POC Jungle Assault Jungle BAT Review

[Iok]

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Yesterday's Blowtorch Review featured a 25th Anniversary figure re-packaged and passed-off as a PoC figure. Today sees Hasbro doing another re-release of a 25th Anniversary figure, but this time doing it right.

That Figures: REVIEW: GI Joe Jungle Assault Jungle BAT (http://that-figures.blogspot.com/2011/06/review-gi-joe-jungle-assault-jungle-bat.html)

[krooklyn]

The BAT has always been my favorite and despite the cool repaint, I wish Hasbro would have redesigned the figure. Much in the same way as the POC Viper and Cobra Trooper. The BAT is due for a true update.

[krooklyn]

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Yesterday's Blowtorch Review featured a 25th Anniversary figure re-packaged and passed-off as a PoC figure. Today sees Hasbro doing another re-release of a 25th Anniversary figure, but this time doing it right.

That Figures: REVIEW: GI Joe Jungle Assault Jungle BAT (http://that-figures.blogspot.com/2011/06/review-gi-joe-jungle-assault-jungle-bat.html)

Good review, however, I don't understand how Hasbro "got it right" with this one. I admit, I love all the accessories and at the least they repainted the figure. But Hasbro should have re-sculpted this one or part swapped with some of the newer sculpted POC figures.

[Iok]

Good review, however, I don't understand how Hasbro "got it right" with this one. I admit, I love all the accessories and at the least they repainted the figure. But Hasbro should have re-sculpted this one or part swapped with some of the newer sculpted POC figures.

Thanks.

Given that these last two waves have been essentially re-releases and kit-bashes I think Hasbro ''got it right'' in the way they used a 25th Anniversary figure and modernised it. They not only tightened up the original's loose connectors (although that could be more to do with storage/packaging than manufacture, but still...) but also repainted it with a more modern look and added some lifelike details (such as the broken chest panel and damaged head.)

I am an advocate of radical redesigns when they're needed (as I said in yesterday's Blowtorch review, I'd have loved some kind of jungle camo dude with a flamethrower and an attitude) but aside from the 1980s ''computerised'' chest panel, there's nothing here that doesn't work for a modern figure and in my view it's a great modernisation of the original (which was already pretty good anyway.)

Hope that explains it a bit better.

[krooklyn]

Thanks.

Given that these last two waves have been essentially re-releases and kit-bashes I think Hasbro ''got it right'' in the way they used a 25th Anniversary figure and modernised it. They not only tightened up the original's loose connectors (although that could be more to do with storage/packaging than manufacture, but still...) but also repainted it with a more modern look and added some lifelike details (such as the broken chest panel and damaged head.)

I am an advocate of radical redesigns when they're needed (as I said in yesterday's Blowtorch review, I'd have loved some kind of jungle camo dude with a flamethrower and an attitude) but aside from the 1980s ''computerised'' chest panel, there's nothing here that doesn't work for a modern figure and in my view it's a great modernisation of the original (which was already pretty good anyway.)

Hope that explains it a bit better.

You definitely have a point. But (IMO), I hardly believe a repaint of this particular figure modernizes it. However, I love the current paint scheme, but it feels cheap. Sure, the original paint scheme would not have work for the POC line, but Hasbro should have a re-sculpted this one. POC represents the future of GI Joe and the BAT looks too old school now. It sucks, because I loved the ME BAT in the 25th line and strongly dislike the POC version for being a cheap short-cut.

[Iok]

You definitely have a point. But (IMO), I hardly believe a repaint of this particular figure modernizes it. However, I love the current paint scheme, but it feels cheap. Sure, the original paint scheme would not have work for the POC line, but Hasbro should have a re-sculpted this one. POC represents the future of GI Joe and the BAT looks too old school now. It sucks, because I loved the ME BAT in the 25th line and strongly dislike the POC version for being a cheap short-cut.

I think he's as modern-looking (chest plate aside) as many of the POC figures, especially given the nature of the character/concept. I'm also not really sure what they could do with the sculpt to modernise it without losing a lot of the BAT character/design and I think this new paintwork and the modified chest panel/damaged head do a very good job bringing it up-to-date.

And given that Hasbro has pretty much spent the bare minimum on the last 2 waves (which were really just ''fill-ins'' until the 30th/Renegades toys hit) I think they've been pretty savvy in the way they produced a very good toy from a previously released figure.

