Here is a thread for all you guys that say "this movie is going to suck". Talk about all your problems with the film here and maybe they won't creep into every other thread? Just an idea. . .

Hey, I heard they just finished filming recently..But the movie doesn't come out for another 14 more months..That's a lot of editing and special effects that are going into the movie..That's promising if you ask me..
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Hey, I heard they just finished filming recently..But the movie doesn't come out for another 14 more months..That's a lot of editing and special effects that are going into the movie..That's promising if you ask me..
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Specila effects ain't everything. I'm more worried about the cast

Specila effects ain't everything. I'm more worried about the cast

No, they are not, that's true, but it adds a lot to the atmosphere..Can you imagine, Transformers, Terminator or Jurassic Park without special effects?
Other than Tatum as Duke, I like the other choices..
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well so far every cast member i've heard (Ray park and Chris Eccleston the only two i agree with) SUX. The stories, origins and nationalities of the characters suck and the cast suck as so far as to everything i've seen and read and i have decided that i will not see this movie in theaters ever period. I'll wait till its on sci-fi channel 6 months after its in and out of theaters. Another classic property down the porcelin Swimming pool.

well so far every cast member i've heard (Ray park and Chris Eccleston the only two i agree with) SUX. The stories, origins and nationalities of the characters suck and the cast suck as so far as to everything i've seen and read and i have decided that i will not see this movie in theaters ever period. I'll wait till its on sci-fi channel 6 months after its in and out of theaters. Another classic property down the porcelin Swimming pool.

Maybe we need to start a thread about this:
Who would YOU have picked for the characters in the movie..Pick your joes and cobras and who YOU would like to see in those roles..
Should be interesting..
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I'll Judge the movie when it comes out, Because I'm not psychic, or mebbe I should call Ms. Cleo and get it over with. LoL

well psychic or psychotic (either one) everything that i have seen so far for this film has me leaning towards the Suckiness category. As far as who i'd cast, i'd leave Ray Park alone, maybe put gerrard butler inplace of Chris eccleston if for no other reasons eccleston just seems a wee bit skinny. Zartan would have been Cole Hauser and i would put jake busey in the Role of Buzzer just cause that seems perfect for him. I know that i would defintely NEVER have cast marlon wayans in the film. Maybe Shawn Wayans as stalker, just cause Shawn doesnt look like skinny pot head. as far as other joes and cobras not too sure yet. I'll think about it and get back to ya :> (though ya gotta admit jake busey as buzzer seems real fitting dont it?)

I'll Judge the movie when it comes out, Because I'm not psychic, or mebbe I should call Ms. Cleo and get it over with. LoL

ha you get a hold of ms. cleo for me too, i want to see if it will be worth the money. or i may just walk out of the movie and ask for my money back.

I will never understand these internet movie bashers. So many people love to jump on this trashing movie bandwagon. You know what, if you think it looks stupid after seeing a couple of still shots inbetween takes with no effects and still a year away then that is your lose. I think the casting needs to be given a chance to see and hear them in a trailer or two. you look at the lord of the rings cast. Many people were saying nooo!! and they all played out perfect. Now this is no LOTR of course so they don't even need to be that caliber. I will wait to see the trailer first before saying anything whether good or bad about this movie. The costumes right now semm a little too black but it might still work. X-men did. If the cobra ranks turn out awesome( such as cobra commander, vipers,etc..) then it will be even better. I'm just saying be a little optimistic and wait a bit that is all.

What can be said here that already hasn't been? I understand what your trying to do, but its useless.

I don't really think the point of this thread makes much sense.

It's not like giving all of the people with complaints one big outlet is going to stop them from complaining in other threads. Because when a person is angry they do crazy things.

Also, wouldn't calling Miss Cleo cost more than the ticket to see the movie? Also isn't she in jail? Also, isn't her accent incredibly fake?

I don't really think the point of this thread makes much sense.

It's not like giving all of the people with complaints one big outlet is going to stop them from complaining in other threads. Because when a person is angry they do crazy things.

Also, wouldn't calling Miss Cleo cost more than the ticket to see the movie? Also isn't she in jail? Also, isn't her accent incredibly fake?

I called Miss Cleo once, and someone picked up claiming to have big thingies.....*Whoops wrong number*

Wow, now the pro-Paramount do anything to G.I.Joe History posters on this forum created a thread to tell us what to write and where. What's next internment camps. I'll express my opinion on which thread I please, thank you.

Wow, now the pro-Paramount do anything to G.I.Joe History posters on this forum created a thread to tell us what to write and where. What's next internment camps. I'll express my opinion on which thread I please, thank you.

You do realize this thread was made by one person and not officially by the site or even by the pro-Paramounties, right?

You still have full rights to express your opinion wherever you wish, whether it be in a thread or at a funeral.

You do realize this thread was made by one person and not officially by the site or even by the pro-Paramounties, right?

You still have full rights to express your opinion wherever you wish, whether it be in a thread or at a funeral.

You should talk , in an earlier post in this thread you basically call people who don't like the direction of the movie, angry and capable of doing crazy things.

I will never understand these internet movie bashers. So many people love to jump on this trashing movie bandwagon. You know what, if you think it looks stupid after seeing a couple of still shots inbetween takes with no effects and still a year away then that is your lose. I think the casting needs to be given a chance to see and hear them in a trailer or two. you look at the lord of the rings cast. Many people were saying nooo!! and they all played out perfect. Now this is no LOTR of course so they don't even need to be that caliber. I will wait to see the trailer first before saying anything whether good or bad about this movie. The costumes right now semm a little too black but it might still work. X-men did. If the cobra ranks turn out awesome( such as cobra commander, vipers,etc..) then it will be even better. I'm just saying be a little optimistic and wait a bit that is all.

I agree 100%..
I would have prefered some things to be different, but that's pretty much the case with all movies for me..I'm going to reserve judgement and criticism until after I see it...Who know's maybe it will suck and folks have their right to bash it..
But there is still a year to go with special effects, editing and probably more filming/touchups..I'm like you, I'm going to be optimistic and wait to see it before I pass judgement...
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You should talk , in an earlier post in this thread you basically call people who don't like the direction of the movie, angry and capable of doing crazy things.

I said angry people do crazy things, and some people who are passionate about what they believe in can get angry.

Now can you start getting your facts straight before jumping to assumptions and attacking one of the people that are sticking up for you?

I think the movie is going to be bad. The actors, the costumes...
I think most of the characters look bad, except snake eyes and maybe heavy duty.

Are we talking Terminator 1, or the rest of them?

A live action GI.joe movie shouldn't need CGI. No war movie dose if you ask me.


I know they are going the sci-fi route, but I wish the Joes woulden't wear any thing you can't get at an Army/Navy store.

I'd like to see blood, and guts.
I'd like to hear " Duke, Duke I can't feel my legs!! DEAR GOD I CAN'T FEEL MY LEGS!!!!"

Duke replies: " Cus' they ain't there no more Lanzo."

Well, the first one did have special effects..CGI really wasn't much when T1 hit the big screen, but the rest have had CGI and special effects..
As for someone screaming blood and guts, who said that wasn't happening? From what I have seen, it looks like the baroness gets bashed up pretty good in the film and if what I hear is correct, one of the joes DOES get it in the film, so who knows?
Also, remember it is rated pg-13..Hasbro is remaking the GI JOE name and so they want to appeal to ALL age groups, especially the young boys (and girls) of today, not just the old fans of yesterday..
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Exactly Sab. There are those who are passionate about the properties they grew up with and love and then there are those who just want to complain about everything. I suppose i fall into the first category as i was originally all for a live action gi joe movie and was jonesing about it until i saw eveyrthing i have been seeing and read all that i have. Now i will admit the TF movie was watchable but im sorry it'll never hold a candle to the original one :> However it seems as of late every property being made into film, Resident Evil and Gi Joe to name two...are being bastardized to the point they are not even the same entity anymore. Resident evil might have been more acceptable if it had never been called resident evil and not tried to be a part of that universe. I feel the same for the Joe movie. Perhaps it may be a big hit i wont deny that but i will not consider it to be GI Joe there are just too many unforgivable changes to make me think otherwise at this point.

wait a joe dies? OH PLEASE be Ripcord who eats it. Oh please :>

They're going the Sci Fi route AND going international, so that gives them a pass not to be limited to US military uniforms, equipment and weaponry. Power Suits + Ranger training = Power Rangers. Yaaay

I do like that when they're geared up they have a unifying team look to them - sorta like how most of the original 1982 team of 13Joes were green shirts. I'm 85% happy with the casting choices; I'm sure Eccleston will do fine as Destro, I'd just always envisioned a more athletic actor. Karl Urban or as mentioned earlier, Gerard Butler would've been my picks.

now Karl Urban woulda been a much better duke than that reject from a power rangers casting call Channing Tatum.

now Karl Urban woulda been a much better duke than that reject from a power rangers casting call Channing Tatum.

I'd choose this guy. Simon Baker

A live action GI.joe movie shouldn't need CGI. No war movie dose if you ask me.


Saving Private Ryan proved CGI can be used to outstanding effect in a war movie.

Great thread. Throws all the apples in one basket. I just don't get how some can hate a movie that they haven't seen a trailer for much less the movie itself. Fun to read.

And this chick for the Baroness

Asia Argento

And this Dude for Flint

Justin Theroux

I'd choose this guy. Simon Baker

Not a bad choice for Duke. Even though I don't mind Channing.I just want him to be true to the Duke we know..the all American boy and tough as nails attitude.

And this Dude for Flint

Justin Theroux

That guy has Flint written all over him.

Saving Private Ryan proved CGI can be used to outstanding effect in a war movie.

