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01-06-2008, 03:19 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
Monkeywrench
What is your definition of the original RAH ranks. To me the FC is the original. They are more important than the comics and toons. Going by the FC logic, are arguments are right or as you stated facts.
I am going by the filecards, and the filecards state a middle rank enlisted equivalent for the Cobra Troopers and clearly state the Vipers as where all Cobra start, thus they are inherently lower than all other Cobra ranks(except machines), including the troopers.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
nacho
I don't think we've ever seen anything that states that a viper is lower than E-4 Equiv. (not sure how gunslingercbr came up with that, not a single Viper has ever had a rank designation on the filecard),
sure, I am simply projecting that onto the ranking structure, but the bottom of any military ranking structure is E1-E3, and Vipers are clearly the bottom of the Cobra ranking structure (and thus can logically be inferred as the equivalent of E1-E-3) and Hasbro was very deliberate in ranking the Cobra Troopers as higher than that, as E-4 equivalents. this is simply inference based on provided information, not something I am making up out of the blue to support my argument. not sure why this is confusing to you.
if it makes you feel better, ignore the ranks entirely. but you still can't ignore the fact that Vipers are defined as the bottom, thus inherently and undisputedly the lowest rank of Cobras except for BATs (and even defined so in the official Cobra ranking structure by Hasbro during the RAH run, thus lower than Cobra Troopers)so I am not sure what your argument is.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
nacho
and when E-4 Equiv was put on the original blue-shirt's file card, E-4 was the lowest ranking given to any Joe (and is still the lowest as far as I know). So I don't think that indicates the blue-shirts are higher-ranked than anyone at Cobra.
the Joes ranks are irrelevant to this argument, because they are a team of specialized soldiers, not a basic infantry division. just because Joes don't have any E1's through E3's doesn't mean Cobra wouldn't have the equivalent.
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nacho
I'm just reading the file cards, and it doesn't make sense that a 'superbly trained and formidably equipped' Viper would advance to become 'the most basic bottom-of-the-barrel soldiers in the Cobra regime.'
then don't adhere to the filecards, but because you don't like it doesn't make it so. I am sure Cobra doesn't have an endless flow of new recruits to stick on the basic infantry, so it does make sense that the soldiers you are putting on the front line to fight (and are the most expendable) would be trained and armored. you may not mourn their loss if you are Cobra, but you certainly want to keep them alive. and don't forget, if all Cobra start as Vipers, they take that training with them as well as they move up the ranks, so it isn't as if the higher ranks are trained less. common sense would dictate that as you are promoted and gain more training on top of the Viper training they would inherently be better trained than Vipers. Vipers aren't the most superbly trained, just that they are superbly trained, but that doesn't infer anything about the training about soldiers that are ranked higher.
like I said, create your own structure to adhere to your own vision and preference of Cobra, that is what toys are about. but this thread was asking about something absolute, and the history of G.I. Joe provides the absolute answer to it (unfortunately, there are two different answers, but they are answer nonetheless).
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