Dark Knight Movie Discussion *SPOILERS*

[Jeffrozup]

Since we have a thread talking about the generics of the movie that doesn't include spoilers, I thought it was appropriate to have one that could contain movie-related information for those who have seen it.

I thought it was incredible and loved how the plots kept twisting and turning. I thought at least three times that the movie was over and it just turned to another plot.

In regards to The Joker, I thought his introduction was fantastic. I don't mean in the bank but when he went to the crime mob's meeting and made the pencil "disappear". That showed off his dark, evil side along with adding some sadistic humor to the scene. THAT is what the Joker should have always been about - Evil, diabolical, maniacal and sadistically funny.

The Batman character didn't need to be the star of the film with the Joker, Two-Face and Rachel Dawes in the mix.

I also liked how they left it open for another movie without leaving the audience hanging without a fitting ending.

Your thoughs?

[G.I.Eddie]

I WANT TO SEE THIS MOVIE SOOOOOO BADLY!!!...keep the spoilers coming

[Bermuda Mohawk]

I loved it.

I think we could still see Two-Face in the future. Dent may be dead, but that doesn't mean Two-Face has to be. They didn't exactly say that Two-Face died, but just how nobody could know what Dent became. I would not be upset at all to have them throw him in Arkham and that's where his story continues.

[G.I.Eddie]

sounds like a good twist to me BM

[shockblast]

I thought it was a great film, I thought ledger nailed the Joker. I really thought the seen between the joker in batman in police station was the scene that made the performance. The gordon suprise was pretty cool too. I did think the way they ended it dragged on a bit though. Even though I love this movie I walked out kind of disappointed that we won't be seeing Heath Ledger as the joker again. It's the first time I ever thought any batman villain was portrayed well in a live action movie. I also think the film makers really got the character. The jokes were funny but kinda made ya sick for laughing at them. The burning fire truck was spot on, but I think me and the wife were the only 2 people in the theater who noticed it. GREAT THREAD!!!! Thnks for starting it

[G.I.Eddie]

I thought it was a great film, I thought ledger nailed the Joker. I really thought the seen between the joker in batman in police station was the scene that made the performance. The gordon suprise was pretty cool too. I did think the way they ended it dragged on a bit though. Even though I love this movie I walked out kind of disappointed that we won't be seeing Heath Ledger as the joker again. It's the first time I ever thought any batman villain was portrayed well in a live action movie. I also think the film makers really got the character. The jokes were funny but kinda made ya sick for laughing at them. The burning fire truck was spot on, but I think me and the wife were the only 2 people in the theater who noticed it. GREAT THREAD!!!! Thnks for starting it

whats to get about the burning fire truck?

[ShadoViper]

I loved it.

I think we could still see Two-Face in the future. Dent may be dead, but that doesn't mean Two-Face has to be. They didn't exactly say that Two-Face died, but just how nobody could know what Dent became. I would not be upset at all to have them throw him in Arkham and that's where his story continues.

I'm sure that's what they'll do, put both Joker and Two-Face into Arkham, maybe they'll somehow bring someone out of Arkham to completely show how insane those people are. They said that they won't bring Penguin or Catwoman back, so it'll be nice to see what villians they decide on next. It sucks that Heath Ledger isn't around to reprise his role.

I was somewhat pleased to see that Rachel got killed off. I didn't like the fact that Maggie Gyllenhaal was Rachel Dawes.

The movie was great, at first i thought the movie was just going to abruptly end leaving a cliff hanger.. it got to almost the 2 hour mark and Batman didn't even face off with the Joker yet. I thought they were going to rush the film, but to my suprise they didn't.

[Jeffrozup]

When I was watching the movie, I knew that Gordon couldn't have died when he got shot. I realize these movies are slightly different from the comic books but Gordon would have never became commissioner if he died when we thought he did.

I just didn't know where he was going to come back or if at all during this particular movie but knew he wasn't dead.

[Bionic Commando]

I'm sure that's what they'll do, put both Joker and Two-Face into Arkham, maybe they'll somehow bring someone out of Arkham to completely show how insane those people are. They said that they won't bring Penguin or Catwoman back, so it'll be nice to see what villians they decide on next. It sucks that Heath Ledger isn't around to reprise his role.

I was somewhat pleased to see that Rachel got killed off. I didn't like the fact that Maggie Gyllenhaal was Rachel Dawes.

The movie was great, at first i thought the movie was just going to abruptly end leaving a cliff hanger.. it got to almost the 2 hour mark and Batman didn't even face off with the Joker yet. I thought they were going to rush the film, but to my suprise they didn't.

Sadly everyone clapped when Rachel died lol she wasn't exactly good to look at facial-wise

[Dave in the Basement]

I loved the movie but thought the sonar-vision was a tad over the top. I didn't care for the Bat-pod either, but it made much more sense once we saw how it deployed. Hopefully Morgan Freeman will get to work on a dedicated Bat-cycle next. ;)

Nitpicking aside, that movie kicked all sorts of tail. Heath Ledger was absolutely deliciously effed-up as the Joker.

And how cool was the trailer for the Watchmen? Very cool!

[sharke]

They said that they won't bring Penguin or Catwoman back, so it'll be nice to see what villians they decide on next.

where did they say that?

[ShadoViper]

where did they say that?

Batman 3: Catwoman & The Penguin To Remain Unemployed | Hecklerspray (http://www.hecklerspray.com/batman-3-catwoman-the-penguin-to-remain-unemployed/200815249.php)

Plus, Bale mentioned he would be reluctant to got to work if they add Robin to the mix, so we'll never see a Robin, also.. I'm ok with that.

[onefastbird95]

I think it would be cool if two face was still alive. I think the riddler would be a possibility or even someone who could match batman in a different way... with technology. Maybe even a villian like the phantasm or something.

[sgt.bludhound]

I WANT TO SEE THIS MOVIE SOOOOOO BADLY!!!...keep the spoilers coming

EDDIE I SUGGEST you go see this NOW!
don't read the spoilers! GOOOOOOOOO *waves hand*

[Apeiron]

I saw it yesterday and loved it. Despite it's long length it kept my attention throughout. I like how they balance the villains, instead of having both take up screen time together they give them they're own time so they can develop more then they would side by side. This is the first time outside of the comics that I felt The Joker was really crazy and dangerous. Even though I laughed at his jokes and his stories about his scars I also felt disturbed by it and his acts. I loved the pencil trick and I heard the whole theater laugh at it.
I liked how they showed Batman's detective side, as well as some of the lengths, like using phones to map out the city which instantly made me think of Brother Eye and Omac, to catch a villain.
Two of my favorite scenes has to be the race to rescue Harvey and Racheal and the scene where Two-Face is in the process of exacting revenge of Comminsioner Gordan and Batman, not in a gleeful sort of way but in the way that I felt for the characters. Despite me liking the Racheal, I was kind of glad to see her go, even though she had died
Another scene I loved was the two Ferries, I was expecting that the prisoner was going to press the button to blow up the other ferry, but I could tell the man on the civilian ferry wouldn't be able to bring himself to do such an act despite the stuff he said.
It's sad that Heath is dead, I hope if/when the time comes for the Joker to reappear in the film universe, hopefully with Harley alongside him, that the next actor to play him will be able to do just as good as Ledger. I think one of the villains they should tackle is Bane in either the next one or a later sequel is, and this time hopefully they would do him right. Though if they have him break Batman as he did in the comics they'd probably have to make it either a two or more movie long storyline, so they'd probably have to do like in the cartoons and have him be thrawted from doing so.
Though i'd like to see Batman get Robin as an ally it probably won't happen until Batman is proven innocent of the crimes he willing took on his shoulders to protect Dent and the city as he probably wouldn't put a sidekick in that sort of danger.

I loved The Watchmen trailer before the movie, and I want to get that version of the song played during it. It sucks it's not coming out till next year though. It's cruel that they tease us such awesome stuff and then tell us we have to wait till next year to see it all. I can't wait for it.

[sharke]

Plus, Bale mentioned he would be reluctant to got to work if they add Robin to the mix, so we'll never see a Robin, also.. I'm ok with that.

not the only one

[Echo7Solo]

I loved it.