Great thread. Throws all the apples in one basket. I just don't get how some can hate a movie that they haven't seen a trailer for much less the movie itself. Fun to read.

Like there haven't been rumors,script leaks,press releases,interviews or photos of the movie to go on.

Oh and how can someone say this movie is gonna rock without seeing it? Which i have no problem when people say it because it's their OPINION.

And her for Lady Jaye

Is that Hooded Cobra Commander in that pic? :)

Simon baker i think would be more suited to say...Lifeline or even Red Star Maybe? not a bad choice though i just think that karl Urban would a be a lil better just cause hes got that more imma gonna kick your teeth down your throat attitude.

Like there haven't been rumors,script leaks,press releases,interviews or photos of the movie to go on.

Oh and how can someone say this movie is gonna rock without seeing it? Which i have no problem when people say it because it's their OPINION.

I didn't say it was going to rock, I guess someone else did, I don't know. I'm waiting to see the finished film before i decide one way or the other. I have no problem (are you alluding that I do?) with those who hate what they have not seen, I just don't understand that line of thinking. Opinions are great and we are each entitled to them.

I didn't say it was going to rock, I guess someone else did, I don't know. I'm waiting to see the finished film before i decide one way or the other. I have no problem (are you alluding that I do?) with those who hate what they have not seen, I just don't understand that line of thinking. Opinions are great and we are each entitled to them.

Sorry I didn't mean to sound like you said it was going to rock.
What I was trying to say was that you seem to complain about the people who think some or all aspects of the movie will be bad by saying that they haven't seen the movie yet.Meanwhile people who say that movie's going to rock get no such criticism.They haven't seen it. How do they know it's gonna rock?

It may suck but we still going to the theaters to see it.

well i know myself and least 10 other people who arent going to see it cause of how bad everything seems. Why waste money on a movie that will presumputally bomb worse than Super Mario Brothers when there will be better films out that year.

Im still seeing it. Low expectations for me but I'm there.

My big problem with this movie is (according to rumors) the total disregard to the history of the characters involved. I mean a british Hawk? An orphan French Snake-Eyes? Australian Scarlett? Korean Storm Shadow? Marlon Wayans for Ripcord(why not Stalker?)
It's just a slap in the face to American fans of the franchise.

I'll still go see it once.But if it's anything like the rumored changes to the characters then it'll be only once instead of the 4 or 5 times I would go if they had kept this A Real American Hero.
I'll also buy the special dvd version just to see all the extra features about the Real American Hero that they claim this movie is based on.

True :)


Because this is a thread where venting is allowed I'm gonna bite my toung.
I'll just say this, Have you ever even been to another country?

I lived in Europe for 7 years and served in the Army of the country I was living in.I have dual citizenship.

i'll wait for someone to put it on the net before i EVER pay to see this crap bag in theaters.

What the hell are you on about?

Hello, they usually have the movie on dvd six months after they release it in the theatre.They have one version that's basically just the movie and then have another dvd set that has extras like behind the scenes,interviews,etc....

I just don't get how some can hate a movie that they haven't seen a trailer for much less the movie itself. Fun to read.

Exactly! Which is why I'll be seeing this in theathers! and be the judge of the movie when its all said and done! It's 50/50
any joe fan should watch this movie simply because its a GI joe movie. something I been waiting for since the Live action GI joe commercials back in the mid 90's.

American ranting?

The first Terminator had "special effects" not CGI.
Special effects are what Tow Savini dose.
CGI is what George Lucas dose

IMO Tom Savini= Rad , and Geogrge Lucas= Crap (even the old Star Wars if you ask me)

"for someone screaming blood and guts, who said that wasn't happening?" PG-13 says thats not happening.

"Also, remember it is rated pg-13..Hasbro is remaking the GI JOE name and so they want to appeal to ALL age groups, especially the young boys (and girls) of today, not just the old fans of yesterday.."

What about all the R rated movies we loved as kids? Rambo (toy line/cartoon), Commando (toys), Robo Cop (toy line/cartoon), Predator (toys), Alien (toys), Nightmare on Elm st (toys), Terminator(toys)

So what's so bad about CGI..If you don't like the actors or the costumes this is what might make you like the movie?
It is indeed pg-13, but look at the pictures of baroness banged up after her chase..And yes, there are going to be several deaths in the movie..probably not like your wanting like nightmare on elm street or predator, but then again this isn't either of those movies.
You might want to talk to the movie studios who did those movies about doing some remakes if your dry on seeing blood and guts..
I think the movie might surprise you...
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Delta those are not bad choices..who knows maybe there were others picked and offered the roles and they declined?
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Yes American ranting, Thats the one thing I'm really bummed about when people complain about the movie. Sorry dude were not gonna see eye to eye on this one.

It's not American ranting.It's about getting the characters right.If Big Ben was an American in this movie then I would say that's wrong cause he's british.If Wolverine was American in the X-Men movies then I would say what the f*ck. If i was a big fan of the Harry Potter books and he was American in the movies I would be just as pissed off as Snake-Eyes being a French orphan.If you like movies that screw up a character's origin then by all means have fun watching it.

It's not American ranting.It's about getting the characters right.If Big Ben was an American in this movie then I would say that's wrong cause he's british.If Wolverine was American in the X-Men movies then I would say what the f*ck. If i was a big fan of the Harry Potter books and he was American in the movies I would be just as pissed off as Snake-Eyes being a French orphan.If you like movies that screw up a character's origin then by all means have fun watching it.
Sorry dude I'm just sick of this argument. Right wing news papers have been reporting that GI.Joe was all based on a WWII soldier named Mitchell Paige. Which I don't have to tell you is a compleet lie. Heres a link to one of the storys http://209.85.215.104/search?q=cache:VMmg1WeYIK0J:www.lvrj.com/opinion/10849526.html+Mitchell+Paige+GI.Joe&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us
It's just stupid the things people will say just to proove a point.

I personaly don't give a rats arse where they are from, and I understand how hard it would be trying to sell an American Soldier toy to Japanese kids. Thats why they are doing it. That, and only that

Sorry dude I'm just sick of this argument. Right wing news papers have been reporting that GI.Joe was all based on a WWII soldier named Mitchell Paige. Which I don't have to tell you is a compleet lie. Heres a link to one of the storys http://209.85.215.104/search?q=cache:VMmg1WeYIK0J:www.lvrj.com/opinion/10849526.html+Mitchell+Paige+GI.Joe&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us
It's just stupid the things people will say just to proove a point.

I personaly don't give a rats arse where they are from, and I understand how hard it would be trying to sell an American Soldier toy to Japanese kids. Thats why they are doing it. That, and only that

Well the Japanese kid is gonna be pissed off when he finds out Stormy is Korean.
And the Iron Movie movie made big bucks overseas.Where were all the nationallity changes in that one?

Delta, I hate to see you two argue over this..And to see you put him on your ignore list..Though his thoughts differed from yours, they were still good points..If someone likes the movie, fine..if someone doesn't, fine..Don't end a conversation and perhaps a friendship on a bad note.. You and I disagree on this, but I have not put you on my ignore list and wanted to keep the conversation civil..Let's all agree to disagree and leave it at that..
Saboteur

Exactly. Discuss the differences we have but lets not start the slinging here. Hell people here have many different views from me. Sure it may irritate the living hell outta me but thats what makes this so great, the free exchange of ideas and opinions. Some people are really happy for this movie. Good for them i really hope hey enjoy it. ME im disgusted by this movie and never plan on watching but thats my opinion and my choice to do . No need to bash over it.

I Heard Tito Ortiz is playing Road Pig
and Lil wayne is gonna be DOC aka Doctor Carter
also Woody Harrelson is Buzzer
oh yea and Ben stiller is Playing Breaker and we have Pink as Zarana
Cobra Commander is Gary Busey
Tom Cruise is flint Bradt Pit Is Duke And Mark Whalberg is Hawk
Jessica Alba is Jinx

Oh and the guy from Cyborg thats was after van dam with the crazy eyes would make a good serpentor
if not him vin diesel

oh and the Father from american Choppers can be sgt slaughter
Larry david is Golobulous and Stalker is Eddie Griffin

LOL Dude thats comedy.

Weeeeeeeeeeeeell...I must say what I've seen so far does not look promising BUT I will reserve judgment 'til after I've seen the film.

I'm expecting a lot of explosions, a lot of gunfire, a lot of swordfighting done with Matrix-style cinematography, a lot of CGI, wooden acting, a tedious script and story, an even-more-tedious pseudo-romance between Duke and Scarlett, a mediocre score, and a couple of wacky surprises (Snake-Eyes has an adamantium skeleton and claws that pop out of his knuckles or something to that effect). And for some reason, I'm also expecting a lot of hip-hop music to be in it, too.

But I could be wrong. It might become a classic. And cobras might slither out of my butt.

dude where you infected by the same weasel things that were in the movie dreamcather too? lol :>

Seriously tho, If the Joe Movie must be PG-13 I think it should be a comedy. Something like all the old Joes get reinstated to fight Cobra again. Have a montage where all the old fat joes have to work off their beer bellys.

Something like Life Aquatic where they are old, and washed up. Something perverse. Like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0yucFw3qCQ&feature=related or this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbSghPrDyj0

Exactly! Which is why I'll be seeing this in theathers! and be the judge of the movie when its all said and done! It's 50/50
any joe fan should watch this movie simply because its a GI joe movie. something I been waiting for since the Live action GI joe commercials back in the mid 90's.



speaking of those commericals

why can't we get those guys to act in the move.

Man those costumes and action sequences were the best ;)


it got no better!

