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What secrets lurk in the filecards?
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11-18-2008, 02:37 PM
oliverbox
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Oliver,
My response for your Marine Maybes:
Mace: reference to tripoli i think is more of a Hasbro copy editor trying to make the character sound cool. hence the reference to colordo. This could just as easily refernece the air force academy or being a police officer in colordo. Nothing in there to solidify Jarheadedness.
Bullhorn: Being an instructor at quantico doesn't necessarily make him a Marine. SEAL I believe have to do ranger school after BUDs and SF go to SEAL school to get their water training same with Marine Force recon...I might be wrong. So it is safe to say that a top rated instructor can get tapped to cadre at any base offering any type of course. At fort Sam Houston we shared some training lanes with the Air Force and there were air force cadres there.
Blast-off & Mirage: I totally ignore the Mega Marines personally. I view the line as an Epic Fail. I tend to mix the mutants with the rest of mindbender's experiments. I fell the same about Valor v Venom. I pick and choose the good parts (if any) for my Joeverse.
Mirage, I have used him as a marine in the past...but only because I wanted more marines. But nothing there really say he couldn't be if you wanted.
Blast-off: I have placed him with my firefighter unit...which doubles as a flamethrower unit attachable to my infantry company when applicable. I make him Army...same reason as Clutch was listed as mega marines but is army.
What you're saying seems to be that there is no conclusive statements in the file cards that proves that Bull Horn or Mace are Marines. I completely agree with you. If there were, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
However, when it comes to combined training, that does happen in certain circumstances. However, there are schools where that does not happen. For example, No body but SEALs teaches the BUDs school. Only Army Ranger teach at Ranger School. And only Marine Scout Snipers teach at the Marine Scout Sniper school at Quantico. If Bull Horn was an instructor there, then he's a Marine.
With Mace, it's certainly less clear. However, being born in Denver, Colorado is certainly not any evidence for membership in the Air Force, and the character certainly has nothing to do with the Air Force Academy: He's Enlisted! You might as well argue that he's with the Army because of Ft. Carson in Colorado Springs - except Ft. Carson has nothing to do with Intelligence or undercover work. The file card also makes no mention of any affiliation with the Police - he could have been Military Intelligence the whole time. "The shores of Tripoli" is a direct quote from the Marine Corps Hymn. No Policeman would use that. No Army soldier or Air Force personnel would use that phrase. And there are no Intelligence personnel from the Navy or Marine Corps in G.I. Joe... he seems to fill a needed role. That one line is all the evidence or indication of branch affiliation that we're given. It's not much; it's a little vague. But it's the best thing we've got.
If you choose to completely disregard the "Mega Marines" that's fine. I don't use that sub-team either. However, given the origin of both Mirage and Blast-off as members of that group, this is one of the few clues we have about their branch affiliation. If they were like Clutch, and just two old characters who got put into a sub-team for no good reason, I would completely agree with you. However, these two character debuted as part of the Mega Marines... that sub-team is tied to their origin and should not be ignored. It's not conclusive: Clutch offers very valid mitigating evidence. However, I just see Clutch as the exception rather than the rule, because of the name of the team - MEGA MARINES - and the fact that Gung-Ho is the leader.
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