I think we could still see Two-Face in the future. Dent may be dead, but that doesn't mean Two-Face has to be. They didn't exactly say that Two-Face died, but just how nobody could know what Dent became. I would not be upset at all to have them throw him in Arkham and that's where his story continues.

yes that is the same thing I was thinking. I don't think he is dead and if you consider Gordon's fate it isn't a stretch.



Sadly everyone clapped when Rachel died lol she wasn't exactly good to look at facial-wise
to each their own. I think she is a very good looking woman. Supermodel, no. But girl next door look, yes. I thought she looked good in world trade center


I loved the movie but thought the sonar-vision was a tad over the top. I didn't care for the Bat-pod either, but it made much more sense once we saw how it deployed. Hopefully Morgan Freeman will get to work on a dedicated Bat-cycle next. ;)

Nitpicking aside, that movie kicked all sorts of tail. Heath Ledger was absolutely deliciously effed-up as the Joker.

And how cool was the trailer for the Watchmen? Very cool!
see I didn't like the idea of the bat-pod until I saw it in action. Same with the batmobile. Now that I have seen both in action I can't get enough. This should be a lesson learned, don't judge a film by the first on set pics you see.
I think it would be cool if two face was still alive. I think the riddler would be a possibility or even someone who could match batman in a different way... with technology. Maybe even a villian like the phantasm or something. With Rachel dead it opens the door for another woman in Bruce's life. Enter Catwoman. Or so I think would work. Right now what I am itching to see Nolan take on is the detective side of Batman. Who better than Catwoman or Riddler? Now I think they should add some muscle to it too. Bane would be a good "extra" for him.

EDDIE I SUGGEST you go see this NOW!
don't read the spoilers! GOOOOOOOOO *waves hand*

yes, go NOW. For real Eddie. YOu have no idea of what you are missing.

[shockblast]

whats to get about the burning fire truck?

Not really much, it was just sort of an ironic joke. I saw this with the first show my local theater played and people were into it. But this joke I thought was really one of the funniest jokes they did with the joker and there was no crowd laughter like there was for other jokes. 20/20 hind site I guess I just found it much funnier then most. Usually Batman movies are over the top and this one was, but I thought there were a lot of really cool subtle things in there that other Batman films didn't have. Things like this complete certain films IMO it was nice to see stuff like this in Batman

[shockblast]

Also I agree just brave the lines and go see it. Its better without spoilers and it was worth the price of admission for the Watchmen trailer on the big screen. Comedian looks awesome!!!

[spacemonkeymafia]

What about the truck??? Spoilers please..........Twice youve said something about it but not what it was..........saw movie twice and still dont get what you mean???

[sharke]

I hope they keep Dent dead. Bane would be the best character to bring in as he would fit in great in this universe. I think they could do a good job with the Riddler (rumored) as well.

whats up with the burning fire truck? it was only a roadblock.

[spacemonkeymafia]

Well if you want real world Bat villians here you go.......

Anarky:Lonnie Machin, a teenage prodigy who, believing in Anarchism, creates improvised gadgets and attempts to subvert government in order to improve society. Initially very young (age 12), his costume was designed to disguise his age. Batman recognizes him as a force for good, but does not support his violent methods. Was later the subject of a spin-off series, Anarky, and trade paperback, Batman: Anarky.

Black Mask:Roman Sionis, a former business executive who originally hated Bruce Wayne rather than Batman, wears a Black Mask and leads the cult-like False Face Society of henchmen. Black Mask eventually became a mob boss controlling large sections of Gotham's criminal underworld.

Hugo Strange:Strange is an insane psychologist who knows Bruce Wayne's secret identity and lusts to take the identity for himself. He is also a chemical genius.

Ventriloquist and Scarface:A new female Ventriloquist, called Sugar by Scarface, has surfaced in the page of Detective Comics and is hinted to be an old character long thought dead (as part of her face is shown to be scarred). She is a more compatible partner than Wesker, since Scarface no longer substitutes "b" with "g" and is much more compliant with Scarface's brutal methods. She and Scarface seem to have a relationship similar to the Joker and Harley Quinn. Her real name is revealed to be Peyton Reilly, the former fiance of a friend of Bruce Wayne and the daughter of a mob boss.

Those are a few that would work in the real World........

[Hit & Run]

When I was watching the movie, I knew that Gordon couldn't have died when he got shot. I realize these movies are slightly different from the comic books but Gordon would have never became commissioner if he died when we thought he did.

I just didn't know where he was going to come back or if at all during this particular movie but knew he wasn't dead.


I knew they had to let the Joker kill off someone important and when the thing with Gordon went down I actually bought it. I sat there thinking Nolan completely threw a curveball and killed off the one character that I thought had no chance of being killed.

Then when he showed back up with the Joker I was genuinely surprised. I marked out for this movie so bad.

Plus after the Gordon thing I stopped thinking Rachel was being killed since I assumed Harvey was going to be set off due to the accident. I don't know what happened, if it was the whole 2 AM thing or what but Nolan had me going this entire movie. I was shocked at every turn.

[spacemonkeymafia]

What about this burning truck??????

[BigErn]

Just saw it...

INCREDIBLE!!!

[Echo7Solo]

What about the truck??? Spoilers please..........Twice youve said something about it but not what it was..........saw movie twice and still dont get what you mean???

it's just the irony of a fire truck being on fire.

[spacemonkeymafia]

it's just the irony of a fire truck being on fire.


Thats it? That was the big joke? Thanks for pointing that out...........I thought there was something else about it........


Edited because I dont know why????????????????????

[BigErn]

I think Batman knew that Joker switched up the locations of Rachel and Harvey in the interrogation room. Batman pickes the Rachel location because he knew Dent was there and even though he loves Rachel he had to choose what was best for Gotham. Anyone agree?

[Echo7Solo]

I think Batman knew that Joker switched up the locations of Rachel and Harvey in the interrogation room. Batman pickes the Rachel location because he knew Dent was there and even though he loves Rachel he had to choose what was best for Gotham. Anyone agree?

no I didn't get that from the movie. I can see where you are coming from but I think it is just an example of the Joker pulling his card so to speak. The only thing he has over Batman is the fact that he is willing to do anything regardless of the cost. Rachel was too personal for Batman/Bruce

[sharke]

I think Joker knew Bats would be blinded and took advantage. Create chaos remember!

[Echo7Solo]

Thats it? That was the big joke? Thanks for pointing that out...........I thought there was something else about it........


Edited because I dont know why????????????????????

no there was nothing else about it. Just the irony of setting a fire turck on fire. Some people found it funny others did not. It is like if he threw the police in jail. Irony. You get it or you don't.

[spacemonkeymafia]

no there was nothing else about it. Just the irony of setting a fire turck on fire. Some people found it funny others did not. It is like if he threw the police in jail. Irony. You get it or you don't.

Not that i dont get it because I do....but the way it was talked about I expected more from the joke............

But you know if you go back and listen to Atlanis Morresit (How do you spell her name?) nothing is really ironic in her song "Ironic"

[Echo7Solo]

no there was nothing more to the joke. It is simply your own personal taste and what you find funny. That's it. I thought it was ironic and could see how the Joker could find it funny to do that but again it is something that isn't over your head just something that you don't find funny. Example.............. Jim Carrey. Some people can't get enough of him and I can't stand him. Personal taste. That simple.

[GI Guppy the third]

I really don't know how this movie could be topped. Themes alone, this was one of the strongest hero films I've seen. I can't think of a single villian that could be as deep as the Joker in this, without rehashing what this film accomplished.

[jgasbo1]

What about the truck??? Spoilers please..........Twice youve said something about it but not what it was..........saw movie twice and still dont get what you mean???

I think what he is referring to is the fact that a firetruck is on fire. Firetrucks put out fires.

[WVMojo]

Just got back from watching it...holy s@#t. I laughed so hard when he made the pencil disappear. Ledger was brilliant...

As for Two-face, I can't see them killing him off after only half a movie. I agree that we'll see him again.

So I think we need to start a petition that Christian Bale has to be Batman until he dies...by the time he's too old to do the acting CGI will be good enough you wont be able to tell who is real and who isn't. If Warner Bros have half a business mind, they'll ink all those mofo's to a few more movies, including Nolan. He's like Raimi and Spiderman, can't image one without him at the helm.

[WVMojo]

Speaking of Gordon, you knew he was going to show back up, he wasn't commissioner yet. As soon as they didn't show the driver's face of the armored truck my wife looked at me and I said yup that's Gordon...

