GI Joe Renegades Episode 18 - Union Of The Snake Discussion

[Shin Densetsu]

GI JOE RENEGADES EPISODE 18 UNION OF THE SNAKE

WHAT THE HELL IS GOING TO HAPPEN? I have not seen an episode in weeks or longer! Actually longer than a month!

Anyways, interesting title, wonder if Cobra Commander gets a new mask or new comrades or something. DISCUSS

[snakeeyes566]

excited for this episode..i bet its one of those Cobra episodes..someone please post this as soon as possible on youtube!!!!!

[CrimsonGuard101]

Oh noes...I hope Duran Duran is not going to do a cameo...Union of the Snake lol

[steve_smmr]

after the events of 'castle destro' i think the commander is going to axe destro and the baroness and bring in some other familiar faces.

[JoeMama]

CC marries his pet, Serpentor, in honor of the royal wedding.
It is a beautiful ceremony, this union of the snake, and cc picked just the right dress (not the one that had the frumpy bottom and made him look fat).
I like his flower selection.
pink and blue, his favorite colors.

[Black Swan]

Like what I see so far. Spoiler****

















Red Star.

[kennywr22]

October guard?! That is what he said right. Awesome!

[kennywr22]

Red star!! Sweet

[Black Swan]

Cobra Flight Pods .I want one!

[kennywr22]

Holy crap that episode was fantastic!! Flight pods were awesome. Red star was great! Love the twins getting out and getting a little revenge. This series just continues to impress!!

[kennywr22]

Oh and i want that baroness in figure form.. lovely..lol. I really hope we get more toys from this series before that movie takes over. So many cool toy ideas in this episode alone. The drivers of the flight pods were very cool looking.

[MFJayman]

Oh and i want that baroness in figure form.. lovely..lol. I really hope we get more toys from this series before that movie takes over. So many cool toy ideas in this episode alone. The drivers of the flight pods were very cool looking.


Man, took the words right out of my mouth. I wish we at least had the prospect of getting a toy of those flight pods, they look like an awesome update, and the pilots look really cool.

Overall, another very good episode. And the last 10 minutes or so were especially great. And wow, that was quite a surprise at the end, when the Twins broke free. Good for them.

Cobra really seems to be ratcheting things up in the "global domination schemes" department lately.

[UMAN]

flsjfosdfijoesjslfj!!!! it's not online yet....!!

[Captain Carstein]

flsjfosdfijoesjslfj!!!! it's not online yet....!!

Sounds like you're in the same boat as me... :(

I love this series! My surprise (to me anyway) favorite character by far has been the Baroness. She IS the main evil mover and shaker!

[Owner of a Lonely B.A.T.]

I liked the episode, but I didn't like the Flight Pods so much...they were okay, but I don't know...I might like'em better in toy form.

IF we ever get them in toy form.

[Jay West]

We got so much goodness...

1. Oktober Guard (I'll pretend that was my favorite OG member - Horrorshow - it looked more like him :) )
2. The true Cobra logo - was this the first time in the series?
3. Trouble bubbles
4. The seed planted for Extensive Enterprises

All in all this episode was full of Joe mythology...

[MFJayman]

Sounds like you're in the same boat as me... :(

I love this series! My surprise (to me anyway) favorite character by far has been the Baroness. She IS the main evil mover and shaker!

True, she really has been doing most of Cobra's heavy lifting throughout the series, hasn't she. Cool to finally get a glimpse of where she's from as well, and to get some of her own personal and family history (namely, the whole Cisarnova vs. Red Star's people thing).

And man, Destro and the Baroness have some serious real estate between them. Baroness seems to practically have an entire small nation or province under her heel over there in Eastern Europe.

[MFJayman]

We got so much goodness...

2. The true Cobra logo - was this the first time in the series?



Damn, I must have missed this. Another episode that really flew by, so much packed in there.

[kennywr22]

That's right I forgot to mention that. The cobra logo appeared for the first time ! That was a surprise . That episode was so fun. So many cool little things.

[Black Swan]

I missed seeing the logo or maybe I forgot with so much happening in this episode.But the Baroness saying, " Minderbender get off of me !"was a classic .