[Nirvana]

I'd have to add in to the "Didn't get it right" group. Each of mine has been stripped of all the useless gear (HD chaingun, gunbelt) and even the chest plate was replaced with one from a Family Dollar 25th version I had around. The BAT doesn't do well holding the big gun. The gunbelt limits arm movement. Once the gunbelt is removed, the BAT backpack doesn't fit as well because the peg has been extended for that in-the-way gunbelt. The hands and head are casted in the same light green plastic as the main body, yet the three additional arm attachments are casted in proper black. So there's a little bit of a color difference between arm (dull gunmetal) and the extra attachment (silver).

I like the idea of a Jungle BAT, but I've given them to Joe because the camo makes more sense hanging with a Joe unit as a reprogrammed BAT rather than something Cobra would do. As a figure, Hasbro half-assed this the entire way.

[Iok]

I'd have to add in to the "Didn't get it right" group. Each of mine has been stripped of all the useless gear (HD chaingun, gunbelt) and even the chest plate was replaced with one from a Family Dollar 25th version I had around. The BAT doesn't do well holding the big gun. The gunbelt limits arm movement. Once the gunbelt is removed, the BAT backpack doesn't fit as well because the peg has been extended for that in-the-way gunbelt. The hands and head are casted in the same light green plastic as the main body, yet the three additional arm attachments are casted in proper black. So there's a little bit of a color difference between arm (dull gunmetal) and the extra attachment (silver).

I like the idea of a Jungle BAT, but I've given them to Joe because the camo makes more sense hanging with a Joe unit as a reprogrammed BAT rather than something Cobra would do. As a figure, Hasbro half-assed this the entire way.

Weird. I'm really digging this, much more than a lot of the other figures I've seen in this wave and I think it stands up well as a pretty nifty figure.

As for the chain gun, as I mentioned in the Review, the claw hand makes it pretty easy to grip the gun's top ''handle'' and from there you can pose him with the right ''normal'' hand on the control stick/trigger. The belt feed is a little bit of a pain but it's the same with the other weapons that use such three-part assemblies.

[Playful]

You’ve made the common error to refer to this Gatling gun as a chain gun. A chain gun has a single barrel while a Gatling gun has several rotating barrels, and is a type of machine gun or auto cannon which uses an external source of power.

The Jungle B.A.T. which you are writing your review for uses the XM214 Microgun by General Electric, specifically the man portable GE Six-Pak. It weighs 27 lbs. but with 1,000 rounds of ammunition weighs 85 lbs. Usually carried by a two-man team, but the Battle Android Trooper can handle it just fine by itself. The weapon has it’s own 24 volt power source and is not powered by the B.A.T.

I’m glad they included this weapon with the B.A.T., since most G.I. Joes are not physically strong enough to wield this weapon.

Maybe it’s just me, but I somehow prefer just the AKMS assault rifle and the kukri machete that the figure comes with. It seems neat to pretend that Joe is squaring off with a jungle trooper, only to discover that what he is fighting is inhuman and nigh unstoppable.

[Iok]

Thanks for the weapons info. I'll go correct that!

[Xenos]

I think this Bat looks pretty cool, but I already have almost 50 of the 25th Anniversary ones, so I think I'm going to pass on these.
Personally, I still think the 25th Bat is the best figure Hasbro has released since the start of the ME construction. Everything about it is perfect in my mind, so I don't mind that they reused the mold. However, it doesn't really make sense to me to put cammo on Bats when there were always meant to be a shock and awe kind of attack, not stealthy.

Honestly, I would have been more likely to buy these if they kept the original paint scheme.

[Iok]

I kind of like the idea of it being a ''Stealth BAT'' emerging from the jungle with little warning and just advancing under a hail of fire. OK, so they are pretty unstoppable but the fact that they're now unstoppable AND they can ''sneak up'' on you (well, kind of) just makes them seem more intimidating to me.

[orezona]

I just got my Jungle Assault BAT yesterday and he's an awesome figure.

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I did paint the middle of his eye red and switched out his ammo belt with Roadblock's.

My only gripe is that he could hold his minigun easier if he had the more articulated wrists. They need to add those to all future figures, IMO.

[Iok]

I just got my Jungle Assault BAT yesterday and he's an awesome figure.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c102/axisofevilskateboards/COBRAAAAA/IMG_0144.jpg

I did paint the middle of his eye red and switched out his ammo belt with Roadblock's.