[sharke]

^ I thought it was gonna be one of the Jokers men but I guess thats what they were going for.

[Mr. Focus]

I think Batman knew that Joker switched up the locations of Rachel and Harvey in the interrogation room. Batman pickes the Rachel location because he knew Dent was there and even though he loves Rachel he had to choose what was best for Gotham. Anyone agree?

I think you may have something! I don't know if Batman consciously chose Dent but I do think the Joker planned for Rachel to die and for Dent to survive, even if it meant switching the addresses.

1.) The Joker did mention he had an 'ACE' aka Dent that he was betting on.
2.) He made sure that both Rachel and Dent could hear one another over the intercom, just those two no one else.
3.) He gave Batman the addresses with just enough time to save one.
4.) He then reveals those involved in the kidnapping of Rachel to Dent.

As for the movie...WOW!!! That was no doubt two movies in one, from the plots to the movie length. OMG the Joker was AMAZING!!! Normally I root for the villains because I realize their importance to the hero knowing ultimately their going to lose. I gotta give it to the Joker, I had to starting rooting for Batman because the opposition was devastating our hero. The Joker was ABSOLUTELY ruthless...I want to say I loved him but I'm still in shock! Let me be the first to nominate Dark Knight Joker #1 villain of all time!

EDIT: I thought the irony that exuded from the 'burning' fire truck was HILARIOUS!!! Well played Joker.

[Echo7Solo]

Just got back from watching it...holy s@#t. I laughed so hard when he made the pencil disappear. Ledger was brilliant...

As for Two-face, I can't see them killing him off after only half a movie. I agree that we'll see him again.

So I think we need to start a petition that Christian Bale has to be Batman until he dies...by the time he's too old to do the acting CGI will be good enough you wont be able to tell who is real and who isn't. If Warner Bros have half a business mind, they'll ink all those mofo's to a few more movies, including Nolan. He's like Raimi and Spiderman, can't image one without him at the helm.

yeah I agree about Two-Face and yeah Bale is the only live action Bat from here on out for me. By the time he is too old just think, we will have Batman Beyond

[spacemonkeymafia]

no there was nothing more to the joke. It is simply your own personal taste and what you find funny. That's it. I thought it was ironic and could see how the Joker could find it funny to do that but again it is something that isn't over your head just something that you don't find funny. Example.............. Jim Carrey. Some people can't get enough of him and I can't stand him. Personal taste. That simple.

I feel the same way about Adam Sandler............ugh......

[sharke]

I feel the same way about Adam Sandler............ugh......

lmfao! dude, agreed completely!

[young1nj]

I just saw the movie as well.

I know the general batman storyline and main villians, and I totally fell for the soon to be commissioner being dead thing.

The joker was AMAZING...he was super creepy yet funny at the same time. Making the pencil disappear was just the first trick that was funny. I thought it was hilarious when he came out of the hospital building dressed like the nurse with the DENT patch when he was setting of the bombs, then the last bomb didn't work quite right. lol

They had very good twists and turns throughout the movie and you really didn't expect them, you know where your guessing whats going to happen( i do this while watching 24)

So many great parts, I will have to won this on DVD when it comes out.

I liked how batman seemed like a smart, yet arrogant, brave, and real person, not too much of a gadget super hero guy ( aka X-men using mutant powers) The fighting scenes seemed realistic and natural as well

I think this movie might be to this decade, with the great villain performace of the joker by heath ledger, what the first batman movie was to that decade( with Jack Nickolson as the joker. I think that the current joker was the most challenging batman villain yet and was the best villin yet.

Move was a bit long but it didn't bother me one bit, i was sitting on the edge of my seat half the time and i was well into it, it didn't seem like a 2 hour movie.

I would give it an 8 or 9 out of ten. Im a tough critic i guess. A must see movie, it if hasn't already been announced as the highest watched box office movie in a weekend, I think it will be!

[protoxero]

this was a good movie and would expect to see a third one, as the movies sales are way up. we can look to maby seeing a new joker or others from the batman world in the next movie.

[spacemonkeymafia]

....but they cant get someone to play the Joker....Ledger will never by topped EVER!!! Bring some new baddies on..........Hell bring on a "Worlds Finest" (Superman/Batman)

[BigErn]

^ I thought it was gonna be one of the Jokers men but I guess thats what they were going for.

That's what I thought, that's why it was so awesome when we saw Gordon holding the shotgun on Joker, the theater I was in just erupted with applause, hell yeahs and all kinds of other good stuff.

[G.I.Eddie]

EDDIE I SUGGEST you go see this NOW!
don't read the spoilers! GOOOOOOOOO *waves hand*

tomorrow, 5:30, i'm there!...it's gonna seem like forever till then

Example.............. Jim Carrey. Some people can't get enough of him and I can't stand him. Personal taste. That simple.

i love Jim Carrey...we are no longer friends!:D

[slg]

I saw this today with the family it was all I was hopping it would be. The joker was badass they will never find any one better then Heath to play that roll.

I knew Gordon was still alive. I saw a trailer with him in the integration room with the joker and that had not happened in the movie yet. So between that and the fact that he had not become commissioner yet.

I hope in the next move they have cat women. I think they could make her messed up like the joker but still be HOT.

[sharke]

i love Jim Carrey...we are no longer friends!:D

dude, Jim Carrey raped Echo's childhood

[Echo7Solo]

....but they cant get someone to play the Joker....Ledger will never by topped EVER!!! Bring some new baddies on..........Hell bring on a "Worlds Finest" (Superman/Batman)
I would LOVE to see that. But I just don't see how the boyscout fits into Nolan's world. If he won't let Robin in I don't see him letting in the son of Jor-El. As for the Joker this is just my opinion but prison changes a man. I could a reopened AA and a pretty little blonde dr going to do a psych work up on a high security "guest". You would never have to see the Joker but this would be a nice tip of the hat.


That's what I thought, that's why it was so awesome when we saw Gordon holding the shotgun on Joker, the theater I was in just erupted with applause, hell yeahs and all kinds of other good stuff.same here, both times.

tomorrow, 5:30, i'm there!...it's gonna seem like forever till then



i love Jim Carrey...we are no longer friends!:D

lol........ don't get me started on him or I'll have to yellow card myself

[Echo7Solo]

dude, Jim Carrey raped Echo's childhood


yeah and he was selling DOCs for Hasbro at Joe Con!

[RolandofGilead]

I just saw this movie this morning. We went to a 9:40am showing, hoping to avoid the crowds but they were all there. This movie was, for once, everything it was cracked up to be. The storyline, the visuals, and even the message were perfect. Heath Ledger set a new standard that I fear will never be topped. He was scary. When he was on screen and near regular people you feared for them. I also loved how they sort of incorporated the original way Joker appeard in the comics. I can't wait for part 3. They hinted at Cat Woman this time.

[Shin Densetsu]

I would LOVE to see that. But I just don't see how the boyscout fits into Nolan's world. If he won't let Robin in I don't see him letting in the son of Jor-El. As for the Joker this is just my opinion but prison changes a man. I could a reopened AA and a pretty little blonde dr going to do a psych work up on a high security "guest". You would never have to see the Joker but this would be a nice tip of the hat.
The only way the boyscout ever fit in Batman's world was in Frank Miller's world, where Batman beat the shit out of Superman with concrete gloves and boots(Dark Knight Returns). World's finest ass kicking.
this was a good movie and would expect to see a third one, as the movies sales are way up. we can look to maby seeing a new joker or others from the batman world in the next movie.
I'd prefer a new villain or villains to see Nolan's take on Batman's Rogue's gallery. Maybe Bane, or Mr. Freeze, hell Manbat too. Poison Ivy might be good, because after this movie, Bruce is still reeling from losing Rachel.

It would be awesome to see Talia Al Ghoul, and see Ras return with the League...ninjas RULE.

[RolandofGilead]

Don't forget that it was mentioned when Batman got the new suit that he'd be in big trouble with a "Cat." That sounded like the kind of hint they gave with the Joker card at the end of Begins.

As for Superman, I love the character, and love the idea of getting Bale and the new Supes together. Perhaps in a Justice League movie.