Hopefully they put those on the Up coming blu ray DVD's of the joe series.. coming in 2010


Woo HOO

Maybe we need to start a thread about this:
Who would YOU have picked for the characters in the movie..Pick your joes and cobras and who YOU would like to see in those roles..
Should be interesting..
Saboteur
For all i know Freddie Prince Junior couldve played a mean ass Duke! I mena he did kill it in that Scooby Doo movie...(Cough..sarcasam...cough) hehe :-D

This thread should really be called "I think this movie will suck", as "this movie will suck" sounds too much like a statement of fact as opposed to just some people's opinion (which it is).

opinions or not This movie has very little do do with anything gi joe except truly in name. Just like the horrid Resident evil movies had nothing truly to do with the games except the name

did they not realize the appeal of Duke was that he was a dude in a war who looked completely happy and was always smiling

"This movie will suck because it doesn't represent 1982! I want Cold War Era G.I.Joe, not something Modern that will make Paramount/Hasbro money!"

AOL Keyphrase = Sense of Entitlement

opinions or not This movie has very little do do with anything gi joe except truly in name.

Possibly. But why does that automatically equate to the film "sucking"?

maybe not Rage but if a movie is going to be equated to a franchise then in my opinion it should maintain what made the property and characters great. Granted snake eyes wouldn't have been in nam cause by now in movie wise he'd be like 47 or 50 right? so ya change it from nam to some kinda black ops unit and thats how he got injured saving scarlet. Just like in the punisher castles war history wasnt nam but it was desert storm. REsident evil mighta been decent movies if they were not called resident evil nor used creatures or names from that series but since they did and they did not hold true to the games the movies outright sucked in my opinion. So if gi joe would be made into said feature film minus some era wars being changed (much like the punisher) they should keep truer to the characters origins and outfits. It just seems like this movie is intent on re-surfacing sigma six and that was the worst joe cartoon ever. I'd rather watch the DIC series again than ever stomach an episode of sigma six. :>

This movie is going to suck

co-sign away brother. :>

maybe but it was an intregal part of why scarlett and snake eyes had such thing together. IM not talking like rescuing rapunzel or nothin but how he got all messed up saving scarlett from dying.

maybe but it was an intregal part of why scarlett and snake eyes had such thing together. IM not talking like rescuing rapunzel or nothin but how he got all messed up saving scarlett from dying. Was that the plot again? My memory is foggy on that one. I thought it was a Nam' thing With Storm Shadow(Tommy), and Stalker. I forgott, was SE saving scarlett?
Anyhow I understand why some things must change from the old story, but some things should remain.

TRUE FANS will boycott this movie and hold onto their "I-never-saw-the-GIJoe-movie" elitist badges until their dying day, tossing it in the face of you "casual fans" at every convention and forum that will take them... much like TF fans that "say" they didn't like that movie. What Paramount and Hasbro will do when they don't make (i don't know...$38 or so total) from said TRUE FANS that boycott the film, well... we will never know. >>kidding<< >>kidding<< :) You all have some valid points, we'll just have to wait to see the box office receipts to see what the world thinks of G.I.Joe outside our niche club. Sometimes internet and community buzz IS enough to kill a movie... look what the ruckus over Golden Compass did to it (a ruckus that managed to keep me away at least)

maybe but it was an intregal part of why scarlett and snake eyes had such thing together. IM not talking like rescuing rapunzel or nothin but how he got all messed up saving scarlett from dying.

Now there's a good example of why change doesn't mean "sucking" right there. Snake Eyes and Scarlet didn't have anything in the cartoon yet it's still considered valid GI JOE and I for one find it very enjoyable. It's totally different to the comic in both tone and execution, yet I'm able to enjoy both side by side.

That's how I'll be approaching the move and why I don't think it'll 'suck'.

well Rage i just feel that too many changes to the movie have essentially made this movie gi joe in name and character name only. I do hope you enjoy the film when it does come out though. Who knows maybe it'll be huge or maybe it'll sink faster than the titanic. All i know is that it seems damn near every franchise based on something has been sucking as of late(ie Resident Evil Super Mario Brothers, mortal Kombat Street Fighter and while i enjoyed Transformers to a degree it still was not what i was hoping for) and i feel that the joe movie will be a humongus let down.

Well, if I was in charge, if I had the money and if they agreed, this would be my joe team with the following actors playing them:
G I JOE
1. Duke--Kurt Russell
2. Flint--Bruce Campell
3. Lady Jaye--Catherine Bell
4. Mutt--Tom Selleck
5. Dial Tone--Justin Bartha
6. Roadblock--Michael Clarke Duncan
7. Shipwreck--Charlie Sheen
8. Covergirl--Charlize Theron
9. Spirit--Wes Studi
10. Hawk--Harrison Ford
11. Lowlight--Karl Urban
12. Snake Eyes--Jason Statham
13. Bazooka--Dale Midkiff

COBRA
1. Cobra Commander--Gary Oldman
2. Destro--Alan Rickman
3. Baroness--Famke Janssen
4. Storm Shadow--Jet Li
5. Firefly--Viggo Mortensen
6. Scrap Iron--Willem Dafoe
7. Major Bludd--any suggestions?
8. Zartan--They guy who they already cast (don't know his name)

Well, that's my list and who I would use anyway..I understand no one will agree with me..
Saboteur

12. Snake Eyes--Jean Claude Van Damme

7. Major Bludd--Tommy Lee Jones


UGGG!!!!!

Well, if I was in charge, if I had the money and if they agreed, this would be my joe team with the following actors playing them:
>>edited<<
Well, that's my list and who I would use anyway..I understand no one will agree with me..
Saboteur


would these be the actors as they are now or as you remember them from the 80's.? Tom Selleck as Mutt? or Magnum P.I. as Mutt?
Viggo would be cool as hell as Firefly though.

general hawk -dennis quaid.

This man looks like a stuffed sausage in uniform from the pics I've seen.
He looks more suited to be on a box of hamburger helper rather than leading an elite squad of commandos.

Really?
Not not really...How about Jason Statham?
Saboteur

UGGG!!!!!
He was a hard one to choose..any ideas?
Saboteur

would these be the actors as they are now or as you remember them from the 80's.? Tom Selleck as Mutt? or Magnum P.I. as Mutt?
Viggo would be cool as hell as Firefly though.

Well, both I guess...It's really a fantasy list anyway..I think Selleck who is doing a Magnum remake could just walk around with a big rotty on a leash and fire a mac-11 fairly easy..Saboteur

Can I just add that this movie looks like it should be a DIRECT TO VIDEO release. Also, once it's finally (but unjustly) in theaters I'm guessing that all of us hardcore Joe fans will be embarrassed & mortified at the final product (I for one already am...)

I'm sorry, when did you get to set the standard for "hardcore Joe fans"? I for one am looking forward to seeing this moving, especially before I start making ridiculous comments on how it will suck. I also consider myself a "hardcore Joe fan". Geez, the freakin' "stones" on some people.

Geez, the freakin' "stones" on some people.
Keith Richards? :)

Van Damme is prob too old to do any of the fancy stunts and martial arts, but who knows Norris is still sometimes doing his thing..I remembered Statham and thought he would be much better fit for the movie..
Saboteur

Norris is still sometimes doing his thing On the Total Gym haha!!

Isn't he still doing commercial and giving lessons?
Saboteur

Isn't he still doing commercial and giving lessons?
Saboteur
Hope so!

I just wish the producers of this movie would just stick to what they said in interviews like this one from Hasbro CEO and and joe movie producer Brian Goldner:

But what about the movie's spirit? Should fans expect to see a live-action version of the cartoon, an update on the Marvel comics, or something else entirely? According to Goldner, Sommers and crew want to take filmgoers back a couple of decades:

"Steve Sommers is very different. But he's perfect, because if you think about his movies like 'The Mummy,' it's the perfect action/adventure movie. If you think about what we're trying to do for G.I. Joe, really bringing back that '80s G.I. Joe from the Marvel comics -- those first 155 issues are really our focus. If you think about that, you'll understand what we're trying to get at with all those characters and all the intricate relationships. I don't think you'd see this movie as wacky. I think you're going to see this movie as being inspirational for younger kids and totally in the sweet spot for the guys who grew up on G.I. Joe."

The rumors and other details sound nothing like what Goldner said in the piece.
French orphan Snake-Eyes? I must have missed that issue.Oh wait, I think I remember the issue.I think I remember the title: "G.I.Joe surrenders to PC-ism"

I'm still seeing the movie..Just one irk I had about it was a few of the characters..I think it may have been because of trademark rights or mebbe not..Heavy Duty I wish was Roadblock and Ripcord I wish was Stalker..It's peculiar they mention "80's joes" when Heavy Duty wasn't released until the 90's...
Saboteur

Lifetime Movie Network should have done the Joe movie. In the first ten minutes, COBRA is defeated and COBRA Commander, Destro, Storm Shadow, Zartan, etc. are all killed but the Baroness escapes and swears revenge on the woman who put an arrow in her lover's eye, Scarlett!

Since COBRA is no more, the Joes go back to living normal lives and Scarlett is pursued by Duke but she is in love with Snake-Eyes BUT her family pressures her to be with Duke for whom she has some feelings but her overbearing mother is like "Shana, do you want to spend the rest of your days living like a pioneer in a log cabin with a mute combination of Bruce Lee and Freddy Krueger or do you want to live like a queen with the blonde-haired blue-eyed all-American (not to mention his family is LOADED) boy that all we women dream about!?"

Scarlett goes out with her girlfriends Lady J, Cover Girl, and Jinx and they talk about their love lives and Lady J and Flint are getting married and Scarlett is going to be the maid of honor. Meanwhile, the Baroness in disguise takes a job as a nanny for Scarlett's little brother and ingratiates herself to Scarlett's family.

