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What secrets lurk in the filecards?
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08-13-2012, 11:29 PM
oliverbox
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
thegame68
A few years back, Oliver sent Hama a few questions by email. In one of his responses he said something to the effect of, "I imagine that most of the Joes would be Airborne and Ranger qualified." I've always taken that as license to add those qualifications to the Joes where it would make sense, but isn't specifically stated (Spearhead, Dusty, Hit&Run those type of guys). I don't have time to go back and find the page, but Oliver posted his emails and Hama's responses in this thread, but it was a long time ago.
Do you base their relative age on the years the figures were released or is there some other source that gives that info? I can't argue against your point of some sloppy writing in the file cards, but without some other piece of canon to go by, I'm tempted to stick with my original assumption.
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Originally Posted by
Loose Cannon
I don't think he's old at all. I think the JWTC is just a sloppy filecard reference. Muskrat has it too. No one but maybe the first 5 series of Joes maybe Vietnam vets. The one is Panama closed in 1999. As an E-4 he would barely have time to go through Q-courses. Don't get me wrong I like him as a Green Beret.
What Hama email are you referring to?
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Originally Posted by
thegame68
There is only one official file card for Wreckage and there isn't much background info to go on, but there is enough that I feel pretty comfortable making the following assumptions:
He is Army (per Oliver's observation that there is no evidence for another branch and his specialty works for Army)
Airborne qualified (based on Hama's email)
Ranger qualified (based on Hama's email)
He is one of the older Joes (per Tanksmasher the Army's JWTC changed it's name in 68, meaning Wreckage must have been there before the name change)
The following assumptions I'm also confident of, but I think there is less evidence for these in the original file card.
Special Forces (based on the fact that the card states he was part of the cadre at the Army's JWTC and the JWTC was run by Special Forces, however per Oliver Special Forces didn't take the JWTC over until 70-71 and we've got pretty good evidence that Wreckage was there before 68, maybe he was still there in 70-71 and the file card uses the pre-68 name for the JWTC because he started there pre-68?)
Vietnam vet (based off that fact that he may have been in Special Forces during the late 60's to early 70's, on this one I may be way out on a limb but if I have his age right, he's an expert in jungle warfare, and he is good with explosives/booby traps then he would seem to be a very useful soldier for the war in Vietnam)
Anybody have other thoughts on this?
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Originally Posted by
thegame68
I'm not finding info on anything current. The unit that used to be at the base in Panama was moved to Fort Sam Houston, but I can't imagine that they'd be able to do alot of jungle training in Texas. My guess would be one of the bases in the Pacific, but which one, I don't know.
I tend to also think that Wreckage is a younger guy. He was a recent addition to the team, one of the last truly new characters to join. I think the bit about JWTC is a filecard error. He could certainly have nearly any secondary MOS. Any MOS can try out for SF. However, if he was an 89 series, it is unlikely that he would have been Ranger qualified, but not impossible. More likely, 21B or something in the 21 series would allow him to train as a combat engineer, go to Ranger School, and possibly get to go through EOD training, but what's more likely is that he's "Sapper" qualified.
I figure Wreckage was Airborne, Sapper, and Ranger qualified when he applied for SF selection. Just my theory. I figure he came out of some hot conventional unit like 20th Combat Engineers at Ft. Bragg.
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