[Echo7Solo]

I think it is too soon for Ras again. Also Nolan is trying to keep things as "real world" as he can. I think he will turn more toward the detective side of Batman. I think the best way of doing that would be with Catwoman. Nolan also likes to use the rogues in twos. I could see Batman being after The Riddler or Penguin and Catwoman being kind of caught in the middle. Penguin would make the most sense but I think it would be the biggest kick in the nuts to Burton if he did that. Show him how to use BOTH right. On the other hand I'd love to see his take on Riddler.

[shockblast]

I posted the firetruck thing really early in the post because...I just simply thought it was a nice touch that showed these film makers understood the joker... not a big deal. I'm new here and didn't want to post to much of a spoiler and ruin the movie for someone else and end up with someone flameing me for doing do.

I bought the gordon death too.

The pencil was awesome.

and why would you want to read spoilers if you didn't see the movie?

[flashjack]

I just caught the movie and like everyone absolutely loved it!

I don't think Rachel died though, in the last shot of her you could clearly see she was in a medical bag like used to transport severely burnt patients plus she had an oxygen mask on?

Some might not think Maggie G is pretty but I feel she is sexy in her own way. I can totally picture her set loose as Harley Quinn, like the explosion gave her brain damage and she started to worship the Joker in some twisted way. Would be really interesting if Batman had to fight the woman he loved. To see the corruption/chaos he fought so valiantly against take root in whom he held most dear.

[shockblast]

I just caught the movie and like everyone absolutely loved it!

I don't think Rachel died though, in the last shot of her you could clearly see she was in a medical bag like used to transport severely burnt patients plus she had an oxygen mask on?

Some might not think Maggie G is pretty but I feel she is sexy in her own way. I can totally picture her set loose as Harley Quinn, like the explosion gave her brain damage and she started to worship the Joker in some twisted way. Would be really interesting if Batman had to fight the woman he loved. To see the corruption/chaos he fought so valiantly against take root in whom he held most dear.

I heard a Harley Quinn rumor prior to seing the movie and I thought thats what they were going to do with rachel at the end of the movie and think she would make a good harley quinn

[Hit & Run]

I think you may have something! I don't know if Batman consciously chose Dent but I do think the Joker planned for Rachel to die and for Dent to survive, even if it meant switching the addresses.

1.) The Joker did mention he had an 'ACE' aka Dent that he was betting on.
2.) He made sure that both Rachel and Dent could hear one another over the intercom, just those two no one else.
3.) He gave Batman the addresses with just enough time to save one.
4.) He then reveals those involved in the kidnapping of Rachel to Dent.


Firstly, I completely believe the Joker wanted Rachel dead and Harvey saved.

I still can't decide if I think Batman knew or not. When he shows up at the warehouse he doesn't look surprised to see Dent lying on the floor (unless I was so shocked that it wasn't Rachel and I missed it) so that leads me to think he may have assumed the Joker changed the address.

On the other hand, at that point in the movie I think Bruce's judgement would have still been clouded to the point where he would have gone after Rachel even though he believed Dent could save Gotham.

And I don't believe Batman figures that the Joker's plan involved corrupting Harvey until Joker tells him at the end. This is what steers me to thinking Batman was going to save Rachel regardless of what the consequences were.

[Reznor]

So what would be some good choices for villians in another Nolan Batman film?

Nolan obviously doesn't do the super powers thing, so that takes out quite a few, Im on the edge of whether to include Killer Croc in this catagory or not. Im not for sure if he would fit well or not, and if he did, he just doesn't have much to him other than being a side villian or henchman type.

Villians who use their brains seems to be the main focus on his villians (which is awesome). So that could easily fit Riddler in there, and I think Pinguin could even fit in there if he was "Nolan-ized" a bit. Ive seen someone mention Andy Serkis would be a good actor for him, and I completely second that. The guy is totally underrated as an actual actor.

I also like the possibility of Bane. I think that character has a lot of potential, an overseas mobster who basically does his own dirty work, powered by some insta-steroid. I think they would have to lower the whole "the venom turns him 3 times his size" angle, and maybe just make it give him a huge amount of adrenalin or something, making him pretty well impervious to pain and raging him out in a fight basically.

I also think Deadshot would be an AWESOME villian, he could either fit in as just a badass side villain who is a thorn in Batman's side. One of Deadshots main gigs was, when he first came around, he was acting as a crimefighter/vigilante. He then turned on Batman and showed that he was actually taking out parts of the mob so that he could take it over.

And I may be one of few, but I think you could easily add Robin into the mix of a Nolan movie. Maybe not as Robin per-say, but maybe as Nightwing. Not use him as a kid who Batman takes under his wings, but maybe as another vigilante, who buts heads with Batman several times, until the end, when they have to help eachother out and form a partnership.

Just imagine a cocky, arrogant Dick Grayson causing shit for Bruce Wayne, and a bad-ass Nightwing pissin off Batman. I think it would be brilliant, a kind of "realizing I can't do this by myself" type story.

And I know a lot of people complained about how little the Scarecrow was used in Dark Knight, but I thought it was friggin brilliant!!! Just to show that he was still around and causing problems. It reminded me of comics, how a story may start with joining at the end of fighting one villain, and setting up the story that goes on. Pure genius in my mind!

[Hit & Run]

And I know a lot of people complained about how little the Scarecrow was used in Dark Knight, but I thought it was friggin brilliant!!! Just to show that he was still around and causing problems. It reminded me of comics, how a story may start with joining at the end of fighting one villain, and setting up the story that goes on. Pure genius in my mind!

People complained about the Scarecrow in the movie? I agree with you, I thought it was great to see what he was up to. That's another reason I hope that Two-Face isn't dead. Even if they choose not to go back to using him as a main villian, even a short 5 minute cameo of Aaron Eckhart being in a future film would be awesome. It's one thing I always loved in the Animated Series. Someone being dragged into Arkhum and the Mad Hatter peering through his cell laughing.

[Reznor]

I was kinda playing with a couple of ideas story wise.

Batman: Knightfall

City is actually doing pretty okay, living off the spirit of the goodwill of Harvey Dent, and his "Sacrifice" to the city. Unfortunately, the city is seeking Batman's blood, pinning Harvey's death on him, and saying he went to far killing all the cops (that 2-face killed). So all the cops are on the look out for him and nothing good is being said about him.

Gordon is trying to deal with the fact that he wants to help batman, but cannot due to having to lie about Harvey and blame everything on Batman, while also telling his force to arrest Batman on sight.

Meanwhile, a freighter ship from another country comes in unexpected. It turns out to be a mafia type group from Brazil. They force their way into the city and basically tell all the remaining mafia groups that this new group wants to meet with them, that things in Gotham are about to change.

Gordon receives word that an old flame of his had just recently died. Her and Gordon had a daughter (about 19 yo now), and now that the mother died, she has no where to stay, so Gordon offers her (Barbara) to stay with his family. Turns out that Barbara is a bit much for him to handle, always partying, going out late, and being kind of a bitch.

Batman is doing his thing, taking out some thugs when he gets mildly injured, and looks to be in trouble. All of a sudden Nightwing comes in and in Nightwings eyes, "saves his ass". Batman treats him like another Batman wannabe and actually tries to subdue him to be arrested later, but Nightwing shows himself to be capable, and gets away.

Meanwhile, the Brazilian mafia have a meeting with the remaining Gotham mafias (not much left). Turns out that the Brazilian leader is Bane (not masked yet). He's a pretty large guy, not superhuman large, but "I wouldn't F with this guy" large.

Bane talks about how the Gotham mafias arent even mafias anymore, all their bosses have been killed or arrested, and they are basically dogs eating scraps. He offers them to work for them, and they mention the Batman problem. Bane states that he is bringing an assassin to help him take care of the problem, "No jokes... just death".

So Barbara ends up coming home to Gordons house with her Boyfriend from her other town, a rich boy named Dick Grayson (Early to mid 20's), who moved to Gotham since he had no family at the other place, Barbara is the closest to family Dick has got.

So you can add some scenes here too, where Dick is causing all types of political problems with Bruce Wayne and Wayne industries (maybe a rival company or some type of attempt of buy-out).

A couple of more adventures with Batman taking out thugs, Nightwing again interferes and more arguing insists. During this, Deadshot takes a shot at Batman, but Nightwing saves his ass by taking the shot. Batman goes after Deadshot, but hes gone, then he goes to check on Nightwing, but he is gone too.

