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For the people who hated the new G.I. Joe: RoC movie sign here!
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08-26-2009, 01:35 PM
babyjelly
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Beckley
Ok Doc, so you liked it but didn't love it, is that accurate?
The characterization was "mostly right"?
A few pages back, I said when I hear people defend ROC, they seem to say one of three things-
1. "I liked it but it could have been better." -Which is pretty much what you just said.
2. "It was great seeing Gi. Joe on the big screen!"
3. "My Kids loved it!" -which you didn't say, but you did say-"It was pitched as it should be to a 8-12 yr old age group." Very similar Doc, very similar!
Just one more thing, ROC was rated PG-13, so was the Dark Knight, which was based on a comic book.
I'm not saying as some have, that ROC should have been that dark, but with a PG-13 they could have been darker.
Now folks say- "what do you expect, ROC is based on a cartoon based on a toy, based on a comic, blah blah."
Batman had years of comics, toys, cartoons, etc. And yet The Dark Knight was a dark, scary, entertaining, $ making flick.
I liked it first time around. It was fun, light fun, but it was nice to see the characters in live action.
Second time around I have to say I felt like something was lacking.
The reasons you posted that you thought people said were fine, it was more the fact that you openly suggested that you didn't care to check the discussions from the people who liked it in the first place (though it's perhaps more obvious now that you did yourself an injustice saying that because clearly you are willing to share and discuss views).
To be honest there aren't many reasons beyond 'I liked it' or 'It was a good action flick' because it isn't good art, it isn't good drama, it isn't well acted, it lacks sophistication. But in saying all that it doesn't mean it's bad. Reason being when I went to see it I didn't expect a whole lot of those things.
Dark Knight is clearly in a different league - the source material is infinitely better for a start.
RoC is a fair representation of GI Joe, which has been fortunate to have some stand out issues in the comics. However the vast majority of criticisms against the film can be applied with more extreme examples in the comics or cartoons. There are sillier examples of plotting, design, dialogue in the comics.*
No doubt a far better, grittier movie could be made for us. Hell, even a better director of that script would have been better for us, but that's not what we got.
I still enjoyed it, I just don't think it was art. I'm an Action Force fanboy at heart anyway - Duke and Scarlett aren't 'my' team - Flint and Jaye are. A mixture of lacking the same emotional investment some of the ARAH fans have, and the lower and more realistic expectations I had, meant that the film wasn't a culture shock.
When I went to see Dark Knight, I expected a good action film with tense drama, great acting and some sophistication. It delivered mostly.
When I went to see GI Joe, I wnated some cool set pieces, melodrama, and something akin to the toys I used to play games with as a kid on the big screen. It delivered on that front, just not on anything higher...
*Jaye's death in 'Rise of the Red Shadows' is more dramatic, and has a greater emotional impact, than the Baroness scene in RoC - this is an example of a GI Joe story written for fans, and works really well. This was never going to be the case with a Sommers movie though. In saying that the main IDW title it pretty dull pulp stuff, whereas the Cobra miniseries is easily better than the main IDW story or RoC, but would never get past the execs at the studio who would greenlight a Joe movie.
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