My only gripe is that he could hold his minigun easier if he had the more articulated wrists. They need to add those to all future figures, IMO.

I like the mods - he looks very cool.

And as I mentioned, I found using the claw hand on the left hand worked very well when it comes to keeping the gun in place.

[orezona]

I like the mods - he looks very cool.

And as I mentioned, I found using the claw hand on the left hand worked very well when it comes to keeping the gun in place.

Thanks. Since I just got him I'm still "playing" with him and the poses I can figure out for him. I'll put on the claw to see if I like that (hint: I probably will).

I do have to agree that the AK and Gurkha kukri don't add much to this figure but any extra accessories are okay in my book. It is an improvement over the lack of any rifle/main assault weapon on the 25th reissue.
You mentioned that these were kit bashed from somewhere else? Which figures came with the metal stock AK-47 and/or Gurkha knife?

[Iok]

Thanks. Since I just got him I'm still "playing" with him and the poses I can figure out for him. I'll put on the claw to see if I like that (hint: I probably will).

I do have to agree that the AK and Gurkha kukri don't add much to this figure but any extra accessories are okay in my book. It is an improvement over the lack of any rifle/main assault weapon on the 25th reissue.
You mentioned that these were kit bashed from somewhere else? Which figures came with the metal stock AK-47 and/or Gurkha knife?

Yeah, if you put the claw with the ''fixed'' pincer at the bottom and the articulated on on top it holds the Gatling gun really well.

As for the other accessories, the Kukri/Machete is from Shadow Tracker. - That Figures: REVIEW: GI Joe: Pursuit of Cobra - Jungle Assault Shadow Tracker (http://that-figures.blogspot.com/2011/03/review-gi-joe-jungle-assault-shadow.html)

The AK-47, I'm not so sure about but it looks familiar.

[M_renegade]

LoL
You certainly like BATs.
All the negative points on Blowtorch (for you, of course) are positive on the BAT lol

A orange Alley-BAT would have been the logical choice (or even black-red and deco to match the new AVs) but a jungle BAT has to be the most stupid idea i've seen lately (followed by Blowtorch, if he's Jungle based too).
Yeah, the filecard says they're adapted and blah blah but that's just BS.

Also, he comes with a crapload of weapons... while he actually have them already built in the changeable arms. (and the robotic hands can't hold anything well, one of the few modern hands that actually don't work well)

And the jungle camo, while it looks somewhat cool, it seriously limits his use as figure...a regular dark BAT could be used for any diorama, but a green camoed one it's just for jungle. *shrug*

Anyways, to each his good.
Your review is ok, you seem to look and consider on many aspects and that's cool, but sometimes are too biased toward what you like or not. :)

[Iok]

LoL
You certainly like BATs.
All the negative points on Blowtorch (for you, of course) are positive on the BAT lol

A orange Alley-BAT would have been the logical choice (or even black-red and deco to match the new AVs) but a jungle BAT has to be the most stupid idea i've seen lately (followed by Blowtorch, if he's Jungle based too).
Yeah, the filecard says they're adapted and blah blah but that's just BS.

Also, he comes with a crapload of weapons... while he actually have them already built in the changeable arms. (and the robotic hands can't hold anything well, one of the few modern hands that actually don't work well)

And the jungle camo, while it looks somewhat cool, it seriously limits his use as figure...a regular dark BAT could be used for any diorama, but a green camoed one it's just for jungle. *shrug*

Anyways, to each his good.
Your review is ok, you seem to look and consider on many aspects and that's cool, but sometimes are too biased toward what you like or not. :)

I'm a collector first and a blogger/Reviewer second, so my Reviews are always based on a sense of what I like and don't like. I try to make that clear in my Reviews and I also try to both give credit where it's due and criticism when it's needed. But at the end of the day, it's about the toys being more (or sometimes less) than the sum of their parts. Most collectors know what I mean when I talk about a toy ''talking'' to you or connecting. Some do, some don't. In this case, the BAT - despite a couple of minor failings - has a much better ''feel'' to it than yesterday's Blowtorch (whose failings were simply too numerous to ignore.)

