Dark Knight

[sharke]

Just saw it a few hours ago. It is amazing! One of the few movies I've seen that actually lives up to the hype. I know all the buzz is about Ledger (well deserved though) as the joker but Eckhart's Two Face is just as good. Do yourself a huge favor and go see it.

[TheLongestDay]

aahhhhhh! I cant wait!!! Is it really on par with "Empire strikes back"? No spoilers please! ;)

[sharke]

^ didn't think of it like that but in tone and quality yes! that would be a good comparisson. don't worry about spoilers though, way to much typing.

[TheLongestDay]

lol cheerz! Ive been following this movie's progress since Batman begins came out and i cant believe its finally here!

[Amberbratt]

Joker to Batman


"I AM YOUR FATHER"

Batman replies: "SO AM I"

Technically he is right... because.. Joker created batman when he killed his parents... and then Batman created Joker when he hit him with the acid.....

so therefore...

they created each other :)

the yin to the yang.....

one can't exist with out the other :P

[TheLongestDay]

Noooooooooooooo! Thats not true! thats impossible!! NooooOOOOOOOO!

[sharke]

Joker to Batman


"I AM YOUR FATHER"

Batman replies: "SO AM I"

Technically he is right... because.. Joker created batman when he killed his parents... and then Batman created Joker when he hit him with the acid.....

so therefore...

they created each other :)

the yin to the yang.....

one can't exist with out the other :P

totally makes sense if you're tim burton

[TheLongestDay]

totally makes sense if you're tim burton

hahaha and cats chewing your fingers gives you 9 lives and super agility.....


JOE CHILL FTW!!!

[sharke]

hahaha and cats chewing your fingers gives you 9 lives and super agility.....


JOE CHILL FTW!!!

shit, it doesn't?

[devilsknight]

This movie has left me speechless. I saw it last night in IMAX.

Do yourself a service and go see this movie.

Most of the audiance sat in the theater stunned during the credits...this movie was literally the best thing i've ever seen. Better than Godfather 2, which to me is the #1 movie of all time.

Heath Ledger's joker was...well...what a character to leave behind as your legacy.

Two face ?! Totally awesome.

Whoever wrote the script, just wow.

Go see this movie.

[TheLongestDay]

shit, it doesn't?

yeh you dont know how many times i rubbed tuna fish on my fingers and laid down in an alley waiting for that to happen!!!

[sharke]

This movie has left me speechless. I saw it last night in IMAX.

yeah thats my next step. first thing my wife and I talked about when we left the theatre

yeh you dont know how many times i rubbed tuna fish on my fingers and laid down in an alley waiting for that to happen!!!

wtf?

[TheLongestDay]

.........i need to see this movie............

[sharke]

yes you do

[Monkeywrench]

I can't wait. I'm going to see it tomorrow night

[fireflyguy]

I have seriously contemplated going to see this movie at midnight Thursday even though I will have to be at work Friday morning about 4 hours after the movie is over. But, hey, that's what energy drinks are for, right?

[coreyrc]

I have seriously contemplated going to see this movie at midnight Thursday even though I will have to be at work Friday morning about 4 hours after the movie is over. But, hey, that's what energy drinks are for, right?

I've been thinking the same thing... lol

[sharke]

I have seriously contemplated going to see this movie at midnight Thursday even though I will have to be at work Friday morning about 4 hours after the movie is over. But, hey, that's what energy drinks are for, right?

as someone who did that, its totally worth it!

[Syn3sthesia]

This is a must see for me!

[FadetoBlack2880]

I'm going late friday night. I gotta be up by 6 saturday morning, but I'm positive it'll be worth losing some sleep over.

[Dreadwind]

I have seriously contemplated going to see this movie at midnight Thursday

Man, I'll NEVER do that again! I did that with the premier of Transformers last year. The place was packed & I had a huge friggin noggin right in front of me blocking out the whole bottom of the screen. I was sitting at the end so everytime the Decepticons talked & had to stick my head way out in the aisle to read the subtitles. What a pain in the ass! I'll just wait til the 1st showing on Friday when it won't be crowded.

Sold out theaters ruin movies!!!!

[Snake Eyes-Joe Ninja]

To those who have seen it, a question for you----

I've seen the "test" version given to survey audiences. Is the "pencil trick" still in the movie?

[spacemonkeymafia]

Joker to Batman


"I AM YOUR FATHER"

Batman replies: "SO AM I"

Technically he is right... because.. Joker created batman when he killed his parents... and then Batman created Joker when he hit him with the acid.....

so therefore...

they created each other :)

the yin to the yang.....

one can't exist with out the other :P

The Joker didnt kill his parents Joe Chill Did........

[GI abe444]

Cant wait to see it Myself!!

[Porkchop Sandwiches]

Excellent news as I'm very geeked up to see it!

[sharke]

To those who have seen it, a question for you----

I've seen the "test" version given to survey audiences. Is the "pencil trick" still in the movie?

yes and still awesome

[Echo7Solo]

Joker to Batman


"I AM YOUR FATHER"

Batman replies: "SO AM I"

Technically he is right... because.. Joker created batman when he killed his parents... and then Batman created Joker when he hit him with the acid.....

so therefore...

they created each other :)

the yin to the yang.....

one can't exist with out the other :P

totally makes sense if you're tim burton

:D that's what I was thinking sharke

[sharke]

and thats why Nolan and Goyer make Batman films now!

[onefastbird95]

I just purchased my tickets for a Friday night showing! I wasn't going to chance it selling out so I snagged the tickets early. I have been sooo excited for this... I was almost worried I built the movie up to much in my own mind, but from what you guys are saying it will probably be as good as I am hoping.

[SPECTER]

WOW loved every second of this movie, im going again tonight, WOW just WOW!!!

[Eopie Herder]

Yeah, it was something else. Parental warning though, DO NOT TAKE YOUNG CHILDREN TO SEE THIS MOVIE!!!!! It really will scare the hell out of them.

[coreyrc]

Just woke up from going to the midnight showing... All I can say is HOLY CRAP! I think I'm gonna go see it again Sunday!

[HOOSFN]

questions is there anything at the end of the credits? I am going in to 2 hours from right now

[Echo7Solo]

no don't sit through the credits. nothing there. I'm about to go back.
My thoughts about it
everybody bashing the new suit......... wrong
everybody bashing the bat pod.......... wrong, see it in action
everybody bashing Maggie as the new Rach....... wrong, much better

and last everybody bashing Heath........... Jack's joker doesn't even look like a clown he looks more like a mime next to Heath

[RolandofGilead]

Yeah, it was something else. Parental warning though, DO NOT TAKE YOUNG CHILDREN TO SEE THIS MOVIE!!!!! It really will scare the hell out of them.

My five-year-old just spotted a picture of Heath Ledger's Joker while I was reading reviews on-line and she thought it was too scary. I really hope I can talk my wife into seeing this one.

[Nemesis*Prime]

Saw it this morning definitely awesome.

Although the ending felt a little flat to me.

[Hit & Run]

This movie was phenomenal. It actually surpassed my rediculously high expectations for it.

Heath Ledger and Aaron Eckhart are beyond perfect as the Joker and Harvey Dent. From the first lines they deliver they hook you in. And there definitely need to be some best supporting actor nods here. Michael Caine, Gary Oldman, and especially Morgan Freeman are lights out.