Bane is pissed at Deadshot, and demands that he goes with him on the next attempt "Have to get things done myself". He hooks himself up with some kind of IV equipment attached to his wrist and dons a brazilian wrestler's mask. He also states that they to distract Batman and his new friend if they want a clear shot of him again since he will be ready.

Bruce Wayne sees Dick Grayson at a party, and notices that he has been injured, so he just figured out who Nightwing is and finds out that Dick is dating Gordons daughter.

He investigates and realizes that the hometown of Dick and Barbara, there were stories of a smaller scale Batman type vigilante, and that Dick Grayson was basically the Bruce Wayne of that town. He also realizes that Barbara is stealing information from Gordon to help Nightwing on his patrols, so shes actually a good person, just being a bitch to Gordon to keep him from realizing what she was doing.

Wayne and Alfred talk about possibilities of passing on the torch and retiring, and how nice it would be that Bruce didnt have to do ALL of the physical work. Wayne admits it sounds nice, and starts showing a bit of respect towards Grayson.

Bane and Deadshot end up going to Arkham, and end up breaking out a good deal of the prisoners there. But before they are able to break out the big boys (Joker and whatnot), Batman arrives and Bane and Deadshot break off, leaving Batman to deal with the cops and the prisoners. Nightwing shows up to help. Batman ends up inviting him to his hideout (New Mansion), where he admits he's Bruce Wayne. They then make plans of how to stop the prisoners, and also understanding that its a ploy of Banes to get Batman out in the open.

This leads to several scenes of Batman and Nightwing trying to clean up the Narrows again and ultimately ends with Nightwing taking on Deadshot, and Batman taking on the roid-raged Bane.

now where it goes from there, who knows, you could play it with the trilogy manner, and actually have Batman get his back broken by Bane, and Nightwing kinda taking over his place, therefore giving the trilogy a true beginning, middle, and end, with a partially paralized Wayne retiring from Batman and handing Wayne industries to Grayson.

[Reznor]

People complained about the Scarecrow in the movie? I agree with you, I thought it was great to see what he was up to. That's another reason I hope that Two-Face isn't dead. Even if they choose not to go back to using him as a main villian, even a short 5 minute cameo of Aaron Eckhart being in a future film would be awesome. It's one thing I always loved in the Animated Series. Someone being dragged into Arkhum and the Mad Hatter peering through his cell laughing.


Yeah, I had read a lot of posts in other boards saying things about how stupid it was to have Cillian Murphy back and using him so little.

Yeah, I LOVE cameos if they are used correctly.

[spacemonkeymafia]

But there will be no Nightwing....if there is no Robin........and if your going to think about future stories for more Bat Flicks......look towards a Long Halloween.........or a Year Two story.......

[Jdizzle66]

I like when bruce is getting his new suit and asks if it will protect against dogs, and lucias says "it will protect against cats for sure"

[sharke]

So what would be some good choices for villians in another Nolan Batman film?

Nolan obviously doesn't do the super powers thing, so that takes out quite a few, Im on the edge of whether to include Killer Croc in this catagory or not. Im not for sure if he would fit well or not, and if he did, he just doesn't have much to him other than being a side villian or henchman type.


I agree I think Croc could work as an enforcer very well, anyway...


Villians I could see working
Bane
Catwoman
Riddler
Hush
Deadshot
KIller Croc (see TAS for a good way he could be done)
Harley Quinn
G.C.P.D. (don't know if villian is right term but I really think a 3rd one will spend a lot of time dealing with bat vs cops aspect)
Black Mask
Phantasm

villians that I don't see panning out
Clayface
Mr. Freeze
The Penguin
Mad Hatter
Poison Ivy
Holiday

[SPECTER]

Next movie needs a female villian in it, imo.
Catwoman
Talia al Ghul
Andrea Beaumont(Phantasm)
Harley Quinn

[goblin]

i loved the part when the jokers walking away from hospital in nurses outfit pressing detonator!!!!classic.they need to make THAT figure!!!!!

[sharke]

Next movie needs a female villian in it, imo.
Catwoman
Talia al Ghul
Andrea Beaumont(Phantasm)
Harley Quinn

see I think it'd be cool if they put Dawes as the Phantasm

[RolandofGilead]

Remember that huge scary convict on the Ferry who took the Joker's remote and tossed it out the window? I was looking at him closeley and he had scars that looked like bolts or something on his neck. My first thought was of Bane and his Venom tubes. That guy would make an excellent reimagining of Bane.

[sharke]

my first thought was of bane and his venom tubes. That guy would make an excellent reimagining of bane.

brilliant!!

[Sysiss]

Remember that huge scary convict on the Ferry who took the Joker's remote and tossed it out the window? I was looking at him closeley and he had scars that looked like bolts or something on his neck. My first thought was of Bane and his Venom tubes. That guy would make an excellent reimagining of Bane.


That was Tommy "Tiny" Lister. Hes been around for awhile in all sorts of crap. He was "Zeus" if you payed attention to wrestling back in the day, the show "Enterprise", the "Friday" movies and so on.


Next movie needs a female villian in it, imo.
Catwoman
Talia al Ghul
Andrea Beaumont(Phantasm)
Harley Quinn

Hows this for scenario........the Joker gets picked up and sent to Arkham, or killed. Harley Quinn being his love interest or just a regular girl becomes infatuated, having a sort of admiration for and sees the Joker as some sort of idol/hero. She herself having similar mental issues begins to relate to him and cuts out news paper clippings, sees him on T.V. and so forth as the Joker's reign of terror blankets Gotham.

Engulfed by his charisma, she begins to look at him as a God and a cult-like status ensues, maybe she's one of his thugs. As the Joker is no longer in the picture, his throne becomes vacant. Harley dons similar make-up.... continues her idols legacy and vows revenge against Batman for killing/imprisoning the Joker, thus becoming Gotham's "New" Joker. A sort of "copycat." The reign of terror then continues under a new name, but under a similar and inspired premise.


If you wanted to go the female route i could see something like this working. Just some ideas. I thought that Ledger's joker was so good that I'd rather have Warner Bros. some how right him off then have someone come back AS him. Seems like it would be a disaster. You know how it is when they start changing actors for big time roles, a mess.

If it were me....write it into the script of what happened to him and then go in a new direction.

[RedEyes]

Hey guys, was just wondering is there was anything after the credits? I left once the movie ended(needed a cigarette bad.:). Just wanted to see if I missed out on anything.

[Hit & Run]

Yeah, I had read a lot of posts in other boards saying things about how stupid it was to have Cillian Murphy back and using him so little.

Yeah, I LOVE cameos if they are used correctly.

Absolutely. A good cameo beats forcing Scarecrow into the main plot with nothing to do.

And hats off to Cillian Murphy for signing up for the sequel. He definitely could have blown it off for his part being so small but I thought it added a lot to the movie. It gave it more of a comic book continuity feel.

Hey guys, was just wondering is there was anything after the credits? I left once the movie ended(needed a cigarette bad.:). Just wanted to see if I missed out on anything.

Nope, you didn't miss anything.

[Gulfster]

Did I miss something about Scarecrow being out of the Asylum or something.Last I remember of him in Bbegins was he was locked up.Anyone have any knowledge or ideas how he got out?

[RedEyes]

Nope, you didn't miss anything.

Ok, cool. Thanks.

[onefastbird95]

Did I miss something about Scarecrow being out of the Asylum or something.Last I remember of him in Bbegins was he was locked up.Anyone have any knowledge or ideas how he got out?

I was wondering what was going on with the scarecrow in dark knight as well...

[sharke]

Did I miss something about Scarecrow being out of the Asylum or something.Last I remember of him in Bbegins was he was locked up.Anyone have any knowledge or ideas how he got out?

I was wondering what was going on with the scarecrow in dark knight as well...

He was out in the end. Remember he got shot in the face with a taser then his horse took off into oblivion.

[Hit & Run]

Did I miss something about Scarecrow being out of the Asylum or something.Last I remember of him in Bbegins was he was locked up.Anyone have any knowledge or ideas how he got out?

He was out in the end. Remember he got shot in the face with a taser then his horse took off into oblivion.

They give you a little more of what he was doing inbetween films in the Batman: Gotham Knight DVD too.

[Gulfster]

Thanks to everyone who replied to my scarecrow post.I think I'm going to go buy the Gotham Knight movie and check it out.I can't wait to see dark knight again.