Regarding the colouring, I really like the BAT in camo, as it makes sense. The fact that they're harder to spot approaching doesn't make them any less intimidating or unstoppable. Indeed I think it not only makes them more believable but also adds another level of scariness to them. They're unstoppable AND hard to spot? Works for me. And to say it limits their use in dioramas is an accusation you could level at virtually all the PoC figures. I also don't understand why a Jungle BAT is ''BS'' yet you like the idea of an Alley BAT. That makes no more sense to me than the Jungle BAT does to you.

Whilst Blowtorch and the BAT do share some common faults (such as having gear they can't be equipped with) the difference is that the BAT also has gear that CAN be used, much more effectively than Blowtorch and his equipment. Blowtorch is also thematically confused and his role seems ill-defined. The BAT on the other hand is what it is - a killing machine with a variety of weapons that can be configured to suit the collector/kid playing with it and this is something it does well.

My opinion is just that - an opinion, nothing more. The same as yours. You criticise the Jungle BAT because you don't like it. I praise it because I do.

[ljacone]

I just opened this guy up tonight and I have to call him a solid figure indeed. I posed him holding the gatling gun with one hand and the other hand was the flame thrower weapon. I gave him the ammo pack backpack and chained the ammo over. He looks very imposing, like he and his fellow BATs are going to mow down the jungle to find the Joes. Very cool!

Of course I am more prone as I have been a BAT fan since I was 6!

[fireflyguy]

No pun intended, but if I see him in the wild, I'll get him. Of course, his camouflage must be working really well, because I haven't seen him at all (or any of wave 5 or 6).

[the odinson]

he'll be good for customs, as all b.a.t.s are. i'll get at least one so i can mess him up real good.

[Iok]

I just opened this guy up tonight and I have to call him a solid figure indeed. I posed him holding the gatling gun with one hand and the other hand was the flame thrower weapon. I gave him the ammo pack backpack and chained the ammo over. He looks very imposing, like he and his fellow BATs are going to mow down the jungle to find the Joes. Very cool!

Of course I am more prone as I have been a BAT fan since I was 6!

Yeah, that's the impression he gives me too - you can imagine a line of them advancing and just blasting everything in their path.

The thing I like about the camo though is I can imagine the damaged ones that are no longer able to move particularly well going into ''booby trap'' mode and just lying around pretending to be busted parts and then attacking anything that comes too close, kind of like zombie lurkers...

[Iok]

No pun intended, but if I see him in the wild, I'll get him. Of course, his camouflage must be working really well, because I haven't seen him at all (or any of wave 5 or 6).

Hehe! Yeah, it took me forever to find any of the newer Waves. I must have combed just about every store within 50 miles of here, yet found them purely by chance when I wasn't even looking at a store just 6 or so miles from home.

[Iok]

he'll be good for customs, as all b.a.t.s are. i'll get at least one so i can mess him up real good.

That sounds like a cool idea - there's a fair amount of gear to use later, too.

[M_renegade]

I'm a collector first and a blogger/Reviewer second, so my Reviews are always based on a sense of what I like and don't like. I try to make that clear in my Reviews and I also try to both give credit where it's due and criticism when it's needed.

Hey, i wasn't arguing that, to each his own!
Just as you like BATs and find BT boring, i think the exact opposite lol

The different tastes is what makes collecting fun.

I really like the BAT in camo, as it makes sense. The fact that they're harder to spot approaching doesn't make them any less intimidating or unstoppable. Indeed I think it not only makes them more believable but also adds another level of scariness to them. They're unstoppable AND hard to spot? Works for me. And to say it limits their use in dioramas is an accusation you could level at virtually all the PoC figures. I also don't understand why a Jungle BAT is ''BS'' yet you like the idea of an Alley BAT. That makes no more sense to me than the Jungle BAT does to you.

I can see what you mean of course. Nothing says Urban dressing on orange lol
What i meant is that a walking shooting machine (which is what BATS are) make smore sense for urban combat rather than jungle.

A BAT in camo is not going to be hard to spot.
If you never been on a Jungle you can't imagine how it is. It's kinda like a swamp in manby aspects, but it's hot instead of cold, and while there might not be fog the grounds is way trickier since it's not flat by any means. Granted, a BAT might be heath/moist proof, but the momentit steps on a Jungle it would sunk to the knee, or fall thru a ground crack, or fall into pit sand. Only a living creature with knowledge would do it.
Besides, with all the noise and smoke he would be really easy to spot anyways.

