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09-08-2011, 12:52 PM
Tanksmasher
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I must say that this site hasn't had much to offer recently so I haven't been around for a while but it's good to hear you guys are still discussing old topics and exploring new material.
I think both Oliver and Blackrazor make some valid points about the SEALs. Personally I think it's difficult to measure a unit's superiority, especially when they have different mission objectives requiring different skill sets. But I will ask this: Why does the military consider ST6 and Delta or CAG (or whatever they call them now) to be Tier 1 units if they aren't equally valuable? It would seem that ST6 is a more valuable asset than a normal SEAL team because of their additional training in CQC and hostage rescue and because they select the best SEALs from the other SEAL teams, so although they may not be better at typical SCUBA operations or UDT than SEAL Team 1, as Oliver put it, they are better at doing what ST6 was designed for.
Perhaps they don't do a Long Walk to weed out applicants, but who's to say they don't have a Long Swim or equivalent physical selection process. All we can do is speculate since they don't publish the selection process. It would be interesting to see how well members from various units would fare in each other's training/weed out programs, but I can see where Blackrazor is coming from in saying that finishing a long ruck march shouldn't or isn't necessarily the final line that separates the men from the boys. Plus, even though in most cases a unit that practices some task more than others is usually more proficient, there may be some tasks, even hard task like long rucks, at which extra training doesn't necessarily make you more proficient. I, for example, constantly encounter pilots with far more flight hours and experience than myself, but they have years of bad habits or can't land worth a crap. In other words, higher quantity (of flying time, experience or training) doesn't always mean higher quality or greater proficiency.
Although I haven't experienced any of the training firsthand, I've read a good bit about BUD/S, Ranger School, PJ and SF training, and Haney's book on Delta, and am friends with some former Rangers, LRSU guys and a sniper--but in the end I'm always thoroughly astounded by BUD/S and what the SEALs endure. It gives you the chills to read some of the training stories, and these are stories coming from guys I don't consider braggarts.
Many guys from non-Navy branches have spoken very highly of the SEALs and even my brother who thought about volunteering when he was in the Navy said no way when he witnessed the training they had to go through.
But then again, you always get a few swollen heads in any unit who are proud of their unit and personal accomplishments and they get a little overconfident or cocky. All I'm saying is that although ST6 and Delta may not be equal in terms expertise of specific skill sets, they definitely deserve equal respect regarding professionalism, experience and downright badassery.
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