty cool and i actually like the figure too I have not opened the VAMp yet I was in luck there is a store where i live that had a sell buy one get one 1/2 price so i paid 19.98 and 9.98

HueyCobra AH-1
09-24-2011, 04:03 PM
got the Black Dragon, and the wings feel wobbly, but they are sturdy.
my issues are about the same as the rest...
The cockpit isn't flush at the top/rear, but that is minor.
The landing gear isn't perfect. I think a taller front gear and a pair of gear at the rear of the main fuselage would have been better, that tall wheel at the back is just off to me.

but my biggest itch is under the wings. Those unused pegs that could have been weapon mounts.

which makes me ask, Are there weapons, accessories from other vehicles that could be used?

well, i found just by chance in my toy room, engines/guns from a Machine Wars Sandstorm that had a hole that fits. the colors are off, but with some minor paint, it could work.

http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/298172_10150332953594653_805134652_7872005_1507104 380_a.jpg

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/300405_10150332953549653_805134652_7872004_1131548 02_n.jpg

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/296566_10150332953509653_805134652_7872003_2418668 46_n.jpg

it's just that most weapons are pegs that mount into holes and the BD is the opposite.

What i would really like to do, though is mount the bombs on the wings instead of using the bomb-drop gimmick.
but gotta figure out that would work.

GI abe444
09-24-2011, 08:21 PM
Thanks for posting it. Very cool vehicle!

polyphenus
07-07-2012, 02:08 PM
So is there any way to make the legs stand straight without shaving off some of the front of the lower leg right below the knee pad?

nighthawk
07-12-2012, 08:11 PM
Not that I know of. However, when I did it on my Taurus, most of the shaving was done behind the kneepad so it's not noticeable. I only had to shave a little off the bottom of the knee.

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l171/wing_woo/Joe%20Customs/014-12.jpg
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l171/wing_woo/Joe%20Customs/019-8.jpg

He uses the same legs.

CobraOfficer999
07-12-2012, 08:15 PM
Very cool. I have 2 of these. Do you have trouble keeping the wings on?

Iron Moose
07-12-2012, 08:19 PM
I am a huge fan of this thing. I love the paint, the pilot figure looks great, and I corroborate the previous poster who mentioned that pushing the button lightly deploys the gun, and pushing harder opens the bomb bays.

It also reminds me a lot of the Nod Venom, from C&C3.

Ruin
07-13-2012, 05:26 AM
I really like this thing, even though there's so much that sucks about it.

*The second gun is cartoonish and is nonsensical from a combat perspective

*The unused hardpoints under the wings and limited weaponry.

As much as I enjoy spending hours lining up stickers on things like the Sky Striker, I'm glad this thing doesn't have any.