[MFJayman]

We got so much goodness...

4. The seed planted for Extensive Enterprises

All in all this episode was full of Joe mythology...


It’ll be very interesting to see what happens with this. I can’t imagine the Twins will be eager to have much of anything to do with Cobra from now on, unless it is a very grudgingly formed alliance between Cobra and the Twins’ own independent organization (be it Extensive Enterprises, another cult, or something else).

Honestly, I felt pretty bad for the Twins, with the way they’ve been treated by Mindbender. Looked like a very painful and humiliating period of captivity. I think they’re gonna be really pissed off at Cobra for a very long time.

[ChaplainAsst]

Best Part: Oktober Guard. Maybe this will mean Hasbro is considering a 7 pack of the original Guard now that they are back in the mainstream?

[Jay West]

I missed seeing the logo or maybe I forgot with so much happening in this episode.But the Baroness saying, " Minderbender get off of me !"was a classic .

When the Black Adder (the phone thingy) went live the logo was the classic logo - not the Cobra industries logo. It popped up again on a computer in Mindbender's lair/lab.

[Jay West]

Say what you will ...even if we never visit this series again ...it makes a nice little origin for GI Joe. Heck you could watch the inevitable DVD of this and then plop in Resolute and get decent bookends.

[General Hawk]

Fantastic episode! Really fantastic. Very fast-paced, some great action, and very cool nods to the fans. Excellent!

I've got my review posted on GeneralsJoes as well, for anyone interested:

Episode Eighteen – Union of the Snake | G.I. Joe: Renegades (http://generalsjoes.com/renegades/episode-guide/season-one/episode-eighteen-union-of-the-snake/)

[MFJayman]

Great review G Hawk! You mentioned that tension and conflict between Duke and Red Star, which I too really liked. It sort of showed two opposite ends of the “good guy” spectrum, with Duke displaying his incorruptible moral and ethical principles, against the “anything for victory, ends justify the means” approach of Red Star. And with Scarlett’s attitude falling somewhere in the gray area middle of those two positions.

You can kind of see how, without the influence of someone like Duke, Scarlett could eventually end up a bit like Red Star, someone who might be willing to incur collateral civilian “damage” for the end purpose of an important mission.

[MFJayman]

And hey, episode 19 is airing next Saturday? I hadn't checked the schedule for a month or more, and I was assuming there would be another 3 week break.

[John_0515]

And hey, episode 19 is airing next Saturday? I hadn't checked the schedule for a month or more, and I was assuming there would be another 3 week break.

next two weeks - two new episodes.

[Sgt Major Haley]

Great episode.

When Red Star showed up, I was thinking Gung Ho, then I was racking my brain when I saw the star tatt. But when he started talking and said about the OG, I was like "SWEET, its Horror Show!" When Baroness called him Col. Krimov it made me scratch my head. But hey its cool we get a amalgem of the 2.

[MFJayman]

next two weeks - two new episodes.

Cool. Lets hope the breaks are over. I feel like it takes about 2 or 3 good episodes to get a solid momentum going again, and those breaks really hindered that.

So, I guess we might be getting the finale sometime in mid-June, instead of mid-to late-July (barring any more breaks).

Now if they could only bump up the release of some of the Renegades figures to coincide with the finale...

[TheFallen]

I have become quite a fan of this series. I am disappointed that it will go on hiatus

[Black Swan]

When the Black Adder (the phone thingy) went live the logo was the classic logo - not the Cobra industries logo. It popped up again on a computer in Mindbender's lair/lab.
Thanks . I'll look out for again the next time I see it . I so like Sunday mornings.

[The UK GIJoe]

This series is getting better & better- the introduction of Red Star of the Oktober Guard was f***ing superb (hope we get him in figure form).I like most people will not like the hiatus on Season 2 but can't wait til the first is released on Dvd.
How many episodes are left in season 1 by the way?

[edhellman]

arrrrrrrgh what a good episode.

There is now such a nice group of cobra troopers I want in figure form, from the generic troopers and pilot we are already getting to the snow troopers and now the trouble bubble pilots. Man, what great designs!