[Snake Eyes-Joe Ninja]

DEADSHOT AND KILLER CROC have already appeared in the Nolanverse. Gotham KNight animated DVD is set between Batman Begins and Dark Knight, and they both appear in the movie.

I agree with the copycat Harley idea.

But the next big vilian?

My guess is Black Mask. The writer said he wanted to do someone who hasn't been in the movies yet, and the only villians "big" enough would be Hush and Black Mask, when one considers the "very realistic" Nolanverse. I'd figure Mask, as he has less of a backstory and can be used more effiiently in a 2 1/2 hour movie. Plus, being a kingpin character would allow the use of characters such as Firefly and others, perhaps a cameo by a tux wearing arms dealer called the Penguin, as originially rumored? Or an intelligent muscle head named Bane? Not to mention, Black Mask was in the first couple of story/ script treatments for Dark Knight.

[spacemonkeymafia]

Well if you want real world Bat villians here you go.......

Anarky:Lonnie Machin, a teenage prodigy who, believing in Anarchism, creates improvised gadgets and attempts to subvert government in order to improve society. Initially very young (age 12), his costume was designed to disguise his age. Batman recognizes him as a force for good, but does not support his violent methods. Was later the subject of a spin-off series, Anarky, and trade paperback, Batman: Anarky.

Black Mask:Roman Sionis, a former business executive who originally hated Bruce Wayne rather than Batman, wears a Black Mask and leads the cult-like False Face Society of henchmen. Black Mask eventually became a mob boss controlling large sections of Gotham's criminal underworld.

Hugo Strange:Strange is an insane psychologist who knows Bruce Wayne's secret identity and lusts to take the identity for himself. He is also a chemical genius.

Ventriloquist and Scarface:A new female Ventriloquist, called Sugar by Scarface, has surfaced in the page of Detective Comics and is hinted to be an old character long thought dead (as part of her face is shown to be scarred). She is a more compatible partner than Wesker, since Scarface no longer substitutes "b" with "g" and is much more compliant with Scarface's brutal methods. She and Scarface seem to have a relationship similar to the Joker and Harley Quinn. Her real name is revealed to be Peyton Reilly, the former fiance of a friend of Bruce Wayne and the daughter of a mob boss.

Those are a few that would work in the real World........

[sharke]

from what they said Im starting to think Black Mask as well. BUT I WANT BANE DAMNIT!

[Snake Eyes-Joe Ninja]

Well if you want real world Bat villians here you go.......

Anarky:Lonnie Machin, a teenage prodigy who, believing in Anarchism, creates improvised gadgets and attempts to subvert government in order to improve society. Initially very young (age 12), his costume was designed to disguise his age. Batman recognizes him as a force for good, but does not support his violent methods. Was later the subject of a spin-off series, Anarky, and trade paperback, Batman: Anarky.

Black Mask:Roman Sionis, a former business executive who originally hated Bruce Wayne rather than Batman, wears a Black Mask and leads the cult-like False Face Society of henchmen. Black Mask eventually became a mob boss controlling large sections of Gotham's criminal underworld.

Hugo Strange:Strange is an insane psychologist who knows Bruce Wayne's secret identity and lusts to take the identity for himself. He is also a chemical genius.

Ventriloquist and Scarface:A new female Ventriloquist, called Sugar by Scarface, has surfaced in the page of Detective Comics and is hinted to be an old character long thought dead (as part of her face is shown to be scarred). She is a more compatible partner than Wesker, since Scarface no longer substitutes "b" with "g" and is much more compliant with Scarface's brutal methods. She and Scarface seem to have a relationship similar to the Joker and Harley Quinn. Her real name is revealed to be Peyton Reilly, the former fiance of a friend of Bruce Wayne and the daughter of a mob boss.

Those are a few that would work in the real World........

Yeah, I saw your list. I wouldn't think Anarky or even Hugo Strange would be BIG enough to usewin a film. Black Mask is a bit more known, though not to the general public, lol. Scarface would just be too obscure for a film, imho.

[spacemonkeymafia]

Yeah, I saw your list. I wouldn't think Anarky or even Hugo Strange would be BIG enough to usewin a film. Black Mask is a bit more known, though not to the general public, lol. Scarface would just be too obscure for a film, imho.

Maybe but you have to think about how out there some of his Villians are those are just a few that I think could really happen or come to be........

[Drill]

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I have the Pencil Trick shot for shot here (Superherohype can be an awesome place) but I would like them as a GIF. Can anybody who knows how to make a GIF out of these help me out?

[CLIFFjump3r]

Firstly, I completely believe the Joker wanted Rachel dead and Harvey saved.

I still can't decide if I think Batman knew or not. When he shows up at the warehouse he doesn't look surprised to see Dent lying on the floor (unless I was so shocked that it wasn't Rachel and I missed it) so that leads me to think he may have assumed the Joker changed the address.

On the other hand, at that point in the movie I think Bruce's judgement would have still been clouded to the point where he would have gone after Rachel even though he believed Dent could save Gotham.

And I don't believe Batman figures that the Joker's plan involved corrupting Harvey until Joker tells him at the end. This is what steers me to thinking Batman was going to save Rachel regardless of what the consequences were.

I totally agree with everything you said. ^ One things for sure, with Harvey Dent no longer a savior of the city, and Rachel dead, the Batman has no reason to retire. I just have to wonder though, if one ferry did blow up the other, would Batman decide to let the Joker fall to his death, instead of catching him like he did? (He did kill his love interest/childhood friend afterall.)

[Blaster'spunchingbagg]

whats to get about the burning fire truck?


??????

[Blaster'spunchingbagg]

Anyways I just came back from seeing it, I know Nolan said he wouldn't do characters done before, but he used the joker didn't he? Well with Rachel out of the picture Batman will need a new love interest, enter Selina Kyle(played by Halle Berry) . . . Just kidding, Selina can either have the ex-prostitute role, in the comics or the animal rights activist in the Animated Series, I could see both as refreshing ideas. Maybe the cameo as Two-Face, but the problem is I'm not sure Catwoman can sustain a two hour movie?

[MLos1]

The Dark Knight- A Triumph
written by: Mike Losquadro

(I write professionally for a film review website, figured I'd share my assignment since a lot of us JOE fans seem to be Batman fans too)


Superheroes everywhere this summer, right? We had Iron Man kicking ass, The Incredible Hulk getting pissed and bashing stuff, even Hellboy is back to raise hell again. But, The Dark Knight trumps them all. This is an amazingly sophisticated, dark thrilling ride that will totally satisfy Bat-Geeks and all others.

I loved how when I first read early reviews, that screenwriter David S. Goyer actually said he: "...can't believe his name was attached to a script this good." Goyer gets story credit while it's a screenplay by Chris and Jon Nolan. And he was right. The script is "THIS GOOD." And screenwriters usually balk about their drafts and contributions being all fucked up by studios and fat-headed producers, however, not in this case.

We all knew this movie was going to be the one to watch out and wait for, with Ledger's not-so-typical casting as The Joker, and shitty untimely demise adding fuel to all sorts of Dark Knight related fires. The reveal of Aaron Eckhart as Harvey Dent, and Katie Holmes dropping out because she just had to make the flick Mad Money, instead of tending to her role of Bat's semi- love interest, (I just think Tom Cruise didn't want her to be in a cooler movie than he's been in in like ten years, so he threatened to send the kid on a magic kool aid drinking ride to meet Emog or whomever those Sci-guys pray to.) Plus, all the other vets returning from the first film, and a kick ass viral marketing barrage solidified this film as a the must of all musts before a trailer even hit.

Why so serious? How about a better question? Why so good? It's the script people, plain and simple. It's the words on the page that completely fit together without a gap. It's just that simple, it's an awesome piece of fiction put to screen with perfection. The unavoidable cliches that superhero flicks always have actually work here, because it's written that way. The changes to the Bat Suit, and the addition of the Bat Pod work, because they are written that way. Nothing is left loose and unexplained, like: "Okay now we just have a Batpod, because we need a cool new vehicle and set piece." This script totally takes everything into account and seemlessly ties together Batman's adventure as The Dark Knight. Hell, even the requests that Christain Bale made after the first movie wrapped, when talking about how he'd like to move better, and feel more agile and expressive in the Batsuit to sway his neck more, and turn his head easier actually became dialogue in the film. Example...