And did anyone elses' theater have Joker henchman give out stuff at their theater? Someone at the 12:01 show I was at won what I am assuming was a lithograph or a poster.

[Sysiss]

Just saw it last night. I'm sure I'll get tomatoes thrown at me, and don't get me wrong, i liked it, but i don't know if I'd actually call it "Great."

Might of had something to do with the amount of hype/expectation that i had personally built up for over a year now, but when that happens the result is inevitable.

I thought it was good tho. A bit too long, although it was 3 AM. when it ended and it seemed at points as if everyone was just running around chasing each other..../repeat.../repeat......

Christian Bale's Batman vocals seemed a bit over the top.
I thought it was funny when Bruce as Batman was talking ALONE with Morgan Freeman, but yet still disguised his voice. *I'm saying to myself...he knows it's you Bruce!! No need to do that.* :)

BEST part about the movie tho was the Joker IMO. Practically flawless performance. From the quirkiness, the mannerisms, the multi- personalities, the darkness, the humor and so on, it seriously couldn't of been better. I can't get over how well Heath pulled it off. IRREPLACEABLE performance. Such a scroungy, diabolical and evil character, just like the Joker should be.

I thought that the way that they ended with the Joker tho was a bit odd. It seemed as if Warner Bros. wasn't sure how to handle it.

Maybe thats just me, but I got the impression that.........***SPOILER***





They didn't want to kill him since that could be somewhat touchy, but yet the last you see of him he's just hanging around....literally. Does he get taken into custody?!?! Does he somehow get away?!? I guess it's left open.

I thought that if they did kill him off, they could always bring back the character as a "Copycat" Joker which would fit into the scenario and be realistic.

Anyone know if that's how the movie was originally going to end with the Joker and they just stuck with it? Or altered it because Heath died?

I had heard a ways back that he was supposedly taken into custody, went to trial, but then let off on some sort of technicality. I suppose that was just a rumor.


Also.....Yes, the pencil trick was in the movie....GREAT scene!!

[HOOSFN]

I just got back and I thought it was great awesome what every else you what to say. I will be seeing it again. I took my 10 year old and he loved it also. But it is not for the little kids at all. My 5 year old was very upset but I guess mommy will take him to a kid movie to make up for it. I think it is a must see.

[Shin Densetsu]

This movie was awesome. At this point, its hard to say if its as good as Begins, but its definitely on par. Everything that might seem too off the top in a comic derived medium was explained with logic in this one. You won't really be scratching your head with this movie, the technological innovations are explained with logic.

Ledger was great as Joker. Inevitably people will compare him to Jack Nicholson, Ledger was definitely a more believable and more psychotic Joker. Though not based on "The Killing Joke", the Joker's mentality is definitely similar. Ledger did not dissapoint at all. At the end of the day the big question is, was Jack Nicholson's Joker more comedic due to the script, or the actor? I think it was the script, as both Nicholson and Ledger are credible, great actors, and the their portrayals of the Joker both are in tune with the different directions of the Nolan films, and the Burton ones. Great for their respective roles, but I definitely think Ledger's Joker is the best one. Unpredictable, and able to go from joking, to unpredictably serious, to back again. His mannerisms were impressive, and while Burton's film portrayed a more comedic Joker, Ledger's Joker is definitely delusional and crazy.

The new batsuit is actually more noticeable on the toys rather than the movie itself. Its hard to tell what suit he is using, as he does switch slightly after the beginning, but while in movement you can't really tell which suit you are looking at. For safe measure and those of you confused like me, he uses the new suit after the first battle. The suit serves a purpose rather than a new look, its made to be more slimmer and lighter, as to not drag Bruce down since the Begins suit weighs more. The drawback is that the suit is more prone to bladed weapons.

The batpod was awesome, great in execution. Too bad the toy does not accurately depict the launching gimmick.

The new actress that played Rachel Dawes did a far better role than Katie Holmes. Much more believable.

We begin to see hints of Bruce's paranoia emerge, this probably drew from the comics as he has gotten paranoid before(OMACs anyone?).

The ending left everything open and fortunately, with no cliffhangers. Cliffhangers are good at times, but sometimes make you feel like you are not watching a complete movie. If there is a 3rd one, I wonder who he would fight?

The main thing I did not like was Bruce's exaggerated voice as Batman. There is a distinct difference, and it seems forced.

That was about it. Oh and the fight scenes are much easier to decpher than in Begins, this time around its a lot easier to tell what is going on. Kudos for that.

Now I hope Mattel makes a Batpod for their movie masters line.

Oh advice too, don't drink til near the end. The film is over 2 hours long and the pacing is quite good so it doesn't drag. However if you go on bathroom break you might miss important parts, and there are good twists that can be missed if you leave just for a few minutes.

Best Batman film ever? Quite possibly.

[Shogi]

I just got back from seeing it today. I had some expectations for this movie and they were fulfilled completely. All this year, I've said Iron-Man was the best movie I had seen....Dark Knight just surpassed it. It was like watching an action movie that got intertwined with the first Saw movie. Definately had some horror movie moments. The twists were mostly unexpected, but even when I had figured out what was gonna happen next, I still wasn't disappointed to be proven correct. I wish I had my camera phone out when Joker came out of the hospital as I'd love to have a picture of that scene :D

BTW, My girlfriend now feels vindicated hearing what people are saying about Bale's "Batman Voice". She's had issues with it since the first movie. :) It seemed to get progressively worse thoughout the movie. He starts to sound like a death metal singer.

[Monkeywrench]

Movie is pure awesome! Joker is perfect. Bales Batman voice is god awful. It really needs to change.

[ceraurus]

I saw this movie this afternoon, and it was great. The above posts sum it up pretty nicely, but I'd like to second a few things.

Ledger and Eckhardt are perfect for their roles. I wasn't too excited about the Bat Pod before the movie, but it ends up working out fery well and I think it was actually quite a nice touch. And yes, the Bat Voice is overboard this time, but it's a small flaw in a phenomenal movie.

[Ixz72]

Two-Face and Joker made this movie. I congratulate the casting director for the amazing choice of actors. For Heath Ledger and Aaron Eckhart to outshine such heavy weight actors like Gary Oldman, Micheal Caine and Morgan Freeman says a lot. Great movie and I highly recommend it!!!

[Echo7Solo]

Movie is pure awesome! Joker is perfect. Bales Batman voice is god awful. It really needs to change.


I guess I'm alone with this but I like the voice. I mean what do you want? Adam West?

[Firewall]

I think this movie was awesome! I just wish that Heath wasn't dead because knowing that we'll never get to see him again leaves me feeling sad inside because he delivered an truly outstanding performance.

[Echo7Solo]

I think this movie was awesome! I just wish that Heath wasn't dead because knowing that we'll never get to see him again leaves me feeling sad inside because he delivered an truly outstanding performance.

Prison changes a man. That is a stepping off point. As for a possible replacement if anybody has seen 3:10 to Yuma Ben Foster could take up the spot and do very well.

[LaDracul]

I loved the movie, but I guess I was sad when it was over. Well, possibly because of what happened to Rachel...and seeing a case of what happens when true love can't survive. So sad, so very, very sad. :(

I wonder when we'll see the next film.

And yes, the big cosplayer I am, I crossplayed as the Joker at Wizard World a few weekends ago.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v132/AnnaValerious/WizardWorld08/DSCN2878.jpg
"You complete me!"

Next up...Nurse Joker!