[JamesBenjamin]

General Hawk mentioned it on his generalsjoes' review as well, but I thought it was worth mentioning again:

The amount of history and digging that went into the motivations for Red Star was amazing. Quoting a Prussian general on war strategy, his Marxist views of overthrowing the ruling class... And with the Baroness and Tunnel Rat making communist/historical references (b: "my family has ruled through the czars, communists, and the capitalists..." and tr's "may day" comment), I was really happy with this episode.

Maybe this is my history geek side showing through, but I think it really shows how much the writers care about this show, and I hope it really does pick up again after the movie next summer. It would be AMAZING to see this storyline turn into a full blown multi-season story.

Also: the new trouble bubbles! I always hated the originals because the design makes no sense (from a military perspective). They fixed it here by having the opening in the top, and not the bottom (since when using them you'll obviously only be taking fire from the bottom...).

Ah, great episode.

[Destro's Son]

Say what you will ...even if we never visit this series again ...it makes a nice little origin for GI Joe. Heck you could watch the inevitable DVD of this and then plop in Resolute and get decent bookends.

I never thought of that, but you are so totally right!

[fireflyguy]

Another great episode!! I think my favorite part was near the end when Mindbender and Baroness were wrestling around on the floor like a brother and sister having a fight.

I also picked up a little flirting with Duke and Scarlett near the end as well, which will make it interesting since the show has pointed toward she and SE being a thing.

When, in the Joe universe, have we first seen Red Star? I know we got a figure of him in the 25th comic packs, but I wasn't familiar with him before that. I remember the OG in the Marvel comic series, especially within the first 10 issues, but I don't remember him. Did he show up in later issues? I can't remember.

[edhellman]

frickin duke better watch it. snake eyes should slice his ass up for all the flirting he is doin with scarlett.

[Destro's Son]

Another great episode!! I think my favorite part was near the end when Mindbender and Baroness were wrestling around on the floor like a brother and sister having a fight.

I also picked up a little flirting with Duke and Scarlett near the end as well, which will make it interesting since the show has pointed toward she and SE being a thing.

When, in the Joe universe, have we first seen Red Star? I know we got a figure of him in the 25th comic packs, but I wasn't familiar with him before that. I remember the OG in the Marvel comic series, especially within the first 10 issues, but I don't remember him. Did he show up in later issues? I can't remember.


Don't know when red star shows in comic first, but I remember him leading the OG back in the 80s Sunbow cartoon.

[Destro's Son]

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knew it sounded familiar...

[fireflyguy]

Don't know when red star shows in comic first, but I remember him leading the OG back in the 80s Sunbow cartoon.

Which season? Seems like I remember some OG in season 1 but I can't remember, and I'm not as familiar with Season 2.

[John_0515]

Which season? Seems like I remember some OG in season 1 but I can't remember, and I'm not as familiar with Season 2.

Khrimov (Red Star) was the series 2 leader of the Oktober Guard. Supposedly he was related to Brekhov.

[homer_sapien]

Really surprised to see Oktober Guard show up. Even if it was only Red Star.

[Steel Brigade]

This was a really good episode.

I'm a Red Star fan & surprised he was even on... I don't think I have ever seen a animated show with so much scarring or facial disfigurement. lol

It sounds like Extensive Enterprises is creeping it's way in. I loved the scene with Baroness & Mindbender fighting to the death... & some of Snake's sweet moves... great history...

That being said it was also another "flavor of the week" episode & I hope before it all ends we some how break that mold.

[firefly069]

great episode! really well thought out!

[Fox]

Looks like the writers have seen OHMSS.

[Zefram]

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When the last ep of the season airs I'm going to end up going through withdrawal symptoms.

Honestly, I felt pretty bad for the Twins, with the way they’ve been treated by Mindbender. Looked like a very painful and humiliating period of captivity. I think they’re gonna be really pissed off at Cobra for a very long time.

True, but brainwashing Mindbender (as well as innumerable innocents) into stealing millions of dollars for them, you gotta admit they had it coming in spades.

