GI Joe Renegades Episode 24 - Going Underground Discussion [Archive] - HissTank.com

MFJayman

07-09-2011, 08:37 PM

I'm ready for this episode. I'm curious if Roadblock will get a new hoodie or have camo tank under his vest. The gators riped his hoodie to shreds last episode.

YO JOE!

Really? I thought RB was wearing a polo shirt throughout that whole swamp chase.

Overall, I was rather underwhelmed by episode 24. I thought the last 2 were top notch, but this one...maybe I was expecting too much out of it.

It wasn't bad, mind you. But it seems that now Revelations 1 and 2 will have a lot to carry, in terms of resolving and tying up many issues (i.e. the Flint one), concluding the whole "renegades" status of the Joes, etc. Not to mention including action worthy of a big climax (such as a sizable battle), the Scarlett's back story (flashbacks hopefully), etc.

I'm feeling that a whole lot is going to have to happen in the last 40 minutes of the show in order to bring adequate resolution to the series.

ChaplainAsst

07-09-2011, 08:39 PM

Not much in this episode. Sure, creates tension between characters - SE/Scarlet/Duke and CC/Baroness - but not much else. One could skip this episode and be ok.

Black Swan

07-09-2011, 08:48 PM

The whole Ripcord going Mr. Fantastic didn't sit too well with me, but I agree the whole Duke/Scarlett/SE dynamic is finally coming out. Also for a second I thought CC was gonna let the Baroness have it.

MFJayman

07-09-2011, 08:58 PM

The whole Ripcord going Mr. Fantastic didn't sit too well with me.

Me either. I've actually become pretty accustomed to many of the Bio Vipers and the idea of them (not loving 'em, not hating), but Ripcord having "Bio-Viper powers" is going a bit too far for me. And I'm one who tends to enjoy many of the outlandish elements that pop up in GI Joe.

Hopefully Ripcord will be "cured" in Revelations, though if so, that would just be one more of many things they would have to resolve in the remaining 40 minutes of the series. And there is already a lot on Revelations' plate, seemingly.

General Hawk

07-09-2011, 10:34 PM

Iron Claw

07-09-2011, 11:16 PM

I kinda liked the episode to be honest it was very insightful into some of the main characters and left room for character development.

RenHoek

07-09-2011, 11:52 PM

I haven't seen this episode yet, and probably won't be able to for a while. Can someone give me a summary of the plot without any spoilers? Any new characters introduced? If it was any good?

CG23

07-09-2011, 11:53 PM

I missed a few episodes... When did CC Get a full mask and a limp?

RenHoek

07-09-2011, 11:58 PM

I missed a few episodes... When did CC Get a full mask and a limp?

The Prodigal.

CG23

07-09-2011, 11:59 PM

The Prodigal.

Cool thank you.

TheSerpentKing

07-10-2011, 12:10 AM

Was a good ep. Nice to see the tensions growing between CC and Baroness. I kinda have a feeling we may see her and Mindbender turn on the ol' Commander by the end. I really hope there is no cliffhanger ending and that everything gets resolved but if i remember right Renegades was written with a 2nd season in mind. I'm not too sure how I feel about the whole Duke/SE/Scarlett triangle though and I definitely didn't like seeing SE storm off the way he did. Was so un-Snake Eyes imo.

MFJayman

07-10-2011, 12:37 AM

Episode 24 has been added to the GeneralsJoes Episode Guide!

Episode Twenty-Four – Going Underground | G.I. Joe: Renegades (http://generalsjoes.com/renegades/episode-guide/season-one/episode-twenty-four-going-underground/)

Great review as usual, G Hawk.

I really was not expecting the whole Duke/Scarlett/SE dynamic (or potential dynamic, as it was before this episode) to show up and develop as it did.

I'm hoping for a bit of good, revealing Scarlett/SE backstory/flashback(s) in Revelations. Oh, and what about SE's face? So much still to be revealed, resolved. I hope they can cram it all in. I think Revelations are going to be busy episodes!

GlasgowSmiles

07-10-2011, 05:32 AM

Gah, and now another wait...

Well, aside from my general dislike of Bio-Ripcord, I liked this episode. It set up some potentials, it gave us some good character moments. Tunnel Rat and the wiring reminded me of the bomb disarming scene in The Abyss, which is a plus. (Also, for some reason, I just really loved the colour of one of the wires being described as 'tuna casserole' throughout...)

