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What secrets lurk in the filecards?
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04-29-2011, 08:53 AM
zuludelta
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Quote:
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lardman
SS was still the master with the bow, but SE's skill surpassed that of SS with the sword
and
throwing dirk according to the Soft Master's recollection of his training in the SE Origin story in Marvel #26.
Ah, my bad.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
lardman
My assumption, and that shown in the comic afaict is really the latter case - we see SE and SS practising with a variety of weapons and we don't see much cloak and dagger training. I also seem to remember reading somewhere (wikipedia will do) that one of the greatest alleged ninja was actually a very skilled samurai - Hattori Hanzō, and that his clan were professional ninja, rather than quickly trained lower class spies and assassins (which is afaict the other interpretation of what the ninja/shinobi were.)
Hama's interpretation of what ninja were, if we base it on how he portrayed the Arashikage in the comics, does seem to be rooted in the notion that they were somewhat similar to the samurai in terms of certain skills (primarily in archery and swordsmanship) and even certain philosophies (some of the things Storm-Shadow says when he digresses philosophically seem like conflations of "cynical" Zen thought and passages from the Hagakure).
I do think that Hama's portrayal of ninja as being "samurai-ish" stems from the fact that his own martial arts training is rooted in the gendai budo versions of the classic "samurai arts" (as I'd posted a page or three ago, he stated in a 1998 interview that he grew up training in judo, iaido, and kyudo, which are the "non-militarized" versions of the samurai-era jujutsu, iaijutsu, and kyujutsu), and he was simply following the first rule of writing: Write what you know.
Of course, as blackrazor1 and I discussed several pages ago, nobody really knows for sure to what extent the historical ninja trained in certain skills, since all the facts available to us now as far as "authentic" pre-Edo Period ninjutsu is concerned are of dubious veracity. Personally, I think they probably differed very little from the "mainstream" koryu schools of their day (to mix metaphors a bit, there's only so many ways you can skin a cat and Occam's razor probably limited the variegation in sword techniques between the ninja and the samurai). But there's certainly room for all sorts of interpretations as to how SE's "ninja swordsmanship" skills compare with those of somebody trained in "samurai swordsmanship."
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