[Barefoot Jedi]

I was very impressed and I'm not a Batman/DC fan. I thought the film had a lot of depth and emotion as well as being very intense. I'd even call it more of a thriller than an action movie. Someone brought a child to the theater when I saw it and after the Joker's first scene the kid was weeping very loudly though he either calmed down later or the parent took him out. I think I'm gonna stick a pencil in the table at staff meeting on Monday and ask if anyone wants to see it disappear.

I've said before that Heath Ledger was a character actor in a leading man's body. He also had an ability that few well-known actors have: To completely disappear into a role and cause you to experience the character and not the-actor-playing-the-character. Meryl Streep is probably the best example of this ability that I can think of. I don't think this series of Batman franchise films should attempt to recast the Joker.

I was also impressed by Maggie Gyllenhaal. She showed a good blend of strength and vulnerability that makes a great female character. I was affected by the scene with her and Aaron Eckhardt when they're held hostage. Very well-executed.

Indeed, the tamest performance is delivered by Christian Bale, which is not to say I thought he did not do a good job. He just gets outdone by all his co-stars. But considering that cast, it must be really hard to keep up. Michael Caine? Morgan Freeman? Gary Oldman? Aaron Eckhardt? Heath Ledger!?

I think this film will be a record-breaker. I can see the hype plus the positive word-of-mouth it's sure to get elevating it to new heights. It would not surprise me much if this film challenges "Titanic"'s record for most money.

[tile_mcgillus]

To me. As a life long comic book...perfection! I could spend 5000 words describing this thing but they will fail. Just see it...then see it again.

[Echo7Solo]

I've seen it twice and it just gets better each time

[Firefly2121]

Great movie...10 out of 10...Its better than what ever you excepted..I hope to see it again tomorrow or Sunday...

[Shogi]

I guess I'm alone with this but I like the voice. I mean what do you want? Adam West?

I think it would have been fine if it was a deeper Bale voice, slight grittiness to it, but not as much as we got. There were a few times I thought I had gotten some of Crane's fear gas and was hearing demon bat talk :)

Anyway, this movie left me with a feeling I haven't had in a while. That feeling of "I must see this movie again!"

[Shin Densetsu]

I guess I'm alone with this but I like the voice. I mean what do you want? Adam West?
Honestly, I know Keaton made different voices for Bruce and Bats, but if Bale maintained the same voice that he used for Bruce, I would have preferred it. It was funny at the same time, because Bale's exaggerated Batman voice reminds me of the way Frank Miller writes Batman in All Star Batman and Robin.

I LOVED the twists this movie had. It provided for an elaborate plot. I hope there is a 3rd movie, because it would be awesome to see Batman take on Al Ghul and his league once again. Even Mr. Freeze, which could make up for the lackluster Batman Forever.

I like what Batman did with his arm blades..that was bad ass!

[vadersquest]

I saw this one today and I left speechless. This was one bad ass movie! Ledger, in my opinion, is the definite Joker! The movie as a whole captured my attention and did not release until well after the credits. My only grip would have to be batman's voice and that is all. The best movie of the year, hands down! I plan to see it again Saturday.

[GI FLINT]

fantastic movie.

does the bat justice.

[NeoDragonKnight]

just saw it today, was incredible!

[Amberbratt]

Nicholson Joker = Cartoon
Ledger Joker = Comic Book :D

I wanted to see it but the theateres are PACKED here in the bay WALL TO ALL PEOPLE (not to mention sold out)

I am going IMAX Stats and Its sold out till monday :)

[Shin Densetsu]

Damn I guess I was lucky then. The theater I went to is usually packed but I saw it this morning and it was 1/2-3/4 full in the one I watched it in.

I WANT TO SEE THIS ON IMAX. NOW.

One thing I may have forgotten to mention was the SCORE! Freaking excellent, built up the tension well and I hope Warner Bros. releases it on CD. Quite possibly best score of the year.

[jaimanstone]

Nicholson Joker = Cartoon
Ledger Joker = Comic Book :D

I wanted to see it but the theateres are PACKED here in the bay WALL TO ALL PEOPLE (not to mention sold out)

I am going IMAX Stats and Its sold out till monday :)

Ledger Joker = Nothing we have ever seen before. Brilliant.

[Drill]

What I just realized is that much of the movie is a really clever re-working of The Killing Joke, one in which The Joker wins. I mean, think about it. Instead of Gordon as his target, Harvey is. The Joker goes to great lengths and great pains to destroy Harvey's life, all to prove that if you introduce enough chaos and tragedy into someone's life, they'll crack. Rachel is killed, he's set on fire, his plan to capture The Joker and exonerate Batman in the public's eyes backfires...he has that One Bad Day. And his response? He absolutely lost it.

[onefastbird95]

Plot- excellent
Acting- excellent
fight/chase scenes- excellent
length- kinda long, but needed for plot twists
Darkness- def geared for the comic lovers and older fans, although kids would deffinately appreciate it too... just not cartoon lame like toby in spider man... gah I can't even think about spider man after seeing this amazin movie!

[sharke]

I hope there is a 3rd movie, because it would be awesome to see Batman take on Al Ghul and his league once again. Even Mr. Freeze, which could make up for the lackluster Batman Forever.

I was actually thinking about which villians would work in the Goyer/Nolan Batman and honestly I don't see Mr. Freeze or Killer Croc working. I could be wrong though. Ones I could see working real well would be Hush, Catwoman, Bane, and Riddler.

[Hit & Run]

I guess I'm alone with this but I like the voice. I mean what do you want? Adam West?

My friends complained about the voice after we saw it too, but I'm with you. For as much as he talks to Gordon and Harvey as both characters it would have to be a different voice. What's the point of wearing the costume if you are going to talk in your normal voice?

__________________________

Homer: Adam West! Look, kids! Batman!
Lisa: Dad, that's not Batman!
Adam West: Of course I'm Batman. See? *Pulls out a photo* Here's a picture of me with Robin.
Bart: Who the hell's Robin?
Adam West: Oh, I guess you're only familiar with the new Batman movies. Michelle Pfeiffer...ha...the only true Catwoman is Julie Newmar, Lee Merriwether or Eartha Kitt. And I didn't need a molded plastic suit to improve my physique *Taps chest* Pure West. and how come Batman doesn't dance anymore, remember the Bat-tussi? (he starts dancing the Bat-tussi)

[Echo7Solo]

I think it would have been fine if it was a deeper Bale voice, slight grittiness to it, but not as much as we got. There were a few times I thought I had gotten some of Crane's fear gas and was hearing demon bat talk :)

see that's kind of my point. I think Batman should scare the crap out of you. Even the people who know him best should fear him in the suit. Look at it like this, does anybody remember Batman MOTP? When he put on the mast for the first time, Alfred handed it to him and he was still shocked and scared. I think the voice adds to it.
My friends complained about the voice after we saw it too, but I'm with you. For as much as he talks to Gordon and Harvey as both characters it would have to be a different voice. What's the point of wearing the costume if you are going to talk in your normal voice?
kind of what I was thinking too.

[glassmoon]

was there anything during or after the credits of dark knight, as i left durng the movie credits.

[STORM SHADOW]

Saw it last night...amazing movie.

was there anything during or after the credits of dark knight, as i left durng the movie credits.

actually yes. you should have stayed!! It was a preview for wave 11 and show each figure carded! Awesome!