Duke takes Scarlett out on the town and shows her an expensive good time and Snake-Eyes takes her out camping and fishing in the mountains where she can get her fingernails dirty as she struggles to make her decision.

Flint and Lady J are married in a fancy ceremony with all the Joes attending. The disguised Baroness makes her move at the reception and poisons the punch. Lady J drinks it first and falls out but spills the punchbowl so no one else drinks it. Lady J is in a coma and Flint falls apart emotionally.

The Baroness goes crazy and takes Scarlett's mom and little brother hostage in their house. Scarlett comes home and is confronted by the Baroness. Scarlett and the Baroness fight and while they are struggling the gun gets caught between them and goes off and guess what...the Baroness is shot and killed!

Scarlett realizes she is truly in love with Snake-Eyes and tells Duke that though any woman would be lucky to have him, her heart belongs to someone else. She goes to Snake-Eyes in his cabin and tells him she loves him. At first he pushes her away because he has low self-esteem because of his burns and can't believe she could be attracted to him, but Scarlett takes off his mask and kisses him and shows him just how much his burns don't matter to her.

At the hospital, Lady J comes out of her coma and she and Flint have a tearful reunion joined by Scarlett and Snake-Eyes. And Cover Girl has made her move on Duke who has now found the love of HIS life, so they all live happily ever after.

Filmed on location entirely in CANADA!

I've said it in other palces and I'll say it here. I'm waiting for the trailer before I cry "suck".

I have to say, though, as much as I like an international feel, I don't think placing the Joe's base on foreign soil, or screwing with their nationalities (especially since they were already a pretty decent melting pot of colors and accents to begin with) is being very faithful to the comic or cartoon.

Well, I cry "things Suck" but I have hope for all things GI Joe

What really bothers me about the way this movie is headed is the total surrender by the people making this movie to PC-ism or liberalism or whatever the hell is going on.Why can't they make a movie about characters who's origins are American, who are heroic and stick with it.Are they embarrassed by the American soldier beating evil.Why should they care about people who hate America overseas anyway...f*ck them if they don't like an American Snake-Eyes.
I wouldn't mind international agents on the team,but don't mess around with established and iconic Joe characters like SE,Hawk and Scarlett.

What really bothers me about the way this movie is headed is the total surrender by the people making this movie to PC-ism or liberalism or whatever the hell is going on.Why can't they make a movie about characters who's origins are American, who are heroic and stick with it.Are they embarrassed by the American soldier beating evil.Why should they care about people who hate America overseas anyway...f*ck them if they don't like an American Snake-Eyes.
I wouldn't mind international agents on the team,but don't mess around with established and iconic Joe characters like SE,Hawk and Scarlett.

They think they're going to make more money de-Americanizing the characters because they think it will help the film perform better in international markets. I think this strategy is going to fail miserably, because Americans won't like the movie for that very reason but international audiences won't like it either because no matter how de-Americanized it is, they will still associate GIJOE with us. Everybody will be disgusted with it. We may have one of the biggest bombs in cinema history.

If you ask me, a great film could be made from the original source material in the Marvel comics as written by Larry Hama. Hama's stories could hardly be called flag-waving American propaganda. Hell, the Joes were always getting screwed by their own government. The dark side of American politics and business was often a major plot element. And the American general public was not given a flattering portrayal either. The comics had their patriotic moments but it was definitely just as human a story as it was an American story. Anybody could relate to the Joes in Hama's stories...in any country.

De-Americanizing GIJOE makes about as much sense as de-Britishing Harry Potter.

oh i can and will look away. This movie is just goawd aful. I think i'd rather watch bridges of madison county 2 then this schlock :>

I love how everybody has their own individual reasons as to why this movie is going to suck.

And that's why EVERYONE being happy will never happen..This has nothing to do with everyone disliking this movie..But think about it..Everyone has their favorites and dislikes in the joeverse, from characters, to storylines, deaths, etc.
So, something I might like and if I was directing the film, I would put it in the film, but someone else might not like it and so it would be an unfavorable scene in the movie..and vice versa
It happens with all movies..
I mean, I dislike Cobra Commander and Zartan..I really wouldn't want to put them in a movie..But I would feel obligated because their popular with so many people and vital to the storyline.
Some might feel the same way and wouldn't care..Others would be seething with anger..
When X-men 3 came out, I was thrilled that Beast and Colossus were going to be in it..But many, many people were mad because Gambit was not..
I wish breaker in this film was Dial-Tone..So either way you do it, some will be happy and some wont.
It's like when Hasbro made the 25th Major Bludd..His arm doesn't move..Some liked it because it was a salute to the original figure and others hated it..Hasbro said, we knew either way people were not going to be happy about it..
So, all we can do is cross our fingers and hope that the director, in this case, steven sommers likes some of the things that we do in the joeverse and it will grace the big screen..But some have already decided they are unhappy about it and I completely understand that..
The trick is to become a director and direct your own g i joe film..That is the only way you can be sure the film is going to be 100% to your liking and satisfaction!
I'm still holding out hope..
Saboteur

We have a big budget Joe movie in the works that has the potential to deliver amazing action, spectacle and excitement regardless of what's changed, yet this is one of the most active threads in the movie forum....

Well, what a great message to send to people about 80's toy fans in general. And 'we' dared to sneer at that fan who dressed up as Bazooka....

And that's why EVERYONE being happy will never happen..

A few months ago some one made this live action Transformers short called 'They were always real to me'. heres a link to it http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZSl4yXhTjqc

When Transformers fans saw it they all unanimously agreed it was great, and it is IMO.

I think the fanboy crowd is actually very easily pleased.
I mean were all in our 20's and 30's now, and we are all still happy with little plastic army men.

We have a big budget Joe movie in the works that has the potential to deliver amazing action, spectacle and excitement regardless of what's changed, yet this is one of the most active threads in the movie forum....

Well, what a great message to send to people about 80's toy fans in general. And 'we' dared to sneer at that fan who dressed up as Bazooka....

Like I said, there are things that I would like to see changed. Who but some really wouldn't? It's that way with every movie. But I'm not screaming bloody murder and banning the movie..
I am actually looking forward to it.
If people want to not see it, that's fine with me..it's their choice and more power to them..
But personally, I am okay with everything and can't wait to see it..Been a long time in the making..
Saboteur

Honestly, if you liked X-Men 3 you will probably love the new GI Joe movie. The majority of longtime X-Men fans HATED X-Men 3. Why? Because director Brett Ratner came in & shitted all over everything Brian Singer had previously done. Ratner replaced the heart and emotion (and character development) of the previous X-Men films with more action and explosions. It was disposable entertainment, strictly a popcorn flick with no passion at all. And Ratner is the same type/style of director Stephen Sommers is.


I was a longtime x-men fan, reading the comics for over 20 years..I understand what your saying about Ratner and I agree...
I simply liked it because my two favorite characters Beast and Colossus were finally put into the film..
Yes, I figured the new movie would be a mixture of Transformers, Xmen, Iron Man...
Saboteur

A lot of "long time" X-Men fans were moaning about the first movie until they actually saw it.

What that the movie I've been looking forward to nearly my whole life is getting screwd up? I'd like to send the message that they need to get things right.

This is a positive thread IMO, Nice to vent without being ridiculed about it.

We don't know it's being "screwed up" do we? That's the whole flippin' point!!
Things are being changed, but why does that automatically mean "screwed up"?

AVENGERS... stuck to the source but was still crap (IMO).
DAREDEVIL... stuck to the source but was still crap (IMO).
X-MEN... stuff changed and was great (IMO).
TRANSFORMERS... stuff changed and was still great (IMO.. I know you disagree on that one!)

Ohhhhh never mind. I won't change your mind and you definately won't make me change mine.

i thought x men 3 stunk. it was barely watcheable to me. same with spiderman 3, that really blew.

i thought x men 3 stunk. it was barely watcheable to me. same with spiderman 3, that really blew.

I happen to agree, but why were they crap?

I'd hardly say it was due to the 'changes' made, as both were still following the templates set out by the previous (well received) films in their respective franchises. X-MEN 3 was as different from the comic source as X-MEN and X-MEN 2 were, yet those earlier films were both good films.
X-MEN 3 was crap no matter what. With the vast majority of the audience, GI JOE will stand on it's own merits as a movie and not how it measures up to it's 25 year old source material.

xmen 3 had some cool parts, but i thought the action was very hard to follow and a little bit jumbled. I thought it was very rushed at points.

SM3 was just pathetic to me. The whole emo parker thing really bothered me. This movie was ruined from the lack of character development. I think it was too much story for one movie. .

I happen to agree, but why were they crap?

I'd hardly say it was due to the 'changes' made, as both were still following the templates set out by the previous (well received) films in their respective franchises. X-MEN 3 was as different from the comic source as X-MEN and X-MEN 2 were, yet those earlier films were both good films.
X-MEN 3 was crap no matter what. With the vast majority of the audience, GI JOE will stand on it's own merits as a movie and not how it measures up to it's 25 year old source material.

I do not think the changes were very drastic in either of them. It was just bad writing and directing imo.

I think the gi joe movie looks rushed too. the costumes do not look well made. Esp. the camo. In modern times do you think a highly secret terrorist fighting org. would wear gi joes camo pajamas? lol I hope the movie suprises me, but i think it looks kind of weak.

I was a longtime x-men fan, reading the comics for over 20 years..I understand what your saying about Ratner and I agree...
I simply liked it because my two favorite characters Beast and Colossus were finally put into the film..
Yes, I figured the new movie would be a mixture of Transformers, Xmen, Iron Man...
Saboteur

Colossus was in the second X-men movie and he probably had more actual lines and character development than that shitty X-men 3 where he didn't do jack crap at all. And practically disappeared from the final battle.

