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03-16-2009, 11:29 PM
Loose Cannon
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Guys, we're starting to veer into political territory, and that's neither the purpose of this thread nor allowed on the forum. (See forum rules,
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The USMC, in my mind, really have the notion of a self-contained joint capability force down pat. I guess that's part of the reason why they resisted officially joining USSOCOM for so long (while the Navy, the Army, and the Air Force dove into it two feet first). I think the USMC brass initially thought that USSOCOM compatibility didn't really offer them anything that they don't already have on their own. They already have long-range force projection abilities so they don't need to hook up with Air Force Special Operations Command, they've got some of the armed forces' best direct action and special reconnaissance assets with Force Recon, and their relationship with NAVSPECWARCOM pretty much covers whatever operational holes they might have when it comes to spec-ops requirements.
USSOCOM's relatively new Marine Corps Special Operations component (MARSOC) is going through some teething problems though. They've been out of the SOCOM loop for so long that their role isn't clearly defined. Right now, I think, MARSOC teams are just being assigned missions that would have normally been assigned to NAVSPECWARCOM's SEAL Teams, so there's a lot of grumbling about them being redundant and whatnot.
I still think that the USMC's Maritime Special Purpose Force is the best theoretical framework to hang a fictional but plausible GI Joe force structure on. An MSPF is basically a company-sized direct action unit with its own aircraft and intelligence assets, capable of operating independently for a limited amount of time. Think of it as a ranger or SF company, or a SEAL troop, but equipped with their own organic helicopters and C-130s (instead of having to "borrow" 160th SOAR, Air Force Special Ops, or Naval Aviation assets). To me, that sounds very much like a set-up that can accomodate the GI Joe team's fictional mix of ground and air combat elements.
Totally Agree. I've spent some time trying to breakdown how an MEU may correspond to a GIJoe equivalent since it would offer the most similar comparisons with vehicle mixture, Unit types and aircraft. This of course assumes that the joes are a 2000 man force when you add all the support personnel neccessary and Green Shirts.
Marine Expeditionary Unit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Maritime Special Purpose Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Maritime Special Purpose Force: What Force For What Purpose?
Still this leaves out the integral Airborne\Ranger part of GIJoe and Special Ops. What I think are equally important on the war on terror are the Green Berets, who go native and have the Language skills and the Delta Force who are your most highly refined, immensely trained, and most mature Special Operators. Unfortunately the way the Joe SEALs are represented they only get Scuba duty, yet their skills are similar to Delta. But almost all these SpecOps units do Close quarter training.
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