I tend to not be a fan of love triangles, and I've never been a Duke/Scarlett 'shipper at all-- I see their relationship as being more the brother-in-arms thing that Duke just tends to have going with everybody. But, that said, I do like the potential for misunderstandings to arise based on walking in on the wrong moment of platonic super-closeness.

I don't know if I see SE's action as a 'storming off'-- between the mask and the inability to speak, he's a hard dude to read, so it's entirely possible that he's not throwing a hissy fit... though he's at least coming as close to that as he can. It seems to me like he should/would have stayed to hear her out when she called him back (or at least signaled something to the effect of 'we'll talk later'), but hey, everybody needs some cooldown time to themselves now and then...

Anyway, I'm not in it for the troubled romantic triangles. I loved that TR and Roadblock got a few moments-- the over-the-radio re-wiring talk, the bickering over the Coyote, the bro-fist (over something Ripcord was the one to actually accomplish...). I guess Ripcord got in on some of that comic relief guy action, when he wasn't pissing me off by having super powers/being not dead. Did like the guano/lichen running gag.

fireflyguy

07-10-2011, 07:20 AM

It was okay. I wished they have added more stuff in knowing that there are a few more episodes before the "hiatus".

edhellman

07-10-2011, 08:48 AM

Good episode. I enjoy the love triangle, but hope Snake Eyes wins out in the end.

So we finally see what Scarlett's dad looked like... Anyone still think he became CC? I dunno... Not much resemblance.

edhellman

07-10-2011, 08:48 AM

the animation in this episode was top-notch by the way.

NAJA EMPIRE

07-10-2011, 10:50 AM

just watched not... it was ok, set up for the mass device episode.

Stitch

07-10-2011, 11:50 AM

anybody catch the preview for the next episode during the credits?
seems like SE is holding back some interesting information
also, SE should've just pounded Duke a few times instead of running away.

firefly069

07-10-2011, 12:59 PM

I liked it as well. Not as much as the last couple weeks but better than the bio-viper specific episodes! The last two should be interesting. I also don't mind ripcord even with the super powers as its a different take. It adds a different dynamic to the team and gives him a purpose.

MFJayman

07-10-2011, 01:15 PM

anybody catch the preview for the next episode during the credits?
seems like SE is holding back some interesting information
also, SE should've just pounded Duke a few times instead of running away.

I just got on here thinking about that very thing. I only caught a momentary glimpse of the preview, maybe 2 seconds worth. It looked like the Baroness in her power suit zapping someone (was it SE?) in a barn or something.

So clearly, I have no idea what was going on there.

bandonov

07-10-2011, 01:36 PM

It was a good episode, more filler then substance. The last 2 epiosdes are going to be great!

Charade

07-10-2011, 01:39 PM

Overall, I was rather underwhelmed by episode 24. I thought the last 2 were top notch, but this one...maybe I was expecting too much out of it.

Same here. Though in my mind, it's going to be hard for any episode to out-do the last Jinx/SS episode.

I did enjoy the Duke/Scarlett moments (as brothers-in-arms), but thought the writers went for the cheap/soap opera-y plot cliche by having SE run off the way he did.

I'm guessing this is pure setup for the final episodes. Scarlett finally has definitive proof of Cobra's underhanded motives with those tunnels. It's not going to take a lot for Hawk to call off Flint and invite Scarlett and Co. back into the fold, now as the designated "experts" on Cobra.

It's a shame about Flint, though. He never did get his chance to really shine this season.

General Hawk

07-10-2011, 01:55 PM

You know, I think Scarlett is really hiding something here. I mean, the entire season she's had this bizarre motivation for wanting Cobra brought down, and most of the Joes have kind of forgotten that. I think it might be a bit more sinister than just wanting justice for something.

During that little preview it shows Snake Eyes with something and Scarlett seems very worried about what he found in there, and the preview mentions a secret that could tear the team apart.

I'm wondering if Snake Eyes seeing Scarlett and Duke like that finally motivated him to go and dig up Scarlett's past? I'm really interested in seeing where this goes.

I am with everyone else on the whole Ripcord thing. I'm getting a bit tired of his superhuman Bio-Viper powers. As if the Bio-Vipers weren't a bit tired enough already, now one of the Joes is basically one of them. Hopefully he gets cured in the last 2 parter.