I don't think the Baroness looks right. She needs to look more European, more exotic. The actress they got just looks like a regular old white girl like Megan Fox from Transformers. I think Roselyn Sanchez would make a better & much HOTTER Baroness. That's just my opinion.

I talked to a friend that works at Hasbro and he told me their suits they wear allow them to jump like 20-30 feet in the air and run at like 60mph... They are special bionic siuts kinda...

I don't think the Baroness looks right. She needs to look more European, more exotic. The actress they got just looks like a regular old white girl like Megan Fox from Transformers. I think Roselyn Sanchez would make a better & much HOTTER Baroness. That's just my opinion.

Love to see Roselyn that would be GREAT!!!!

I don't think the Baroness looks right. She needs to look more European, more exotic. The actress they got just looks like a regular old white girl like Megan Fox from Transformers. I think Roselyn Sanchez would make a better & much HOTTER Baroness. That's just my opinion.


Roselyn is way hot and would be perfect for the look, but her deep latin accent really gets in the way. Still I would rather her do the part then miller.

Colossus was in the second X-men movie and he probably had more actual lines and character development than that shitty X-men 3 where he didn't do jack crap at all. And practically disappeared from the final battle.

Yes, he was..just one big difference..he didn't metal up in that one..the only let down for me in x-3 was that he didn't go toe to toe with Juggernaut..
Saboteur

xmen 3 had some cool parts, but i thought the action was very hard to follow and a little bit jumbled. I thought it was very rushed at points.

SM3 was just pathetic to me. The whole emo parker thing really bothered me. This movie was ruined from the lack of character development. I think it was too much story for one movie. .

Dude! Emo Parker was funny as hell! I agree that the origin of the black costume and Venom shouldn't be in the same movie, but so many fans want Venom as soon as possible.

Yes, he was..just one big difference..he didn't metal up in that one..the only let down for me in x-3 was that he didn't go toe to toe with Juggernaut..
Saboteur

Pretty sure he did didn't he? When he had to open the hidden door thing and when the soldiers shot the tranqs at him. I could be wrong, it's been a while since I saw the movie.

As for GI Joe sucking. I'm reserving judgement till I see a trailer and then I'll have to reserve some more till I see it. I was all about hating how the Bot in Transformers looked but I wound up liking it (Although I did like the scenes with the Army guys better than the bots scenes :) )

X-3 was crap for many reasons but the majority being that singer wasnt the director and they tried to cram too many plots and characters in the same movie in only one hour and 30 minutes. Spidey 3 was a bit more watchable (yeah emo park was kind goofy but funny) but the biggest problems with it were too many plots and the new goblin looked like a frackin ninja on a hoverboard. what the frack? I will say sandman was pretty much the best thing about that film abosolutely flawless casting on that part and he looked perfect too. now as for the joe movie many of the complaints are valid and some are just people ranting, which are also valid. My personal thinkis while sommers makes enjoyable films(ie the mummy films and while it was horridly inaccurate i liked van helsing) hes not the right kind director for this project, there have been wwwaaayyyyy to many change to the origins,the look and casts for the characters( marlon wayans and sienna "i complain about having to wear fake boobs" miller, and channing "I couldnt make the cut for a power rangers episode" tatum as duke) and the over all look and feel of this movie just doesnt make me feel its gi joe. more rather this is just a slaptogether cookie cutter action film that has familiar characters names and title thrown on it in an effort to milk it for all its monitary worth then forget about and move on to the next thing. I mean when we were all growing up as kids things stuck around, like transformers and gi joe and even ninja turtles. now we're lucky if a franchise lasts more than a year for any cartoon or media property. So in closing this time i say let those who wish to see it see and those who dont dont. I know i will be one of those who dont and for my own reasons. Others may be more accepting to these changes and willing to go with them and if i am labeled a fanboy because of my unwillingness to lay back and accept these changes to a property that once was great and had the potential to be so again but isnt due to entertainment short sightedness then so be it.

Once we all se the trailer, then we'll see. I remember X-3 having a good trailer though and that movie albeit a money maker was a slap in the face to the fans, especially after X2 was good.

Dude! Emo Parker was funny as hell! I agree that the origin of the black costume and Venom shouldn't be in the same movie, but so many fans want Venom as soon as possible.


I think by SM3 i just lost my patience with the cast. I never liked Dunst as MJ. So by 3 i just couldnt stand to look at her. And tobey was ok as Spidey in 1 & 2 . 3 felt different and i cannot put my finger on it. It was a very forgetable movie IMO.

I got eye balls, they work too.
So yes I do know it's being screwd up.

Your eyes gather the data while your brain interprets it based on your own preconceptions of what GI JOE must be.

But okay, I give up. It'll 'suck' if that makes you happy.
I can't be bothered trying to convince people that life is actually more enjoyable when you're being optimistic and seeing the potential that a film like this has to offer. If I'm wrong and the film is bad then I shrug my shoulders and move on to something else Joe related. My comics will still be there. My figures and DVD's will still be there. I will have lost nothing.
If you're right about it 'sucking', you can be proud of the fact that a year's worth of cynicism has been 'justified' and say "I told you so" until you're blue in the face.

Who cares what I think anyway? Stick to your guns and hate the film... Hearing the "suck" cliché for the umpteenth time won't sour the enjoyment I expect to have one jot, and the only people losing out will be those who convince themselves by saying it so often.

Pretty sure he did didn't he? When he had to open the hidden door thing and when the soldiers shot the tranqs at him. I could be wrong, it's been a while since I saw the movie.


All of two seconds..It was nothing compared to the third one..but you get my point..Many hated X-3 and I can see why..Ratner didn't put the depth into the film that Singer did..just alot of action and fight scenes..
I liked it if nothing else because Colossus was suiting up and because Beast was used..
I hated the loss of detail and depth to character personalities too, but I liked seeing Beast and Colossus doing battle..
FYI, Singer was supposed to be writing how he would have done x-3 and it was supposed to be utilized into a comic..
Never heard anymore about it though...
Saboteur

well rage thats the way i look at it too. I'm sure the movie IMO is not going to be very well done. Sure its more than likely gonna have some really cool action sequences and snappy one lines but I agree. I still have my DVDs action figures and the comics. And despite my personal preferance i still adhere thus far to the movie not going to be good. Everyone has their choices and opinions on what they think and feel and hey if im wrong and the movie turns out to be super awesome i'll admit im wrong. of course the action figures may only exsist till the movie stuff starts hitting. :<

Who cares what I think anyway? Stick to your guns and hate the film... Hearing the "suck" cliché for the umpteenth time won't sour the enjoyment I expect to have one jot, and the only people losing out will be those who convince themselves by saying it so often.

Don't get me wrong o.k. I've been optimistic for a very long time that the movie would be good. I like the birds, and the bees! It's just when I see what I see comming out about this movie, common sense takes over. It looks bad, I keep trying to interperate it in a way to make this stuff look good, but I just can't. I can't justify it. Bad casting, bad director. Common sense tells me it will be bad. I wish like hell it woulden't be, but My eyes aren't telling me lies. They didin't lie about the crap I saw Transformers turn into, they aren't lying now. Some people will like it shure, but some people are dumb asses. I can't change that.
I've been trying to forgett the Transformers movie ever since I saw that turd to no avail. I won't scar my mind again with another POS that steals the name of something I used to think was cool.

Lets just hope this new cartoon turns out good.

yup its looking sucky
i also disliked all the marvel movies except the new hulk.
I would love to see these type of movies made in a more
stylized approach. ala 300,sin city,etc

With this movie the main thing I worry about is how well it is produced. The changes don't matter to me as much, I don't care if Snake Eyes stays silent on purpose. What I do worry about, is Sommer's production. Quaid's interviews don't really help either. I don't want to see a live action version of the 86 movie or a live action movie based on the cartoon, with all the goofy quirks retained. I want to see a serious movie with minimal comedy relief, and action that is believable.

All in all I want to see a good movie, some have said this movie will suck as is the title of the thread. Maybe it will, but there is a chance it won't.

Changes are nothing new, the new cartoon is out of RAH continuity, and so was Sigma 6. Sigma 6 the cartoon was not good, not because of being in its own continuity, but because it wasn't very intriguing and was generic. If the new movie has a good story and is shot well with good visuals and very, very minimal comedy relief, I don't care if Snake Eyes shows up in red(which he sadly did in a comic not too long ago, and an RAH one at that!), the movie will be good.

Back in the day a lot of people thought Star Wars:A New Hope would suck, and look how that turned out. I am skeptical but hope the movie will be good.

"It'll suck because I won't like it".
I didn't like CITIZEN KANE, ergo it sucked. I love CARRY ON CLEO, so it must be the best film ever made.

That seems to be the sum of it so far, and I can't argue with that 'logic'.
But, being made to feel part of an inferior, ever diminishing minority to be 'pitied' & tacitly sneered at simply because they choose to be optimistic and excited about GI JOE: THE RISE OF COBRA is profoundly offensive.

Ironic then that so many of the movie haters are embracing the news of the new series, despite it sounding so different in tone, character and continuity to what's gone before.

Ultimately, for me to decide that a film will be bad before I've seen it, I have to hear tales of people walking off set, hasty script rewrites, panicked executive meetings and multiple reshoots. Until i hear such tales, I choose to assume the best before I actually see the finished product. I don't really think it's fair to be made to feel sub-normal for adopting such a fair-minded stance. But that's obviously just my very singular view.