[sharke]

^ then a few ushers come out and then hand a case to each patron

[goblin]

yeah,awesome flick...going to see it again today.

[Eopie Herder]

I think I'm hitting again tomorrow.

[245am]

What I just realized is that much of the movie is a really clever re-working of The Killing Joke, one in which The Joker wins. I mean, think about it. Instead of Gordon as his target, Harvey is. The Joker goes to great lengths and great pains to destroy Harvey's life, all to prove that if you introduce enough chaos and tragedy into someone's life, they'll crack. Rachel is killed, he's set on fire, his plan to capture The Joker and exonerate Batman in the public's eyes backfires...he has that One Bad Day. And his response? He absolutely lost it.

Yeah I thought about that, too, that it was kinda like The Killing Joke, but with Dent. In any case, I think Nolan deserves some serious love from even casual Batman fans. He's really rescued the character from the gutter Shcumacher had thrown the franchise into.

What really impressed me with TDK and Begins is the same thing that impresses me w/ the Joe 25th line- they take something classic, keep it faithful to what originally drew fans to them, but update them not by overhauling their look or setting them in a modern time (TF and GIJoe movies, I'm looking at you), but by piling on the REALISM. That's what get's the adult fans, old comic/cartoon characters that appealed to them as kids made real in a way that appeals to them as adults... Ledger's makeup, Dent's face, the 25th Joe's holsters & articulation... you don't have to reinvent the wheel with these franchises, just give them better tires.

Oh, and since nobody has said it yet in this thread, how about that Watchmen trailer! That was pure win... The movie looks excellent, the "whispered no" voice over was just enough and even the Smashing Pumpkins was a perfect fit...
http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/watchmen/high.html

[STORM SHADOW]

^ then a few ushers come out and then hand a case to each patron

Exactly! I got wave 11 in hand "VHTF" at the movie last night!!

[systane]

I just saw this movie today and I love it!

[Monkeywrench]

I think it would have been fine if it was a deeper Bale voice, slight grittiness to it, but not as much as we got. There were a few times I thought I had gotten some of Crane's fear gas and was hearing demon bat talk :)

Anyway, this movie left me with a feeling I haven't had in a while. That feeling of "I must see this movie again!"

I agree completely

[gunslingercbr]

loved it. what impressed me the most is that it never attempts to be a super-hero or comic book movie. it is a gritty crime drama inhabited by comic characters. it is simply brilliant.

as far as the voice, I thought it was great. theatricality is a significant aspect of Batman, and contriving a menacing voice to present this character is a logical device that Bruce Wayne would use.

[jaxscorpio]

Yeah I thought about that, too, that it was kinda like The Killing Joke, but with Dent. In any case, I think Nolan deserves some serious love from even casual Batman fans. He's really rescued the character from the gutter Shcumacher had thrown the franchise into.

What really impressed me with TDK and Begins is the same thing that impresses me w/ the Joe 25th line- they take something classic, keep it faithful to what originally drew fans to them, but update them not by overhauling their look or setting them in a modern time (TF and GIJoe movies, I'm looking at you), but by piling on the REALISM. That's what get's the adult fans, old comic/cartoon characters that appealed to them as kids made real in a way that appeals to them as adults... Ledger's makeup, Dent's face, the 25th Joe's holsters & articulation... you don't have to reinvent the wheel with these franchises, just give them better tires.



You hit the nail on the head. I lost interest in Batman back in the early 90s and never even bothered to watch Batman Begins. With all the hype about this movie though I decided to go see it Thursday night. All I can say is day-um. There was so much realism packed into this movie that I actually forgot I was watching a movie about comic book characters. Not only is Ledger's Joker such a believable sociopath but the director showed us that Batman really is just an ordinary man who's state of the art costume doesn't always protect him from harm. That's something you seldom, if ever, saw in previous Batman movies.

[Dreadwind]

what impressed me the most is that it never attempts to be a super-hero or comic book movie. it is a gritty crime drama inhabited by comic characters.



That's exactly what I didn't like about it. What if you love comic book super hero movies but HATE gritty crime dramas? Then you're pretty much screwed like I was!

[Lifeline 71]

Batman has been my favorite "superhero" for over 30 years (I don't count the Joes in this category). I saw the movie last night with my son and we were completely blown away. If Begins was good, TDK was even better. This is what superhero movies should be like. I was pleased by how Two Face was introduced slowly through the entire movie. It was so much better than how they tried to do Sandman and Venom in Spidey 3.

[wish12oz]

imo ledger didnt actually do a good portrayel of the joker. he came off as a psychopath, not a psycopath having fun. which is how i view the joker. he didnt laugh like he meant it and he tried to talk in a low raspy voice that just doesnt work for the joker. (bail suffers from tthe same thing when in the batman suit too, he just sounds like hes trying to hard to be like a hardcore singer)

[Dreadwind]

If Begins was good, TDK was even better.

I enjoyed Batman Begins a lot more. The Dark Knight just didn't hold my interest about halfway through. I wanted to pause it & go do something else. I didn't care about any of the characters & I was happy they killed off that annoying bitch Rachel. I enjoyed Begins from begining to end & saw it 3 or 4 times in the theater. I won't be going back to The Dark Knight for a second round. I'm going to wait for the dvd & just skip to the parts I liked. I really wasn't in the mood for a long drawn out gritty crime drama. I wanted a fun summer comic book super hero movie. But that's not at all what I got.

[Shin Densetsu]

That's exactly what I didn't like about it. What if you love comic book super hero movies but HATE gritty crime dramas? Then you're pretty much screwed like I was!
Batman is centered around crime drama. He wages a war on crime, but he is different than Punisher and Daredevil. A crime drama was to be expected.
I lost interest in Batman back in the early 90s and never even bothered to watch Batman Begins.
Batman Begins is AWESOME, in fact the debate is which movie is better, the new one or begins? Both freaking good, now if Nolan makes a 3rd...
imo ledger didnt actually do a good portrayel of the joker. he came off as a psychopath, not a psycopath having fun.
He may have come off too goofy and not serious at all if that were the case. In this movie he is portrayed as psychotic, with a sense of humor, and dead serious with execution of his plans. This is a man that does not come off as a joke, but as a dangerous threat.

[Jeffrozup]

Those complaining about the Joker's personality, I don't see where you are coming from because the character is someone who is involved in crime. The previous versions of the Joker were suited for their time frames but did nothing to let me believe they were evil (which is what most criminals are) and Ledger did a FANTASTIC job with his character IMO.

I will agree with Bale's performance but with the cast he had, Batman didn't need to be the star of the movie. It was an incredible movie and one of the best I have ever seen.

And it was not the Joker who killed Bruce Wayne's parents LOL at least in any version of Batman I have seen or read about.

[CrimsonGuardVet76]

Best superhero movie. Ever.

I will be watching this movie over and over again. This is my new Godfather, I can watch this from any point over and over again.

[sgt.bludhound]

just saw it today. WOW what a awesome movie! Ledger's (RIP) Role Imo was good not Great. I think his untimely death has everyone focusing on his performance in the film, I'm not downing him to me its just not Oscar worthy. I liked two-faces Build up and Role in the film, all in all this is a GREAT SUMMER FLICK! if you love batman CHECK this movie out! you won't be disappointed!