Not that Blowtorch would do better lol

With BS i mean that explanation of "they're adapted to heat and blah blah". There shouldn't be an explanation, it's GI Joe lol

Whilst Blowtorch and the BAT do share some common faults (such as having gear they can't be equipped with) the difference is that the BAT also has gear that CAN be used, much more effectively than Blowtorch and his equipment. Blowtorch is also thematically confused and his role seems ill-defined. The BAT on the other hand is what it is - a killing machine with a variety of weapons that can be configured to suit the collector/kid playing with it and this is something it does well.

Hum, as far as i can see, BT can use all his gear, same as the BAT.
What i meant is that the BAT has pointless equipment. What's the pointof equiping him with a machete, if he has a claw/blade hand? I'm not even starting on the pointless flamethrower, laser or gatling gun for a jungle ops, since well, it's just Gi Joe.
But he could have come with something different (i dunno, Recondo's bear traps, or something silly like that). There's a lot of accesories to give him better than weapons he already has built in.

In any case, again, to each his own.
It would be boring if everyone said "oh cool" to anything :D

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[Iok]

Hey, i wasn't arguing that, to each his own!
Just as you like BATs and find BT boring, i think the exact opposite lol

The different tastes is what makes collecting fun.


Very true and if it weren't the case, we'd be collecting GI Snake Eyes, now with Free Hat! Wait, not the best example but you get my meaning...


I can see what you mean of course. Nothing says Urban dressing on orange lol
What i meant is that a walking shooting machine (which is what BATS are) make smore sense for urban combat rather than jungle.


Ah, I see. I thought you meant visually, rather than purpose-wise.


A BAT in camo is not going to be hard to spot.
If you never been on a Jungle you can't imagine how it is. It's kinda like a swamp in manby aspects, but it's hot instead of cold, and while there might not be fog the grounds is way trickier since it's not flat by any means. Granted, a BAT might be heath/moist proof, but the momentit steps on a Jungle it would sunk to the knee, or fall thru a ground crack, or fall into pit sand. Only a living creature with knowledge would do it.
Besides, with all the noise and smoke he would be really easy to spot anyways.


I kind of imagine the BATs like zombies in some sense too, though. And I kind of envisage the broken-down-but-not-dead BATs crawling around or even remaining still as booby traps, kind of like zombie lurkers. Plus I just dig the camo.


Hum, as far as i can see, BT can use all his gear, same as the BAT.
What i meant is that the BAT has pointless equipment. What's the pointof equiping him with a machete, if he has a claw/blade hand? I'm not even starting on the pointless flamethrower, laser or gatling gun for a jungle ops, since well, it's just Gi Joe.
But he could have come with something different (i dunno, Recondo's bear traps, or something silly like that). There's a lot of accesories to give him better than weapons he already has built in.


In an ideal world the Gatling gun would have been a plug-in arm accessory, rather than a separate unit. But given the limitations Hasbro produced these waves under (i.e. spend virtually nothing, re-use everything) we're not going to see that. Although personally I like the Gatling gun. As mentioned before, you could envisage an entire army of them slicing through the foliage with their cannons. And then when they get up-close they discard them and go into close-combat with their pistols or robot arms. I dunno. Maybe I think too much about scenarios for my toys...

As for Blowtorch, I just found it a pain getting him to pose in any kind of meaningful/cool way due to the accessories. The BAT may struggle with a couple of its pieces but I found it much easier to get to look cool or expressive.

But thanks for the feedback!

[ljacone]

Hum, as far as i can see, BT can use all his gear, same as the BAT.
What i meant is that the BAT has pointless equipment. What's the pointof equiping him with a machete, if he has a claw/blade hand? I'm not even starting on the pointless flamethrower, laser or gatling gun for a jungle ops, since well, it's just Gi Joe.
But he could have come with something different (i dunno, Recondo's bear traps, or something silly like that). There's a lot of accesories to give him better than weapons he already has built in.


Emphasis mine.

Well, for the gatling gun, I just imagine Blaine from Predator. They were certainly in jungle conditions there and his gun seemed appropriate.

As for the flamethrower, my thought is that the BATs could also be sent out to clear cut, slashing and burning their way through the bush. Or perhaps to set as much as they can on fire while firing as many rounds as possible into the bush in order to "flush out" any potential ambushes. Like an ultraviolent version of a beater in pheasant hunting.