And I loathed the pretentious, poe faced 'style' of SIN CITY, whether it echoed it's source or not. Despite that, I do at least acknowledge that it was a well made & unique film.
Still, by that darned logic of "Joe Pre-Movie Haters here, I guess it "sucked" because I didn't like it. I did at least extend the makers the courtesy of watching it first before passing judgement .

You've summed up my thoughts pretty well there Crimson :)



Back in the day a lot of people thought Star Wars:A New Hope would suck, and look how that turned out. I am skeptical but hope the movie will be good.

Yeah! Well if you've seen the documentary on the DVD, half the actual production and crew though it was the worst thing they've ever seen...not that I'm comparing GI Joe: Rise Of Cobra to Star Wars.

Anyway I'm a pretty optimistic person, and I really don't see any point in getting my knickers in a twist if I don't like a few pictures (I do infact like most of what I've seen and I'm really excited). I'm gonna wait until I see the film, then I'll make my judgement for now, I really like the look of it (minus that excelerator suit or whatever it was) but I doubt that is going to ruin my childhood. Everyone knows that despite what you think now, you'll be there on day one to see it like everyone else, and you know it won't be the GI Joe movie everyone wants, but I reckon we'll all come out of there with a massive smile talking about the amazing action!

With this movie the main thing I worry about is how well it is produced. The changes don't matter to me as much, I don't care if Snake Eyes stays silent on purpose. What I do worry about, is Sommer's production. Quaid's interviews don't really help either. I don't want to see a live action version of the 86 movie or a live action movie based on the cartoon, with all the goofy quirks retained. I want to see a serious movie with minimal comedy relief, and action that is believable.


Back in the day a lot of people thought Star Wars:A New Hope would suck, and look how that turned out. I am skeptical but hope the movie will be good.

Changes don't bother me either. What dose bother me is the changes seem Dated.

When I was a kid I liked the Ultimate Worrior, California rasins, Max Headroom, He-Man, Twisted Sister, Thunder Cats, the list goes on. Now a days those things seem dated, and silly.
GI.Joe always had it's dated/silly side, but it always had a classic side as well. The classic side is what I'd like to revisit as an adult. It's also what I'd like to see exploited in the new film. Insted it appears they are making it dated in a whole new way. A way that won't seem cool at all in ten, or twenty years down the road.

And in the words of Freddy Mercury " Jaws was never My scene, and I don't like Star Wars!" Sorry guys I'm a Star Trek Man!

lol- @ i liked max headroom

I liked the raisins

From what I've heard so far this is going to be a turd. I don't want to bash it. I really want to like it, but every new piece of info just disappoints me that much more.

Max Headroom ruled!!

As a action movie the Joe movie might be good,but as a G.I.Joe A Real American Hero Movie it's going to suck(if the rumors are true). They are totally changing the characters.They're messing up their looks,messing up the nationalities for political reasons and finally, we the fans were promised a true to the comics movie as stated in this interview by Hasbro CEO and producer Brian Goldner:

But what about the movie's spirit? Should fans expect to see a live-action version of the cartoon, an update on the Marvel comics, or something else entirely? According to Goldner, Sommers and crew want to take filmgoers back a couple of decades:

"Steve Sommers is very different. But he's perfect, because if you think about his movies like 'The Mummy,' it's the perfect action/adventure movie. If you think about what we're trying to do for G.I. Joe, really bringing back that '80s G.I. Joe from the Marvel comics -- those first 155 issues are really our focus. If you think about that, you'll understand what we're trying to get at with all those characters and all the intricate relationships. I don't think you'd see this movie as wacky. I think you're going to see this movie as being inspirational for younger kids and totally in the sweet spot for the guys who grew up on G.I. Joe."

My fanboy-sense keeps tingling, the same way it did when I saw the very first leaks of Transformers. No matter how much I told myself that Transformers was going to be a good movie, it actually fell far below even my worst expectations.

I'll keep an open mind, the script could still surprise me in a way the generic mediocrity of Transformers didn't. Time will tell.

If you think the ARAH fans are saying this movie sucks now,wait until they release pics of Cobra Commander,Zartan and the Cobra troops if they turn out to be totally untrue to the source material.

Let's see all the Paramounties sing the praises of the skull mask Cobra Commander(if that turns out to be true).

...skull mask Cobra Commander...

Please tell me you're kidding.

we the fans were promised a true to the comics movie as stated in this interview by Hasbro CEO and producer Brian Goldner:

But what about the movie's spirit? Should fans expect to see a live-action version of the cartoon, an update on the Marvel comics, or something else entirely? According to Goldner, Sommers and crew want to take filmgoers back a couple of decades:

"Steve Sommers is very different. But he's perfect, because if you think about his movies like 'The Mummy,' it's the perfect action/adventure movie. If you think about what we're trying to do for G.I. Joe, really bringing back that '80s G.I. Joe from the Marvel comics -- those first 155 issues are really our focus. If you think about that, you'll understand what we're trying to get at with all those characters and all the intricate relationships. I don't think you'd see this movie as wacky. I think you're going to see this movie as being inspirational for younger kids and totally in the sweet spot for the guys who grew up on G.I. Joe."

Boy, they will say anything to get butts in the seats, and silence "bad buzz"

My fanboy-sense keeps tingling, the same way it did when I saw the very first leaks of Transformers. No matter how much I told myself that Transformers was going to be a good movie, it actually fell far below even my worst expectations.

Same here. Still trying to blank it out of my mind. Good reason NOT to go see it if it looks bad. I want my good memories of Joe to remain intact.
Max Headroom ruled!!
thththtthank yyyyou!!!!

i am not expecting this movie to be anything i had been hoping for since i was a kid hoping to see a live action Joe movie...i wanted at the very least, for the characters to be recognizeable, and we KNOW, that this will not be the case...that being said, i intend to have the lowest expections possible when i go to see this "movie"...that way i can only be impressed right?....thats what i did last time i went to Cedar Point with my in-laws, and ya know what, i had a great time...all because i just knew it was gonna suck...sound logic, i know

Please tell me you're kidding.

In a pic that showed the workshop for the black Joe x-men looking suits and presumedly other Joe costumes there was a skull mask in the the background.It might be CC,Destro,troopers or nobodys.But if it's the mask to one of these characters....stand by for maximum bitching.

Saving Private Ryan proved CGI can be used to outstanding effect in a war movie.

Great thread. Throws all the apples in one basket. I just don't get how some can hate a movie that they haven't seen a trailer for much less the movie itself. Fun to read.
preach on

Had hope when i saw first pics of Snake Eyes
Lost hope when i saw set pics of Snake Eyes with his stupid mouth thing.

I know I've already mentioned this, but this thread is my absolute favorite! Why, because This Movie Is Going To Suck. But with that said, if you like popcorn flicks with no depth that this is the movie for you!!!

nope because youll puke it up when frowney SE looks at you.

Had hope when i saw first pics of Snake Eyes
Lost hope when i saw set pics of Snake Eyes with his stupid mouth thing.

You know chin pubes Duke is from Alabama? Great another thing for people to make fun of us about :(

lol. (chants) dukes from alabammmmmaaa ! dukes from alabammaaaaa! nya nya LOL j/k :>

i lost interest when i saw duke and ripcord in really bulky low budget looking body armer.

you know I guess I still find it funny how people are bashing the flick and it isn't even finished yet. I guess I learned my lesson a few films ago.

you know I guess I still find it funny how people are bashing the flick and it isn't even finished yet. I guess I learned my lesson a few films ago.

Out of curiosity, what film was that?
And who is that on your avatar? I've looked at the Damned thing for a week, trying to remember where it was from. I've seen that before, but for the life of me can't remember what movie that was!
Saboteur

And who is that on your avatar? I've looked at the Damned thing for a week, trying to remember where it was from. I've seen that before, but for the life of me can't remember what movie that was!
Saboteur

Sho-Nuff, the "Shogun of Harlem" from The Last Dragon. A truly, awesomely glorious piece of 80s cheese that has since never been duplicated.

lol. (chants) dukes from alabammmmmaaa ! dukes from alabammaaaaa! nya nya LOL j/k :>

Woulden't mind so much if chin pubes Duke didin't look like a total tool. He looks like some jerk who would have picked on me in Gym class. Not the leader of a higly trained special missions force!
Step Up thats all I got to say about the guy! http://youtube.com/watch?v=9QI4hdvvgoQ&amp;feature=related

yeah delta i gotta agree. tatum looks like a rooster eater who couldnt make the cut in a power rangers or boy band audition. :>

So Crimson Rage, and Cobra-Viper.

How do you feel about them making GI.Joe an international team? Assuming you grew up with Action Force. Dose it seem that much of a stretch to have them be International?

It's the change that bothers me least (or not at all) to be honest.

well rand i wouldnt say im embarrased to be a joe fan. I never have nor will i be. What im embarrased about is the movie and how they told us one thing "you will get a accurate joe film" then turned around did the other." Ha fooled you we're really making this into sigma six action force. Maybe they should just change the names to the action force names and call the movie argen 7 or Action Force. Just remove gi joe from the title all together..

Ironic that those declaring with utter conviction that this film will 'suck' will never actually know if you're right.
That is, if you're so certain, I presume you won't bother watching it. Ever.

Even tracking down a free pirate copy means you're curious. Curiosity in turn suggests you have doubts about the %100 certainty of your original claim (which you all seem to exhibit). Why else watch a film you know will be bad? Just to smugly say "I told you so" is hardly enough.

i agree rage. I am curious to know. All i said was i wont pay money in theaters or on dvd to watch it. I did the same thing with the last resident evil film. I hate that series never watched the second one and made it about 15 or 20 min into the third before i just had to turn it off it was so bad. I'm sensing i will do the same with gi joe. True no one has "seen" the film, but it really isnt hard to deduce that fiven everything thats been show, said in interviews and everything else that this will not be what many many of us where first led to believe and hope it would be.