Line: "Lucius, I need to see while I'm driving in reverse."

It's all necessary. It's not just some trite. Like Batsuit nipples and overblown cod-pieces in fight scenes that use more blacklight paint than a stoner's girlfriend doing up her masterpiece on a dorm room wall.

Direction, Editing, Cinematography, Producing- all A+. It's that easy to review. When you compare this flick to blockbuster Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, it makes it look like the script and the performances in the Indy world were all conceived in the romper room. By veteran filmmakers and writers and actors no-less, sans Shia Lebeouf of course. But, Spielberg should take some notes here, and Spiels has been doing this waaaay longer than Nolan and the boys, although credit is due him for discovering Bale, when he did Empire Of The Sun.

Now, let's talk The Joker, because that's what all the not-even-close-to -giving-a-shit about Batman people will want to see the flick for.

Ledger is ruthless as The Joker, he's left of unknown origin, and completely and utterly maniacal in every possible way. He's a villain, not a cartoon, or you're funny old Joker. And most importantly he serves as the perfect antithesis for all Batman stands for as a symbol in Gotham City. He's a psychopathic entity that lives for one reason, and that is to wreak havoc for the sake of wreaking havoc. And Ledger played it perfectly. There's beauty in his sociopathic simplicity, licking his lips like a rabid dog at times, all contorted and hunched over at other times like a monster, but other instances straight-up in your face as a man not to be fucked with. He's no Cesar Romero or Jack Nicholson here. Basically, he's evil incarnate. 1 step down from Satan himself.

As for the other characters, they grow a bit, Bale as Wayne has some cool "rich guy" moments, but as Batman he's still all gravel voiced and ass kicking but more seasoned. Gary Oldman plays a significantly larger part in this installment and it grows throughout, as does Morgan Freeman. The Flick is almost 3 hours long, so there's plenty of time for everyone to play. Michael Caine, as Alfred, is the perfect wise old seer yet again. And Maggie Gyllenhaal is a refreshing burst of tough femininity in an otherwise "boys" movie. But for me, the suprise was Aaron Eckhart as Harvey Dent, he's great. And what makes it work for him is that when he finally does snap into his villain's psycho-mode, we don't just end the film and wait for a sequal to see how nuts he can be, we get at least 45 mins worth of him as full blown "Two-Face" before the flick ends.

It's hard to top a film like this in every aspect. Iron Man is the second best film of the summer, now that TDK has arrived. Where Iron Man gave us thrills and spills and laughs that put it on everyone's fave list. The Dark Knight gives us solid bonebreaking ass kicking, a perfectly psychotic villain, and a supporting cast being guided by a script that's miraculously good and handled with such care it's just plain crazy.

P.S- Maybe the team in charge of Superman over at Warner Bros. will wake up after this, and give the world a Superman movie that is AT LEAST, on par with The Dark Knigiht and Batman Begins.

Funfacts-Cillian Murphy returns for a nice cameo as The Scarecrow once again. Anthony Michael Hall plays a reporter much like that of Robert Wuhl's in the original Tim Burton directed Batman. Eric Roberts replaces Tom Wilkinson at the top of the Mob food chain, while sidekick of TV's "The Tick" Nestor Carbonell, also known as "Bat-Manuel" plays it serious here, as the Mayor of Gotham City.

[MLos1]

Black Mask eventually became a mob boss controlling large sections of Gotham's criminal underworld and Hugo Strange are my bets for the next Villains. Strange would work because he'd push the buttons on the Bruce Wayne Batman alter ego thing because he knows who he is.

The Riddler could work if done with dark humor and his riddles are very violent, but again, he's too costumed, be cool if they morph The Riddler into a computer hacker and have him creating codes and his hacker name is The Riddler instead of a dude with huge question marks on a green suit.

I think the next villains should be anti-joker and even, less costumed, and more masterminds with a purpose other than wreaking havoc with major mob ties, and maybe even Yakuza ties.

These ideas seem to have the most potential for integration into this incarnation of Batman. Especially since the Black Mask has major Mob ties and the Mob has been a huge motif thus far. I'd like them to keep that angle going. Keep the criminal underworld stewing over, but yet fearing "The Batman."

Once you start to take a movie and fill it with mutated villains like Bane, and The Penguin, and costumed weirdo's like Catwoman, you're treading too close to the movies that were and creating needed back story. Joker worked because he comes from nowhere, with no real back story, like a force of nature, to kick ass.

I think Goyer and the Nolan's will always keep Batman as the biggest costumed weirdo of them all. Which would eliminate man bat and killer croc too. Both are too hokey.

And no Robin, Nolan stated that in this Batman universe "Robin is a baby in a crib somewhere..."

[Ruderic]

I knew they had to let the Joker kill off someone important and when the thing with Gordon went down I actually bought it. I sat there thinking Nolan completely threw a curveball and killed off the one character that I thought had no chance of being killed.

Then when he showed back up with the Joker I was genuinely surprised. I marked out for this movie so bad.



I knew he couldn't be dead either but between the police going to see his wife and flashbacks of other comic book movies where characters that should not die do die (Cyclops for example) they fooled us too.

[Reznor]

The Riddler could work if done with dark humor and his riddles are very violent, but again, he's too costumed, be cool if they morph The Riddler into a computer hacker and have him creating codes and his hacker name is The Riddler instead of a dude with huge question marks on a green suit.

Once you start to take a movie and fill it with mutated villains like Bane, and The Penguin, and costumed weirdo's like Catwoman, you're treading too close to the movies that were and creating needed back story. Joker worked because he comes from nowhere, with no real back story, like a force of nature, to kick ass.


That is a cool take on the Riddler, but just like you spun the Riddler into something that could fit into Nolans universe, you could do that with quite a few villians. Imagine Andy Serkis http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/7/20308385236.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic/8474448) playing Oswald "The Penguin" Cobblepot. More of a maffia guy then a mutated penguin looking guy. Just a creepy guy who got nicknamed the penguin because of his black and white suits and weird laugh or something.

Bane I could also see working, if you don't have him masked for a majority of the time, and make the mask something simple and only used once or twice. The venom gimmick could easily be brought in as just a souped up insta steroid, not really changing mass in the guy, but just making him 'rage' out and pumping his adrenaline to abnormal levels, causing him to be extremely violent and being able to take a ton of pain, and simplifying how he injects the drug, not having tubes all over him.

[Snake Eyes-Joe Ninja]

I think Bane would indeed work if done wel, as would the Riddler, though I prefer the potrayal of the character in the Batman series that just finished up (sad day).

I would just love to see a live action Black Mask though, lol.

[Snake Eyes-Joe Ninja]

It said in the novelization that Two-Face is dead, I guess.

[popsicleviper]

I just saw this today and I'm speechless, just amazing.
I must see it again soon. I'm curious as well as to what the next movie will consist of...

[Shadow Ninja]

....but they cant get someone to play the Joker....Ledger will never by topped EVER!!! Bring some new baddies on..........Hell bring on a "Worlds Finest" (Superman/Batman)

Never say never!! There is always someone else out there!!!!

[TheLongestDay]

ive been waiting for this movie since i left the theatre after seeing Batman Begins...

Im a movie buff and have seen thousands of movies-AND THIS IS NOW MY FAVE MOVIE OF ALL TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TheLongestDay]

That is a cool take on the Riddler, but just like you spun the Riddler into something that could fit into Nolans universe, you could do that with quite a few villians. Imagine Andy Serkis http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/7/20308385236.jpg (http://www.putfile.com/pic/8474448) playing Oswald "The Penguin" Cobblepot. More of a maffia guy then a mutated penguin looking guy. Just a creepy guy who got nicknamed the penguin because of his black and white suits and weird laugh or something.

Bane I could also see working, if you don't have him masked for a majority of the time, and make the mask something simple and only used once or twice. The venom gimmick could easily be brought in as just a souped up insta steroid, not really changing mass in the guy, but just making him 'rage' out and pumping his adrenaline to abnormal levels, causing him to be extremely violent and being able to take a ton of pain, and simplifying how he injects the drug, not having tubes all over him.

I met Andy Serkis just after Batman Begins came out-I asked him if hed be interested in playing the joker (this was way before Ledger was cast) and he said hed love to do it and hed love to work with Chris Nolan...about a year after that he starred in Nolans "The Prestige"...not saying i had anything to do with that of course! :)

[Optimus Scourge]

I absolutely love this movie. I have seen it twice now and will likely go again. First movie in a long while a movie actually blew me away when I expected it to.