The amount of history and digging that went into the motivations for Red Star was amazing. Quoting a Prussian general on war strategy, his Marxist views of overthrowing the ruling class... And with the Baroness and Tunnel Rat making communist/historical references (b: "my family has ruled through the czars, communists, and the capitalists..." and tr's "may day" comment), I was really happy with this episode.

Maybe this is my history geek side showing through, but I think it really shows how much the writers care about this show, and I hope it really does pick up again after the movie next summer. It would be AMAZING to see this storyline turn into a full blown multi-season story.

Writing for animation in general has gotten a LOT better since Batman TAS and X-Men came on the scene and upped the bar. This is what I mean about a show having genuine maturity as opposed to blood and shooting. There was actual differences in philosophical outlook being displayed by the assorted characters that make them feel a lot more real than just some action arch-type.

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knew it sounded familiar...

I think it was more of a play on "Blackberry" than the BBC series (which I highly recommend).

[G.I. Jennster]

i know, i know, it's supposed to be scarlett and snake eyes, but my lil romantic heart jumped a bit when duke had scarlett in his arms. *sigh* made me smile :)

[edhellman]

i know, i know, it's supposed to be scarlett and snake eyes, but my lil romantic heart jumped a bit when duke had scarlett in his arms. *sigh* made me smile :)

I hope they have a moment where snake eyes notices stuff like that

[MFJayman]

Sounds like this Duke/SE/Scarlett issue might need a poll to see where people stand. SE/Scarlett, Duke/Scarlett, love triangle, or any of the above.

[MFJayman]

Oh, by the way, it looks like we now have another possible use for a future RB sculpt, with Red Star. RB, Road Pig, and Red Star could totally utilize the same basic sculpt, I'd say.

[skinny]

Red Star first appeared in the DIC cartoon his figure was released in 1991
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[skinny]

also the "it's just like riding a bike" line could be a reference to issue #1

[homer_sapien]

Damn, I must have missed this. Another episode that really flew by, so much packed in there.

I didn't see it either. If its location is mentioned in here (only up to page 2 reading right now) I'll have to remember to look for it when I rewatch the episode.

[MFJayman]

I didn't see it either. If its location is mentioned in here (only up to page 2 reading right now) I'll have to remember to look for it when I rewatch the episode.


I think someone did mention it somewhere here, but the symbol appeared on the main screen right after the CEOs got hypnotized by the Black Adders, and later on the screens in the room where Mindbender was keeping the Twins.

[skinny]

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[Black Swan]

^^^
Nice !!!

[fireflyguy]

When the last ep of the season airs I'm going to end up going through withdrawal symptoms.



Fo'shizzle. I look forward to Renegades every week, and even in the weeks where we don't have an episode, I keep thinking to myself, "Just one more week to go, you can make it!" I really, really, really hope they bring back Renegades and make it similar to the story line they are creating now.

[MFJayman]

I really, really, really hope they bring back Renegades and make it similar to the story line they are creating now.


Yeah, I sincerely hope that the future cartoon gets the chance to pick up on the basic storyline where Renegades season 1 leaves off. A good foundation has been built. I think there are certain episodes that weren't necessary, but I guess that's true of any animated series.

So, what I really want to see survive into the future of the brand are the Renegades storyline and universe, and the designs (for both characters and vehicles). Now, by designs, I don't mean the art style itself, which I have been so-so about, neither loving it nor hating it. But as for the designs themselves—they seem easily translatable into different styles (just look at the toys!). Clem’s underlying design vision is fantastic (for the most part), IMO.

[oliverbox]

Oh noes...I hope Duran Duran is not going to do a cameo...Union of the Snake lol

I hope they DO make a cameo and play "A View to a Kill"... and this is the point at which Low-Light is introduced to the team. ;)

[GlasgowSmiles]

The amount of history and digging that went into the motivations for Red Star was amazing. Quoting a Prussian general on war strategy, his Marxist views of overthrowing the ruling class... And with the Baroness and Tunnel Rat making communist/historical references (b: "my family has ruled through the czars, communists, and the capitalists..." and tr's "may day" comment), I was really happy with this episode.


