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09-10-2011, 09:16 AM
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1st I agree the SEALs probably overhyped, but I don't pay much attention to that. In a few years Delta may get all the hype. I think I mentioned Adm McRaven, But then there is also Adm McMullen, Adm Starvidis
I've never been in the military, and Oliver having served you have every right to defend your branch as you have earned it. I suppose Sgt. Humpty probably has a thing or two to say about ruck marches as well.
But I see it like this, and I suppose this is just how I imagine public perception tries to quantify the difference between the two. Combat Diving is an additional skill, whereas ruck marches are more or less a basic Infantry skill.
How much either Delta or ST6 does ruck marches is probably close to none. They get dropped in. Or they get the Rangers to do that for them.
Now if you add the fact that SAS guys probably do more Ruck marching, maybe that makes them the toughest, although I bet Green Berets probably do it even better than just about anyone. Take that same Green Beret and put him in through Combat Diving courses, HALO/HAHO, and then have him Join Delta....
...Well now you just have Snake-Eyes!
Well, I'm really not trying to make this into an Army vs. Navy thing... or a U.S. versus Britain thing. I have a tremendous ammount of respect for all the Special Operators in all the Branches, and the SBS/SAS/SRR are all amazing.
Delta's Long Walk IS one big ruck march - I'd say those guys are all pretty good at it, especially since something like 60% of them are coming from SF.
I feel like everyone thinks I'm saying "Navy SEALs Suck."
I'm NOT saying that. They're very tough, and they're very good at what they do... my only point is that their role is as specific as every other Special Operations Unit, and when the y try to do something outside their wheelhouse (like with the airfields in Panama), well, they're like fish out of water. This would be the same for any Special Operations Units. Delta couldn't perform Company or Battalion sized Infantry tasks as well as the Rangers. I see all of SF like surgical instruments designed for specific purposes. The right tool for the right job. I just see the Navy SEALs as constantly saying, "We're the best and we can do anything better than anyone else."
Combat diving/swimming is a real skill. SEALs are good at it; it's their bread & Butter. Delta and SF have combat divers... Army Special Forces has a whole 5 week Combat diver course in Florida that supposed to be REALLY tough. SEALs are also trained in LandNav.. certainly there is overlap. Both units are probably proficient in both areas. Heck, I bet there are some SEALs who are good at LandNav, and some Delta/SF guys who are really good divers... but in general, it's a matter of expertise. And a tactical ruck march can be just as difficult as a tactical dive.
I don't know enough about the SBS or the SAS to really compare them. I have a VERY good impression of these units, and I'm very impressed with the Paras and Royal Marines to begin with. Dalton Fury seemed very impressed with the SBS in his book, and he was much less impressed with the SEALs. I do think there's something to be said for the notion that the SBS is selecting from the very best of the Royal Marines to begin with... the RM's are TOUGH. On average, they're way tougher than our average Marines. A Royal Marine is much more comparable to an Airborne Ranger or a Recon Marine... they're supposed to be equal to the Paras. They're very elite... and only the very best of them go on to the SBS. That's saying something.
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