[Bionic Commando]

I wonder if Mattel would make a Movie Masters Two-Face figure?.Great movie first 1/3 of the movie was just a little stretched out too much but could deal with it after all with higher ticket prices I actually expect longer epics.I was just excited about seeing the Terminator Salvation trailer with Christian Bale.This guy just revived two of my favorite movie franchises

[BronxBomber]

Joker to Batman


"I AM YOUR FATHER"

Batman replies: "SO AM I"

Technically he is right... because.. Joker created batman when he killed his parents... and then Batman created Joker when he hit him with the acid.....

so therefore...

they created each other :)

the yin to the yang.....

one can't exist with out the other :P

Uhm, but Joker did not kill his parents, Joe Chill did. Maybe you saw a different Dark Knight than me!

[BronxBomber]

[QUOTE=gunslingercbr;209944]loved it. what impressed me the most is that it never attempts to be a super-hero or comic book movie. it is a gritty crime drama inhabited by comic characters. it is simply brilliant.

QUOTE]

The bat-mobile, the Bat Pod, Batman, Joker, Two-face, The bat signal, The secret Identity..The Fracking over the top Villians?

I’m confused, what part to you was not a comic book or super hero film?

Anyway I loved it. It was brilliant.

[Shogi]

Uhm, but Joker did not kill his parents, Joe Chill did. Maybe you saw a different Dark Knight than me!

You guys really need to watch the 90's Tim Burton Batman again. In that one, the Joker killed the Waynes long before he bacame the Joker


"Ever dance in the pale moonlight?"

[BronxBomber]

You guys really need to watch the 90's Tim Burton Batman again. In that one, the Joker killed the Waynes long before he bacame the Joker


"Ever dance in the pale moonlight?"

Oh I saw it but this "thread" is about the Dark Kinght. Not the same series..... Not the same Universe.

[gunslingercbr]

loved it. what impressed me the most is that it never attempts to be a super-hero or comic book movie. it is a gritty crime drama inhabited by comic characters. it is simply brilliant.

QUOTE]

The bat-mobile, the Bat Pod, Batman, Joker, Two-face, The bat signal, The secret Identity..The Fracking over the top Villians?

I’m confused, what part to you was not a comic book or super hero film?

Anyway I loved it. It was brilliant.

there was nothing over the top about the villains. they were handled extremely sensibly and dramatically -- the very opposite of over the top. the concepts of the characters and vehicles are not over the top absolutely regardless of how they are handled, which you seem to want to assert, it is in how they are handled and presented, and they were not done so over-the-top.

[BronxBomber]

[QUOTE=BronxBomber;210221]

there was nothing over the top about the villains. they were handled extremely sensibly and dramatically -- the very opposite of over the top. the concepts of the characters and vehicles are not over the top absolutely regardless of how they are handles, which you seem to want to assert, it is in how they are handled and presented, and they were not done so over-the-top.

You mean to tell me that the scene with the Joker leaving the hospital was not over the top? Come on............. Why are you lying to yourself. Don't get me wrong, I think it was great. And two-face....... a man who had fifty percent of his face burned off only leaving an eyeball and tendons on one side of his face and decides the fate of the man who took the love of his life away on a scarred coin is not over the top? Or the bat mobile that can convert into a motorcycle? Now the world they live in was not over the top, not like it the prior Batman franchise.

[sgt.bludhound]

[QUOTE=gunslingercbr;210245]

You mean to tell me that the scene with the Joker leaving the hospital was not over the top? Come on............. Why are you lying to yourself. Don't get me wrong, I think it was great. And two-face....... a man who had fifty percent of his face burned off only leaving an eyeball and tendons on one side of his face and decides the fate of the man who took the love of his life away on a scarred coin is not over the top? Or the bat mobile that can convert into a motorcycle? Now the world they live in was not over the top, not like it the prior Batman franchise.

isn't jokers character suppose to be over the top? He's a clown (a psychotic one) and isn't that two-face's Mo? to decide the fate of people's life's he wants to take upon a coin. and isn't bruce wayne so rich that he could do or make whatever vehicles he pleases? nothing over the top about that...

[onefastbird95]

I wonder if the Nolan would even consider doing another film in fear that it would never top this film... I mean where could they go with the plot that could live up or close to this film. I would hate for it to end up like X3. Someone mentioned a set up for the riddler, but who knows. I just can't think of villians or a plot that could top this... but I would love to see a bat boat or bat aircraft of some sort!

[sharke]

I can see a 3rd one easy. Joker is still alive. Plus bring in Riddler or Bane or Catwoman (remember Dawes is dead).

[Batmandk02]

For those of you who may not know all of Batman's enemies... there is a villian named Hush who grew up with Bruce and is now out to destroy the Dark Knight even though he knows who Batman really is. But Whatever they do ... DO NOT RUIN THIS CURRENT MOVIE RUN BY BRINGING STUPID ROBIN INTO THE MIX!!! I know there has to be a Robin... BUT NOT RIGHT NOW!!! If they wanted another villian also... bring in Deadshot.. or maybe even the KG Beast!! There are other villians besides Freeze, Riddler, Penguin.. but it might be alright if Selina Kyle made an appearance... just keep the Catwoman on the low side for now.

[Shin Densetsu]

I wonder if Mattel would make a Movie Masters Two-Face figure?
Its been hinted at and already seen, but quickly hidden at one of the past conventions. I am eagerly hoping Mattel decides to add Al Ghoul, and his League Ninjas as well as Ninja Bruce in training to the line up.

Ever since Begins I have wanted a fully articulated, well sculpted line of figures. With Scarecrow and Batman accounted for, I want the damn League, I WANT MY NINJAS!!!!. God that ninjutsu training scene was awesome...rarely does Hollywood ever do ninjutsu right, Batman Begins was one of the rare exceptions where it was portrayed accurately.

The bat-mobile, the Bat Pod, Batman, Joker, Two-face, The bat signal, The secret Identity..The Fracking over the top Villians?

I’m confused, what part to you was not a comic book or super hero film?
This is how we look at it:

X men 3-over the top and very obvious comic book movie

Dark Knight-comic based, serious movie that is damn well good enough as a movie to stand on its own irregardless if it was based on a comic or not

[sharke]

For those of you who may not know all of Batman's enemies... there is a villian named Hush who grew up with Bruce and is now out to destroy the Dark Knight even though he knows who Batman really is.

Hush would be a good choice but i don't know if he'd be big enough for films Not to say that he doesn't deserve to be in but I'm sure hollywood will only go with big guns and house hold names. Though they did pull out Scarecrow and Ras so who knows. I just don't want them to feel they have to top this one and then over do it. A random thought I had was having Racheal Dawes return as Phantasm. I do think her departure makes room for Catwoman, which is a good thing.

[STORM SHADOW]

You mean to tell me that the scene with the Joker leaving the hospital was not over the top? Come on............. Why are you lying to yourself. Don't get me wrong, I think it was great. And two-face....... a man who had fifty percent of his face burned off only leaving an eyeball and tendons on one side of his face and decides the fate of the man who took the love of his life away on a scarred coin is not over the top? Or the bat mobile that can convert into a motorcycle? Now the world they live in was not over the top, not like it the prior Batman franchise.

someone needs to clue this guy in....asap. I can't believe I just read that.

[Batmandk02]

THIS JUST IN!!!!! I just caught a glimpse of this article and this is what Christian Bale had to say about the future of the Batman Movies:

"'Dark Knight' star Christian Bale says he'll chain himself up and refuse to work on the 'Batman' franchise if producers try to bring back Robin, Showbiz Spy asserts. Those of us who sat through 'Batman & Robin' thank you, Mr. Bale."

YEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!

[gunslingercbr]

[QUOTE=gunslingercbr;210245]

You mean to tell me that the scene with the Joker leaving the hospital was not over the top? Come on............. Why are you lying to yourself. Don't get me wrong, I think it was great. And two-face....... a man who had fifty percent of his face burned off only leaving an eyeball and tendons on one side of his face and decides the fate of the man who took the love of his life away on a scarred coin is not over the top? Or the bat mobile that can convert into a motorcycle? Now the world they live in was not over the top, not like it the prior Batman franchise.
unrealistic is not the same as over-the-top, hence why they are two completely different terms. you seem to want to say they are the same. no, they aren't, that's why they are different descriptors. you can be unrealistic (Two-Face) and not be over the top. or you can be unrealistic and be over the top (see Two-Face in Batman Forever). I'm not lying to myself simply because you can't understand the difference or are confusing the two.

and the Joker leaving the hospital wasn't over the top. it was comedic, but again, comedic does not equal over-the-top. the two can be completely independent of one another, but you again want to say they are the same thing. that's just utterly ridiculous.

[mizak23]

I saw it on friday, and I loved it, I thought it was one of the best movies I've even seen truthfully. I loved the Joker, especially when he was in the interrogation room, goading Batman to break his one rule. Alfred's past threw me off a bit, and now I'm intrigued to hear more. I really loved the mob stuff too, I'm glad that this isn't just about stopping the Joker, it's about dismantling the crime syndicates of Gotham. It had a good build up of tension and really made me anxious for the characters, like Rachel and Dent, and even more the people on the boats.

I loved Nicholson's Joker, and I think he nails the character, but Ledger reinvented the character into something real and grotesque. I did think Batman's voice sounded too ridiculous in some areas, like when he had to pause to finish a sentence.

Finally when he got his new suit ans asked if it could stand up to dogs, Lucius Fox said "it'll stand up to cats" So I think it was a subtle hint at the next foe for Batman.

[harkiri]

I have a feeling that we are being baited on the whole Robin thing. Did anyone else notice that in both movies we have not seen Gordons daughter. We saw her in this one, but never saw what she looks like, not even her face. I think they are setting up for Batgirl.

As for the rest of the movie. I think this is truly the best Batman movie yet. The performances all around were breathtaking. A good performance is one where you forget you are watching an actor and only see the character. And in this one, the only person I couldnt see the role more then the actor was morgan freeman, but thats not becuase his performance was bad. it was becuase it was Morgan Freeman

Crime drama... Batman has always been about the mob, corruption, and I usually hesitate to call Batman a superhero. he has no superpowers. He is an ordinary man with a large bank account. To see the batman story as more of a crime drama then "superhero comic" seems natural. Batman is after all noted for his detective skills as much as his gadgets, and to see batman as the detective in this movie was a nice touch.

Heath ledger... His performance was extraordinary. He WAS the joker I have always imagined. Sociopathic, dark, twisted, chaotic, just down right frightening.
If any of you have ever seen Batman Beyond Return of the Joker...I thought that was the best joker performance ever, until yesterday. This Joker was awe inspiring.

I went in to this movie having seen all the spoilers, trailers, leaking images, press scenes, basically everything I could get my hands one and I was still SHOCKED the whole way through the movie. Nolan has a gift for misdirection. I can usually go into a movie and KNOW what is going to happen. But I think I spent most of this movie with my mouth hanging open. This movie is going to be one of the highlights of my movie collection.

[sharke]

THIS JUST IN!!!!! I just caught a glimpse of this article and this is what Christian Bale had to say about the future of the Batman Movies:

"'Dark Knight' star Christian Bale says he'll chain himself up and refuse to work on the 'Batman' franchise if producers try to bring back Robin, Showbiz Spy asserts. Those of us who sat through 'Batman & Robin' thank you, Mr. Bale."

YEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!

I might be wrong but haven't Goyer and Nolan said before they had no intention of doing Robin or Batgirl?

[harkiri]

I might be wrong but haven't Goyer and Nolan said before they had no intention of doing Robin or Batgirl?

yeah, I think you are right. they did say no robin. I just think its funny how they are teasing fans with it in some scenes. If they really wanted to mess with the fans I could see them making Gordons son into robin, since they have made him such a fan of batmans

edit: let me make it clear...I DO NOT want them to do that, just something I could see as a possible setup. I do not think either robin or batgirl would fit into this mythology all that well.

[sharke]

I could see a grown Nightwing come in as one of the copycats but not Robin.

[Monkeywrench]

I just saw it again. Awesome movie.

[BronxBomber]

[QUOTE=BronxBomber;210255]
unrealistic is not the same as over-the-top, hence why they are two completely different terms. you seem to want to say they are the same. no, they aren't, that's why they are different descriptors. you can be unrealistic (Two-Face) and not be over the top. or you can be unrealistic and be over the top (see Two-Face in Batman Forever). I'm not lying to myself simply because you can't understand the difference or are confusing the two.

and the Joker leaving the hospital wasn't over the top. it was comedic, but again, comedic does not equal over-the-top. the two can be completely independent of one another, but you again want to say they are the same thing. that's just utterly ridiculous.

I agree being over the top and unrealistic are very different and the term over the top was being substituted for comic book movie in general, my fault. But, anyway you look at it The Joker was Over The Top.
Definition of Over The Top;
“To an excessive degree; beyond reasonable or acceptable limits.”
If that does not sum up the villains then I don’t know what to tell you. Regardless your observation that the movie never attempted to be a Super hero or comic book movie is just a fanboy justifying his inner nerd! It was a great movie but a Comic Book Movie all the way.

[BronxBomber]

This is how we look at it:

X men 3-over the top and very obvious comic book movie

Dark Knight-comic based, serious movie that is damn well good enough as a movie to stand on its own irregardless if it was based on a comic or not


Who is the "WE".............LOL. Are they not all Comic based, hence the Based on a comic?

[onefastbird95]

I would have to say this was least like a comic movie out of all the so called comic movies ever made. Most every "comic movie" has a sense of not so great acting, predictable plot, bad humor and dialogue, goofy outfits and props that don't stay very true to the original way they were portrayed in the comics.

After watching the Dark Knight it had a much different feeling to it opposed to watching ummm lets say Ghost Rider...

[hectorxd]

Saw it yesterday in the second row so I might see it again as I didnt get a good view of everything.
What impressed me the most is if I didnt know that it was heath ledger as the joker I wouldnt have been able to guess it was him. So many movies feel like you are watching the person just act out the scenes and that is probably due to the script most of the time, but this was just great.
On a side note: did it feel like we saw less of Batman in this movie and more story?

[harkiri]

On a side note: did it feel like we saw less of Batman in this movie and more story?

Yes it did feel that way, and more story is a good thing :)

Seriously, I think you are right, we did seem to see less batman in the movie, and while I am a huge batman fan, I didnt think ti was a bad thing, there was so much going on in the movie that I didnt notice it.

[hectorxd]

I didnt really notice till afterward. I guess its fine but I wouldnt have minded at least a few more minutes of the bat.
Mark me down as one who thought the batman voice got progressively worse during the movie. I didnt mind it at the start and than later when he was pursing his lips together just to do it, it felt awkward and silly.