The story for Harvey was great and refreshing at the same time

The Dark Knight really lives up to all the hype. I can't wait to see it again!

Ledger=Legend

[annihilator]

yeah, Ledger was suprisingly great as the Joker - not your grand daddy's Joker but he played it to perfection. Normally, they don't hand out awards to movies like these but it wouldn't surprise me if he gets the Best Supporting nod.

[Reznor]

I met Andy Serkis just after Batman Begins came out-I asked him if hed be interested in playing the joker (this was way before Ledger was cast) and he said hed love to do it and hed love to work with Chris Nolan...about a year after that he starred in Nolans "The Prestige"...not saying i had anything to do with that of course! :)

Serkis seems like he would be a real cool and humble guy to meet. Im jealous man, outta all the celebs in the world, hes on the top list of celebs Id like to meet. Dude helped revolutionize the digital world, and is a great character actor to boot!

[Amberbratt]

the only 2 things i did not like about this movie is...

the batman voice should have been the two face voice.

Two face looks to much like BILL PULL MAN (even though the guy who played him (eckhardt) he is a good actor)

Also.. Batman sounds like he has a SEVERE CASE OF HEMMROIDS..

other than that... the movie was good for a middle part...

Love the new suit!!!!

I liek it even more coz I have the unmasked fig X2


Now if i could just find the joker thugs......

[GI abe444]

Went and saw it on base and the theater was completey packed ! Guess i'm not the only Batman fan in the Army lol. The movie was just awsome and you should do yourself a favor and see it for yourself !

[Reznor]

Two face looks to much like BILL PULL MAN (even though the guy who played him (eckhardt) he is a good actor)



uh... ok... so you were bothered because Erin Eckhardt looked like BILL PULL MAN... I honestly don't really see the resemblance, but to have that as a "thing I didn't like about the movie" is a bit strange imo.

[mizak23]

yeah, Ledger was suprisingly great as the Joker - not your grand daddy's Joker but he played it to perfection. Normally, they don't hand out awards to movies like these but it wouldn't surprise me if he gets the Best Supporting nod.

Wouldn't surprise me either, Johnny Depp was nominated for Best Actor for Jack Sparrow and Alec Guinness was nominated for supporting actor as Obi-Wan

[TheLongestDay]

Serkis seems like he would be a real cool and humble guy to meet. Im jealous man, outta all the celebs in the world, hes on the top list of celebs Id like to meet. Dude helped revolutionize the digital world, and is a great character actor to boot!

he was awesome-super friendly!

The band was playing at the same event and when everything was all packing down he was still hanging around so i just went up and started chatting to him,he also said Batman Begins was by far the best comic book movie and I gave him our CD cuz he said he liked our set-he seemed really grateful.

All in all a super nice guy!

[Reznor]

he was awesome-super friendly!

The band was playing at the same event and when everything was all packing down he was still hanging around so i just went up and started chatting to him,he also said Batman Begins was by far the best comic book movie and I gave him our CD cuz he said he liked our set-he seemed really grateful.

All in all a super nice guy!

Thats awesome to hear! Kudos to you for getting to meet such a cool guy!!! I wish there was more stories like that with the whole hollywood 'scene', but yeah, all the interviews Ive seen, and documentaries Ive seen him in, he always came off as a cool guy. Im glad to see him getting more work as an actor now too! I didn't know he was in Prestige until I saw it, what a cool suprise that was. But yeah, I think he would be a bad ass redux of the Penguin.

[Mr. G]

I saw The Dark Knight last night and I loved it.

Heath Ledger kicked ass, he was the highlight of the movie,he nailed the character. everytime his scenes ended, I was looking foward to the next one

I like the fact that even tho its a superhero movie they made it feel realistic.

Wasnt digging the Batman voice either but overall it was a great movie.

Hope Heath Ledger gets rewarded for his great work

[Snake Eyes-Joe Ninja]

I liked the Batman voice except for when he has that final confrontation with the Joker...


Dunno, there's a certain line he says in such a way that I find EXTREMELY contradictory.

[Amberbratt]

batman sounded like he has a serious hemmroid problem

[Snake Eyes-Joe Ninja]

Lol, ab...

[Monkeywrench]

Great overall movie. Joker was perfect! 2face was great. Bruce wayne was great. batman was good, the voice is painful. For the 3rd one, I'm expecting the riddler, 2face and some talk about the joker with maybe a quick cameo of him but no real scenes. With this current storyline I could see Bane coming into play in the 3rd or 4th movie.

[Zefram]

I think it's safe to say that DC has picked up the gauntlet Marvel threw down. NOBODY is topping Heath Ledger as Joker. Jack was closer in appearance and origin, but Ledger took the sick, twistedly funny aspects to a crazy new level.

Crazily enough, the only thing that looks like it will top this is Watchmen, another DC property.

Sadly enough? Although Marvel may never top Heath Ledger as a villain, niether will DC. In only two movies we've gotten Ras Al Ghul, Scarecrow, Joker, and Two Face. That is literally his four best villains right there. Ridler is a sad joke in the comics. Even when he pulls off something amazing (see: Hush), he doesn't really get any respect. He's the Aquaman of villains! Mr Freeze played by Patrick Stewart would have possibility, but it might not be the feel they're obviously going for with these new ones. Same with Penguin and Poison Ivy. Killer Croc is just a big monster. Okay as a quick secondary character, same with Mad Hatter.

Whoever in charge there who doesn't want Catwoman in there REALLY needs to read the Hush arc. She was by far the best part of the story. She wouldn't be the main villain, but she'd likely work with whoever was until she was betrayed.

I think the only villain who'd be able to deliver as a main baddy would either be Talia, opening the door for Ras to come back (Lazerus Pit!), or Bane. Batman's got an endless supply of decent, complex villains, but only a few that could follow up the Joker.

[delta]

*I started my own thread about this, but it got shut down. I'll repost it here if thats o.k.*

O.k. So I saw the Dark Knight last weekend. It F'ing Ruled. I'm not even a quarter as big a Batman fan as GI.Joe or Transfomers. Still I recognize that the new Batman movie was great.

The New Batman movies are well made, well acted, well directed and definitely not just for kids. However you can't deny that some of Batman's encarnations have been..well..rather silly.

Like this. "Holy Sardine!!"
YouTube - YouTube - Exploding Shark (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0UJaprpxrk)

Or this craptacular Batman from a more recent 1997 exploit
YouTube - YouTube - BATMAN AND ROBIN WORST MOVIE EVER (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJWpmPGCR1c)

GI.Joe has had it's fair share of silliness, Eco Worriors, Battle force 2000, Cobra-la, but I don't think it's ever gone past the redemption point though.

So what I am wondering is why not show the same respect to the new GI.Joe movie (or Transformers movie for that matter) as they have shown to Batman in his new movies?

This is a quote from a Tanker about the new Joe Movie
"..this movie WILL rule...if you are expecting saving private ryan-then you really dont know what gi joe is all about!"

I'm personally not expecting the GI.Joe movie to be like 'Saving Private Ryan' or 'Apocalypse Now' or 'Full metal Jacket'.
But please spare us Powersuits, comic relief characters, and Laser guns.
Were adults now dammit!!

[DarthBrett]

********SPOILERS*********** Don't read if you haven't seen it!!!!!








Dark Knight was a very good movie indeed, but I have to say it has been way, way over-hyped by most. Some gripes I had - It was too long; had way too many scenes with too much chaos and characters which made it feel sloppy in its storytelling; Two Face was kind of wasted; Bale is wooden and boring as Bruce Wayne; Maggie G as Rachel was plain and you didn't care when she dies one bit; some plots are never explained and serve no purpose it seems (although the third movie could give them reason for being I suppose); and Batman's voice was overdone to the point of just being annoying.


The good. Heath Ledger was absolutely brilliant as the Joker (he makes the movie worth the price of admission); Two-Face/Harvey Dent was also done well (as I said, a bit wasted in my opinion); the action scenes were for the most part really exciting and done well; Bale in the Batman suit kicked major ass; the music and cinematography were both nicely done.

I give the movie a solid 8 on IMDB. A tie with Iron Man as the summer's best movie (Wall-E is my personal fave of the summer, though).