Like you say, the jungle is a very harsh environment and it takes an intelligent creature to navigate it safely. But the BATs were never intelligent troopers, even in flat territory. Just turn them towards the enemy and let them loose, then get the hell out of dodge. Putting them in the wilderness or even deep jungle is a command compromise, made because they are cheaper and easier to deploy than men. They certainly ain't perfect, but they're nice for the balance sheet!

[Iok]

Is it a laser arm? I thought at first it was a drill. Maybe it's a sonic weapon...!

[homer_sapien]

I like the idea of a Jungle BAT, but I've given them to Joe because the camo makes more sense hanging with a Joe unit as a reprogrammed BAT rather than something Cobra would do. As a figure, Hasbro half-assed this the entire way.

I'm planning it as a lone captured BAT the Joes reprogrammed just so I'll limit myself to one, unlike the 25th BAT which I have way too many of.

[Iok]

I'm planning it as a lone captured BAT the Joes reprogrammed just so I'll limit myself to one, unlike the 25th BAT which I have way too many of.

And you could call him Roy, in honour of Roy BATty.

[Jmacq1]

I really like this figure. It's a nice addition to my Cobra Jungle Forces. I have three of them "standard" and one "battle damaged" that carries the minigun because somehow his battle damage has made him "smarter" and more than a little psychotic (Hey, it's G.I. Joe).

I wouldn't mind having a few more, because I figure another great role for the Jungle BAT is (with the addition of some special-purpose programming) operating the Jungle Terror guns. They can man their post 24/7 without food, water, or complaining about bugbites, their attention doesn't waver and they don't fall asleep on duty.

Also, someone in another thread mentioned setting up the Jungle Bats as "booby traps" sitting around in a semi-dormant mode until motion/visual sensors (or a tripwire or whatever) detect someone moving by, causing them to activate and attack.

[Iok]

Yeah, they remind me of the robot from Hardware, especially the battle-damaged one.

[homer_sapien]

And you could call him Roy, in honour of Roy BATty.

Can't. He's already going to be named Bruce.

[Iok]

Can't. He's already going to be named Bruce.

Ha! (Mine was better though... ;) )

[NCR_Ranger92]

Cant wait to get my hands on this guy. I odered him and the rest of wave 6. I want at least 5 and if I have the money and I can find more i'll get them. Same with my steel brigades and cobra troopers.

[Iok]

It's definitely been a good couple of waves for the Army Builders!

[jestermon]

I dunno what's the problem here?.

It's not like this is Blowtorch

The wrists are neat but the bat would have looked odd with the big ball jointed wrists, and on some figures the joint looks out of place.

The only thing that could make this better is this(shameless plug)

http://www.hisstank.com/forum/g-i-joe-customs-finished-projects/123191-upgraded-jungle-bat.html

And I have 1 of my 3 with double claws and one with machete and fire arm.

The hand is the biggest problem I had to heat an form all my BATS left hands.

Sneaky bats falling out of trees or sleeper bats powering up all around you under ground cover wouldn't be so good for you.

[Iok]

Funnily enough, I thought about some kind of arm upgrade just like that! Awesome work.

[Cdt Weasel]

It's a decent figure. I just wish they would have included a fixed chestplate as they did with the damaged bat in the DOCI packs. I'm not sure if the HoH Bat came with both or not as I haven't opened mine.

[Iok]

It's a decent figure. I just wish they would have included a fixed chestplate as they did with the damaged bat in the DOCI packs. I'm not sure if the HoH Bat came with both or not as I haven't opened mine.

Yeah, that would've been good for multiple BAT displays.

[rsg]

Nice review. This is my first ME BAT, he's pretty cool when all is said and done. I personally don't mind that it's a repaint as I wasn't around to purchase any of the others. I can't see myself going into to full on army build mode with it but it'd be cool to have 2 or 3.

Finding out that the 'fixed' chest piece isn't included is disappointing. I thought I didn't get one due to QC issues since it looked to me like there was a place in the blister for it(under the mini-gun).

Regarding the backpack pegs, the one for the arms is okay if just a tad bit too long but the mini-gun pack has a peg that seems almost 3x the normal length. I thought that was a QC issue too.

At least it doesn't seem to be as pointless a repaint as Croc Master and Blowtorch(Variants aside).