As a fellow history geek, I'm shocked (shocked!) at myself, because I totally missed the may day line. Though I enjoyed the rest.


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knew it sounded familiar...

Yeah, my family... kind of burst into the theme song.

Looks like the writers have seen OHMSS.

Ha ha, yes. I enjoyed that-- and I'm sure it was to the annoyance of the people I live with that I can't help but shout excitedly over film references in things...

Sounds like this Duke/SE/Scarlett issue might need a poll to see where people stand. SE/Scarlett, Duke/Scarlett, love triangle, or any of the above.

Oh man. I am firmly in the SE/Scarlet camp there. I mean, cute moment and all, but I couldn't really fully enjoy it... It felt kind of off to me, and that's probably just because my own 'shipping goggles are so firmly attuned in the other direction.

I hope they DO make a cameo and play "A View to a Kill"... and this is the point at which Low-Light is introduced to the team. ;)

"Girls on Film" when CG shows up in the flesh?

I just managed to refrain from making several other suggestions for Joes/most fitting Duran Duran song... I think one outs me as crazy enough, don't you?

[TheSerpentKing]

I loved the ep. The flight Pods and classic Cobra logo and the Twins getting some revenge was great. I'm very curious with what happens with the Twins later on. Hopefully we'll see some real Crimson Guards.

[Stygian]

Now if they could only bump up the release of some of the Renegades figures to coincide with the finale...

Amen!! The show will be on perm hiatus before we see a single figure which certainly DOES NOT take advantage of any momentum the show would have had in attracting young viewers of the show to the toy aisle.

I know when I was a youngster if I saw action figures on the shelve which directly coincided with a show I was already enjoying I'd beg my parents to buy them! As it is the show will be in reruns by the time the figures hit (ostensibly), but kids' interest may have wained by then and I see the whole thing as missed opportunity.

[VideoViper]

For those more familiar with Russian history than I am. How much did the Cisarnova/baroness backstory tie in with Baroness' Anastasia storyline. (loved it.)

Loved the update to the October Guard, wasn't especting to see them again

If I'm right several of the Joes of the week will show up in the finalie. (I hope)

[MFJayman]

Amen!! The show will be on perm hiatus before we see a single figure which certainly DOES NOT take advantage of any momentum the show would have had in attracting young viewers of the show to the toy aisle.

I know when I was a youngster if I saw action figures on the shelve which directly coincided with a show I was already enjoying I'd beg my parents to buy them! As it is the show will be in reruns by the time the figures hit (ostensibly), but kids' interest may have wained by then and I see the whole thing as missed opportunity.


I don’t know if this sort of thing would be feasibly, but my dream scenario would be if these things would be able to happen simultaneously, or in close succession: Airing of the Renegades Finale (in mid- or late-June), release of the first few Renegades figures, release of the DVD (with a special figure packaged inside? Could they?), and start of the reruns with a marathon or two.

[maczero]

True, she really has been doing most of Cobra's heavy lifting throughout the series, hasn't she. Cool to finally get a glimpse of where she's from as well, and to get some of her own personal and family history (namely, the whole Cisarnova vs. Red Star's people thing).I really appreciate they went with Cisarnova as Baroness's surname instead of DeCobray.
The amount of history and digging that went into the motivations for Red Star was amazing. Quoting a Prussian general on war strategy, his Marxist views of overthrowing the ruling class... And with the Baroness and Tunnel Rat making communist/historical references (b: "my family has ruled through the czars, communists, and the capitalists..." and tr's "may day" comment), I was really happy with this episode.Yeah, this ep really made me appreciate how smart this show can be at times.
frickin duke better watch it. snake eyes should slice his ass up for all the flirting he is doin with scarlett.Oh c'mon, we all know Snake-Eyes has a thing for Storm Shadow. Scarlet's just his beard.;)

Anyway, excellent episode. I'm really going to miss this show.

[RolandofGilead]

I absolutely loved this episode. I was smiling like a little boy every time a cobra pilot jumped to safety from an exploding flight pod. So old-school Sunbow it was great!

[RenHoek]

Tunnel Rat was funny, Red Star was cool, and the plot was good.