Speaking of which, that leaves a ton of loose ends to tie up, if they're going to:

- Scarlett's secret
- Snake Eyes' past
- Ripcord's condition
- Is Cobra revealed for what they are?
- Are the Joes exonerated?

That seems like a lot for 2 more episodes. We'll see how they do.

Fox

07-10-2011, 02:20 PM

Here's wild thought.

Scarlet doesn't talk about her past. What if Cobra Commander is her father?

Charade

07-10-2011, 02:30 PM

You know, I think Scarlett is really hiding something here.

I agree. The whole issue about not wanting to talk about her family seemed to be setting up for something big down the future. And now that you mention it, GH, Scarlett's obsession with taking down Cobra needs to be explained. I'm not sure if it's sinister as much as it's going to be personal.

Although there is that glowing necklace she has that will probably play a part in the next episodes.

homer_sapien

07-10-2011, 03:45 PM

I want Snake Eyes with the Trench Coat on Zartan's bike as a deluxe figure pack.

scoffie

07-10-2011, 04:34 PM

mmm the necklace is the key??

Although there is that glowing necklace she has that will probably play a part in the next episodes.[/QUOTE]

TheSerpentKing

07-10-2011, 06:25 PM

I agree. The whole issue about not wanting to talk about her family seemed to be setting up for something big down the future. And now that you mention it, GH, Scarlett's obsession with taking down Cobra needs to be explained. I'm not sure if it's sinister as much as it's going to be personal.

Although there is that glowing necklace she has that will probably play a part in the next episodes.

I get the feeling Scarlett may have done some work for Cobra and it got her family hurt or killed and that's why she doesn't talks about here family and why she is so obsessive on destroying Cobra.

Charade

07-10-2011, 06:31 PM

I get the feeling Scarlett may have done some work for Cobra and it got her family hurt or killed and that's why she doesn't talks about here family and why she is so obsessive on destroying Cobra.

I like that a lot, actually. Personal guilt, as opposed to family-associated guilt, would explain a lot.

In fact, I like it so much that even if Scarlett DOES turn out to be CC's daughter, I will ignore that and convince myself that what you postulate is actually what happened... :D

Dangerjoe

07-10-2011, 07:18 PM

I always like Duke with Scarlett better, Snake-eye is the type of guy who is better off without a woman

Charade

07-10-2011, 08:08 PM

MFJayman

07-10-2011, 09:27 PM

Frankly, I would prefer they eliminated all romantic overtones from GI Joe. Make War, not Love!

The only relationship I've ever really cared for was that between Destro and the Baroness. To give Renegades credit, I thought they were doing a great job in that department....

I don't mind there being a little touch of romance, or the possibility of romance, in Joe, mainly between either Destro/Baroness or Flint/L Jaye. Particularly with Destro and the Baroness, I think it helps humanize and endear two characters that are otherwise portrayed as pretty damn cold and ruthless. In fact, I'd say that it was their interaction in Castle Destro that absolutely made that episode.

Anyway, I suppose this new level of tension and conflict between Duke/SE/Scarlett is yet another issue (among many) that will have to be resolved in the 40 minute timeframe of Revelations. Unless they actually leave it to be resolved in some future media.

Steel Brigade

07-10-2011, 10:37 PM

I really liked this episode. The dialogue was great & I appreciated the Scarlett/Duke arc.

nowlight

07-11-2011, 08:11 AM

Did anyone else think that Stalker is beside Duke, after the dinner is cut in half?

VideoViper

07-11-2011, 09:29 AM

This was a good ep, given that it would have set up a lot for season 2 to deal with. As an adult I have learned to appricate the romance part. (Heck its better than most chick flicks plots My wife watches.)

If they play the heck out of renegades thoughout the summer/2011. (As I expect them too.) I could see them bringing it back.

Stitch

07-11-2011, 10:10 AM

Nothing wrong with bringing duke into the picture as long it ends the way hama had it originally. I really cant see how they can tie up every loose end in 2 episodes. I feel a big a lost-like letdown is coming in the end.

Praetorian

07-11-2011, 10:16 AM

It's not surprising how everyone here seems to forget or ignore everything that was shown and stated between Snake Eyes and Scarlett. Duke and Scarlett talk for a little bit and that some how means it’s a love triangle??? You people give know meaning to the word "exaggeration". The only thing that's going to do is be a complete waste of time from the real important parts of the story and plot.