Ironic that those declaring with utter conviction that this film will 'suck' will never actually know if you're right.
That is, if you're so certain, I presume you won't bother watching it. Ever.

Even tracking down a free pirate copy means you're curious. Curiosity in turn suggests you have doubts about the %100 certainty of your original claim (which you all seem to exhibit). Why else watch a film you know will be bad? Just to smugly say "I told you so" is hardly enough.

Don't confuse our egomaniacal desire to be proven right at all costs for a faltering in our convictions. ;)

I firmly believed in advance that Transformers would be a turd, but I was still willing to flush two hours of my life down the bowl because I wanted to be able to say I was right with at least some authority.

Curiosity in turn suggests you have doubts about the %100 certainty of your original claim.

I hope your right that the movie won't "suck". Also yes I am curious as hell what it will turn out like. I hope I speak for everyone when I say, none of us want it to "suck". We all want it to be good, and that is why we are concerned.

The thread is called 'this movie will suck'. I agree that is jumping to conclusions. Perhaps it should be called "we are concerned that this movie might suck", but that's just too much of a mouth full.

well as i stated in the opposing thread i think ( myself included in this) that a major reason for the dispisement of this movie is that many of the Franchise series that have come out as of the last few years with very few exception have literaly sucked. now to add to this films already growing hatred the fact that the current joe toy line is proposed to be scrapped in favor of the movie line which many many people already don't like adds even more fuel to the fire.
Now that being the case it is rather unfair to judge this film before it comes out. I see that point. Valid point. But trailer or no trailer, people nowadays scrutinize every aspect of a film and so far what has been released. shown leaked press released what have you has not given the impression that this gi joe film is going to be what was originally interpreted to be a more true to form gi joe movie that many of the die hard fans who grew up with this franchise were expecting it to be. Now many others seem to be open minded about the changes, i for one not really being one of them, do not agree with damn near any of the changes, cast, director costumes etc. I feel they jipped us and lied to us to get us hyped about the film then pulleed the ol' bait n switch. not to mention bout the only two people in this film even worth a crap (ray park who looks a lil chunky in the rubber suit and Chris Eccleston) are not going to be enough to save this film. However i do astonishingly have one positive point to make....at least UWE BOWL ( Both bloodrayne films and the LOTR knock off in the name of the king) isnt directing it. Can i get an amen?

Got that right about the director. I watched the Original Frankenstein last night. Boy it's great. How did Sommers screw that up? I mean in the Van Helsing Movie.
Frankestein's monster was never the "bad guy" in that film. It was the doctor. The doctor was an unethical mad man. If anything Frankenstein's monster was the VICTIM.

Not to mention what he did to the Mummy. Sommers supposed masterpiece. Boris Karlof is spinning is his grave over what that bastard did to his characters!

lol. I actually found the mummy films entertaining if for no other reason brendan frasier. van helsing was NOT anything related to his origin but again an entertaing film. now Uwe Bowl on the other hand cranks out crap after crap. at least sommers can manage to somewhat entertain.....somewhat. i mean i dont think hes a horrid director just not right for this movie. Maybe doug Liman who did the bourne films woulda been a better choice.

well we must all remember the director DIDNT wqrite the scripts so lets place blame were it truly belongs...on the people who wrote this thing.

So in the other thread people are saying they are going to support this upcoming film because it will help revitalize GI JOE and bring us even more characters and vehicles. Good point thats is possible. However the more likely scenario is that in supporting THIS movie and toy line the signal being sent will be...oh this is the version of GI JOE that everyone wants as lets make a white doc, a white stalker, a white roadblock, a black flint, a muslim lady jaye, an alien dr mindbender etc etc etc. Theres nothing wrong with wanting to see what made the original line great in a modern day adaptation. To say oh they shouldnt make any changes is yes absurd because if they were all true to their 80's origins none of em would be on the team they'd all be desk jockeys by now since most were already 30 summin to beginf with. But did no one see the punisher? his origin wasnt NAM IT WAS DESERT STORM. Could using a more recent war be out of the question? could actually getting the look, origins and style of what made these characters so great too much to ask without them changing EVERYTHING to the point that the only thing this has in common with gi joe is a few characters names and the title. I understand that things succumb to pollitcal crooectness but when they do, such as this movie obvisouly has, instead of saying oh lets support it so they keep the line going, which hasbro has already said the modern classic style line is being put on "hiatus", essentially cancelled, to make way for the crappy movie stuff, lets NOT support something just because it has the label of gi joe when its truly not the franchise we were expecting it to be. why support something crappy when they should be making it they way it was told to us it would be?

So in the other thread people are saying they are going to support this upcoming film because it will help revitalize GI JOE and bring us even more characters and vehicles. Good point thats is possible. However the more likely scenario is that in supporting THIS movie and toy line the signal being sent will be...oh this is the version of GI JOE that everyone wants as lets make a white doc, a white stalker, a white roadblock, a black flint, a muslim lady jaye, an alien dr mindbender etc etc etc. Theres nothing wrong with wanting to see what made the original line great in a modern day adaptation. To say oh they shouldnt make any changes is yes absurd because if they were all true to their 80's origins none of em would be on the team they'd all be desk jockeys by now since most were already 30 summin to beginf with. But did no one see the punisher? his origin wasnt NAM IT WAS DESERT STORM. Could using a more recent war be out of the question? could actually getting the look, origins and style of what made these characters so great too much to ask without them changing EVERYTHING to the point that the only thing this has in common with gi joe is a few characters names and the title. I understand that things succumb to pollitcal crooectness but when they do, such as this movie obvisouly has, instead of saying oh lets support it so they keep the line going, which hasbro has already said the modern classic style line is being put on "hiatus", essentially cancelled, to make way for the crappy movie stuff, lets NOT support something just because it has the label of gi joe when its truly not the franchise we were expecting it to be. why support something crappy when they should be making it they way it was told to us it would be?

Got a little lost there.
I don't think the Transformers movie has helped the Transformers toy line. In sales yes, but in substance no. I don't really care if there is more Joe toys on the shelf if they are bad. The Joe line (as apposed to the Transformers line) has the benifit of interchangable parts. Parts that I can use to further "My" Joe verse. I'm looking forward to seeing new playsets, vehicles ect..

They COULD switch the wars they were in. Not that Nam' was a very favorable war, but Desert Storm, and the war on terror are a little too close to home for a kids film now a days.

I personaly woulden't care how political they made it, but I can see why they avoided doing so. It's a touch subject to say the least.

perhaps but this really isnt a kids film. War movies almost never are and if their target is children boy have they shot an airball. A movie like this is and should be, more for the older generations from teens opn up and right now the wars, while perhaps close to home, would be a much better rigin than saying snake eyes is a frenchman, or that storm shadow is korean. Im all for a change for the better but they changes they've made thus far seem to be for the worse.

However i do astonishingly have one positive point to make....at least UWE BOWL ( Both bloodrayne films and the LOTR knock off in the name of the king) isnt directing it. Can i get an amen?

Sweet Jesus, everybody likes to crap on Boll! Let me tell you something, I rented Bloodrayne and Vampirella (by Roger Corman) and let me tell you, Corman (one of my favorite B movie directors of all time, the guy who trained freakin' James Cameron!) got his ass beat up and down the street in that competition.

Admittedly, it's the only one of his movies I've seen, but damn! You'd think the guy was the anti-christ! He's at worst, a half-decent B-movie director who has some kind of knack for getting theatrical release. His work isn't great, but it compared to some crap on DVD, it's not a bad rental.

Hell, I'd rather watch Bloodrayne again than the bloated, over-hyped sack of motion-sickness that was Cloverfield.

corman can at least make his movies entertaining. Boll just manages to muck up things about as bad as Paul WS Anderson does with any franchise he ever gets his hands on ( Resident evil Mortal kombat 2 AVP). Hell boll is so bad i found out theres a worldwide petition to get him banned from ever directing another film. Thats gotta say something. Corman never got a petition against him lol. And i do enhoy come of cormans films...c;mon ya gotta love deathrace 2000. :>

perhaps but this really isnt a kids film.

Well I have to disagree.

Dig thist thread I started if you wanna talk about it.http://www.hisstank.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11909

I wish it was targetet at 20-30 somethings, but do you really have to ask why it's not?

PS. Roger Corman rules. It takes taste to appreciate that much tastelessness

i think transformers was geared to 20 to 30 somethings i know my 10yr old did not get all the swearing and sexual inuendos in it. it was just barely age appropriate enough for him. and i don't see gi joe being less violent or sexually explicit than transformers. kids go see these movies but they are geared for teens an adults

i think transformers was geared to 20 to 30 somethings i know my 10yr old did not get all the swearing and sexual inuendos in it. it was just barely age appropriate enough for him. and i don't see gi joe being less violent or sexually explicit than transformers. kids go see these movies but they are geared for teens an adults

I don't think it's so much the swearing as the subject matter. I saw Robocop and Predator when I was 12 and while I didn't get all the nuances, I got the gist of it. (Cop shot to hell and rebuilt as a living can of ass-whuppin', alien hunter killing off soldiers fighting for their lives, Ahnuld ain't havin' it).

