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What secrets lurk in the filecards?
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08-13-2009, 12:54 AM
oliverbox
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Preaching to the Choir Troy. I agree Dart got short changed for sure. Now I wonder all the Joes who are listed as "recon" in some form would they be coming from the Rangers? I figure the Rangers do there own reconnaissance but the Rangers of today seem like more of a Light Infantry Direct Action Unit than the LRRPs of the Vietnam era.
When they Reformed the Rangers in Vietnam they took units from the 101st Airborne, 1st Air Calvary, 82nd, 173rd Airborne among others. I bet most of those guys came from their unit respective Reconnaissance Squadrons. A tradition that most of these units still maintain.
My question is if the Joes wanted the best Recon Guys money can buy, would they always come from the 75th? (Seems like the perfect job for Gung-Ho and Leatherneck) But only considering the Army guys like,
Dart
Spirit
Recoil
Sneak Peek (Ranger for sure)
Recondo (He could be from any unit although V2 has him from 7th Airmobile Assault so 1st Cavalry? I think this is the same Unit as Lt Col Harold Moore from We Were Soldiers)
Outback (The Army doesn't need Survivalists, so unless he's strickly a trainer he's got to be doing Recon)
Altitude
Starduster (Says he enlisted in the Airborne Ranger but which units really conduct Aerial Reconnaissance? His Secondary is Helicopter Assault)
Pathfinder?
Ambush?
I think it depends on the terrain. A lot of Units have Recon units because everybody needs real time/eyes-on Intel, and most of these recon guys go through similar training, often the very same training. Airborne, Ranger, and Pathfinder schools are usually all required for Recon work.
Marine Force Recon (Gung-Ho & Leatherneck) are some of the most competent recon units in the world... as they should be. They are trained to work in 5 man teams led by an NCO. They're excellent and Amphibious insertion and overland recon work. Marine Scout/Snipers are also trained in Recon. One of their primary functions is recon. Obviously there's a lot of overlap bwtween Force Recon and Scout/Snipers.
Navy SEALs are often tasked with amphibious recon missions and generally operate in 4 man teams. They are very good at these missions, though there is a bit of competition with Marine Force Recon.
The 75th Ranger Regiment has an excellent Recon element that is capable of performing recon missions in any environment. They operate as a traditional light Infantry Recon element in 6 man teams.
The 82nd, 173rd, 101st, 1st Cav, 25th, 10th, etc (conventional Division) recon elements are really comparable to a small Ranger detachment, even though they aren't officially called a "Ranger Detachment". All of their members are sent to the same training that the Ranger Regiment has access to (HALO, Scuba, Pathfinder, Ranger, Airborne, Air Assault, Mountaineering, Sniper, etc).
Special Forces A Teams are trained in Recon and, as one would expect, they're excellent at it. The 12 man team would split into two teams of 6 to be smaller and less noticeable.
If the Joes were choosing Recon experts for their team, it would make complete sense to look at the personnel files and performance reviews of troops for all the aforementioned units. There are incredibly competent recon operatives in all those units.
Obviously for amphibious missions, Marines and SEALs would make a lot of sense, but Rangers and Green Berets are perfectly capable in that environment... and as for Mountainous or desert terrain, Rangers and Green Berets make a lot of sense, but just try telling a Marine or a SEAL that they can't do something.
I guess it would make the most sense to select the best troops from all those units... but I do know that most Delta Force Operatives come out of the Ranger Regiment (about 60%).
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