It's also not surprised that hardly anyone here gets or understands on why Snake Eyes/Scarlett make a good or the better couple. Only Larry Hama and SE/S fans understand that

RolandofGilead

07-11-2011, 12:25 PM

TheSerpentKing

07-11-2011, 07:01 PM

Everyone keeps hoping the last two episodes will tie up all the loose ends. I'm not so sure it will. First, did they finish the final episodes before, or after they learned the show was going in "hiatus?" If it was after, then these shows were still written with the intent of coming back next season.

Second, the show is designed to set the Joe and Cobra lines up in some semblance of the ARAH world we know and love. That means most every dangling plot line would have to remain so as this has all been an elaborate set up for the beginning.

This. I mean I hope the last 2 eps tie everything up but like I said in an earlier post I think Ren was written with a 2nd season in mind unless Hasbro went back a tweaked the least few eps which I doubt.

Kinda off topic, but I always felt the Crimson Twins would end up showing up in the last ep to replace Baroness and Destro after they turn on CC and in season 2 there would be a conflict between Cobra and MARS with the Joes caught in the middle.

I'm hoping against hope that at SDCC Hasbro will announce that Renegades will not be put on hiatus and we'll get a 2nd season in 2012.

MFJayman

07-11-2011, 10:00 PM

The one big thing that I think should definitely be resolved, or tied up, in Revelations is the renegade status of the Joes. I'd prefer that the Joes not continue being "renegades" should the future cartoon (or other media) pick up where Renegades leaves off.

However, it might be interesting to have things develop where Hawk does indeed exonerate them, but the rest of the military and government does not, forcing a newly expanded Joe Team (partially legitimized and led by Hawk) to continue fighting Cobra as an underground freedom fighting force. I suppose this would still leave them as “renegades” of a sort, but more along the lines of the Rebel Alliance of SW fighting the Empire, than a group of 5 or 6 outlaws in a truck.

MFJayman

07-11-2011, 10:12 PM

Kinda off topic, but I always felt the Crimson Twins would end up showing up in the last ep to replace Baroness and Destro after they turn on CC and in season 2 there would be a conflict between Cobra and MARS with the Joes caught in the middle.

Frankly, I'd love to see all the important Cobras and Joes make some kind of appearance in Revelations, as both side essentially rally their resources for a big showdown. But I get the sense that the Twin's role in the series may have been wrapped up back in Union of the Snake, when they went off to create a new organization. I'm betting the next time we see them will be in the next cartoon, as business-suit wearing CEOs of Extensive Enterprises.

But anyway, I think Renegades has done a great job at setting up plenty of internal conflict within Cobra and between MARS and Cobra, which the next series should be able to exploit to great effect, assuming it continues with the Renegades storyline.

WildWill

07-11-2011, 10:51 PM

I want Snake Eyes with the Trench Coat on Zartan's bike as a deluxe figure pack.

YUPPERS Me too...Me too...I think that there are 1/18th scale bikes that would work for it though...

Stitch

07-12-2011, 09:10 AM

I don't expect everything to be resolved. But I would not mind a couple issues to tied up:

scarlett's past/father issues
se's disfigurement

VideoViper

07-12-2011, 09:39 AM

My guess, not spoilers just a guess.

Revalations will be the start of the offical Joe team. Some storylines will continue until the would be season two. As a lot of this season's storylines were set ups for later seasons.

It will have a season ending, (Which is usually designed to be a series end if needed.)

Nictus

07-12-2011, 10:02 AM

ripcord's "go go gadget arm" was used FAR too much...and roadblock's pun about his codename was pathetic even for a kid's show.

Scarlett's nearly instant desire to "make peace with death" was so out of character...i mean honestly...just because your leg is trapped and your "macgyver" skills with the bluetooth comm unit doesn't work and you're ready to say "fuck it i'm ready to die" seriously doesn't suit the character.

this episode was quite "sunbow-esque" in the sense that cobra had an overwhelming chance at killing the joes...but lady luck and murphy's law had other plans, and the baroness was left looking like a fool.

did the episode add to the overall story? yes
the quality of the content that was added is however open to debate

although like others i think i was expecting more out of this episode simply based on the past few...my mistake

edhellman

07-12-2011, 06:38 PM

American Joe

07-12-2011, 07:38 PM

I am hoping (and fully expect) the following:

snake eyes' scars
snake eyes' relationship with scarlet explained
scarlet's dad and his backstory explained
the joe group forming with flint's
cobra closes as a benevolent company and goes under ground.Given how the final scene of the last episode ended with Scarlet’s locket glowing red, I think it’s safe to say it/her farther will be touched on next episode.