[sgt.bludhound]

I didnt really notice till afterward. I guess its fine but I wouldnt have minded at least a few more minutes of the bat.
Mark me down as one who thought the batman voice got progressively worse during the movie. I didnt mind it at the start and than later when he was pursing his lips together just to do it, it felt awkward and silly.

I noticed the weirdness towards the end as well. batman had less screen time which was good, the movie was well balanced that way. alittle of bruce here, batman there, Lucious, Commish, Joker, two-face, etc. everyone had there moments

[sharke]

After watching the Dark Knight it had a much different feeling to it opposed to watching ummm lets say Ghost Rider...


all the crappy comic films out there and you picked Ghost Rider? should have gone with Nick Fury! LOL

[gunslingercbr]

[QUOTE=gunslingercbr;210523]
Regardless your observation that the movie never attempted to be a Super hero or comic book movie is just a fanboy justifying his inner nerd! It was a great movie but a Comic Book Movie all the way.
I'm hardly a fanboy. I've never read a single Batman comic in my life, and my only "fanboyish" interest would be my G.I. Joe figure collection (I don't read the comics either), but absent of any real interest in the comic or other mediums I can't be a fanboy because the actual story elements are a pretty significant aspect of what being a fanboy is (I'm just interested in the Joe figures), so again your rationalization is off base. but again you need it to defend your flawed position. nerd? yes fanboy? hardly. those two can also exist independently as well from one another. you really need to stop trying to group things together to simplify them. :D

as far as over-the-top. the Joker wasn't so -- he was psychotic. again, those two terms aren't interchangeable just because you find psychotic behavior to be beyond normal. just because they share similar elements do not make them the same, but you continue to try and do so.

[onefastbird95]

all the crappy comic films out there and you picked Ghost Rider? should have gone with Nick Fury! LOL
good point... or I could have mentioned how Ben Affleck ruined my favorite childhood comic book character also.

[BronxBomber]

[QUOTE=BronxBomber;210688]
I'm hardly a fanboy. I've never read a single Batman comic in my life, and my only "fanboyish" interest would be my G.I. Joe figure collection (I don't read the comics either), but absent of any real interest in the comic or other mediums I can't be a fanboy because the actual story elements are a pretty significant aspect of what being a fanboy is (I'm just interested in the Joe figures), so again your rationalization is off base. but again you need it to defend your flawed position. nerd? yes fanboy? hardly. those two can also exist independently as well from one another. you really need to stop trying to group things together to simplify them. :D

as far as over-the-top. the Joker wasn't so -- he was psychotic. again, those two terms aren't interchangeable just because you find psychotic behavior to be beyond normal. just because they share similar elements do not make them the same, but you continue to try and do so.

You are debating on a toy site named "Hisstank" on how "REAL" you thought "The Dark Knight" was..............LMAO.......Yes, you win. You are not a fanboy or a nerd. I wont ruin your fantasy life anymore.

My point is The Dark Knight is a great Comic Book movie geared towards adults and not children. Great Stuff.

[gunslingercbr]

[QUOTE=gunslingercbr;210809]

You are debating on a toy site named "Hisstank" on how "REAL" you thought "The Dark Knight" was..............LMAO.......Yes, you win. You are not a fanboy or a nerd. I wont ruin your fantasy life anymore.

My point is The Dark Knight is a great Comic Book movie geared towards adults and not children. Great Stuff.
I admitted nerd, but fanboy means something specific that doesn't apply to me. you continually try to make up new definitions to words that already have specific meanings just to defend your arguments -- that's living in a fantasy.

[BronxBomber]

Well Merriam Dictionary defines it simply as:
"A boy who is an enthusiastic devotee (as of comics or movies)”
So again you are debating about how real "The Dark Knight" was on a toy site for almost a 24 hour time span? What part does not scream Fan boy?
But, that’s cool. You are obviously good with words so you try and win an argument by picking the words apart..........LOL. The reason why you do that is because the point you were trying to make was silly. What was that point again? Oh, you thought the movie was not trying to be a super hero film or a comic book film!

[spacemonkeymafia]

How can you say Batman had less screen time....while he wasnt Batman he was Bruce Wayne......if you didnt know by now they are the same person......

[spacemonkeymafia]

I have a feeling that we are being baited on the whole Robin thing. Did anyone else notice that in both movies we have not seen Gordons daughter. We saw her in this one, but never saw what she looks like, not even her face. I think they are setting up for Batgirl.



Nolan has said No to Robin while he is directing......

No Robin for Nolan's Batman - MoviesOnline (http://www.moviesonline.ca/movienews_9745.html)

In short....."Christopher Nolan has made it clear that the new "Batman" film franchise will not bring Robin into the mythology as long as he is directing, apparently having stated that Robin is in a crib somewhere still and the timeline isn't appropriate for him to enter the picture. To some this may come as a relief. But, there are many Robin fans out there who believe Robin, particularly Dick Grayson, who grows up to become Nightwing, plays a pivotal role in the Dark Knight's tale. Though the Boy Wonder was introduced as a means to draw younger comic readers to "Batman" in the 1940s, Robin has become much more than a cheap gimmick or a mere sidekick as some continue to believe he is."

[harkiri]

How can you say Batman had less screen time....while he wasnt Batman he was Bruce Wayne......if you didnt know by now they are the same person......

please tell me that was sarcasm and you were trying to be funny with that.

you didnt really think you could look smart by pointing that out. of course we know they are the same person. the point we were trying to make was that the supporting characters ex. joker, harvey, gordon, almost seemed to have more screen time then batman/bruce.

I will will say that I personally was trying to make the point that batman/bruce was far overshadowed by the performances of the other actors, regardless of actual screentime.

I will assume since I have read your other posts and you dont seem the type to make comments to flame others that your comment was just meant to be funny and in need of a smiley or something and that you really werent trying to insult or belittle anyone. Right?


as for the robin/batgirl thing, I would be more then happy if they never showed up in the movies. when I said baiting I meant that he was kinda of rubbing it in to the fans who know who gordons duaghter is. and no, I dont actually expect batgirl, I am sorry it came out that way, I meant we were being set up to see things that way.

I think a good comparison would be having doc connors in the spiderman movies.....they didnt go that route, but they put the character in as a tease

[spacemonkeymafia]

please tell me that was sarcasm and you were trying to be funny with that.

you didnt really think you could look smart by pointing that out. of course we know they are the same person. the point we were trying to make was that the supporting characters ex. joker, harvey, gordon, almost seemed to have more screen time then batman/bruce.

I will will say that I personally was trying to make the point that batman/bruce was far overshadowed by the performances of the other actors, regardless of actual screentime.

I will assume since I have read your other posts and you dont seem the type to make comments to flame others that your comment was just meant to be funny and in need of a smiley or something and that you really werent trying to insult or belittle anyone. Right?


No dude Im 100% serious......dude its a joke calm down...but if you want to get technical its the truth..........besides who doesnt know who Batman is????

[harkiri]

nah, no hard feeling man, just wasnt sure how that was meant, or if my comments were misread, so I felt the need to explain them. again, I'm calm.

[Jeffrozup]

No dude Im 100% serious......dude its a joke calm down...but if you want to get technical its the truth..........besides who doesnt know who Batman is????

Most of Gotham City doesn't know who Batman is :D

[spacemonkeymafia]

You know what I loved most.......He didnt take his mask off or get half of it ripped off like in all 3 SpiderMan movies........Marvel this is how you do a movie....and you dont have to kill EVERY baddie off at the end..........this is how you get a rouges that keep coming back to plague or heroes.......take note marvel!!!!