Transformers muddled things up by taking away from the main plot (civil war between race of alien robots) and needlessly put all the attention on all the crap that should have been secondary to that.

i am hoping transformers 2 is more about civil war and the cube and less about sam witwickies love life

oh and i hope ultra magnus makes an appearance

oh and get this all DEATHRACE 2000 IS BEING REMADE :> JAson Statham is starring in it and unfortunately the director is Paul WS Anderson who really cant seem to do anything good with any previously made movies or any franchises, but given there was never a lot of plot or substance to the original i think perhaps he will do good with this one. Just keep it simple...killing people with cars for sport fame and money...not a hard concept is it? :> oh and the cars look supremely badass :>

im not going to worry about this movie i mean dont based a movie on the look of it people back when the 1 st x men movie was set to come out people were saying alot of crap about how they look and bang it comes out and the movie was great it had a good story and good acting so dont judge a movie till you see it because it just may be a good one.if the story a nd the fx are good ill like it be cause when i go to the movies i want to be entertaned not look for flaws and crap.........so dont be to hasty yet guys

oh and get this all DEATHRACE 2000 IS BEING REMADE :> JAson Statham is starring in it and unfortunately the director is Paul WS Anderson who really cant seem to do anything good with any previously made movies or any franchises, but given there was never a lot of plot or substance to the original i think perhaps he will do good with this one. Just keep it simple...killing people with cars for sport fame and money...not a hard concept is it? :> oh and the cars look supremely badass :>

No plot or substance to the original? It was a comentary on how far the medi will go for our entertainment. Just like running man. It is a subject that should be questioned today as well.

No plot or substance to the original? It was a comentary on how far the medi will go for our entertainment. Just like running man. It is a subject that should be questioned today as well.

I'll do you one better. It was also a commentary on the government using the media and entertainment to distract us from what they're up to (wag the dog!). Appeasing our basest instincts so we ignore their actions. Rollerball was another spectacular movie, arguably one of my favorite sci-fi movies of all time, that got an utterly vapid and empty remake with none of the subtle (and not so subtle) social commentary of the original.

I run the risk of this getting political, but is it any wonder that as our entertainment becomes more stupid and pointless that our government gets away with more shenanigans? Where are the reporters that work tirelessly to expose scandals involving our potentially shady involvement in world affairs?

Probably covering the next reality show. -_-

Rollerball was another spectacular movie, arguably one of my favorite sci-fi movies of all time, that got an utterly vapid and empty remake with none of the subtle (and not so subtle) social commentary of the original.

Amen on that!!! (james kahn) Roller Ball F'ing ruled!!!
And you mean it got pointlessly remade, kinda like the Mummy did?

...I agree. I can see myself walking out of that theatre already.

Amen on that!!! (james kahn) Roller Ball F'ing ruled!!!
And you mean it got pointlessly remade, kinda like the Mummy did?

Yup. I forget everyone in it, but the basic plot was Jean Reno was a shady entertainment mogul who started rigging accidents behind the scenes because obviously violence seels. It oviously has it's own message, but it totally missed the point of the original, which had the audience willingly demand more violence and less rules, only to be shocked back into silent, startling reality by James Kahn's final, heroic walk, and the idea that a man can become bigger than the institution he served.

Amen on that!!! (james kahn) Roller Ball F'ing ruled!!!
And you mean it got pointlessly remade, kinda like the Mummy did?

wow, just wow. if you want to see our argument then head over to http://www.hisstank.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12697&page=7 It's near the bottom of the page. does anyone like sommers mummy? and if you don't do you think I'm entitled to my opinion without having someone say I have no taste? and if you don't should you be entitled to your opinion without having someone say you have no taste? I liked the sommers mummy better than the original, sue me

Yup. I forget everyone in it, but the basic plot was Jean Reno was a shady entertainment mogul who started rigging accidents behind the scenes because obviously violence seels. It oviously has it's own message, but it totally missed the point of the original, which had the audience willingly demand more violence and less rules, only to be shocked back into silent, startling reality by James Kahn's final, heroic walk, and the idea that a man can become bigger than the institution he served.
Game!?!?! It was never ment to be a GAME!! NEVER!!!

You haven't even seen the original, and you know it.

I have seen the original

looks like Larry Hama doesn't agree with many of you at all:
Have the screenwriter’s adapted any of your past Joe stories for the film?

HAMA: Like I said before, plots and events don't register high in my world-view, but the writer has really nailed the characters, and that's what counts.

cue the Larry Hama was just being political excuse. or maybe he doesn't know as much about what defines the characters as many of you. I mean, he only created them. or doesn't know as much about what defines a G.I. Joe story as you (even though your idea of what G.I. Joe is is based on his own ideas).

I look forward to the rationalization and counter of this quote.

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looks like Larry Hama doesn't agree with many of you at all:


cue the Larry Hama was just being political excuse. or maybe he doesn't know as much about what defines the characters as many of you. I mean, he only created them. or doesn't know as much about what defines a G.I. Joe story as you (even though your idea of what G.I. Joe is is based on his own ideas).

I look forward to the rationalization and counter of this quote.

Larry Hama has always struck me as someone who, while proud of the Joe 'universe' he created, wasn't really all that attached to it. And certainly not attached enough to it to argue with the money I'm sure will come his way as a result of this relaunch. To him it was a job, and he has said that on more than one occasion; to many of us who grew up with the stories he wrote it was a shaping influence in our lives, whether some of us admit that or not. So I don't find it at all surprising that some 'fans' are much more vociferous in their opposition to the re-imagining, or 'protective' of the property if you will, than Larry is.

He's sort of the anti-Alan Moore, who doesn't want anyone touching his stories ever, period, amen. Hama seems more like the type who really doesn't care if you make Snake-Eyes a Brazilian she-male crack dealer, so long as he gets the original credit for the character. :)

Even though I agree with you 100%, what in the world is Hama supposed to say? "Uhm, no they fracked it up and I hate them but I have a new comic that will kick there arse." The reality is even if he did hate it, and I know he does not. What other response could he give?

he could have given a myriad of other responses that were not they nailed the characters perfectly.

strike 1.

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Larry Hama has always struck me as someone who, while proud of the Joe 'universe' he created, wasn't really all that attached to it. And certainly not attached enough to it to argue with the money I'm sure will come his way as a result of this relaunch. To him it was a job, and he has said that on more than one occasion; to many of us who grew up with the stories he wrote it was a shaping influence in our lives, whether some of us admit that or not.
Kinda like Willam Shather is to star trek fans. I can see that
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ihsSmJNsDX8

Hammas Comments are encouraging

Before gunslinger rips us to shreads.

Do you think GI.Joe will at least be better than the Transformers movie?

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exactly. hama cant just come out and start bashing the film that may hold the key to reviving his enterprise. He's gonna back the film like Rocky said, hes a buisnessman, thus he will play ball. Now if hama had said oh this movie is gonna suck blah blah blah there would probably have been some nasty reprocussions to that and he doesnt wanna put his livilehood at risk that way. doesnt change the fact that i still don't see this movie as being what we were told it would be, the origins are not accurate and the characters are not in my opinion "nailed". cept maybe to the ecumincal cross.

Well I was looking through my old comics, and saw in the Post box pitt where Hamma did slam something close to what we are talking about.
In the early 90's when the guy who made the Street Fighter movie was going to make a live action GI.Joe movie, a reader wrote in with a question about it. He said something to the extent of " Who's playing Roadblock? I'd like to see Louis Gosset Jr. play him, and Jean Claud Vandamme play Snake Eyes." Hamma Replied something like " The script I read didin't have Roadblock or Snakeeyes. Go figure." I'm not quoting it word for word, but pretty damn close. It was definately a slam though.

I know this movie is a way different situation, but Hamma was always vocal about things he did, and didin't like going on with Joe.

Well I am not worried about him.........LOL. He is pretty sound in his arguments but like everyone else he gets so caught up in trying to maintain his original argument that he does not see the bigger picture. Hama is a business guy and will do the SMART business move and play ball. And that is what he is doing, so his comments are worth nothing.
Take William Shatner, he was all for the new Star Trek movie, even the fact that someone would be playing Kirk at a younger age. He was cool abut this, even promiting it to some extent. Well that was until he was not picked up for a cameo let alone a role in the film. Now he is all "This wont work, yada, yada, yada..." Hama has his future riding on getting back into the saddle of GI JOE. He is not dumb. Do you really think the producers brought Hama on as a bullsh*t Consultant for nothing. They knew it was a superficial title, he knows this and we know this. But it helps connect the 80's fans with the new era of Joe's that we will be seeing in 2009. but to answer your question; No. I think Transformers is going to hold the title if comparing the two against each other for box office revenue. What is a better movie is moot as opinions vary and well it does not mean a thing..............
keep projecting what you believe Hama's motivations are in the face of contrary evidence to support your own position. that's illogical. I like how he simply can't mean what he said because if he did it defends the movie and disputes your position -- and you claim I am defending my own argument without seeing the big picture. that's very convenient for your argument. your argument depends on you making up what he means. that's not even an argument, that's just fantasy.

and strong financial ties? please. the guy worked for one week on the movie an did a cameo -- hardly a strong financial tie there. and the comic isn't going to be effected by the movie significantly, so he holds no financial stake from that end. have Transformer comic sales skyrocketed because of the movie? no.

strike 2.

to answer your question; No. I think Transformers is going to hold the title if comparing the two against each other for box office revenue. What is a better movie is moot as opinions vary and well it does not mean a thing..............

Well not judging by revenue, but content.

I think the old Transformers movie was way better than the old Joe movie. While I'm not diging the direction the new Joe movie is going (from what we have to judge it on). I think the new Joe movie has the potential to blow the new transformers movie away.

IMO the new Transformers movie = Giant turd

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Seems like an appropriate time to bring this thread back. Just when Im getting exciting about these toys again with the Comic Con display cases they go and start talking about power suits and line hiatus. F this movie!