The awkwardness between Duke, Scarlet and Snake-Eyes, too, should be addressed if not resolved by its end.

I expect the finale to end on a high note, a bang of sorts. The Joe’s exposing Cobra for what it really is sounds very likely, but I wonder if the Joe team will be officially formed at all? The US military or a special task force hunting down cobra would make for a great return, would it not?

Tomax and Xamot might be better left for season 2 as well.

Oh, did I miss an episode about encompassing Snake-Eye’s scars? I only remember him puncturing his neck, opening a passage to breathe, but shouldn’t his have healed by now, Scarlet’s neck looks fine…

MFJayman

07-12-2011, 08:12 PM

Oh, did I miss an episode about encompassing Snake-Eye’s scars? I only remember him puncturing his neck, opening a passage to breathe, but shouldn’t his have healed by now, Scarlet’s neck looks fine…

As far as I recall, there has been at least one scene that hinted at SE's face being scarred: the scene in Dreadnoks Rising, where SE is captured and Zartan removes his visor. Zartan looks shocked, and puts the visor back on SE's face, saying, "Looks like you need this more than me."

firefly069

07-12-2011, 08:49 PM

I would be surprised if the twins don't appear in revelations. Once cobra is outed as a terrorist group, they can't work as a pharmaceutical company anymore. I think the twins will step in having formed their new company and offer to be the cover for Cobra's dealings for a cut of the profits.

I am hoping (and fully expect) the following:

snake eyes' scars
snake eyes' relationship with scarlet explained
scarlet's dad and his backstory explained
the joe group forming with flint's
cobra closes as a benevolent company and goes under ground.

The main thing for me is Flint realizing they aren't criminals and scarlett's obsession with Cobra everything else is secondary.

As for Cobra being outed they can still be a pharmaceutical company as most of those companies are evil corporations so it's pretty par for the course!

American Joe

07-12-2011, 10:38 PM

As far as I recall, there has been at least one scene that hinted at SE's face being scarred: the scene in Dreadnoks Rising, where SE is captured and Zartan removes his visor. Zartan looks shocked, and puts the visor back on SE's face, saying, "Looks like you need this more than me."

Oh, that's right. I forgot all about that episode (f^_^; )

MFJayman

07-12-2011, 11:25 PM

Oh, that's right. I forgot all about that episode (f^_^; )

Yeah, I don't blame you, it wasn't one of the better episodes, IMO.

Ultimately, I don't think it's that important for the writers to explain SE's scars yet. I'd rather they devote time in the last 2 eps to more important issues, but hey, if they can fit it in, then great. But really, they can probably leave it to be explained in a later season.

MFJayman

07-12-2011, 11:48 PM

The main thing for me is Flint realizing they aren't criminals and scarlett's obsession with Cobra everything else is secondary.

As for Cobra being outed they can still be a pharmaceutical company as most of those companies are evil corporations so it's pretty par for the course!

Also, let’s not forget, Cobra is involved in many industries aside from pharmaceuticals, such as the arms/defense industry, agriculture, telecommunications, and probably porn, drug smuggling, Afghan poppy cultivation, addictive video game development, fast food, PMCs, children’s television programing, etc.

I was watching Homecoming again a while back, and I noticed that in DeCobray’s Christmas party speech he said, “As we continue to dominate the international marketplace, you can expect an even more significant presence from Cobra in the coming year.” This indicated to me that Cobra may not simply be a giant corporate conglomerate—it might be THE giant conglomerate, dwarfing all others globally.

Really, I think Cobra is too big to fail. At least for a few seasons.

BCYOJOE

07-14-2011, 04:29 AM

I want Snake Eyes with the Trench Coat on Zartan's bike as a deluxe figure pack.

You are not the only one ;)

Sergeant Slaughter

07-14-2011, 05:05 AM

Yeah that would be great, no doubt.

VideoViper

07-14-2011, 08:07 AM

Also, let’s not forget, Cobra is involved in many industries aside from pharmaceuticals, such as the arms/defense industry, agriculture, telecommunications, and probably porn, drug smuggling, Afghan poppy cultivation, addictive video game development, fast food, PMCs, children’s television programing, etc

children’s television programing,....

Why Cobra Commander never did a PSA.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxTv0g79ik8