[Echo7Solo]

Well Merriam Dictionary defines it simply as:
"A boy who is an enthusiastic devotee (as of comics or movies)”
So again you are debating about how real "The Dark Knight" was on a toy site for almost a 24 hour time span? What part does not scream Fan boy?
But, that’s cool. You are obviously good with words so you try and win an argument by picking the words apart..........LOL. The reason why you do that is because the point you were trying to make was silly. What was that point again? Oh, you thought the movie was not trying to be a super hero film or a comic book film!

I think the point he is trying to make here is it is a real world take on a superhero/ comic book film. Nolan has expressed time and again that he wants it to be what Batman would be like in the real world. So he does not approach the film as a comic book or super hero film.

As for the rest of your post you have a PM about that but I think it might be a good idea to make this very public and very clear. If you want to pick a fight with somebody you are in the wrong place. The staff will not tolerate this at all. So in the future you may want to reconsider how you are posting.

[gunslingercbr]

Well Merriam Dictionary defines it simply as:
"A boy who is an enthusiastic devotee (as of comics or movies)”
So again you are debating about how real "The Dark Knight" was on a toy site for almost a 24 hour time span? What part does not scream Fan boy?
But, that’s cool. You are obviously good with words so you try and win an argument by picking the words apart..........LOL. The reason why you do that is because the point you were trying to make was silly. What was that point again? Oh, you thought the movie was not trying to be a super hero film or a comic book film!
at the most I'm a Joe fanboy. what would that have to do with why I am defending Batman? you are obviously attempting to again expand the definition of fanboy to not be specific to certain properties and transferable from one property to another (that would be flawed because being a Joe fanboy doesn't make me a Strawberry Shortcake, Batman or any other fanboy as your position would demand) or simply making a sweeping statement, as if being a Joe fanboy would effect how I viewed Batman. neither of which are logical. why would my being a Joe fanboy effect why I would be defending Batman, as you would be insinuating with such a position?

I'm here discussing the movie because, one, I enjoyed the movie, and two, I enjoy conversing with board members. which leads me to the Robin possibility.

I hope they keep Robin out of it, he just doesn't seem necessary to this story, but I would like to see a Dick Grayson cameo.

[bradforj]

Joker to Batman


"I AM YOUR FATHER"

Batman replies: "SO AM I"

Technically he is right... because.. Joker created batman when he killed his parents... and then Batman created Joker when he hit him with the acid.....

so therefore...

they created each other :)

the yin to the yang.....

one can't exist with out the other :P



Why do I feel the need to sing the "I am my own grandpa" song?

[spacemonkeymafia]

Why dont both of you just stop........you both have the last word.....just let it go......and THIS is (Yes I know) coming from me.

You both are not going to convince the other you are a fanboy or your not one.........just let it go.......but it only takes one of you to put it behind you and walk away without getting the last word in......

"Why So Serious"? Its a movie yes (According to Nolan "Real Worldish") but come on....... no one here or on this planet will ever be The/A Bat-Man.........so in all reality it is a really good Comic Book movie............just let it go...........Like Timmy from South Park said......"I mean guys....come on".........

Jeez talk about the movie....not who is a geek here....WE ALL ARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[gunslingercbr]

it isn't about being right or trying to change his mind, I am simply challenging him to defend his position, which I think has flaws in it.

what is a comic book movie? any movie based on a comic? perhaps. but what about Unbreakable, which is considered by many to be a comic book movie but isn't based on a comic at all? if it is a comic book movie, being based on a comic isn't the criteria that defines a comic book movie, which was his position.

so what is the criteria for comic book movie? it would seem to be a movie that is meant to replicate a comic-like story (whether original or based on a comic), contain elements found in comics and which define the comic style, but in film form instead of comic form.

so, where does that leave the Dark Knight? TDK seems pretty intent on not being a live-action comic, and it more closely resemble a crime-thriller but inhabited by comic characters. is this absolute? no. so, yes, to a certain extent, of course TDK is a comic movie, but where it excels is that it is more of a crime-thriller than a comic movie. perhaps my initial simply statement should have been more detailed to eliminate any confusion, but I didn't think it would be challenged or deemed so incomprehensible. but it was challenged so I defended it.

[Echo7Solo]

regardless I think SMM is right and it is time to drop it and get back on topic.

[BronxBomber]

Just so everyone knows, I did not mean to cause a fight……..LOL. I was making an observation that Gunslingercbr finally agreed was correct concerning the fact that this is a Comic book / superhero film. The comment I felt I made was about the film and the overall tone which to my knowledge is within the parameters of the post. And after reading Gunslingercb’s post he clearly says he was engaging in conversation and he certainly did not say he was being attacked?
But regardless Echo I did receive your PM and obviously after threatening me I have no choice but to a post carefully in the future. Since it would seem that you want a public apology and acknowledgement, I am simply responding out of respect to the Tank and making sure you know that I understand and will comply with your demands. One gripe would be is that I do believe that it should have been addressed to both of us, but again I don’t make the rules.

The funny thing about all this is I agree with 90% of what Gunslingercb said…….
……..anyway If I am banned because of this then so be it. Either way I won’t post on this thread again.

[Batmandk02]

I have seen Dark Knight twice and I cannot take my eyes off of the Joker. And then you got Two-Face with that Eyeball that doesn't fall out of the socket when it looks like it could!! I am gonna take my wife to see it this week and then I am making an IMAX run sometime soon. Call me a FAN-atic or a freak... Comic Book character or not... That is a damn good movie. That's why it put Spidey-3 and Pirates to SHAME!!!!!!

[Shin Densetsu]

Honestly, I'd rather skip seeing Robin and just have a cameo of Nightwing, Nightwing fits the mood better, and yes I realize that would be far later in the timeline and that they are the same person. Dick Grayson is far better as Nightwing than he was as Robin....just forget he ever wore the 80's disco suit.

Dark Knight was a damn good movie and I am glad I was intent to not read any spoilers weeks prior to the movie.

[Echo7Solo]

Honestly, I'd rather skip seeing Robin and just have a cameo of Nightwing, Nightwing fits the mood better, and yes I realize that would be far later in the timeline and that they are the same person. Dick Grayson is far better as Nightwing than he was as Robin....just forget he ever wore the 80's disco suit.

Dark Knight was a damn good movie and I am glad I was intent to not read any spoilers weeks prior to the movie.

you know I would like to see just how Nolan would use Robin if he did. There are ways of making him cool and without Robin you can't have Nightwing. Now what I'd like to see most is a Nightwing TV series. But that is another story.

[Hit & Run]

Dark Knight was a damn good movie and I am glad I was intent to not read any spoilers weeks prior to the movie.

I don't know how I didn't spoil this movie for myself. I normally steer completely clear of all types of spoilers, etc, but I couldn't resist checking out the last Harvey Dent picture that came out months before the movie. That is the reason I saw the movie at 12:01 though. If anyone spoiled this movie for me I would have gone ballistic.

you know I would like to see just how Nolan would use Robin if he did. There are ways of making him cool and without Robin you can't have Nightwing. Now what I'd like to see most is a Nightwing TV series. But that is another story.

How could Nolan's Robin possibly be cooler than Chris O'Donnell? That scene in Batman Forever cut the time it takes me to do laundry by 15 minutes.